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“There are no secret flights” between Falklands and Brazil, says Ambassador Kent
There are no secret flights between Falklands and Brazil, and any landings which have occurred are because of medical or mechanical emergencies, said UK ambassador in Argentina Mark Kent, in fluent Spanish, currently visiting the province of Mendoza on official business and for the grape harvest and wine festival. Read full article
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Mar 04th, 2017 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +4There are no secret flights between Falklands and Brazil
they probably means there is, but its a secret...
I can assure you Argentine wine taste like piss
Mar 04th, 2017 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I don't think there would be much of a fuss about Malbec if it were not so very cheap.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1My friend used to hang out with him, I declined since foreigners don't have enough of a status to hang out with me... but from what my friend says, he is certainly an extremely rare exception of Anglo, some bizarre mutation one in 64 million or so...
Mar 04th, 2017 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -9He has a conscience apparently!
I can see why he left the UK now.
Don't be so racist Nostrils.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Anti-non-argentine, that's all.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -7All the cheap Malbec goes to the UK and Canada. All the more expensive one goes to the USA, Spain, Brazil, and Cordoba/Rosario/Buenos Aires.
You are a racist. As simple as that.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Do you have any evidence to back up your questionable claim about the Argentine Malbec markets?
It's simple, the British have the world's best wine producer next door, France. They can get high quality French wine at a lower price than almost anyone given distance, so it makes no sense for Argentina to try to compete on that market with the French. It can compete on the low end since vintages are mainly stable in Argentina so prices can be kept low through levering vintages.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Brazil is a market much more open to high end Argentine wine for geographic and cultural reasons, and the United States market is more open-minded of high end bottles since they drink California, French, and Italian high end, so Malbec high end has been penetrating that market. Spain is a combination of culture and the Argentines in Spain wanting to drink better bottles or high-end argie meat restaurants.
Buenos Aires and Cordoba is obvious as business centers and with lots of flights and tourists it needs a supply of good malbec for those with the budget and the Argentine upper middle and upper class will drink it too.
The UK is a cornered market at the high end by the French.
Nostrils, the UK is the biggest market in the world for Chilian wines. France has lost its Mojo in the UK. New Zealand Whites and Chilian reds are favourites. Argentina has a presence but it's small by comparison. English fizz is now being exported worldwide.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Have you taken your tablets, you sound almost sane!
I love that TTT thinks he has status.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Nostrils is simply making this all up.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +4In reality, Malbec competes only on price.
The only difference between higher priced Malbec and the rock bottom swill variety is marketing.
Restaurants seem to include Malbec on their wine lists to provide an entry-level price point for diners considering wine with dinner.
Even at entry-level pricing, there is still a good markup and profit margin with the Malbec.
Much is sold at discounted wholesale rates to corporate customers like restaurants and convention centres to use it as a “house wine”.
The public is being sold a bill of goods, nothing more.
The fad will end when they wake up with a consumer ripoff realization hangover.
Nostrils
Mar 04th, 2017 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Do you have any evidence?
Read this link below Nostrils and think carefully about both the dilemma it presents you and your original claim about the standard of Malbec that goes to the UK. You could always try arguing that the article is written by Anglos... ...until you realise it is written by Wines Argentina.
Do try to get over your racist hang-ups and look at the facts instead of making shit up.
;-))
http://www.winesofargentina.org/noticias/ver/2016/09/26/wofa-continua-posicionando-el-malbec-argentino-en-el-mundo/
No secret flights. All above board and without giving a sh1t to what the Argies think.
Mar 04th, 2017 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Enough of Nostrils' diversion.
Mar 05th, 2017 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse +5Any flights between Brazil and the Falklands, commercial or military, are concern for only the Brazilians, no one else.
“There are no secret flights” between Falklands and Brazil, says Ambassador Kent”
Mar 05th, 2017 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse +4There are no secrets flights, only normal charter, private and military category flights that have the agreement of the relevant countries. Nobody gives a toss what Argentina thinks or wants.
“Nobody gives a toss what Argentina thinks or wants”
Mar 05th, 2017 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse -9And then I am called the racist... the statement above is about as racist as one can get! :)
Speaking of racism
http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/crece-la-xenofobia-un-hombre-salvo-a-un-nene-de-un-incendio-en-gran-bretana-y-despues-lo-expulsaron
In the UK, you save a child from death and your reward is deportation. Lovely chaps.
As for Kanye's senseless babble, calling Malbec “swill” and a a “fad”, well then you must be the f- dumbest consumers on the planet no? Buying swill and all, that makes you British pretty darn retarded.
But it also makes the Americans retarded, and the Brazilians, and the Chinese, and Turks, and the Colombians, and the Germans, etc... How dumb can you all be.
Not only that, the “fad” has been going no since 2003 now with Malbec in the world international market. Either that is the longest “fad” in human history, or you all are the dumbest, thickest consumers in world history for buying swill for almost 2 decades now.... so which is it Kanye???
So easy to argue with Anglos.
AustrOllOpithecus seems to have a lot of chips on his shoulder - what more rubbish will be coming from his laptop?
Mar 05th, 2017 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse +6”And then I am called the racist... the statement above is about as racist as one can get! :)”
Mar 05th, 2017 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse +5You say what you like about other races, yet get upset when you read the truth about how the world regards you and your lot.
Typical thin skinned hypocritical Argentine.
First things first: I realise that all I've done on this thread so far is address Nostril's racism rather than discuss the flights to and from Brazil. The only MoD flights I am aware of using Brazil have been humanitarian or technical/ weather diversions. The routine flights between the Falklands and the U.K. don't route via Brazil.
Mar 05th, 2017 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse +5Nostrils
One of the reasons you get so flustered on here is that you attribute every individual, often irresponsible, remark that admittedly could be interpreted as anti-Argentine, to every single “Anglo” poster on here. You can't distinguish between individuals and you think that we're all supportive of every moronic post on here; we're not.
I don't mind Malbec
“Argentina doesn't matter...”
Mar 05th, 2017 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3How can that be “racist”?
By all accounts from the “Sage of Mendoza”, Argentina is an ethnic melting pot and multicultural cosmopolitan utopia of liberal thinking and tolerance.
Surely they do not represent just one race?
Malbec, the pride of Argentina if Nostrils is to be believed, is a success of marketing and market dumping by price.
Clearly, Nostrils believes their own hype.
The Argentines export it out of SA as nobody down there wants it.
On many levels, Nostrils is so easily bamboozled and manipulated to react.
My thoughts of these “secret flights” go back to the comedy in some areas of the press over USS Theodore Roosevelt having a port call in the UK a couple of years ago, which some of the anglphobe and listerine press were trying to claim was a secret.
Mar 05th, 2017 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +4It's a hundred kilotons of ship that's the height of the Olympic Stadium and a thousand feet long. It's parked just off the coast of a substantial city that is a major port, not to mention the 3,000 uniformed sailors who've spent the last few months on a dry ship.
Someone WILL notice.
Aircraft are smaller, but the principle is the same
My experience of many years of living and working in Spain, Colombia, El Salvador, Honduras and Ecuador is that Argentina and its citizens are regarded with disdain by the citizens of these countries. Their only worthwhile exports are their professional football players.
Mar 05th, 2017 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +6So does Argentina really matter? (Except, of course, to the Argentinos!!!)
So does Argentina really matter?
Mar 05th, 2017 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Nope .
The British are regarded with disdain all over Europe and in much of the world quite frankly.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse -6As for worthwhile exports, then I guess Argentina has one more worthwhile export than Britain. Certainly having talked to people in Asia and elsewhere they think highly of the products from Germany (any), France (wine, cosmetics, industrial equipement and trains), Italy (luxury goods, cars), Spain (olive oil, wine)... but no one could mention anything that comes out of Britain they would miss. Truth be told, like it or not.
English....
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0You wouldn't be posting without it....;-))))
The result of DENYING SELF-DETERMINATION to hundreds of societies around the world for 300 years, that is why. Ironic and so typically hypocritically Anglo, that Brittos spew out Jeremiads about “self-determination”, but the reason English is spoken in several nations in several continents is exactly because THEY DENIED SELF-DETERMINATION!!
Mar 06th, 2017 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse -6Anglos will be Anglos.
AustrOllOpithecus
Mar 06th, 2017 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse +4If Britain's products, as you aver, are not in demand can you please explain why Britain's economy at this time is considered to be the most successful in the world?
@Troll
Mar 06th, 2017 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse +4“ Certainly having talked to people in Asia and elsewhere”
What, foreigners who don't have enough status to hang out with you? I thought all non-argentines were evil people who are out to get you?
You should have met the British Ambassador if you had the chance. You might find out that people you meet in real life are different to those online.
Trollboy
Mar 06th, 2017 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse +5“The British are regarded with disdain all over Europe and in much of the world quite frankly.”
How would you know this with no personal experience of the outside world. You have hardly visited anywhere in your own country.
At least get your story consistent. You tell us that you hate all foreigners and now you have extensive contacts with people in Asia and elsewhere ?
When did this epiphany take place ?
You live your life second-hand on the web with NO experience of meeting “foreigners” or visiting their countries. You only take in opinions that agree with your twisted view of life.
“ the reason English is spoken in several nations in several continents is exactly because THEY DENIED SELF-DETERMINATION!! ”
A pretty stupid comment, even for YOU !
In India, English is taught everywhere. Why ? They are an Independent country and could ban it's use at the stroke of a pen. It's used in the field of commerce,art and law because it takes the place of various local languages and dialects.
Their top schools even teach Shakespeare.
In China, there is a rush of graduates and business people to learn and speak English.
China was never a British colony but they still choose to use English...NOT Spanish !
You belong to the Hepatia school of journalism...wishful thinking.
With the internet I can travel all over the world and get to know anyone in the world without ever leaving the district of my county. Everything I know from all the countries in the world is through image searches, newspaper articles from those countries, and discussion forums. That's all one needs.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse -7Just like you all have made your opinions about Argentina and Argentines based on the people in this forum.
As for economy, so what? Mendoza Province the economy GDP is up for 5 months in a row now, oil production is finally up, tourism is at an all time high in numbers, wine exports are now on the rise again 9% in 2016 (ww.diariouno.com.ar/mendoza/mendoza-exporto-mas-el-2016-pero-al-final-recaudo-menos-20161129-n1292466.html), construction up, and now care sales again up 50% after two bad years in 2015 and 2016
http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-el-primer-bimestre-crecio-49-la-venta-de-autos-0-km-en-mendoza
So across all economic sectors and for almost 6 months in a row now, the economic numbers are way up. So it can no longer be a fluke and most people agree there was sharp upturn in activity that could be felt starting around october of last year.
So what the UK economy does is really irrelevant for us.
Nostrils, have you given up your Brarsehole personna?
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4If you think that the internet tells you that, you are without doubt really really dumb!
Wow. How can you be happy to live your live vicariously through the internet? Experiencing things in real life is nothing like looking at a picture. I just got back from Finland and you can't ski on a website or drive a snowmobile, you can't try the food or step off the path and find yourself waist deep in a snowdrift. You can look at pictures of the northern lights but they are so different in real life, when you can see them covering half the sky above you and you don't know which way to look next because it's all changing so fast.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +6And I promise you if you came to Britain you'd have to really search to find anyone who hates Argentina. People on this website are NOT representative and I bet you are not the average teenager in Argentina either.
I am probably not Homo Sapiens, period. My noetic prowess is redoutable not only in this continent but most likely spanning several habitable star systems as well.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -8The only thing that's 'redoutable' about you is your ego.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Secret flights to Brazil. This would be in the same fantasy category as.....we are winning the war.....we have sunk the Invincible.......the Prime Minister agreed to discuss sovereignty......the people in the Falklands are held under military force.........they are all imported Brits.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Sheer fantasy, made up by an opposition frightened of progress to try to derail the inevitable.
AustrOllOpithecus
Mar 06th, 2017 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2What exactly are you attempting to tell us? I am afraid that your varied messages are very confusing.
Have you appeared here under another name?
Chopper is most certainly not genetically Homo Sapiens, he is apparently, based on his own statements, of Ucumar extraction with some admixture of Acrididae genes. As his statement makes clear, he thinks this article about “secret flights” has something to do with “flying saucers,” no doubt fueled by use of psychotropic substances of the street variety.
Mar 06th, 2017 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Are you refering to the common psylocibin rich mushroom that grows in BA pavements under dog poop?
Mar 06th, 2017 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will stop drinking Malbec in 25 years.
@TF
Mar 06th, 2017 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“I will stop drinking Malbec in 25 years.”
Heh heh... ;)
Stop buying cheap Malbec.
Mar 07th, 2017 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0What we drink here im Mendoza is the very best, scoring above 95 points. It is exported to the discerning customers who are willing to pay US$ 100 or more a bottle.
High-altitude Mendoza has attracted many notable foreign winemakers, such as Paul Hobbs, Michel Rolland, Herve Joyaux-Fabre, Roberto Cipresso and Alberto Antonini, and today, there are several Malbecs from the region scoring over 95 points in the Wine Spectator and Robert Parker's The Wine Advocate.
A typical busy day in the South Atlantic Airspace.
Mar 07th, 2017 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse +2‘Secret’ RAF Voyager is preparing for take-off from Rio de Janeiro–Galeão International Airport to Mount Pleasant Airport in the Falklands.
Pilot: Rio Clearance Delivery, Secret Nineteen Eighty Two for MPA Request Airways clearance.
Rio ATC: Secret Nineteen Eighty Two cleared to MPA as Flight Planned, Flight level Three Five Zero.
Pilot: Cleared as Flight Planned, Flight Level Three Five Zero, Secret Nineteen Eighty Two.
A few minutes later:
Pilot: Rio Tower, Secret Nineteen Eighty Two Ready.
Rio ATC: Secret Nineteen Eighty Two, Squawk One Eight Three Three, Cleared for Take-off, Caution watch out for Argentina.
Pilot: Squawk One Eight Three Three, WILCO, Cleared for Take-off, Secret Nineteen Eighty Two.
RIO ATC: Have a nice day Sir.
With the internet I can travel all over the world and get to know anyone in the world without ever leaving the district of my county
Mar 07th, 2017 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +4[ don't you mean your house ]??
The British are regarded with disdain all over Europe and in much of the world
and yet-
The United Kingdom is the world's 8th biggest tourist destination, with 36.115 million visiting in 2015. US$22.072 billion was spent in the UK by foreign tourists. VisitBritain data shows that the U.S. remains the most-valuable inbound market, with American visitors spending £2.1 billion in 2010
not bad for a country that no one likes,
It happenned this way: (it was published in arg press, Infonews, and in twitter)
Mar 07th, 2017 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Alicia Castro said on tv there had been secret flies.
Two lawmakers of the opposition (Cristina Alvarez and Carmona) repeatead the message in twitter.
The Uk ambassador replied: what flights, dont be paranoid or create conflictivity.
(sic).
The lawmakers said they had good information. (The obsevatorio Malvinas is working very well).
The UK ambassador continued: (in spanish always) “posverdad...verdad..reunamos..reunimos..”(confused writting).
The arg FO checked the information , and said those flights existed and asked Brazil to investigate.
We were perfectly correct in saying there were no secret flights. They were not a secret.
Mar 07th, 2017 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4A C-130 can be heard at least 10 km away and you can't hide a Voyager being almost 200 feet long with a wingspan not far short of this. Anyone near an airfield could see them.
If the RAF have permission to land in Brazil for refueling or in an emergency ...so what !
They could also be delivering military supplies/spare parts at the behest of the Brazilian Military.
Anyway, it is none of Argentina's business what a sovereign nation does with it's airspace..
I only commented how this began, it was a comment of worry about the increase of militarization of the region, unilaterally done by one of the parts in a zone declared in dispute by Onu and in a region of peace. Arg has the support of many countries and regions in what resolution 2065 establishes.
Mar 07th, 2017 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The 2 of january of 2017, has been the 184th year of the usurpation of Malvinas by UK.
Malen
Mar 07th, 2017 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +5You call it usurpation, we call it recovering our territory from a land grab by a bunch of murdering pirates.
Where is the “increase in militarization” of the region. The UK has reduced it's force levels to that which could defeat any future attempt at a repeat of 1982.
All the threats and rhetoric are coming from your side.
The Falklands garrison is no threat to mainland Argentina although you whine and pretend it is to any idiots who will listen.
malen
Mar 07th, 2017 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The Falklands archipelago is not, never has been and never will be Argentine territory, Not even within the time frame claimed be Hepatitis!
What arg and br does its no uks problem. Its none of Uks business what these sovereign nations do, as they are not violating humanitarian help.
Mar 07th, 2017 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And according to the approval of Uks militar budget (presupuesto) last year, there was an increment considering Malvinas. It was on the press. Not rethoric.
And treat well our lawmakers, they are just doing their job. They were talking to actual goverment authorities, not to your ambassador. He is new and perhaps doesnt understand well arg politics.
“What arg and br does its no uks problem.”
Mar 08th, 2017 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse +2Actually it appears that what UK and BR does is not your business. Mind you, I do not live in the UK or BR, any more than you live in BR or UK. So buzz off. ;)
Oh dear Malen. The UK is purchasing state of the art weaponry from Israel to replace the equipment that will shortly be decommissioned, and Argentina is doing what?
Mar 09th, 2017 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Malen
Mar 13th, 2017 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“The 2 of january of 2017, has been the 184th year of the usurpation of Malvinas by UK.”
To be more accurate, reclamation of sovereignty held since at least 1765.
B.A. on appointing Vernet as U.P's governor in the Island received a diplomatic protest from Great Britain, which they chose to ignore.
When UP sent the bunch of militia and convicts in 1832, B. A. again ignored Great Britain's protest.
The fact UP stuck it's head in the sand did not mean the Brits were not going to turn up.
On 23rd April 1982, the Argentine government was warned by the British Government that any Argentine forces deemed to be a threat to the task force, anywhere, were liable to be attacked.
As in 1829 and 1832, your government dismissed a British warning.
You have been bleating ever since that you couldn't forsee the Belgrano being sunk, that Britain broke the rules, yet aircraft of the 25th of May were planning to attack the Brits. Argentina was planning a pre-emptive strike, yet complain that during a war they were attacked by the UK!
It is always the same. Argentina/UP are allowed to ignore British diplomatic protests and warnings. UP/Argentina are allowed to do exactly as they wish, i.e. invade without warning yet are the first to start bleating when they receive a hiding off the Brits.
So the 1833 'usurpation' followed the UP's November 1832 usurpation of the Falklands which were claimed by Britain, a claim GB made quite clear to the UPs.
Everything was OK until 1832 as the settlers and Vernet received permission from Great Britain to be there.
Even in 1833, most of Vernet's South American settlers were allowed to stay by the British.
If usurpation means that Great Britain reclaimed territory it had a previous claim to, incidentally, without violence, what's the problem?
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