MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Seism in Brazil: Temer could soon be joining Rousseff at the removed ex presidents' club
Brazil's President Michel Temer faced calls for his removal Wednesday after a newspaper reported that he had been recorded discussing payments of hush money to a corrupt politician. Temer immediately denied the report in O Globo newspaper. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesEl Think's evaluation (and secret wishes to Santa) about esterday's developments...?
May 18th, 2017 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse -4Early Election and Lula President before Christmas...!
;-)))
Lula Presidente
May 18th, 2017 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse -4:-)))
May 18th, 2017 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse -4Seism in Brazil: https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/fila-de-delacoes.jpg?resize=580%2C416
May 18th, 2017 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The really amazing thing, and even funny, is to see peronist people publicly reproaching Mauricio Macri for being Argentina the first country to recognize Temer as brazilian president. Clearly M. Macri had no other option than pragmatically strengthen President Temer. It was a pragmatic necessity taking into account that Brazil is the destination of 40% of Argentina's exportations.
May 18th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Curiously, the Peronists forget to have supported, and had as political allies, two human rights violators such as Hugo Chavez and Maduro from Venezuela only by political affinity.
Of course, the Peronists never have a “good memory” to assume their responsibility for their actions. J. D. Peron personally decorated, and had as political allies, Gral. Francisco Franco, Gral. Augusto Pinochet, Gral. Alfredo Stroessneer, Nicolae Caucescu but peronists pretend to ignore these “old friends”
Brazil needs to weed out all the rotten politicians and business men who got into bed with them, regardless of parties or ideology...it's high time Brazil became serious...but the question is, after all have been kicked out and put in prison, who'll be left to take over ? But I don't discard the possiblity of all sorts of political games within Congress to smooth things over - and save their butts.....it's just the way things are done in Brazil.
May 18th, 2017 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Idiot Thinkvoice - ideological slave!
May 18th, 2017 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Corrupt Temer out - you love it.
Corrupt Lula out - you're outraged!
Corrupt Dilma out - not happy!
Cristina up on corruption charges - outright indignation!!
How's your ideological cronie and Chavist, Mr Maduro doing??
Isn't he a real champion of the people??
Not a peep from you, Old Man!!
What a dumbass ideologue you are!!
Enrique,
What's the matter, struck dumb?
Same thing goes for you, gusano.
@McStink the Chimp
May 18th, 2017 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Seems that news takes some time to reach the end of the world...anyway, allow me to fill you in : when Renan Calheiros was head of the Senate, and second in line for presidential succession, he was indicted by the STF for corruption....he will still have to present his defence and wait for the outcome, but at the time, due to concerns within Congress, the STF ruled that a defendant in a federal case of corruption - while in office - would be automatically excluded from the line of succession....
In the next 60 days, Lula will be convicted in the first of 5 (five) cases in which he is a defendant in federal court.....and if a defendant can't be in the line of succession, there's a good chance that jurisprudence will kill any plans for a convicted criminal to run for office...not to mention the “Lei da Ficha Limpa”...but if Lula insists on being president, it could always be arranged for him to run for president of the crime syndicate inside the prisons...
JB
May 18th, 2017 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lula would be a natural.
The GOOD News: Not ALL the crooks are POLITICIANS!
May 19th, 2017 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh, the news have this bad habit of getting on the way of our preconceived ideological positions, eh?
May 19th, 2017 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0President Temer has been caught red-handed, but refuses to bow out. He invokes the principle “one has the right to remain silent...” and “one is presumed to be innocent till proven guilty.” Good for him!
Meanwhile, judges tasked with proving that Dilma and Lula failed to pay for photocopies they made while in office (an indictable offence) are having a hard time to find proof. They say this small obstacle won't prevent them from convicting--after all, it's their own, intimate conviction that counts.
BUT, another crook WILL take his place: REF: https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/DAG8xkgVwAEuI54.jpg?resize=580%2C303
May 19th, 2017 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse +1Sr. Enrique Massot....
May 19th, 2017 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse -2In the eventuality of Lula being legally prevented to run in the upcoming Presidential election..., we'll still have la morocha Maria Osmarina Marina Silva Vaz de Lima[...
An excellent alternative..., i Think...;-)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Marina_Silva_em_Xapuri_02.jpg
@Reekie
May 19th, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Ohhh, the news have (HAS !!!) this bad habit of getting on (IN !) the way of our preconceived ideological positions, eh?“
Are you so thick as to believe all this has to do with ideology ? Lula and those who 'proudly'
call themselves left-wing, and wave red flags with the hammer and sickle on them, are no more communist than the pope.....they use the flag to attract people into thinking that leftist populism is the path to success and riches, conveniently ignoring that there is no such thing as a free lunch, and all the time are scheming how to get to power so that they can steal....their ideology is money. Talking of money, there's a youtube video circulating on the net, in which Dilma, at some conference or another, gives a speech titled ”what is the cause of corruption?“ ...well, after asking herself that, she plunges right into the answer, with both feet, and says ”there are many causes of corruption“, and goes on to say something no-one has ever thought of : ” the main cause, without a doubt, is money !“ well, well, well, who'd have thought it ? as if that weren't enough to show how her demented brain works, she carried on, ”why are people corrupt ? “, and she immediately answered if no-one knew the reason why.....”because everyone wants money”...
The audience couldn't help itself and broke into laughter, but Dilma, undaunted, carried on.
More like stand-up comedy.
The fact that you support such crap, says a lot about who you are.
“We will have”? Neither of you are Brazilian, what is with the we?
May 19th, 2017 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I don't understand is why you are so sure that Temer, accused of corruption, is guilty, but Lula, accused of corruption, is innocent. There at least seems to be good evidence that Rousseff and Temer accepted bribes for their joint campaign, and no reasonable person would say that one is guilty and not the other. (I do not consider Brazilian justice reasonable.)
By the way, does anyone here think that Temer is innocent?
YA KNOW...:
May 19th, 2017 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNASUR..., MERCOSUR..., ARGENTINA..., WE...
Like in the auld times...:
EU..., UK..., ENGELAND..., WE...
I don't think I would say 'we' for any politician or party belonging to another country. I may prefer one side or the other to win, but I don't have a vote and it's not my business. Maybe for the EU parliament I could have said 'we', but there were no real Europe-wide parties to vote for; that is one of the problems with it.
May 19th, 2017 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you believe Lula and Dilma did not take bribes to fund their campaigns? Or just that they did not take money for themselves?
@DT
May 19th, 2017 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answering your question “does anyone here think that Temer is innocent?”....As far as I'm concerned, the answer is no. Based on the principle that that about 99% of politicians are corrupt, what differentiates them, is to what degree.....while I believe Temer is not above suspicion, I still think that the recordings are far from conclusive.
You also make a good point, which is obvious in itself : to the 'lefties', why is Lula supposed to be innocent and Temer guilty ? without going into the merit of the actual evidence, proof or whatever, the fact that Lula was president for 8 years and controlled Dilma for another 6, and that he only barely escaped being impeached in 2007 after the 'mensalão' - the PT corruption scandal - put him in a very delicate position, and Temer was a merely decorative VP for 6 years, without wielding any real power, I'd say the opportunities for corruption were quite different....not to mention the findings of the “lavajato” investigation....
Currently, due to the fact that Dilma will probably be stripped of her political rights by the TSE (Supreme Electoral Court), and Temer might get off with a lesser punishment - or might even lose his mandate - the PT has insistently tried to convince everyone that the campaign funds received illegally for Dilma, were also used to promote Temer....the fact is that the PT only allowed Temer to become Dilma's VP because of the PMDB's promise to not support Lula's impeachment, so it is clear that they weren't the best of friends....there was no 'joint' campaign.....also, Temer hardly did any campaigning, if any at all, as here the candidate for VP has little bearing on the result.....and more, in the plea-bargains of the PB scandal, it has become clear that the PT and the PMDB did not mix up their funds received, legally, or illegally....so what applies to the goose is not necessarily applicable to the gander...
Even if Lula and Dilma had received money illegally, it would be unthinkable, especially in light of the last events, that their opposition is after corruption as they claim. Anyone who has eyes to see can be clear that corruption accusations is the method of choice to get rid of Dilma and prevent Lula from being a candidate again--hey, he would easily win it so the powers that be must prevent his participation.
May 20th, 2017 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1No, there was not moralizing attempt, as the many corruption cases being investigated today concern the same crying for justice against...corruption.
The judiciary has replaced the army and the tanks, while a complicit media carries out the proverbial tarring and feathering of convenient targets.
@Reekie
May 21st, 2017 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to Joesley Batista (JBS), in 2014, Lula and Dilma received US$ 150 million in bribe money, roughly 50/50 in 2 distinct secret (foreign) accounts....so, in your astute perception, there is absolutely no reason to go after Lula, other than to prevent him from running for president in 2018... .. and the accusations of corruption are unfounded and the federal cases against him are 100% politically motivated.....
Your comment “The judiciary has replaced the army and the tanks, while a complicit media carries out the proverbial tarring and feathering of convenient targets”...... is total bs...both the Judiciary and the press are targeting everyone that has been mentioned in the plea bargains, regardless of party or ideology....that is clear by the way the PGR (attorney general's office) and the STF (Supreme Court) are going after politicians of all parties, on corruption charges.....and the press is sparing no one...not even Temer.....the only difference is that Lula, the biggest crook of all, has decided to defend himself with the rather weak argument that he's being poitically persecuted.....no-one, except for the 'lulopetistas' - and the badly informed - believe such rubbish
@JB
May 21st, 2017 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume that Temer at least had some influence since he was able to become VP, even if he didn't have any formal powers. What is the job of the VP supposed to entail in Brazil?
It seems plenty of lesser people have been accused and convicted of corruption anyway.
I guess in future Brazilians may be a bit more concerned about who is selected as VP, and I doubt any party in future will be willing to do the same deal the PT did to let the leader(?) of a different party have the job.
But are you saying Temer did no campaigning at all, or that he campaigned separately to Dilma? Either seems odd, president and VP are supposed to be a 'package deal', aren't they?
@EM
About Rousseff's impeachment I agree. It's obvious they just wanted to get rid of her, and since pretty much every president has engaged in certain 'irregularities', it was easy to use that as a pretext. But the impeachment was carried out by Congress, not the judiciary. For the rest, they have been going after politicians from all parties, not just the PT, and even Temer is being accused, as we see in this article. For now Temer has more power to stop investigations than Lula, but this will not always be true.
My experience of the MPs expenses scandal in the UK was that almost all were involved, including members of every party. Since the corruption in Brazil appears to be nearly universal, I would be very surprised if the PT were not involved too.
REF: The Future AND Ex-Presidents & their Team: https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Politicos-recebendo-Propina-da-JBS.jpg?resize=580%2C418
May 21st, 2017 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:o))
May 21st, 2017 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a strange one... but at least you got some humour...
Zé Ramalho..., Ministro da Felicidade da Lula 2018 ;-)))
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwqoeKlaJQs
@DT
May 21st, 2017 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Much to the PT’s chagrin, Temer became VP on Dilma’s ticket in 2010, as a condition imposed back in 2007, to not support Lula’s impeachment. As PMDB leader, he used his influence - like all political leaders do - to get ‘their’ people appointed to key positions in government and State-run companies, for obvious reasons…power, which translates into wealth, either through official channels - legal campaign donations from the private sector, deviated to private accounts - or unofficially, by bribes received locally, through third-party, disguised as to not attract attention, or in supposedly ‘undetectable’ deposits abroad ; (ex: Lula’s triplex and the country home in Atibaia….documents pointing to exactly this have annexed to the process against Lula, the first of 5…for the time being….and JBS has just spilled the beans on US$ 150 million received abroad) ; what companies do we know, other than a few in the technology sector - such as Microsoft etc - that manage to become overnight successes , and expand in size more than 40 times in just 10 years (R$ 4 billion invoicing in 2006, to R$ 170 billion in 2016) ? the PT government was extremely generous with JBS, through the BNDES, in exchange for enormous bribes, in detriment of the population and the infrastructure.
The good thing is that the so-called ‘untouchables’ are being targeted, and if they are no longer immune to prosecution, neither are those under them who are essential for any corruption network to work without raising suspicions.
You suggest Brazilians might be more concerned in the future about who their VP is…I doubt it, the average Brazilian is not well-educated and has a short memory.
Temer’s campaigning was discrete compared to the PT’s, showing that the VP candidate - up to now - has not been a particularly relevant player in the elections. In most civilized countries, the 'package deal' probably works, but here , with 32 parties, not always.
THE FUTURE OF PRESIDENTE CAMISINHA. It's always good to see how even the sons of a bitch like Temer taste of their own medicine. It's pretty obvious that the same cretins who criticise the corruption cases that involve “populist governments”, aren't better than anybody, anyway there will always be morons who just blame the centre left politicians.
May 21st, 2017 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Future - If there is NO “Zero Tolerance” - [The BEST Case Scenario]:
May 22nd, 2017 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.otempo.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.1476790.1495410074!image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/main-charges-resize_620/image.JPG
@axel arg
May 22nd, 2017 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've missed the whole point...Temer never criticized or accused other politicians of corruption; the problem inherent to ALL governments - especially the 'populist' ones, as the name rightly defines their actions, is 'populism', or shortsighted policies, without any lasting effects - want an example ? the way the 'bolsa família' was administered...what longlasting effect did it had to ensure that the “people” who were “pulled out of poverty”, would survive the recession ? Had the PT, instead of spending tons of money on handouts, or even 'besides' spending money on handouts, built and equipped schools all over the country, I believe that now, 14 years later, we'd be seeing a vast improvement in the level of public education, giving people better conditions to ride out the recession....I place education as the single most important factor for progress, given that the lower social classes, who need it most, are those that have been hardest hit by the recesssion.
The recession in Brazil is not a result of the simple fact that most Brazilian politicians like to identify themselves as centre-left, which in itself is not a problem...the problem is their corrupt mindset and the fact that they are attracted to politics because of the corruption, plus the fact that on their list of priorities, they are first, their families second, their friends third, and finally, way at the bottom, the 'people'...When elected, Lula's high popularity, could have done good had he delivered on his promises - to reform the obsolete political structure, pension system, labour & tax laws. Had he applied the billions destined to the PAC1 and PAC2, instead of stealing, Brazil would have progressed, consistently...but he succumbed to the appeal of the rotten side of the 'system' and forgot about “the people”... the predictable recession took care of the rest.
How many politicians have missed the opportunity to do something great because of greed?
REF: The Removed EX-Presidents' Club: The Good News is that the club is getting worldwide fame, fortune, prestige [?] and the illustrious Brazilian Life-Members.
May 23rd, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack Bauer.
May 25th, 2017 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we have discussed about it in planty of opportunists, you know what i think about the corruption cases that involve even the governments that i vote, or support in ideological terms like Lula's, in fact, you also know what's what i really support exactly, that's why i'm not disposed to keep on wasting my time with people like you. On the other hand, don't lie to me, you don't give a shit about whether Lula is a corrupt or not, you are just using the false indignation in relation to corruption cases, like many other hipocrites do, including in Argentina, because actually what really bothers you, is what Lula did for all those people who have never been important to anybody, you are so dishonest that you can't even recognize that in your country there was a coup against a constitutional president, when a band of thieves took Dilma out from the government, you know that i have always been very critic of the cuts applied by her administration, but it doesn't mean that i will justify the parliamentary coup against her, especially because nobody could still show not even one proof which can signalize that she committed corruption. After the discussion that we had when Lula's wife died, i could see what kind of human being you are, and i really despise such miserable people like you.
@axel arg
May 25th, 2017 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor axel....still believes in Lula, and that my “indignation” is false.....well, well, well, you're bloody right that I don't give a shit about Lula, other than the SOB spending years in prison, and not for 'allegedly' helping the 'people', but for 'pretending' to help the people, while all along his only objective was to help himself - reason why he entered into all the spurious negotiations with the elite (whom he claimed to hate) - and to hang on to power to avoid being prosecuted....not that when he was president, Brazilian justice was anything to be proud of, but he must have been shocked when his house of cards came tumbling down, after he put the incompetent Dilma in charge...
You are a complete idiot, quite evident by the fact you keep on blabbing about a coup against a constitutional president....the same constitutional rules that elected the fat b*tch,
were used to get rid of her....not going into the 'why', because that is common knowledge and is now stale...
To be despised by an idiot like you, makes me feel good - it means my message is rocking your boat....tks, idiot !
The BOTTOM Line: https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/genildo-14.jpg?zoom=0.8999999761581421&resize=472%2C343
May 26th, 2017 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@:o))
May 26th, 2017 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fora todos”, é uma opção......mas quem vai apagar as luzes ?
“Fora todos” is an option......but who's going to turn out the lights ?
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