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Temer on the cliff fearful of more tapes. Lula and Rousseff accused of receiving US$ 150 million for campaigns

Sunday, May 21st 2017 - 12:08 UTC
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President Michel Temer faced new pressure to resign Friday, after Brazil’s supreme court said prosecutors are investigating him for obstruction of justice and corruption, and a government witness claimed his company paid US$1.5 million to Temer in bribes. A day after the release of surreptitious audio recordings in which Temer seemed to condone a criminal cover up in the “Car Wash” investigation, the court released testimony accusing him of soliciting illegal payments from meatpacking firm JBS. Read full article

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  • Enrique Massot

    Poetic justice at work.

    May 21st, 2017 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Poetic justice, and also proof that judges and the press are not only going after Lula and Dilma.

    May 21st, 2017 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Terence Hill

    May 12, 2017
    “Former President Lula has never been involved in electoral campaigns finance – directly or indirectly – neither in the ones he was a candidate, nor the in ones he was a supporter.
    Lula has always considered this issue to be the work of the party’s and the campaigns’ treasurers who must submit accounts to the Electoral Courts.
    …It is very obvious today that mentioning Lula’s name became a mandatory condition for defendants and even convicts to obtain favors from the prosecution in the scope of the aforementioned Operation. There is a formal investigation request filed with the Office of the Federal Attorney General based on accusations disseminated by the press.
    However, none of the informants brought forward any evidence of that which was said about Lula. All the references to him are related to alleged conversations with third parties, something they heard about or subjective conclusions.
    A decision on a criminal action must be based on evidence. And there is no evidence against Lula because he has always complied with the law.”

    Cristiano ZaninMartins and Valeska Teixeira Martins.
    http://www.averdadedelula.com.br/en/2017/05/12/lula-has-never-been-involved-in-campaign-finance/

    May 22nd, 2017 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Hepatia

    #ForaTemer

    https://twitter.com/BrasilWire/status/866379975556988934

    May 22nd, 2017 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Capt Rockhopper

    Od dear no surprises here , another south American president being accused of corruption.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TH
    Does this mean Lula is admitting that his campaign was funded with bribes? But he is putting the blame on his subordinates.

    Those businessmen who funded his campaign no doubt expected something in return, which the party treasurers would not be able to deliver. I think that if Lula really did not know where the money was coming from it was because he was very careful not to know.

    @Hepatia
    Looks like you may get your wish sooner rather than later. The accusations are starting to stick.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    “Does this mean Lula is admitting that his campaign was funded with bribes?” No! it means what was stated. “Lula has never been involved in electoral campaigns finance – directly or indirectly” Those that claim otherwise had better have something to substantiate it. After all they are convicted criminals who may simply be performing as scripted.
    His defence is plausible for those who have some familiarity with political campaigns.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    Dramatic & Action-Packed: https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/House-Of-Cards-Brazil.gif?zoom=0.8999999761581421&resize=564%2C564

    May 22nd, 2017 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    William Waak of TV Globo apologized for reporting that Joesley Batista had said he deposited bribes in accounts in the names of Dilma and Lula.
    “In reality, Joesley Batista said the accounts were in his name, but that the money was going to be utilized for Lula and Dilma's campaigns,” Waak said.
    It is estimated that the damages of the initial story would remain, as it had been widely reported by international media that would likely not publish the ensuing correction. (Let's see how MP does on this one).
    One more element showing the ways media outlets accomplices of powerful minorities work to erode the image of popular leaders.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @TH
    If the campaign finance was all legal then it would not be any kind of defence to say that Lula had no knowledge of it, instead he would just say that no crime was committed.

    It doesn't prove anything, of course, but it strongly implies that something illegal was going on.

    @EM
    Interesting, but I don't think the original story was published on MP. I only knew about it because JB repeated it in a comment, and I assume he saw it in the Brazilian media.

    For the last few days all the stories on here have been about Temer.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Mr.DemonTree...

    You say...:
    《“I don't think the original story was published on MP. ”》

    I say...:
    Nope..., as you can read below (or above if you so prefer)..., MercoPress “improved” on it by writing...:
    《“The court also put out new videotape accusations by the company’s chairman claiming former presidents Dilma Rousseff and Luiz Ignacio “Lula” da Silva each received tens of millions of dollars in dirty money from the company.”》

    May 22nd, 2017 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree
    If you’ve found an adequate replacement for the twin proofs of criminal law, actus reus and mens reas. Then you might be on to something.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Think

    TWIMC

    PenguinPress journalistic style...:
    “The court also put out new videotape accusations by the company’s owner and shady Tory Party donor..., David Rowland..., claiming former Prime Minister David Cameron and current Prime Minister Theresa May each received tens of millions of pounds in dirty money from the Falkland Islands Holding.”

    Sounds good................... huhhhh...?

    May 22nd, 2017 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Jack Bauer

    @Reekie
    Wlliam Waak of TV Globo apologized for reporting that Joesley Batista had said he deposited bribes in accounts in the names of Dilma and Lula.“

    Right, he apologised because the accounts are in Joesley's name, but the money deposited belongs to Dilma and Lula...quite normal in Brazil, use someone else's name to hide your assets... so, what's the difference ? does it make Lula a saint ?

    @DT
    Once again you have the ”lokal legend” defending Lula...he firmly believes that just because Lula said his subordinates are to blame, that's the way it is...During his interrogation with Judge Moro, he even went as far as saying that the 'triplex' in Guarujá was his wife's doing…that he knew nothing about her talks with OAS president to reform the flat for the family... and that he had no idea she had insisted the flat be ready, so that the family could spend Christmas 2014 there…..nice guy, this Lula shit.
    Funny thing, the 'lokal legend' believes everything Lula's lawyer, Zanin, says about Lula .....what d'you expect his lawyer to say about him ? that he's a crook ? how naive.
    The ‘legend’ even believes, as he stated in some other post, “The unit 164-A at Solaris Condominium has always been a property of OAS Empreendimentos, which has always acted as its owner. The company has even given the property and its receivables as security in financial transactions.”
    While no one has ever said the ‘triplex is in Lula’s name, everyone knows it was “reserved” for the toad…OAS, indeed, “acted” as the owner, only to preserve Lula from criminal prosecution….but it hasn’t worked out too well….even the OAS engineers, architect and its president, Leo Pinheiro (whom Lula had the nerve to refer to as a ‘simple broker’), has confirmed that the flat was reserved for him.
    But some are stupid enough to insist Lula is innocent of every charge, that he never stole a dime...tell me another.

    May 22nd, 2017 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • golfcronie

    Enrique, sounds as if the whole of Latin America is corrupt. Is that a fact?

    May 22nd, 2017 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer
    “everyone knows it was “reserved”* doesn’t cut-it. Unless there was an admission by Lula there is no case to answer. His defence’s claim that it a case of Lawfare to the UN because of the lack of any tangible evidence seems to be bearing fruit.
    “Leo Pinheiro (whom Lula had the nerve to refer to as a ‘simple broker’), has confirmed that the flat was reserved for him.”
    Who has no proof, and an absolutely valid self-serving reason to lie as he attempts to ingratiate himself with his captors.
    * Yours at the best is a claim of ‘hear say’ which is evidentiary barred in Brazil.

    May 23rd, 2017 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    Q: Is ANYBODY Playing Fair?
    A: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brazil-corruption-odyssey/article35045704/

    May 23rd, 2017 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Think
    I guess you're right, that is the same story. It doesn't mention anything about the accounts being in Dilma and Lula's names though, which is the part that wasn't true according to EM.

    Mercopress mostly publishes stories taken from other sources anyway, and obviously they are not translated by a native English speaker, so you have to make some allowances. Besides, Lord Ashcroft was the non-dom who donated millions to the Conservative party and was given a peerage with membership of the house of Lords in return.

    @JB
    It would be considerably more convincing if the accounts were in Lula and Dilma's names. If they are in Joesley's name then we only have his word about who the money is for.

    The problem with the car wash investigation is that the people who are accused or convicted can benefit themselves by accusing someone else. So I do agree with TH (or rather the people he quotes) that this evidence alone is not particularly reliable. Are there any documents that implicate Lula directly or is it all 'he said, she said' stuff?

    @:o))
    Good article. And they were only able to find one senator who isn't under suspicion! I thought this bit was especially interesting:

    “Mr. Alencar recalled having former president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva sitting at his kitchen table, after the third time he ran for the presidency and lost, and saying that he would only run again if he could line up significant resources – which meant corporate funding, a practice Mr. Alencar said he tried to talk him out of. Mr. da Silva raised vast sums of corporate cash, got elected the fourth time he ran, and made key political alliances”

    According to this guy who left the PT due to disillusionment, Lula was only able to get elected once he joined the 'system' and started taking money. I wonder if all the investigations will change this in the future?

    May 23rd, 2017 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    Let's assume that all the investigations & the operations are serious and are not Politically/Monetarily Motivated.

    In spite of that, for every scandal/crime exposed; it is quite possible that a major portion of them may remain permanently in the Total Darkness. REF:
    https://theintercept.com/series/malta-files/

    The Final Outcome of ALL the Investigations/Operations necessarily need to be: Not just keeping the crooks behind bars [in Five Star Prisons] but also make them return every stolen cent.

    As long as THAT does not happen, the investigations may skeptically be considered as farces.

    May 23rd, 2017 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    “It would be considerably more convincing if the accounts were in Lula and Dilma's names...”. Obviously...but, considering that the triplex was 'reserved' for Lula, that expensive improvements were made, as well as to the Atibaia home, all in accordance with Lula's late wife's smallest whims, is extremely significant...OAS most likely, never intended to transfer the triplex to Lula, but instead would use the name of one of Lula's 'wealthy' friends, who could then allege - as do the official owners of the Atibaia home - that they are only 'loaning' it to Lula.... It's a commonly used MO to hide assets, allowing plausible deniability by the ‘de-facto’ owner...how naive does one have to be to not see through this ? In the SBCampo high rise, Lula uses the only other flat on the floor, beside his, as an extension…it officially belongs to a friend of his….yet he could not produce rental receipts when requested...what does that suggest ?
    As to the 2 accounts Joesley opened, allegedly to deposit bribe money for Dilma and Lula, it'll be interesting to see the if the approximate dates of money transfers, as well as withdrawals, coincide with the exchange of favours to JBS and PT expenses in Brazil (elections ?)...Lula’s too smart to have the account in his name...in the same way that he has virtually 'nothing' in his name...strange isn't it ?
    The information collected from the “Lavajato” whistle-blowers' plea-bargains, is only validated if proof is presented to back it up, or if it leads to proof...the fact that they are spilling the beans - to save their butts - does not mean they are lying, because if they are, it will get them nowhere.
    As far as “Mr. Alencar 's“ comments go regarding ”former president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva sitting at his kitchen table, etc..” , they sound about right...
    Can't help it if Hill refuses to accept the docs, e-mails, letters, and bank statements apprehended by the Federal Police, as proof.

    May 23rd, 2017 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • :o))

    Hold On - more scandals ARE on the way:
    REF: https://i0.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/joesley-e-wesley.jpg?resize=443%2C420

    May 23rd, 2017 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer
    You may choose to believe your unsupported nonsense, I don’t as proof and truth are incompatiblties in your dark little world.
    “Take nothing on its looks; take everything on evidence. There's no better rule,” Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

    May 24th, 2017 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • :o))

    M. T. is NOT the only one who is hanging on the cliff: http://www.otempo.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.1477660.1495580894!image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/main-charges-resize_620/image.JPG

    May 24th, 2017 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Mr. high & mighty Hill
    Stick your head in the sand if want...that is, after you've pulled it out of your 'derrière'...just thought I'd use one of your favourite words...

    May 24th, 2017 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DUQUE’S PAPERS ONLY PROVE PROSECUTORS’ DESPERATION

    May 23, 2017
    Having no evidence to support the complaint against Lula regarding the three-story apartment, the prosecutors invest in offering advantages in the criminal proceeding to confessed defendants so that they try to produce factoids. The papers filed by Duque, who is trying to get a plea bargain, prove nothing. They prove neither that Lula is the owner of the three-story apartment, nor that he gained any undue advantage deriving from Petrobras’ contracts. Ultimately, they do not prove any of the charges brought by the Federal Attorney’s Office to the case. The papers only prove the prosecutors’ desperation, who now want to turn a photograph of Lula, and an alleged plane ticket, into evidence that he owned a property and that he gained undue advantages.

    Cristiano Zanin Martins

    May 25th, 2017 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    As if the “Panama Papers” were not enough; MALTA Files: REF: https://theintercept.com/2017/05/24/malta-files-veja-todos-os-nomes-relacionados-ao-brasil/

    May 25th, 2017 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
    “Joesley opened, ..to deposit bribe money

    ALLEGATIONS ABOUT LULA BASED ON ALLEGED THIRD PARTIES’ CONVERSATIONS

    May 19, 2017
    The very audio excerpts leaked to the big press give evidence that Joesley Batista’s allegations about Lula do not come from any contact with the former President, but from conversations that Batista allegedly had with third parties, which have not even been confirmed.

    The truth is that the lives of Lula and his family have been – unlawfully – scrutinized by the Operation Car Wash. All his secrecies – bank, tax, and accounting – were breached and no illegal amount was found, proving that Lula is innocent. His innocence has also been confirmed by the testimonies of over a hundred witnesses already heard under oath, who never confirmed any of the accusations against former President Lula.

    The reference to Lula’s name in this affair confirms the statements already made by the press, that the Federal Attorney’s Office only settles for plea bargains if they make reference – even superficially – to the former President’s name.

    Cristiano Zanin Martins and Roberto Teixeira

    :o)) Hmm! not sign of Lula there, but that’s no surprise.

    May 25th, 2017 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hej... Terence Hill...

    When you are finished chasing the obvious about Brasil... (that is..., no evidence whatsoever about Lula being corrupt..., besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system..., that is)

    You could begin chasing the obvious about Bolivia... (that is..., no evidence whatsoever about Evo being corrupt..., besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system..., that is)

    And then..., You could begin chasing the obvious about Ecuador... (that is..., no evidence whatsoever about Correa being corrupt..., besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system..., that is)

    And then..., You could begin chasing the obvious about Venezuela... (that is..., no evidence whatsoever about Chavez (RIP) being corrupt..., besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system..., that is)

    And then..., You could begin chasing the obvious about Argentina... (that is..., no evidence whatsoever about Cristina being corrupt..., besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system..., that is)

    Does your small Autistic eyes of yours begin to see a pattern...?

    May 25th, 2017 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
    I gather you couldn’t digest what was on your own plate. Namely, the refutation of your claim to the application Uti possidetis juris by Argentina. So you tend to what you’ve got wrong and don’t be issuing directives to others. Since nobodies died and made you God.

    May 25th, 2017 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol, harsh.

    Think, that “besides, of course playing with the insitutionalized rules of the political system” is a big but, especially in the case of Brazil where the whole damn thing is one massive ball of corruption.

    I don't know if your favourite leaders are any more corrupt than is usual for their respective countries, they may even be less corrupt personally, but the sort of government programs they support do allow more chances for corruption, and they don't seem to have done much about it, despite it being a big problem in many of these places.

    And my objection to Chavez was not about him enriching himself, but his gradual erosion of democracy and screwing up the economy in Venezuela, the disastrous results of which we are now seeing. It's easy to see resemblances to him in those other countries and leaders you mentioned, who all supported and praised Chavez and Maduro too until recently.

    May 25th, 2017 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @THick (as 2 short planks)
    “DUQUE’S PAPERS ONLY PROVE PROSECUTORS’ DESPERATION”...signed by the twat C. Zanin.....
    Now what the hell does Renato Duque have to do with the 'triplex'....absolutely NOTHING....reason why Duque's papers don't even mention it....Lula's connection to Duque had to do with PB corruption and destroying evidence referring to secret accounts...

    “ALLEGATIONS ABOUT LULA BASED ON ALLEGED THIRD PARTIES’ CONVERSATIONS”

    “Third-party conversations” ?????????...boy, are you THick !! Joesley's 'allegations', as you like to call them, comes from his testimony to the prosecutors....no third party conversations....the video is available on youtube for anyone to see....but of course, following the line of Zanin's, as well as your, pathetic, desperate reasoning, if it's against Lula, then it has to be a lie'....wonder where this idiot got his law degree ?

    @McStink
    Have to give it to you....you described Tinker Bell's rationale down to a 't', but it's unlikely any of it'll sink into his THick skull...all bone between the ears.

    @DT
    “And my objection to Chavez was not about him enriching himself, but his gradual erosion of democracy and screwing up the economy in Venezuela, the disastrous results of which we are now seeing.”

    You will find, as already have those who live in countries where corruption is the order of the day, that corruption goes hand in hand with leaders trying to enrich themmselves, and eventually, provokes total chaos (social unrest etc...)....if these 'wonderful' leaders, in THick's opinion, had not been corrupt, and/or had not allowed corruption to thrive under their noses - not mention when THEY are the supreme commanders of such filthy schemes - the outcome would be quite different.....In Chavez's case, how the hell would he have enriched himself without first resorting to undermining democracy....to gain absolute control of the institutions in order to eliminate the opposition? Think about it.

    May 25th, 2017 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
    May 24, 2017
    ..the informant Paulo Roberto, former Supply Director at Petrobras, spontaneously corrected the information about the Petrobras directors’ schedules regarding the former President’s participation, which because of the statements made by the Federal Attorney’s Office were disclosed by the press.
    ..According to Costa, there was a misinterpretation of the matter. He declared that since he was not close to the former President, as he acknowledged, he had no private meeting with Lula.
    Therefore, documents filed by the prosecutors – and disclosed by the media – do not contradict Lula’s testimony, which took place on May 10, when he declared “there is no specific meeting with a director of Petrobras”, besides the two situations he mentioned.
    Now, Pedro José Barusco, former Executive Service Manager at Petrobras, revealed that the spreadsheet which his plea bargain agreement was based on, and which guided the questions made by the Federal Attorney’s Office today, is a document that has been put together during the negotiation of his plea bargain agreement.
    He acknowledged that he does not recall the actions described in the spreadsheet and cannot guarantee that all of them happened, thus revealing the incoherent narrative developed by the Federal Attorney’s Office.
    Sadly, the judge of 13th Federal Court of Curitiba has once more used his authority position and prohibited even questions regarding the negotiations and plea bargains happening abroad with the participation of Petrobras and the Federal Attorney’s Office.

    Cristiano Zanin Martins

    May 25th, 2017 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @THicker (than 2 short planks)
    I don't know what you are trying to prove by the above bs, that 'so-and-so' did not meet with Lula on a specific day, or that he had no private meeting with Lula, but those are mere details which have no relevance to the fact that Lula got his cut in all PB contracts handed out to Odebrecht and other companies....
    Sadly, you are just as much a moron as that idiot Zanin....never seen such an incompetent lawyer....reason why you swallow his bs, hook, line and sinker....
    Give it up, numbnuts...you're pissing against the wind ; BTW, the toad is about to be indicted for the 6th time....

    May 25th, 2017 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
    “Lula got his cut..” the evidence of which remains unavailable. So you are left voicing only your discredited opinion without a modicum of proof. Therefor, living up to your well deserved epithet, and proving conclusively that your just an empty wind-bag. Not only proof less, but your argument is toothless.

    May 25th, 2017 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    One more chapter - Brazil’s International Bribery Scandal :
    https://pousta.com/the-chilean-connections-to-brazils-international-bribery-scandal/

    May 26th, 2017 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    @Thicker (than 2 short planks...
    “without a modicum of proof”....says Zanin, Lula's incompetent lawyer, and the 'lokal legend' the foremost legal expert in the world.....rather stupid but good for cheap entertainment. Nice to see them getting their knickers in a twist...

    May 26th, 2017 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
    Coming from one of the most dishonest persons who posts here says everything about your amoralism and hypocrisy.
    I take great pleasure from your words, and consider it a de facto endorsement considering the source,

    May 26th, 2017 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @THick
    Glad to see that I have ruffled your feathers....and by all means, keep on reading “averdadedelula” and worshipping the toad...whatta loser !

    May 26th, 2017 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof less & Truth less
    “ruffled your feathers” Hardly, it’s simply a ‘legal issue. Unlike, you I have no personal or political agenda. When it’s done I’ll find another one that’s interesting. Like the many others I have followed before this one.

    May 26th, 2017 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    People may spend incredible amounts of energy trying to sort out the trees in the forest, but you got to see the pattern here.

    Since the decolonization of Latin America, vote fraud (in Argentina was called patriotic fraud) and marginalization of the majorities kept the rains of power in the hands of the few extra wealthy.

    In the 20th century, military coups became the instrument of choice to achieve the same goals.

    In the 21st century, several progressive governments were democratically elected in several South American countries. Now, the wealthy oligarchs were in a bind. So they devised, in collaboration of conservative members of the judiciary and the big media, the “corruption” denunciation scheme.

    Timely denunciations and accusations widely covered by an accomplice media are difficult to debunk in the short term, therefore they meet the objectives of politically unseat the unwanted people, and replace them with more “traditional” parties. However, these “traditional” parties are too greedy and really, overly, corrupted, so they become vulnerable to the very devices they created in the first place.

    As I said before: poetic justice at work.

    May 27th, 2017 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @THick
    “Unlike, you I have no personal or political agenda.” .....You can claim this until the cows come home, but your relentless praise of Zanin's blunders and your senile worship of Lula, say differently.

    @Reekie
    “Now, the wealthy oligarchs were in a bind. So they devised, in collaboration of conservative members of the judiciary and the big media, the “corruption” denunciation scheme.”

    Of course Reekie, the corruption which is endemic to South America, is just a farce perpetrated by the 'elite', to get rid of geat statesmen, like Chavez, Maduro, Correa, Evo, CFK, Dilma, Lula....did I leave anyone out ?
    Funny thing though, in the case of Lula (and later, Dilma), they used the so-called elite, whom they are supposed to be the victims of, to enrich themselves...and were successful because they are all made of the same crap. Now the criminals allege they are innocent and that the mess is some one else's fault....typical.

    May 27th, 2017 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    #1: WHEN the “suspects” & “accused” will be proven - beyond ANY doubt - to be 100% guilty?
    #2: WHEN'll they be condemned to harsher sentences?
    #3: WHEN will they return the criminally acquired loot?
    #4: The Rest is a “farce”!

    May 28th, 2017 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    Talking of 'farces', Gilmar Mendes is turning out to be a big one....his 'political' stance is starting to become too obvious...

    May 28th, 2017 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF: The Farce: NONE of the politicians are really interested in the Investigations & the Operations.

    WHY should they?

    If not hundreds - THOUSANDS - are already under scrutiny, under suspicion or are accused or convicted or condemned or awaiting trials. A few of them are actually ENJOYING Luxurious imprisonments &/or Highly Privileged Treatments!

    Their Top-Most PRIORITY is to ESCAPE with all of the criminally acquired loot, AND NOTHING ELSE!

    The SADDEST part of it all, is that a Vast Ignorant Majority of the people STILL remains brainwashed into thinking that THEIR favorite candidate:
    1º: WILL improve the Living-Standards of The People
    2º: He/She REALLY IS A GREAT PATRIOT!!! :o))

    May 29th, 2017 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @:o))
    falou e disse !

    May 29th, 2017 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    Actually, the SADDEST part is that Brazil is destined to remain - ETERNALLY - as a 3rd World Country; in spite of great potential; the land has.

    May 30th, 2017 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    It's like that joke in which God is creating the world, and is speaking to one of his assistants, telling him how Brazil is going to be : big forests, big rivers, favourable climate, no earthquakes etc, and the asistant looks surprised and asks him if he's not being TOO generous....God replies, ' not really, just wait and see the people I'm going to put there'...

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