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Argentina honors Spanish fisherman who spied on the Task Force during the Falklands war
The Argentine embassy in Madrid honored a Spanish fisherman from Galicia, Fernando Otero, as a Malvinas Veteran for services accomplished during the 1982 Falklands war, spying on the British Task Force as she approached the South Atlantic. The event took place on Argentina's National Day, May 25th. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHat's off to the Argies for managing to create a mythical sovereignty grievance.
May 26th, 2017 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse +4Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina:
https://www.academia.edu/31111843/Falklands_Never_Belonged_to_Argentina
Bob you really need to go to university and make a more serious document. Its garbage.
May 26th, 2017 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -10LukeDig
May 26th, 2017 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You care to debunk any of the six points raised in the document?
Hey LukeDig, you were supposed to be finding me evidence that Britain forced Argentina to join in the Paraguayan war. Did you find anything yet?
May 26th, 2017 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“However another fishing vessel by the name of Narwal, which was involved in similar spying operations was not so lucky and was sunk by missiles with loss of lives and several crewmembers injured. The incident convinced the Usurbill and the Argentines that they should suspend operations.”
May 26th, 2017 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +6In other words, they chickened out when they realised there may be consequences for their actions, just like the Argentine Navy.
Brit Bob there is a document thats been posted here dozens of times, done by an Argentinian academic and presented to the UN where you are debunked as well as your colonial government strategy.
May 26th, 2017 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -10Demontree I gave you what you asked, you did not read it because it was written in spanish mostly. Mate, use an online traduction ir pay for one....
What a load of old tripe! A soul low grade 3rd engineer on a small fishing ship, secretly using the ships operating radios to file open air spying information on the activities on the Task Force, beggars belief even in the extreme.
May 26th, 2017 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +9How brave. Like the Argie navy after the Belgrano was sunk. Ran back to port and stayed moored up there for the rest of the war or “patrolling off the coast of Patagonia”. They must be so proud of themselves ;-D
May 26th, 2017 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +8Lukedig, the lying coward,
May 26th, 2017 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +5He daren't post his points of view or references in English, on an English-only forum, in case someone can read and understand he's full of tripe.
Ja ja ja (translate that, Luke)
@LukeDig
May 26th, 2017 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Do you mean this?
http://nomeolvidesorg.com.ar/wpress/?p=3147
I did look at the chapter headings but couldn't find anything about the war. And at the beginning it says it was supposed to be part of a series and the Paraguayan War would have been in the fourth book.
I also did a search for Paraguay, the only thing at all relevant was this:
”La obra persiguió sin tregua al pueblo y por eso fue posible la dominación financiera brasileña del Banco Mauá desde Caseros a la guerra del Paraguay ( que no es exactamente un imperialismo británico pese a las conexiones de Mauá con la Banca Rothschild )”
I'm not going to read an entire book written in a foreign language on the off-chance that there is something relevant in it. If it really does say what you claim, tell me which section and I will try to read it, or use google translate.
LukeDig giving the usual non-existing documentation.
May 27th, 2017 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse +2I gave you a link to part one of 800 pages written in Spanish, in which you will somewhere find what you are looking for - if it's there, that is.
Look pal, it´s a whole book full of letters from the Foreign Office, Lord Ponsonby, the as...hole Beresford, and other english “noblemen”.... I give you the link again. I cannot, will not, ever, translate a spanish book to english.
May 27th, 2017 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse -5I learned your damned language and read even shakespeare, you can learn damn spanish.
Here you have, take your pick, the brits corruption, influence and threats are very well detailed...
https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=i39pAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=cartas+foreign+office+sancho+panza&source=bl&ots=eVI3-T7Ih7&sig=RpoPt_mlLY4vvI1T87o7J_UtbVk&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizqOWDgo_UAhVCG5AKHTZIAXcQ6AEIQzAI#v=onepage&q=cartas%20foreign%20office%20sancho%20panza&f=false
So how, in your humble opinion LukeDig, does this book “debunk” BritBob?
May 27th, 2017 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse +4Exactly.
LukeDig, Vivo en Argentina y hablo y leo argentino-español.
May 27th, 2017 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse +3I live in Argentina and speak and read Argentinean-Spanish.
I have read a goodly part of the book “recommended” by LukeDig - it is NOT what he claims it to be. More Argentine crap!
May 27th, 2017 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse +5LukeDig
May 27th, 2017 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse +2Still waiting for you to debunk one of the points raised - UPJ, Nootka Sound, Treaty of Amity?
@LukeDig
May 27th, 2017 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse +2I didn't ask you to translate the book, I asked you to tell me which part is about the Paraguayan War. But you can't, because it's not about that war; it says in the title ”Historia argentina: Unitarios y federales (1826-1841)”, and the Paraguayan War started in 1864. So although there is lots of interesting stuff in there, it in no way proves you are right.
Aprendo Español, pero no puedo leer un libro entero.
I'm impressed you read Shakespeare though, that's hard even for native speakers.
@Roger Lorton
It wasn't supposed to debunk Brit Bob, he was replying to me.
@gordo1
It's not about the Paraguayan War, but the letters are real enough aren't they?
Thanks Demon Tree.
May 27th, 2017 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse +3“Brit Bob there is a document thats been posted here dozens of times, done by an Argentinian academic and presented to the UN where you are debunked as well as your colonial government strategy.”
So which document & which “academic” is that then?
@Roger Lorton
May 27th, 2017 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse +3Oh surely you can guess which one. Do you really want to up its google ranking further? They have posted the link enough times as it is.
Strange that the Argentines and apparently these Spanish didn't know that it is perfectly legal to shoot spies on sight.
May 27th, 2017 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse +5Of course the minute this happened they all bravely ran away for the nearest port.
The Kohen & Rodriquez comic? LOL Sorry, I thought LukeDig was making a serious point. My mistake :-)
May 27th, 2017 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse +2I don't know the exact identity of Korned Beef Kate, but did she get a medal too, for making the UK servicemen laugh all the way to the conflict in 1982?
May 27th, 2017 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2LEPRecon,
May 27th, 2017 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course the minute this happened they all bravely ran away for the nearest port.”
What were you expecting them to do? They were spies, not soldiers.
Of course, all the information gleaned buy the Spanish spy was useful to the Argentine cause - THEY WERE ROUNDLY DEFEATED BY THE BRITISH BRAVERY, GUILE, SKILLS AND PROFESSIONALISM!
May 28th, 2017 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse +3Tarquin Fin
May 28th, 2017 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse +4Strangely some spies will remain in a dangerous situation in order to do their duty to their respective countries...even if it means laying down their lives.
But what could we expect of these people? You are right, they did the correct thing by running away and hiding.
Just like the Argentine navy did. The difference is, of course, is that the fishermen where civilians and amateurs who didn't realise that they could be killed for spying (didn't the Argentines warn them about that possibility?), whereas the Argentine navy ran like cowards after the loss of only one ship.
The argies will do anything for a bit of PR but they run and hide from the ICJ.
May 28th, 2017 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@LEPRecon
May 28th, 2017 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The spying fishermen were Spanish, I wouldn't expect them to be willing to die for Argentina.
And the navy is not a democracy; the ships were ordered to return to port, probably by some commander who was in no danger himself either way.
It was the Argentine Navy High command that planned the whole Falklands Invasion, It was the Argentine Navy High Command that ordered the loss of the sea war. I was a technician that crippled the torpedoes of the ARA San Luis, or was it? Either way her attacks amount to nothing more than a few dents and loud clangs. What exactly would he have been reporting anyway?
May 29th, 2017 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Fernando, but Argentina was soundly defeated.
May 29th, 2017 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So you really didn't help much. But here's a medal because somehow the Argentinean government needs to try to make the Falkland's relevant to its foreign policy.
What next? Every person that spoke out against the war will get a medal..... then there is the possibility of their children being honoured when they die.
It's like a non-stop circus that has no results to show!
And I still haven't got anything useful out of Lukedig, I suppose this stuff about the Paraguayan war really was all made up.
May 29th, 2017 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
May 31st, 2017 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse -2Haha it's the 5 year anniversary of that comment weekend next (Queen's Birthday).
May 31st, 2017 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse +2I don't think any comment truly highlights how far Argentina is from their goal.
Argentina is stuck in a permanent Groundhog Day just like this comment. Never accepting that it is 2017!
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