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Malvinas Veterans acclaimed as they parade in Buenos Aires
Hundreds of Malvinas veterans were applauded and acclaimed as they marched through Buenos Aires on Friday May 27th as part of the May Revolution 207 anniversary commemorations. Veterans closed the traditional military parade along two kilometers, which this year assembled 6.000 troops from all branches plus an air pass of aircraft and helicopters. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhen you say “marching” - did you mean forwards or backwards?
May 29th, 2017 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse +3BUT.................they lost! Or are they applauded because they took “second” place?
May 29th, 2017 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse +4Weird!
They hid them for twenty years or so, now the Argentine Department of Historical Revision is revising historical events. Now they are finding obscure reasons to honour and celebrate their greatest defeat. In 50 Year it will be written that the Argentine did indeed win the war and that they allowed us to keep the islands.
May 29th, 2017 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse +7How significant that Mercopiss would include a photo of the banner for the argentine destroyer “Santísima Trinidad” which of course rolled over and sank at its pier for want of basic care and maintenance. Such is the nature of much of the country here today: a country of rotting scrap, ill-maintained, and poorly managed, ripe at any moment to roll over and sink.
May 29th, 2017 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Children love a parade.
May 29th, 2017 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Waiting for the clown with the painted face.
Hammer Blow
May 29th, 2017 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Welcome back! I have missed your comments.
Never seen a medal for “ marching backwards ” before, has it got a white ribbon hanging from it?
May 29th, 2017 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Hilarious comments...marching backwards ho ho is that what you call an orderly retreat or disorderly retreat...
May 29th, 2017 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Do you mean like Dunkirk...?
Would you like me to tell you how many 3/4 marches there are in my Scots Guards Piping Handbook....?
A 3/4 march is called a retreat...
Easy for non-combatants to take the piss....
Were you a “combatant” Voice?
May 29th, 2017 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RE Voice “Do you mean like Dunkirk...?”
May 30th, 2017 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse +4A: At least they were fighting against the Nazis, as opposed to Argentina's having supported them during and after the war.
They received no welcome home in 1982 so why are they celebrating now...............
May 30th, 2017 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse +6@teaberry2
May 30th, 2017 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +7A good point. The returning soldiers were vilified, spat at, jeered, their families attacked and made pariahs for years until it was useful to use them.
I once asked one of my friends in BsAs why they celebrate the war they lost rather than commemorate it as would be fitting. I explained in detail the difference but it was completely lost on her. Too many years of brainwashing I guess.
Voice, the regrouping that that took place at Dunkirk served its purpose because we won in the end and what did Argentina achieve?
May 30th, 2017 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +4@Voice
May 30th, 2017 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“Do you mean like Dunkirk...?”
Or Singapore early WW2?
Or Stanley 2nd April 1982?
What have these all got in common?
The Brits got hit for six at the start.
In 1945, who won?
In June 1982, who won?
Wars are like football matches, they are not won at the start of the game, but at the end.
This is why Argentina celebrates April 1982, but have a strange memory lapse about June 1982.......
@Captain Rockhopper
“In 50 Year it will be written that the Argentine did indeed win the war and that they allowed us to keep the islands”.
In 100 years time they will claim that the task force were renegade Argentines , who had a beef against Galteiri and yes that the Argentines actually won.
After all Pinedo's force were mainly British mercenaries, something the Argies don't mention very often.....
If you believe that an aircraft carrier was sunk and salvaged 5 times in 3 months anything is possible.
Because of Argentina's belief systems, and almost incomprehensible logic, in future, if the Argentinian football team scores in the first half, but loses 2-1 after 90 minutes to another country, that means Argentina will win the match.
Top Gear Patagonia was on yet again last night, just to remind us of the 20 year old veterans, and to see Ushuaia founded by the Brits.
ElaineB, we celebrate the war because it was the only time there was ever any actual progress regarding Malvinas. Nobody in Argentina would openly admit this, but we all believe that the war was right, and if we had a proper military with nukes (even if only as a deterrent), we would gladly do it again, after the UK leaves the islands forever.
May 31st, 2017 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse -7MM
May 31st, 2017 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse +4Tell us something we don't already know... and while you're at it tell us that the UK is militarising the South Atlantic and should leave at once because the Argentine Government only wants to use peaceful means to claim the Falkland Islands.
;-)
I meant to say until the UK leaves the islands forever, not after.
May 31st, 2017 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse -6MagnusMaster
May 31st, 2017 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse +4The UK is not present in the islands, nabo. Just as in Argentina you have citizens who DESCEND from Spain and Italy so the Falklands have descendants from Britain(and other nations). Your remark suggests that Spain and Italy should leave Argentina forever!
Re MagnusMonster: “...Nobody in Argentina would openly admit this, but we all believe that the war was right,...”
May 31st, 2017 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +4There seems to be a difference of opinion here [in Argentina]
“Si los argentinos, tantos civiles como militares hubieran creído que los británicos iban a la guerra no las hubieran ocupado. La guerra fue un error de cálculo, no hubo una determinación de llegar a ella.” (If the Argentines, civilians as well as military, had believed that the British would go to war, they [Argentina] would not have occupied the islands. The war was the result of a miscalculation, rather than a deliberation to go to war).
Of course, the wheezing armchair warriors who have never been in argie uniform can spout all manner of toothless bravado.
MM
May 31st, 2017 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Thanks for speaking your true feelings as an Argentine.
Voice
Thanks for speaking your true feelings as an Argentine.
What feelings....?
May 31st, 2017 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1gordo1, the islanders are not just of British descent, they are legally British, and the UK has a military base in Malvinas, so yes the UK IS present there
May 31st, 2017 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -5“It is sufficient to talk to any Buenos Aires cabdriver to understand that the Argentine people know that the Falkland Islands will not be “recovered” by Argentina. The only locals who appear not to understand this basic fact of life are a group of war veterans, a small bunch of nationalist fundamentalists, and practically the entire lot of Argentine politicians. Needless to say, however, in so doing the politicians are cheating and lying. The great majority of these politicians know that the Falklands will not be Argentine again, but they choose not to acknowledge this for fear of losing votes......The most important cost of this type of lie is the attempt to deceive the Argentines themselves. Because the Argentines already know intuitively that the Falklands will not be theirs again, this lie leads to an increase in the disillusionment of the Argentine people vis-à-vis a political class that is chronically dedicated to the ignoble art of lying.”
Jun 01st, 2017 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse +4Could not have explained that any better myself.
Marti Llazo -¡muy buenos días!
Jun 01st, 2017 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1Who actually made this statement?
gordito,
Jun 01st, 2017 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The statement was made by the prominent Argentine scholar, Dr. Carlos Escudé C., who is with the Argentine National Council of Scientific Research (CONICET). Escudé has written some interesting books on Argentina's foreign policy, including one that traces the country's self-destructive relationships with the UK.
Regarding the inability of Argentina to capture the Falklands, and its continued delusion on the matter, he goes on to say:
”Why then is this malign lie consistently repeated when the issue of the Falklands is debated? The answer would appear to be that, in Argentina, a perverse political dynamics is at work whereby professional politicians fear that to say the “painful” truth about the Falklands (i.e., that they will never again be Argentine) will make them lose votes to politicians who continue to engage in the fantasy that the Islands will be recovered. If politician A admits publicly that the Falklands will not be recovered, he or she will lose votes to politician B, who by continuing with the lie will succeed in reaping political profits from primitive popular emotions. The end result, of course, is to the detriment of the country itself. But when politicians consistently sell their souls to the popular vote, that is of little or no import.“
”“If policy was intelligent we could discuss agreements that could bring certain benefits to Argentina. What we have currently generates no benefit at all.”
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....
Jun 01st, 2017 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Anglo Turnip Martillazo showing respect for the 20 years old opinions of an average Argentinean professor....!
i must pay that back by showing respect for the current opinions of the leader of the UK's Labour party... and quite probably..., the new UK's Prime Minister in just a couple of weeks...:
《“Jeremy Corbyn wants power-sharing deal for Falkland Malvinas Islands
Labour leader tells Argentina he’s in favour of Northern Ireland-style deal...”》
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/jeremy-corbyn-power-sharing-deal-falkland-islands-argentina
Chuckle..., chuckle...
A Northern Ireland-style deal in the Falklands would mean all sections of the population would be involved in government. Not much chance of Argentina having much say there.
Jun 01st, 2017 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2It's curious the Argentine armed forces don't celebrate a war they won that ended thirty five years ago: the dirty war.
MagnusMaster - nabo!
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse +3So what about all the Argentines, born and bred, who abound in Spain, Italy and France with Spanish, Italian and French passports and nationalities. Passports issued thanks to these individuals having immigrant grandparents. There are also many third generation Anglo-Argentines with British passports.
Tinkle: “ Martillazo showing respect for the 20 years old opinions of an average Argentinean professor..”
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The rather distinguished and highly respected, as well as keenly observant argentine (not “argentinian,” something even the argentine government rejects) -- professor and author, with a PhD from Yale, just a few months ago, in 2016, but equally valid today:
” In the Latin American context, Chile is now a Class A rule-taker, while Argentina is a Class B rule-taker. The Macri administration will probably prevent further degradation, but Argentina’s former position in Latin America (not to say the world) will not be recovered in the foreseeable future.”
Nevertheless, that great mass of delusional argentines will continue to believe the absurd pap they were brought up with.
gordo1, there are Argentinians who have Spanish or Italian citizenship because those countries grant citizenship to grandchildren of inmigrants. It is totally different to the situation in Malvinas, where by law all islanders born there have UK citizenship.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -2MinusMaster, you seem to have won the non sequitur prize again.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse +1MagnusMaster
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1As you are “un nabo argentino” you clearly don't get the point! According to my argentine friends and acquaintances with dual, even triple, citizenships upon return to Argentina these are NOT respected and are ignored. Even more onerous, their current argentine passports must be surrenderd and they must apply for new ones. But, once they leave Argentina they PREFER to be citizens of other countries!
So their actual citizenship seems not to be worthwhile! I am also told that at birth children can only be registered with first names approved by the Argentine authorities.
gordo1, I don't see how that relates to your claim that the UK isn't present in Malvinas.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Magnus,
Jun 04th, 2017 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0“By law”, don't all persons born in the Falklands have Argentine citizenship?
MagnusMaster
Jun 04th, 2017 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0You claim the UK is present in the FALKLAND ISLANDS(the “herencia” may be!) - I am saying that many Argentine borne individuales try to hide their “herencia” by acquiring other nationalities. They seem to be ashamed of being Argentinos - and many are!
No Islander is ashamed of his “britishness”!
Voice
Jun 04th, 2017 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse +1You are being rather disingenuous here. The “retreat” in musical terms is playing the troops back to their barracks or the lowering of the flag in the evening as opposed to a bugle call on the battlefield telling the troops to scarper.
An ex- colleague of mine was a piper in the Argyll's at Stirling in the 1950's. He said they always came back to barracks to the Black Bear which I believe is 2/4 “march”
Kanye, yes all people born in Malvinas are entitled Argentine citizenship by law... but they have to ask for it. gordo1, most people in Argentina who emigrate to other countries are not ashamed of being Argentine, they are just looking for opportunities elsewhere.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Argentines have so much to be ashamed of, and are so detested by their neighbours, that they should pass themselves off as Bolivians.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@MagnusMaster
Jun 07th, 2017 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“gordo1, the islanders are not just of British descent, they are legally British, and the UK has a military base in Malvinas, so yes the UK IS present there”
The UK still have a military training presence in Belize. That does not mean they tell the Belize government what to do.
The UK have a military presence in Cyprus, Brunei, several Arab states, Afghanistan, and other locations around the world.
They are for defence purposes only, not to tell the countries they are in what to do.
The presence in the Falkland Islands is for deterrence only.
If Argentina were stupid enough to threaten the Falklands in the future, or get other countries to fight for them, you would see Apaches, more Typhoons, Tornadoes and in the future, Lightning 2s turn up. Plus serious numbers of troops and other defence related equipment being flown to the Islands.
Plus an increased naval presence, though some of that you won't see.
You seem to forget that other countries including Cuba and Venezuela have offered to help out Argentina with their forces.
So the UK has to keep a deterrent force there.
The blame for that lies with Galteiri in 1982.
One bitten, twice shy.
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