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HMS Clyde, protecting the Falklands for a decade
This year, 2017, is key for HMS Clyde as it marks her tenth year operating in the southern hemisphere as the Falkland Islands Patrol Vessel, having first arrived on September 21, 2007. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSailing in Argentinian waters?
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse +4Nah.
Falklands – Territorial Waters: https://www.academia.edu/10574593/Falklands_Islands_Territorial_Waters
Long may the continued support of HMS Clyde remain a defending feature of the Falkland Islanders right to exercise their self-determination. Great to see her back home.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +5piratical territorial waters
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -8pegado-en-1833: “piratical territorial waters” ?
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +4That makes no sense. Did you attend school in Argentina? Se nota.
TWIMC...
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -10《“HMS Clyde, protecting the Falklands for a decade”》... article says...
Well... Kelpers...
That could change in a jiffy..., if Jeremy is elected as Prime Minister of ALL you Brits...
Regardles of the result on the 8th... you should begin to THINK about the fatuity..., even dangerousness of those superlatives you soo much luuuuuuuv to use...as, for example...:
The UK will NEVER................
The Uk will ALWAYS................
No British pollitician could EVER.............
The spilled British blood will FOREVER ............
You damn bloody Argie Dagos will NEVER............
Etc..., etc..., etc..., etc..., etc..., etc..., etc..., etc..., etc............
Welcome to reality..., me dear Insular compatriots...;-)
Think - ¿Vos entendés el argot de Argentina?
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Uuuups...
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Just 10 minutes ago...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-poll-latest-theresa-may-approval-ratings-2017-drop-majority-leadership-survey-a7769361.html
Poor tinkle, forever the child of argie delusion.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +5TWIMC...
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Geeeeeeeeeee.....
Things are getting better for our Manchurian candidate by the minute...!
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/craig-mackinlay-charged-election-fraud-south-thanet-general-election-2015-nigel-farage-a7768761.html
Think- All to play for between now and close of ballot boxes on June 8th! But yes- if the commie creep wins - I reckon that within 5 years we who live here and whose families have lived here for 180 years will indeed be simply told:
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Accept full Foreign Argentinian rule and have your standards of life,freedom of choice, and health and old age standards etc decreased DOWN the the Argentine level
Or - get out and go somewhere else with all your belongings and the remains of your family ancestors - if another country will take you.
I doubt if many of us would want to go the country whose Govt sold us down the river for a few pesos!
But you must realise you would inherit an empty land - nothing standing (other than the Arg Cemetery), nothing alive other than the wildlife- no people- no buildings- no roads -no ports - airports -everything would be removed or flattened and levelled-leaving NOTHING.
You and Corbyn could then congratulate each other - on what?
A good ship in need of a good sister!
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Philippe
Mr. Islander1...
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You are using superlatives again (and overdramatizing quite a bit)...
In the eventuality of a more receptive British Government... the condition for the Kelpers would be at the central stage of any negotiation and..., to be frank..., I Think you would be shamelessly overpampered by both..., the Argentinean and the British government...
But please...., stop enticing this auld trekker with such a tempting offer of handing back our Islands in pristine conditions..., free of bloody sheep..., life threathening roads and quite ugly buildings...
This is exactly why anyone who says the Falklands have already been decolonised is simply wrong.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islander1, I don't believe either the rest of the Labour party or the British public would let Corbyn do what you suggest, and it says in their manifesto:
“We will always stand up for the rights, interests and self-determination of Britain’s overseas territories and their citizens, whether protecting the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands against anyone who would seek to challenge it, or supporting the right of the Chagos islanders to return to their homelands.”
Corbyn wouldn't have a chance of convincing his party that the Falklands should be offloaded. His colleagues think he's a liability already; goodness knows how they'd cope with him if Labour managed to win.
Jun 02nd, 2017 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Islander1
That was a bit bloody dramatic wasn't it? I'm sure, at leasst for most of us, the reality would be quite different from the one you painted.
Yes read the Labour Manifest - but - there is a lot- an awfull lot in there that is totally against what Corbyn and his close mates say and believe in. It was written to keep the main group of Labour candidates on side - and also to present to the public a picture of nice good guys.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse +4My bet is if he won- and I agree thankfully unlikely he will - he as the man in charge will start re-writing a lot of it. His attitude to us is and has been crystal clear for years.
Think/voice is desperate to peddle his doubt before the election
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse +3England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse -3Think? The Russian owned Independent? Seriously?
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse +4There remains hope that the British people are not stupid enough to put terrorist-loving Corbyn into No.10, but you NEVER can tell.
Still, if he does get in the Lobby will have to raise its game. Gone through a few changes this last 12 months which should help. Young blood and all that.
The UK's Labour Party is not behind Corbyn on the issue of the Falklands which is still largely considered as 'domestic' policy rather than a foreign policy issue. That because of the emotional attachments. 35 years is simply not long enough to forget Argentina's perfidious invasion.
So I feel confident still, that I can say to you Think, that the Falkland Islands will NEVER be part of Argentina.
Mr. Lorton...
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Firstly..., the latest good news from the UK... just minutes old...:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/812636/general-election-poll-model-theresa-may-conservatives-majority-labour-jeremy-corbyn
Secondly..., I can see that you have come a loong way since we first met and you are now checking what and who's behind your information sources... No more Reverend Moon's from you..., I hope... Ideed..., The Russian oligarch owned Independent.... The same Independent that strongly backed the last Conservative/Lib Dem coalition...
Thirdly..., you remain confident that the Falkland Islands will NEVER be part of Argentina..., so you say...
Those superlatives AGAIN..., laddie...
Anyhow... that's easy enough to say for an Ex-Pat Pom living safely and enjoying his otium with a local mamacita in a South-East Asian military dictatorship challenged only by a brewing Muslim insurgency, Shinawatra & Co and a couple of other nimieties...;-)
But I don't Think them Kelpers are sooo sure about the Engrish as you wish them to be...
Think- you are deluded if you think Islanders would ever be prepared to accept any form of “pampering” as you suggest from Argentina should we be forced to accept a change of Sovereignty by a Corbyn Govt in UK. We would simply leave our homeland rather than accept handouts and be beholden to your Casa Rosada.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +3No doubt Arg could throw some pesos Corbyn,s way as a sweetner - he would need them anyway as he would probably have UK bankrupt within 5 yrs if he won.
Mr. Islander1...
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Firstly..., as the above comment from Island resident Jo Bloggs clearly states...:
《“Islander1
That was a bit bloody dramatic wasn't it? I'm sure, at least for most of us, the reality would be quite different from the one you painted.”》
Secondly...:
I do believe that what you are telling me is is what you feel just now... A feeling that you share with the rest of that little group of Falklandists in them windblown Islands...
A feeling that quite possibly will drive some of you to simply leave your homesteads rather than accept handouts and be beholden to the Casa Rosada....
Thirdly..., just take it easy lad... and stop threatening to destroy Crown Property...
Already that is a misdemeanour...
Ask any Pom lawyer...
If by some miracle Labour won..they still would not have the kind of majority to do anything drastic, there would still be the Cons, Libs, SNP, Greens etc to convince...
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Islander1 is worrying about nothing...
In the unlikely event that Labour won, Corbyn's views are not the party's. Even if Think really, really, really wants them to be.
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Make way for the young ones..., mouldy old men...:-)))
Jun 03rd, 2017 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/two-thirds-young-people-vote-icm-poll-general-election-hope-not-hate-national-union-of-teachers-a7771431.html
Botswana will return Mongolia within 25 years.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse +1Watch my lips Think - NEVER
Jun 04th, 2017 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not certain what my over-wintering in Thailand has to do with anything. Winter being anything under 18C. Can't grow bananas easily in the UK and besides, the grandchildren like me around. Living safely in a Dictatorship? LOL
:-)
“Nearly two thirds of young people say they are “absolutely certain” to vote in the general election.”
Jun 04th, 2017 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse +3What people SAY they'll do has surprisingly little bearing on what they actually do. But at least they can stop complaining that there's no point voting when it will clearly make a massive difference this time.
Still, despite all the fuss in the press (and from Think), not one poll has put Labour ahead of the Conservatives. We're heading for either a Tory majority or a hung parliament, with the Tories still the biggest party. I won't lie and say a Corbyn government would be good for the Falklands, but even with a majority he'd have a hard time convincing parliament to agree to hand them over, let alone without one.
Think- Corbyn always has been a communist leftfacist leaning pacifist - and remains so. The party manifesto was not written by him! It was written by slightly more sensible Labout MPs in the hope that they can try and divert the voters thoughts away from the reality of Corbyn and his close associates- for now - and Corbyn had to accept it for now.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Hopefully enough people will see through it in the end before voting and UK will get a reasonable and sensible Govt instead.
Actually the Crown owns only a very very small part of the islands, most is privately owned and a part of the land owned by FI Govt - not UK Govt - so should it happen UK would not have a say in what was or was not done. You see we have moved one from being a Colony - Yes I know you and Argentina want to drive us backwards into becoming a Colony of Argentina- sorry - it aint going to happen. You would get an empty desolate land and bugger all else.
Mr. Roger Lorton
Jun 04th, 2017 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You say...:
“Watch my lips Think - NEVER”
I say...:
I Think the correct Engrish expression is...: “Read my lips”... laddie...
Now... Where does that Anglo expression come from in the first place...? (Think, google, google...)
Ohhhhhh.... yeahhh.... President Bush's (Im)famous...: 《“READ MY LIPS: NO NEW TAXES”》
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no_new_taxes
And the result was...?...:
No new taxes but... ALL THE EXISTING ONES WENT STEEPLY UP... ;-)
Were you saying something..., Roger...?
How do you “read” lips?
Jun 04th, 2017 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2And if it came from Bush, then it ain't English.
:-)
Poor old Think.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Right, I'm off to look at some whales at Cape Pembroke; they've been putting on a great show for us all this week.
There's an admission fee on the gate:
Tourists: £2
Locals: £1
No Argentine pesos accepted.
That's just the way it is.
@Jo Bloggs
Jun 04th, 2017 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I've never seen attractions in Britain charge tourists more, or anywhere else in Europe either. Must be a South American thing.
@Islander1
“UK will get a reasonable and sensible Govt instead.”
Now you're just asking for the impossible!
What did Argentina do to make you hate them THAT much?
DT
Jun 04th, 2017 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2We don't do it in general either and there is no gate charge to get to Cape Pembroke; I was just having some fun.
Demon Tree- Mercopress only allow me just under 2000 words to describe my hatred for Argentine Govts and what they stand for over many years - could not fit it in!
Jun 04th, 2017 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Differentiate though between Arg Govt - and Arg People - they have just been educationally forcefed a twisted ideology and belief, - some are good - some are reasonable - only a few are unpleasant.
Heh. I suppose you do tend to attract the crazy ones. I met plenty of tourists from Argentina in Italy and they all seemed fine.
Jun 04th, 2017 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Read my lips... ”
Jun 05th, 2017 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse +1An expression used long before Bush heard it in a bar.
Might not have remembered it quite accurately, either.
Watch my lips was around long before Bush muddled it up. Try Google :-)
Jun 05th, 2017 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse +1Think
Jun 06th, 2017 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It depends on what Google entry you wish to use to back up your claim.
Here is one that contradicts what you affirm.....
http://quotes.yourdictionary.com/author/david-blunkett/2084
Geeeeeee...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse -1Read my lips..., Turnips..:
Of course Bush was not the first ever to say...:“Read my lips”...
As Kennedy wasn't the first person ever to say...: “Ich bin ein Berliner”...
And Clinton was certainly not the first man ever to say...: “I did not have sex with that woman”...
Now... to today's good news for the UK, Euope and the rest oc us...:
https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/
Chuckle...chuckle...
HMS Clyde is in her twilight protecting the Falklands, she is due to be replaced by one of the new Batch 2 River class.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Geeeeeeeeeeeeee.....
Jun 06th, 2017 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse -1I wonder how long it will take for them Engrish todo the maths... and begin to THINK about how many cells of nasty Fedaykins could be stopped from slaughtering Engrish people... for the cost of one new Batch 2 River Class Vessel patrolling the South Atlantic fisheries... for the benefit of some Kelper Squidllonaires...?
You could bother to fact check before you reply Think!
Jun 06th, 2017 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are mistaking “Fedayeen” with “Fedaykin”!
Fedayeen is derived from the Arabic term Fedayi “Those who sacrifice themselves”, it has been adopted by various Islamic militant groups over the years.
Fedaykin is a made up name from the Frank Herbert book Dune, it is the name of Maud'dibs bodyguard. The word is derived from the Arabic word Fedayeen.
I am a huge fan of Frank Herberts Dune and have used the name “Fedaykin” as my handle on many forums for nearly twenty years.
So why don't you apologise for your nasty little comment there!
Fantasy Universe Keybord Warrior Turnip just above...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I always “check me facts” before replying...:
《“Fedaykin – /fᵻˈdaɪkᵻn/[”Death commandos; historically: a group formed and pledged to give their lives to right a wrong. In Dune, they are personally trained by, and fiercely loyal to, Xxxx Xxxxxxxx. The term is derived from the Arabic Fedayeen.”》
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Dune_terminology
Bastards Salman Abedy, Youssef Zaghba, Khuram Shazad Butt, Rachid Redouane fit perfecty that definition..., don't you Think...?
I clearly stated in my comment that it is derived from the Arabic term Fedayeen Think. I am also aware that they called themselves Maud'dibs Death Commandos in the book. It is indeed a Fantasy Universe, one that I deeply enjoy!
Jun 06th, 2017 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will not change my long established Science Fiction based handle because in recent years there has been a massive growth in Islamic terrorism.
Associating my comment about the service life of HMS Clyde with Islamic terror and your vile associating of me with the recent terrorists who caused such slaughter upon my country is beyond reprehensible! It is nasty and mean spirited by somebody who is the very definition of a keyboard warrior.
I have reported you, I only hope that you will reconsider and properly apologise for the offence!
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Jun 06th, 2017 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I have been reported by a Fantasy Universe Keybord Warrior Turnip Troll...!
Bye bye love... Bye bye happiness..., hello loneliness... I think I'm-a gonna cry-y...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LRyrWN-fftE
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Whatever Mr Corbyn may think or say, it is not Labour Party policy to do anything other than support the right to self-determination of all peoples, including Falkland Islanders. Labour Party policy is made at conference , not by the leader.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Fedaykin,
Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I too, enjoyed Dune.
Thinkvoice is a classic sociopath, craving attention, addicted to one-upmanship, and stereotypically breaking into hackneyed verse and song.
His mission is to sow doubt and to offend.
Appealing to his 'better instincts' is therefore, a waste of time.
He's not worth responding to.
They don't fit the definition Think, because they weren't trying to right a wrong, they're fighting to replace a wrong with an even bigger evil.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Also they weren't personally trained by anyone, nor fiercely loyal to anything. They are fools recruited by people above them, who used a bad means to try to achieve a worse end.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1That's OUR opinion..., laddie
In THEIR opinion..., I Think they are “trying to right a wrong”..., as most extremists in thiss World do...
Maybe so. There's a lot of deluded people on this planet. I'm glad you said 'our opinion' though; from what you've said before I wasn't sure you agreed with me.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only on the first paragraph...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1On the second one... you sound just like Captain Mainwaring and his “ Nation of Automatons”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0V3SqxUomwk
Hmmm, given what they are doing it seems pretty fair to compare ISIS to less-competent Nazis. They thought they were trying to right a wrong in the beginning too.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Concentrate on Mainwaring...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Can't you see he is dancing Tango with the German...?
No I can't, cause “this video is blocked in your country on copyright grounds”. >:(
Jun 06th, 2017 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try ths one...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u_oSDSPEEdw
Same thing. Does this show the same scene? It's got your favourite list in.
Jun 06th, 2017 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhY-Y0I8DkY
Also Hitler did look like Charlie Chaplin.
Charlie was muuuuch better...!
Jun 06th, 2017 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -1:)
Jun 06th, 2017 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is 'dancing tango' some kind of euphemism? Or is the tango itself some kind of euphemism? ;)
Both...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1To carry on using an offensive handle that you know is linked to terrorists is ridiculous...
Jun 06th, 2017 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Would you use the handle Bin Laden because there was a period when he wasn't a terrorist...
Grow up... the handle is derived from the Arabic Fedayeen...
You deserve all you get...
Report yourself next time for being an idiot...
;-)))
Jun 06th, 2017 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think/voice
Jun 06th, 2017 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like calling oneself a Gaucho - linked to Patagonian genocide.
I'd never heard of the Fedayeen, so it shouldn't be a big problem to use Fedaykin. What are people named Isis supposed to do? And speaking of Bin Laden, you might think it would be a problem to have a name similar to 'Osama', no?
Jun 06th, 2017 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Kanye
Is calling oneself a cowboy considered offensive these days? They are linked to the genocide of North American Indians aren't they?
@Voice/think
Jun 07th, 2017 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nonsense! There is nothing offensive about the handle I use, the only time it has ever been commented on up to this point is by fellow fans of Dune. It is an in joke, I also use the handle Zardoz when I can't use Fedaykin.
No I wouldn't use the handle Bin Laden because it would be offensive him being a generally reviled extremist leader. It would be no different to using Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot at as a handle.
The Fedaykin are a faction in a fictional universe, the derivation from Fedayeen was intentional by Frank Herbert and he also uses other Arabic derived words in the story. When Herbert wrote the book modern day Islamic extremism was in the distant future.
The only idiot I see is someone who get mental kicks of insulting somebody in such a vile way when they were purely commenting about the service life of a military vessel.
Demon/voice/Think,
Jun 07th, 2017 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would think it has as much relevance as naming oneself as a fictional entity in a sci-if novel, n'est pas??
Fantasy Universe Keybord Warrior Turnip Troll with “Special Sensibilities”... aka Fedaykin...
Jun 07th, 2017 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say...:
《“ , I also use the handle ZARDOZ when I can't use Fedaykin.”》
I say...:
ZARDOZ....huhhhhhhhh?
Well... that explains your “Special Sensibilities”
- Herewith a five years old comment of mine about ZARDOZ...:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/30/wikileaks-assange-declines-to-comply-police-order-and-remains-at-ecuadorean-embassy/comments#comment141911
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Ha ha,
Jun 07th, 2017 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - the self referencing authority on trolling.
It doesn't get more fantastic than that.
Geeeeeeee...
Jun 07th, 2017 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -1- I wonder if the new Engrish ZARDOZ (aka Fedaykin looks anything as pansyfantasitastic as his Scottish predecessor... ;-)))
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0912/ask-yourself-bad-day-sean-connery-demotivational-poster-1259989143.jpg
He could get a costume and take a picture for us: http://carboncostume.com/zed-from-zardoz/
Jun 07th, 2017 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Go on Fedaykin! For great lulz :)
;-)))
Jun 07th, 2017 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Jun 07th, 2017 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I prefer dressing up as Arthur Frayn...
Anyway this nonsense is a distraction, how about we talk about all the new military vessels that Argentina have inducted recently. Not second hand Polish ones or poorly refurbished vessels that have barely been to sea in decades.
The UK has the luxury of being able to replace a very capable ten year old vessel with an even better new one and get some money back from selling on HMS Clyde to a friendly nation, I wonder of Chile needs a decent OPV built for the South Atlantic, I hear they share a land border with a nation that illegally coverts their sovereign territory!
TWIMC
Jun 07th, 2017 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Do I look like one that wants to talk weaponry with a Brutish Fantasy Universe Keybord Warrior Turnip Troll with “Special Sensibilities” calling himself Fedaykin...?
@Fedaykin
Jun 07th, 2017 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If second hand, 10 year old vessels are good enough for Chile, why aren't they good enough for Argentina?
And if the UK can afford luxuries like replacing a 10 year old vessel, why can't we afford to employ the same number of police we had 10 years ago so we can combat terrorism (and other crime) better, or employ enough prison guards to prevent riots, or give the NHS enough money so that they can treat people within a reasonable time frame?
Or..., as I wrote earlier...:
Jun 07th, 2017 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1................................................. “I wonder how long will it take for them Engrish to do the maths... and begin to THINK about how many cells of nasty Fedaykins could be stopped from slaughtering Engrish people... for the cost of one new Batch 2 River Class Vessel patrolling the South Atlantic fisheries... for the benefit of some Kelper Squidllonaires...?”
DemonTree
Jun 07th, 2017 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You know why...
The UK is a confrontational belligerent nation that doesn't know the meaning of compromise, it punches well and beyond its own weight and cannot afford not to be in a position to defend and patrol its many dependencies...
Did I say dependencies...I meant liabilities...
@Think/Voice
Jun 07th, 2017 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1A gish gallop of vile insults to say that you won't discuss the embarrassment that is the Argentine armed forces. Big man I am really impressed!
“ it punches well and beyond its own weight” - that is a compliment you numpty!
“ cannot afford not to be in a position to defend and patrol its many dependencies...”
How many Argentine vessels are at sea at the moment? How many days submergence time has any of Argentinas submarines had so far this year?
“Did I say dependencies...I meant liabilities...”
An opinion however strongly held s not a fact.
@Demontree
Different budgets, also the Terms of Business Agreement with BAE Systems. TOBA requires the yards to be kept busy, this is a good thing.
Voice, our politicians *definitely* know the meaning of compromise, they are just highly selective on who they are willing to compromise with. I suppose the military power is part of what allows them to do that.
Jun 07th, 2017 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -1There have been lots of cuts to the military since 2008, but if the 10 year old ship is still serviceable enough to be sold to another country, why does it need replacing? Seems like this would have been a good area for cutting, we can't afford luxuries anywhere.
The other issue is the Nato 2% spending target, which they will no doubt be even keener to stick to after Brexit and Trump, despite being even less able to afford it. Very cheering...
Fedaykin
Jun 07th, 2017 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Think/Voice...? Which is it Think or Voice...?
Punching above one's own weight is not a compliment...
“Engage in an activity or contest perceived as being beyond one's abilities.”
“Competing against someone who you are no match for.”
It is beyond the UK's abilities...that is why they have so much debt...
As DemonTree mentioned they are very selective with whom they engage...
China...give them Hong Kong...
Russia let them do as they wish...
America...Kiss ass...
Need I go on...?
Stick to dressing up as Sci-Fi characters...
Your responses lead me to believe that you are well and truly punching above your own weight here...(Is that a compliment...I don't think so...)
@Fedaykin
Jun 07th, 2017 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the same government who decides how much is in each budget, sounds like they are not doing a very good job. Why exactly do the yards need to be kept busy?
@Voice
“Punch above one's weight”
From wiktionary:
“To achieve or perform at a higher level than would be expected based on one's preparation, attributes, rank, or past accomplishments.”
From Cambridge English Dictionary:
“If a country or business punches above its weight, it becomes involved in, or succeeds in, an activity that needs more power, money, etc. than it seems to have:
Singapore punches above its weight in the world economy.”
I have never heard it used as anything other than a compliment.
Investing in the military is a strategy with advantages and disadvantages like any other, it seems you think there are more of the latter?
Also I disagree with you about Russia. Putin evidently thinks he is powerful enough to be treated that way, but I don't believe our government agrees. IMO it's one of the reasons the Russian media is so anti-British.
Mr Voice....
Jun 07th, 2017 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Allow me to finish your good work...
”China..., give them Hong Kong...
Russia ...,let them do as they wish...
America...Kiss ass...
Argentina ... let's nuke them Dagos
For Empire, King & Country and... ermmm... human rights...
Need we go on...?
;-)
Think/voice - Putin-troll, laughably feigns indignation and denounces the U.K. for being selective and not meeting an 'obligation' of engaging in every single global conflict, whether they may lose or not.
Jun 07th, 2017 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds a lot like Nostrils NeanderTroll who demands the UK be 'fair' and intervene whenever a third world country , friendly or hostile, feels they've been slighted or short-changed.
Such entitlement, such petulance.
@DemonTree
Jun 07th, 2017 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There have been lots of cuts to the military since 2008, but if the 10 year old ship is still serviceable enough to be sold to another country, why does it need replacing? Seems like this would have been a good area for cutting, we can't afford luxuries anywhere.”
It is indeed very serviceable and could operate for many more years but the Royal Navy doesn't want to operate nine different OPV in three different sub classes. Current Royal Navy OPV fleet is four, three Batch 1 River and one River stretch with a helicopter pad for Falkland guard. Due to TOBA with BAE Systems the Royal navy is getting five new OPV all in a single class standard.
“It's the same government who decides how much is in each budget, sounds like they are not doing a very good job. Why exactly do the yards need to be kept busy?”
Because if they were not kept busy the United Kingdom would no-longer have the ability to construct complex warships a sovereign capability. To that end a deal was signed with BAE Systems to keep work going through their yard in Glasgow. The Batch 2 River class are a stop gap solution between the end of Type 45 build and the start of Type 26, it was the only type that the yard could quickly put into production.
“I have never heard it used as anything other than a compliment.”
then your command of the English language is not very good, punching above ones weight is a term derived from boxing and seen as a colloquial compliment within the UK.
“Investing in the military is a strategy with advantages and disadvantages like any other, it seems you think there are more of the latter?”
I think investing in the military and the associated industrial base is a good idea.
“Also I disagree with you about Russia. Putin evidently thinks he is powerful enough to be treated that way, but I don't believe our government agrees. IMO it's one of the reasons the Russian media is so anti-British.” Never mentioned Russia
@Fedaykin
Jun 07th, 2017 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I was replying to two different people in my comment, please note the '@Fedaykin', and '@Voice'.
“then your command of the English language is not very good, punching above ones weight is a term derived from boxing and seen as a colloquial compliment within the UK.”
I'd say it's your command of the English language that is the problem, since I was agreeing with you! Coincidentally we were discussing the difficulty of parsing triple negatives yesterday, but apparently even double negatives are too much for some people.
I gather from the rest of your post that we do not need 5 new ships, but the government is paying for them to be built anyway so we will retain the ability to build them in the future. Would it really be so bad to simply buy them from other countries if it saves that much money?
And I'm not surprised that you think investing in the military is a good idea, but I wasn't asking you, that was part of my reply to Voice.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/290900.html
Jun 07th, 2017 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=punch%20above%20your%20weight
I'm not seeing it as complimentary in any of those examples...
You are using selective googling...DemonTree...
“I have never heard it used as anything other than a compliment.”
Really...?
”Your responses lead me to believe that you are well and truly punching above your own weight here...(Is that a compliment...I don't think so...)”
Is that a compliment or am I suggesting he is outclassed...?
My usage is correct and it can be used the way I intended...
...so there...
...yeah..
..that's what I'm talking about...
@Voice
Jun 07th, 2017 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose it could be viewed as insulting or complimentary depending how you look at it, even by the dictionary definition I found, as the 'achieving better than expected' part is complimentary, but the implication that your real level is lower is not, particularly if the achievement is only temporary.
Perhaps I should say rather than I have only heard it used to mean the person or whatever is successfully competing outside their class, so your use doesn't make sense to me (and also sounds totally contrived ;) ).
Contrived is my middle name...
Jun 07th, 2017 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or oic ;-)
DT
Jun 08th, 2017 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to Jane's, HMS Clyde was built to “commercial specification” and leased to the MOD with contractor support until 2018. So, a decision had to be made as the vessel would revert to the owners..
Commercial specifications means that the ship is not as robust as a naval vessel and is designed with a limited life span......CHEAPER !!
It makes more sense to replace the vessel BEFORE it becomes unreliable and requires an expensive refit. The S. Atlantic and UK waters require a highly robust vessel.
HMS Clyde can probably sail on for years in less severe maritime conditions elsewhere on the globe.
The new batch 2 vessels are larger and much more capable than the Clyde and can be used anywhere...not just for the Falklands.
@Clyde15
Jun 08th, 2017 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That makes more sense, thanks. So the MOD doesn't actually own the ship? Who does, BAE? And will the MOD be buying the replacement or is it another lease? I didn't know the military did that.
Leasing...?
Jun 08th, 2017 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh... yes... they do...
Them Engrish are though not the only Armed Farces in the World to do it...
And guess what... As with every leasing contract in the World... It's a lot more expensive at the end...
DT
Jun 08th, 2017 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I presume it will go back to Bae for resale. If you remember the buzzword was Private Finance Initiative under Blair and New Labour. New hospitals and schools would be funded this way and all we would do would be to lease them at about 3 times the cost of building them from Public funds.
It's just borrowing money and paying an exorbitant interest rate but it makes the spending round look better by hiding the cost over years.
When my sister lived in Plymouth she was a member of the Royal Western Yacht Club which also had ex RN personnel as members. We were at an afternoon barbecue at her friends house in Cawsand with an ex RN Captain who had been in the Falklands war and a retired Rear Admiral who had been the Senior RN Officer in Scotland based at Rosyth. This subject came up and they were quite disparaging about it.
As they put it, built to the lowest price using readily available commercial parts not necessarily suited for Naval purpose.......the bean counters win again.
I think it was HMS Ocean which had to come in for urgent repairs for pipe work which was failing under stress. Probably B&Q's finest !
I think the current vessels being built on the Clyde are being paid for in the Defence Budget.
I remember when the servicing and repairs to the RAF's Tornado F3 fleet was put out to tender so that they could cut the personnel under defence cuts. The result was that after a competitive low bid Airwork who did the repair botched up the work. The damage was estimated at £300 million and had to be fixed by RAF engineers and fitters at a fraction of the original cost.
Oh yes, I certainly remember those PFI's. The private company makes the profit and the tax payers pay all the costs. Everyone said at the time they were a bad idea, and surprise, surprise, they turned out to be a bad idea.
Jun 08th, 2017 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I didn't know they had extended them to the MOD, I can only imagine how disastrous cost cutting there could be. At least it sounds like they are going back to more traditional funding methods now.
What does the Clyde do down there anyway? Is it not intended to be used for fighting since it's not as robust as a naval vessel?
Q...: What does the Clyde do down there anyway? Is it not intended to be used for fighting since it's not as robust as a naval vessel?
Jun 09th, 2017 - 07:42 am - Link - Report abuse -1A...: The Clyde is down here to patrol the South Atlantic fisheries... for the benefit of some Kelper Squidllonaires and a few other Crown Subjects...
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire
Jun 09th, 2017 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“.. for the benefit of some Kelper …” It’s placed there to protect British interests from bellicose encroaching neighbour’s
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