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Argentina: CFK to run for Senate alongside former Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana
Former Argentine President Cristina Fernandez will top the Citizen Unit's Senate ticket in the province of Buenos Aires for the upcoming primary PASO elections on August 13, alongside her former Foreign Minister Jorge Taiana, it was announced. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat, not “Anibaul” Fernandez? La Morsa would be a perfect fit...
Jun 26th, 2017 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Has he (Taiana ) ever been sentenced for the bombing? Or served time.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Former presidential candidate Sergio Massa tells it like it is here: “Está claro que Cristina necesita los fueros, y por eso decide ser candidata. Está claro también que el gobierno necesita a Cristina de candidata porque le permite discutir el pasado y no el presente”
Jun 26th, 2017 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +3That is, it's clear that CFK is running because she needs immunity from going to prison, and the present government needs CFK as a candidate so that they can argue about the past and avoid mentioning the present state of affairs.
That so much of a country could support such a gang of corrupt hoodlums and thieves is simply fascinating. Rather like watching a boa constrictor eat a pig.
@MT
Jun 26th, 2017 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -4True to himself, Martillazo gifts MP readers with a piece of literature in which he excels:
Although Cristina has never been convicted of any crime, Marti chides Argentines for supporting “a gang of corrupt hoodlums and thieves.”
Of course, Marti will never be able to comprehend what drives a principled politician such as Cristina and most importantly, what drives those who support her. In his blurred vision, he can only see a material advantage, and a pitiful one: “she must be just trying to avoid going to jail.” He probably never saw Cristina going to court--defiance, no fear, big brass balls--and the love of many.
@MP
“Taiana's past as a member of the montonero guerrillas in the 1970s and his participation in the bombing of a Buenos Aires cafe that cost two lives has been resurfaced lately by local and international media.”
Absolute bull about Jorge Taiana. MP demonstrates poor judgement for printing gossip that only exists in the darkest depths of Internet. Taiana did spend a lot of time in prison, the last time up to seven years, but was never accused and much less convicted of committing a crime.
@3
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -5And your “fanciful” depiction is a far better situation than what passes on for government back in your country, the UK. No functioning government, disarray so widespread you are getting raped in overseas negotiations, and your building fire codes are not even being enforced.
It's like a pig, eating itself.
“Taiana did spend a lot of time in prison, the last time up to seven years”
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously a requirement for the position. By the way Kamerad/Komrade Rique, care to tell us who you are referring to when you have posted (several times) about wanting to “crush the empire?”
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JUGV0i0Zz7A/Tz1butatC3I/AAAAAAAACCc/L3G9gr5AdR0/s1600/montonero.mono.asesino.jpg
@Tr0lListic_Approach
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Hey, ML said he's not British so don't attack us because of his comments.
The goverment is functioning; countries with PR regularly take weeks to form a government and it's the civil service who really run the country anyway. The only urgent thing is the Brexit negotiations. As for fire codes, at least we don't have anything like this: http://i1.mdzol.com/files/image/210/210525/4c92419454067.jpg
I guess you don't get to vote for or against CFK as she's standing in BsAs, but have you decided how you are voting in the election for the Chamber of Deputies?
@imoyaro
Why don't you post a link to him saying that first?
Marti Llazo is a UK citizen as long as he does not disclose his location. Since the chances are that on a website that attracts pro-Falklands conservatives from Britain, a poster will be exactly such an individual by a likelyhood of 4 in 5, then my default nationality for any coward who is so ashamed of his nation he dare not utter it is British.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Maybe you Brits can get him to admit where he is from. But I won't allow or be bothered to allow people hiding under cloaks so that they are “unassailable”.
Describing Kirchnerism as comprising “ ... a gang of corrupt hoodlums and thieves ...” was being enormously charitable, and was not intended to disparage more noble hoodlums and thieves.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Do your own legwork, he knows very well what I am referring to... :)
Jun 26th, 2017 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Tr0lListic_Approach
Jun 26th, 2017 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think Voice is British then?
ML speaks good English, he COULD be British. Only occasionally he says something a little odd, but he does live in a Spanish speaking country, so who knows.
But you know, it wouldn't matter where posters are from, if you starting criticising what they say instead of insulting their country. People exchanging insults doesn't convince anyone of anything.
@imoyaro
Then I will assume you are taking it out of context if not totally inventing it and he has nothing to explain.
Reap what you sow, If Cristina becomes a lawmaker God help Argentina
Jun 26th, 2017 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The argie capacity for fruitless imagination is astonishing, as witnessed by the sort of trolly logic here: “Marti Llazo is a UK citizen as long as he does not disclose his location” -- where the absolute lack of knowledge of location is used to positively determine citizenship! Phenomenal. Such technology might have located Osama bin Laden more efficiently. The civilised among us, however, may take exception to this sort of reasoning. Marti is resident in Argentina, owns properties in several countries, has roots in the Iberian peninsula and the islands of the South Pacific, attended university in Latin America, and is not permitted to enter the UK without a valid passport, and then only for a limited time. In fact he has not been east of Rio Gallegos or anywhere close to Piddlehinton in nearly two decades. He can, however, travel freely throughout much of South America with just a DNI and no passport at all. His scent can be found on a number of ISBNs and he has briefly worked in concert with the intelligence services of an unnamed nation that keeps a weather eye on Argentina. Furthermore, he knows when you are sleeping/he knows when you're awake/he knows when you've been bad or good.... etc.
Jun 26th, 2017 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3...and cannot return to said Islands in the South Pacific for fear of arrest...
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse -4As far as you know, or prefer to believe. Remember: on the internet, no one knows you are a dog.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse +1Well, then, now that you have appeared to spontaneously some rudimentary gonads (certainly an unexpected side effect of your overstay in this country), and admitted you have roots in that EUian he!!hole called Zzpain (which reinforces my alternate hypothesis that you are in fact from the devolving nation across the Andes), maybe you can explain to us why Spain has not had one famous scientist of note in it's entire history. And it can't be the Latin blood: Italy has a long, centuries stretching list of major scientists, of course France, even Portugal has had noted explorers (real explorers). You can start with that before we move on to why Spanish are so genetically challenged.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse -4Why not just tell me I'm wrong huh...?
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse -3OK voicey, you are characteristically wrong, about so many things.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse +3On the other hand, trolley has shown up Olympic-like capacity to jump from one erroneous conclusion to another - surely he could medal in it. Could one be actually Spanish or Chilote and write as does the great Marti Llazo? Not likely. Not bloody likely at all. Gens ni mica.
On the internet, no one knows if you're a dog, but everyone knows if you're an ass. ;)
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse +1Here's a case that demonstrates why Cristina must run for office...
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.infobae.com/politica/2017/06/21/casacion-confirmo-la-pena-de-siete-anos-de-prision-para-carlos-menem-por-trafico-de-armas/
He is the most hated President in Argentine history at this time, and staged an explosion at a munitions factory in Cordoba that resulted in 7 fatalities and over 300 wounded in order to cover up missing stock that was illegally sold to Ecuador and Croatia, not to mention usual sort of venality. Note that he is running for the senate yet again. So you see, she simply must get back in office. If she succeeds, she will never see a day in jail. What a system.
Erroneous conclusions?
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse -3You just admitted to come from a country that had an empire full of gold and silver fall into its lap thanks to Measles, and and as a result went into bankrupcy within 65 years. One of the greatest demonstrations of ineptitude in the history of the planet.
Chopper, if you aren't going to mention the topic, it might be time to step outside and go shopping for a new pair of shoes.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure in that he!!cesspool called Ciudad del Este I could get something that fits me... but then I prefer to buy from civilized people and not Paraguayans.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse -4Trolley's jumping to conclusions is so very Argentine in this case, particularly in his assumption that anyone with Iberian roots must, just must be, Spanish! Perhaps this is because of the sorry state of Argentine education, that poor Trolley is so very unversed in the nature and number of the Iberian nations.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse +1Poor Trolley's blissful ignorance. He must be permanently chortling with joy.
Within that hermetically sealed argentine ignorance is likely the lack of awareness that simply living in a country does not necessarily denote one's biological or cultural ADN. To wit, there is an extensive non-Latin but well-educated multilingual community in a corner of the Pyrenees where cargols a la llauna is a special lunchtime treat. And members of this community have for more than 50 years been recruited for work in which allegiance to any of the major powers could be viewed as a liability.
Yeah now you will claim to be from Andorra or something? It would befit your microintellect to come from a micronation though.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse -4Someone with Iberian roots could be Portuguese or even a “llanito” from Gibraltar.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse +1Marti Llazo has told us many times where he lives - I don't see any problem.
Gord01, he just told Chopper in the above posts, but Chopper isn't very bright, and of course, although he claims to be from Mendoza, he apparently knows nothing about the town itself, other than it has wine. He also, it has been noticed, speaks no Español . So he's just another handle here seeking to get people's personal information, but he isn't very good at it. ;)
Jun 27th, 2017 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse +1imoyaro
Jun 27th, 2017 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1The level of intellect and comprehension of the Argentine trolls is not very high, then?
Gordo1, you've been in here as long as I have, you've seen the show, he's a fan of Giorgio A. Tsoukalos, rants about the Annunaki, claims to be a superior being with “noetic” prowess, ( I always say NoEthic.) His racist rants about Anglos and Euros, his contempt for the native tribes still living in Argentina, are actually his more reality based statements.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1Any non-Argentine is below my respect threshold, but other Latins too. If Asians ore Africans were here posting, I would also tell them the truth in their faces.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse -2Why no respect towards any non-Argentine? Because the feeling is mutual. You don't respect us, we don't respect you. What is so unfair about this arrangement?
Or should I just sit and watch as everyone else goes into forums insulting and uttering lies and falsehoods about us without retaliation? You stop, I stop. I've said it for years.
You all have been proven the apes, because you are incapable of even such a simple act of self-control as that.
@Tr0lListic_Approach
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I respect Argentines. You don't have to respect people who insult you, but you shouldn't extend that to a whole country, and even to countries you have never even met a citizen of. That is unfair.
@gordo1
Llanitos are also British, and Marti is always dropping Spanish but I have never seen him write in Portuguese. That pretty much leaves those parts of Spain that don't like being Spanish. He's said before that he went to university in Catalonia and learned the language.
Can't you tell anything from his writing style?
Why would anyone in their right mind put CFK back into a position of power or authority???
Jun 27th, 2017 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure I'm wrong Marti...;-)
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1...only...
Who said this...huh, huh...?
“Besides, if I went back to Singapore I'd probably be arrested.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2017/01/03/malvinas-argentina-calls-on-uk-for-dialogue-and-sovereignty-discussions/comments#comment458485
Voicey, the authorities in Singapore this time were demonstrably wrong. And there is now no barrier to my visiting. Not that I need to anymore. No open accounts, no problem. Even the AFIP here is now happy. Disculpe las molestias ocasionadas.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT,
Jun 27th, 2017 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -3But my name is Tr0lListic Approach, what do you expect from me man? To be the 2nd coming of Einstein?
Actually, when I first started here, I was the 2nd coming of Einstein.. and Newton, and Da Vinci, and Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, Quetzalcoatl, Confucius, Abraham, and Viracocha, all into one humble simple man called TTT.
Thus even the people that hate me here grudgingly admit I was “smarter” in the past, if you have noticed. So imagine how much smarter I really was. I had the Noetic Prowess of all of humanity prior to the year 1638 put together.
But being so much more advanced I really got nowhere with the tossers here, who only understand brute insults and crass argument. Thus Troll was born from the ashes of that legendary era, the b.TTT period. Now we are in the a.dTTT period.
Does anyone realise what Marti Llazo means? “martillazo” is the Spanish for “hammer blow” which ML acknowledged to me a couple of years ago.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trolley's sundry manifestations are most welcome, for his broad-spectrum idiocy and nuclear nacionalismo remind us of what it means to be truly argentine, and why all the world has good reason to continue to laugh at Argentina.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Odiamos a los argentinos porque creemos que hay que utilizar el satélite de Google Maps para observar el tamaño de su ego. Nos irrita su verborrea, sus metáforas freudianas, las hipérboles retóricas que usan para describir el asunto más nimio....”
@Tr0lListic_Approach
Jun 27th, 2017 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But my name is Tr0lListic Approach, what do you expect from me man? To be the 2nd coming of Einstein?”
No. I wouldn't expect more than you are capable of. I expect you to be as smart as you were in the past instead of acting like an idiot. You'd be much more interesting that way.
@gordo1
Yeah, I knew because I looked it up in the dictionary. I also know what gordo means. He can call himself whatever he likes though, it doesn't prove anything.
You speak Spanish, right? Can you tell what country someone is from by how they write it?
Actually the moniker TTT was given to him by me as a shortened version of Truth Telling Troll. He used to change his name a lot and I said I was going to stick with TTT and ignore his other silly names. He is just here having a laugh with us. Since his grandiose stories change with the wind he really cannot be for real.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@ tallison46
Jun 27th, 2017 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why would anyone in their right mind put CFK back into a position of power or authority???”
Very simple, Tallison. CFK has registered as candidate for Argentina's October legislative election.
If CFK loses the election she gets no power and no authority.
If she wins, whatever “power” or “authority” she may have as senator will be given by the electors.
DemonTree
Jun 27th, 2017 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More by accent and vocabulary! For example, if they use the second person singular(instead of the third person) and say “che” a lot, then they are argentinos. Although they could also be from Uruguay.
Nigel and Allistair, Emma and Victoria...
Jun 27th, 2017 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -3...and you know where they are from. No need for accent or vocabulary recognition tests.
@gordo1
Jun 27th, 2017 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't imagine Marti saying che. But does he sound more Spanish or Latin American?
@Trollboy
They could be from New Zealand, Canada, the USA and Australia, and all have different accents and vocabulary. Where do you think Robert, Andrew, Keith and Ellen are from?
Besides, we don't know Marti's real name. If it was something like Goicoechea that would be a big clue. :)
Yup, from Christian names one can tell from whence they came and even their marks at University.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +2That is certainly true for Emma Baumhofer of Switzerland. And Allistair Weingartz in Austria. And then there is Victoria Messi of Gerona, a real sweetheart. And let us not forget the clever fellow, Nigel van den Berg in Gelderland.
No need for accent or vocabulary recognition tests. All you need is an argentine.
Nigel and Allistair
Jun 27th, 2017 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Klaus and Werner
Ives and François
Jordi and Manolo
Beppe and Antonio
Vladimir and Ivan
Sorry, but EUians are predictable and can immediately be recognized. I bet you all can identify IMMEDIATELY the nationality of the above pairs. I rest my case.
Mauricio?
Jun 27th, 2017 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Cristina?
Fernando?
Néstor?
Argentines? No
Californians? No
Bolivians? Could be
Canadians? Very good. They're all Canadians
It's such a silly game.
Trollboy, that is about as significant as saying how predictable it is that Germans speak German, Spaniards Spanish, and Frenchmen French.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Here is another name for troll-boy's name-game.
Jun 27th, 2017 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Walter.
So tell us, troll-boy, is Walter a way you determine someone's nationality as (a), German? Or, (b), as British? Or (c), impossible to tell ?
How about Walter Delrio? With a name like that he could not possibly be an argentine with a PhD in Anthropology, previously with the Argentine National Scientific and Technical Research Council (Consejo Nacional de Investigaciones Científicas y Técnicas - CONICET) and the University of Río Negro, for research into the multiple genocides conducted by Argentina against its indigenous peoples. Véase....
Argentina’s Constituent Genocide: Challenging the Hegemonic National Narrative and Laying the Foundation for Reparations to Indigenous Peoples Lenton, Diana Isabel ; Delrio, Walter Mario ; Pérez, Pilar María Victoria ; Papazian, Alexis Esteban Roberto ; Nagy, Mariano Ariel; Musante, Marcelo (Armenian Review Org, 2012-03)
Caciques, concentraciones y reclutamientos: campañas de conquista e imposición estatal en el norte de la Patagonia - Delrio, Walter Mario (Facultad de Humanidades. Universidad Nacional de Rio Cuarto, 2015-03)
El sometimiento de los pueblos originarios y los debates historiográficos en torno a la guerra, el genocidio y las políticas de estado - Delrio, Walter Mario (Universidad Nacional de La Plata. Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la Educación. Maestría en Historia y Memoria, 2015-04)
Find someone to read this stuff to you, little troll-boy. You might learn something about the real Argentina, which differs considerably from the Argentina of your comforting imagination.
@ tallison46
Jun 27th, 2017 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“Why would anyone in their right mind put CFK back into a position of power or authority???”
Simple really.
1. Out of sheer devotion to the memory of their favorite torturer of students, educators and union leaders, and his dearly departed wife, of whom CFK tries to portray herself as the reincarnation.
2. Free stuff, often choripans and Quilmes, paid for by somebody else.
Tr0lListic_Approach
Jun 28th, 2017 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse +1Nigel and Allistair, Emma and Victoria... ¿Anglo-Argentinos de cuarta generación?
All the best to Cristina for a landslide victory over Macrism. Carrio and a football manager among his most “renowned candidates”, lol! Shame Randazzo's ambition and desire to appease the Blairite elements in the PJ has led to this breach, but hopefully this election will lay the groundwork for a CU government led by Cristina that can achieve even more than her previous one...
Jun 28th, 2017 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse -4“ can achieve even more than her previous one ” yes ok like making the poor poorer, bringing the country to its knees financially, most workers on the Black economy, good luck with that.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0British-Kirchnerist
Jun 28th, 2017 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1So Jeremy Corbin has joined us! What fun!
Gordo, I don't think it's Jeremy. More likely Guy Fawkes.
Jun 28th, 2017 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +1@BK
Jun 28th, 2017 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Concur.
If Argentine voters see not only what's going on right now but what it could become if the Macri government gets an endorsement in October, they should strongly endorse Cristina to up her chances of becoming president in 2019.
Meanwhile, prosecutor Juan Pedro Zoni has presented a request to investigate possible fraudulent administration against Finance Minister Luis Caputo for the operation.
“What would be the need to take a 100-year debt paying 7.9 per cent interest?” asked Zoni in his presentation. (Keep in mind that the Macri administration has borrowed almost USD 100 billion since taking office in December 2015).
Zoni also stated that if the borrowing is not made to benefit the investors, then it would show administrative action against the interests of the State.
But why would investors risk lending money to “serial defaulter” Argentina?
Here's the reason as a June 20 Financial Times article sees it:
“In a world starved of yield, the 7.91 per cent on offer proved to be quite a pull and the bond attracted orders of $9.75bn for the $2.75bn issued.”
That is, the offer was so good, investors made a run for it. Is it also good for Argentina? Nothing is less sure, and if judge Ariel Lijo responds positively to Zoni's request, citizens may find out.
But already a group of legislators who asked for the investigation believe the borrowing is not in the country's interest.
“Barring default, with a yield of nearly 8 per cent, the bond will repay investors in full in about 12 years...” the Financial Times article stated.
So after fully paying back the debt, Argentines will keep paying USD 196 million per year for the remaining 88 years.
We have to keep in mind that most if not all the foreign debt taken has gone to keep the lights on--not to any investment increasing Argentina's capacity to pay, which makes the borrowing unsustainable.
https://www.ft.com/content/76f1792e-55ac-11e7-9fed-c19e2700005f?mhq5j=e1
Guy Fawkes and Jeremy Corbyn, two of the few who entered Parliament with honourable intentions ;)
Jun 28th, 2017 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -4“...government led by Cristina that can achieve even more than her previous one...”
Jun 28th, 2017 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Achievements: increasing the national debt, overseeing education system in which fewer than half of the pibes finish secondary school, defaulting on debt, stealing an entire PBI, lying about everything including her 30 percent population in poverty, leading the world in corrupt practices, infrastructure in mortal decay (except for overpayments for croney Báez for “public works” in Sta Cruz province), the most mendacious INDEC in the history of the country and one that made Argentina the laughingstock of Sudacamerica, buying junk railway material but just where did the real money go? - using public funding to pay for pro-K propaganda but only to media that agreed to be friendly to the K, on and don't forget Futbol Para Todos, and a number of crimes for which CFK has been indicted and those for which she should be indicted shortly. And so on. Decada ganada, my arse.
B-K
Jun 29th, 2017 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse +3and exactly was Guy Fawkes up to in Parliament - he was a patsy for a group of Catholics who wanted to assassinate the new protestant Scottish king and force Catholicism on the British people.
Actually that sound very like Jeremy Corbyn, just replace 'Catholicism' with 'Stalinism'
And you sound like the Tories' new DUP partners, if we don't replace “Catholicism” paranoia with anything else! The saying about Guy Fawkes being the only man to enter Parliament with honest intentions is a common joke here in Britain, basically means we don't trust our politicians. Though with Jeremy, there's now at least one that most people do, even if they don't agree with him. A bit like Cristina in that straight talking, even if not as dressed up to the nines ;)
Jun 29th, 2017 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Are you suggesting that Jeremy Corbin is trusted by most people? If so why was he defeated in the most recent General Election in the UK.
Jun 29th, 2017 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Total Votes Cast 30,395,221 Labour Party Votes 12,877,869. 42.37% clearly not MOST people in the UK nor even close!
As I said, even if you don't agree. I actually feel sorry for the Tory supporters who agree with May's positions, given the robotic, obviously insincere, almost unwatchable way she campaigned for them! And a 10% *increase* in support despite the divided farce the Blairites have tried to make of their own Party, isn't bad for a Leader described as unelectable...
Jun 29th, 2017 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Astonishing reply in support of an untried leader who, if he ever gets into power, will lead Britain to despair. He has already shown his lack of loyalty to Britain by his support of the IRA terrorists and his lack of real action towards the anti-semites in his own party is appalling. Britain will wake up soon to his lack of real preparedness for power.
Jun 29th, 2017 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“He has already shown his lack of loyalty to Britain by his support of the IRA terrorists and his lack of real action towards the anti-semites in his own party is appalling.” These smears were Theresa May's main campaign theme. With which she turned a 20 point lead into a hung Parliament. I'll trust the judgement of the British people over your's =)
Jun 29th, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -4News item (and nothing to do with corruption in Argentina):
Jun 29th, 2017 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ LONDON — The Queen's Speech was on Thursday afternoon given parliamentary approval after MPs voted in favour of Prime Minister Theresa May's legislative programme and defeated all opposition amendments..... A majority of MP supported the Conservative minority's government legislative programme by 323 votes to 309.
The Commons also defeated amendments tabled by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn and other opposition MPs relating to domestic policy and the terms of Britain's exit from the European Union. .. ”
Film at 11
As expected. The DUP plus Tories is a majority. But you're seriously missing the mood in Britain - the mainstream mood, discussed in the mainstream press now almost ad nauseam - if you infer that May is doing well or Corbyn badly. The Tories, and initial polls, expected one of the biggest landslides ever, not to be scrambling for a magic money tree to bribe the Orange bigots.
Jun 30th, 2017 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse -2Oh, and the original article, about Cristina running for the Senate, isn't about corruption in Argentina either, apart from her struggle against it of course =)
At this point here in Argentina we are seeing Criminal Kirchnerismo with a new name, and Criminal Peronismo with the same old name.
Jun 30th, 2017 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse +2http://bucket3.glanacion.com/anexos/fotos/98/2481798h765.jpg
British_Kirchnerist
Jun 30th, 2017 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1“But you're seriously missing the mood in Britain - the mainstream mood, discussed in the mainstream press now almost ad nauseam”
I live in Britain in a university town where the former Conservative MP lost by a very small margin to Labour due to the student vote manipulated by Corbyn and his cronies with their promise about “free” education. Students in the UK are permitted to register both in their home constituency and in the constituency where they study - THERE IS NO CHECK TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY VOTE IN BOTH PLACES. If they vote in both places they would be subject to a large fine - BUT, nobody checks! Political dishonesty is rampant in the UK and not from the Government.
Labour governments in the 21st century left a bankrupt Britain which voters seem to have forgotten!
And as far as the “smears” even the “red” press published photographs of his meeting with the IRA terrorists.
Mr. British Kirchnerist...
Jul 01st, 2017 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Nice to hear from you again..
And nice to see that Jeremy C. has given Engrish politics a breath of life...;-)
TWIMC...
Mercopress article says...:
“Taiana's........ participation in the bombing of a Buenos Aires cafe that cost two lives has been resurfaced lately by local and international media.”
I say...:
Geeeeeeee.... He must be a damn good terrorist...
As far as memory serves me..., Sr. Taiana was detained by Coordina...(ción Federal) some days BEFORE that specific bombing... and released about seven years after...
El Think...
@Think
Jul 01st, 2017 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Absolutely. However, the most recalcitrant elements of the Argentine media (echoed by the most illuminated MP commentators) have grabbed this allegation in a desperate attempt to discredit Taiana, a solid politician if there ever was one.
Desperate candidates may use desperate tactics.
gordo “Political dishonesty is rampant in the UK and not from the Government.” We're so like Macri's Argentina then. Ha bloody ha
Jul 01st, 2017 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -3British_Kirchnerist
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse -2I think that Macri is a good example for that pretender Corbyn and his cronies - he does not a liar nor a traitor!
TWIMC...
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just reading the comments of the Brainwashed Anglo Turnips above... it becomes crystal clear that they..., as usual..., are completely misinformed about all things Argentinean...
They write about a Parlamentarian Immunity that has NOT existed in Argentina since the year 2000...!
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1807040-los-fueros-no-son-sinonimo-de-impunidad
Turnips...!
@Think
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent finding that all but destroys the idiotic claims about CFK seeking immunity for her “crimes.”
;-)
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article 69 of the constitution of Argentina allows senators and deputies to enjoy parliamentary immunity during their mandates, which may be revoked by their peers if a senator or deputy is caught in flagrante, in the midst of committing a capital crime.
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Article 69: Ningún senador o diputado, desde el día de su elección hasta el de su cese, puede ser arrestado; excepto el caso de ser sorprendido in fraganti en la ejecución de algún crimen que merezca pena de muerte, infamante, u otra aflictiva; de lo que se dará cuenta a la Cámara respectiva con la información sumaria del hecho. ( No senator or deputy shall be arrested as from the day of his election until the expiration of his term, except when flagrantly surprised committing a crime deserving capital punishment or other infamous or serious punishment, in which case a summary report of the facts shall be submitted to the corresponding House.)
2013 news item:
“Menem, now 82, receives immunity as a public servant. The court urged his fellow representatives to strip him of this privilege, but recent scandals involving his colleagues may make it difficult for a majority of senators to establish that precedent. Furthermore, under Argentina law, all prisoners over 70 have the right to serve penal time at home. Thus, even if the senate does relinquish Menem's immunity, he will most likely never serve time behind bars.”
Ooooooops...
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Anglo Turnip “forgot” to read, comprehend and translate Articles 68 & 70 of the constitution of Argentina...
Is all there on me above link... Anglo Turnip...
What's the matter...? Can't you read Spanish...?
The material previously posted is quite correct, tinkle. Adding cites to the other sections does not change that. Given the enormous number of corrupt legislators in the Argentine congress, the chance that 2/3 would vote to remove the immunities of one of their members is indeed remote.
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Section 68 - No member of Congress shall be accused, judicially examined, or disturbed for opinions expressed or speeches delivered by him while holding office as legislator.
Section 70. - When a written complaint is filed before the ordinary courts against any senator or deputy, once examined if there is enough evidence in a public trial, each House may, with the concurrence of two thirds of the votes, suspend the accused party from his office and place him under the jurisdiction of the competent court to be judged.
In actual practice, as noted previously, Argentine criminals do seek public office as a way to avoid prison, knowing that their fellow criminals in high office will (and do) protect them.
If there's no immunity then why is Ex-President Menem not in jail or, given his age, under house arrest?
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm wondering if any senator has ever been stripped of their immunity by their peers? I can't find a case but it's hard to know what to search for.
DT, the term used here is “desaforado” which means to lose one's “fueros” or special priviledges.
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0President Macri's party has made a point of attempting to further reduce some of the “fueros” and there is considerable public support for this since peronismo is viewed as the greatest beneficiary of immunities from serving prison sentences. Interestingly, the minor changes relating to the limiting of fueros in the year 2000 involved CFK, who was then a lower-house deputy (diputada). But, unsurprisingly, she didn't vote in favour of limiting those fueros, perhaps imagining that some day her corrupt little self would be needing protection from going to prison.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You ask...:
“If there's no immunity then why is Ex-President Menem not in jail or, given his age, under house arrest?”
I say...:
Because..., in our corrupt system..., one of the strategies is to dilate the times of the judiciary process In Eternum...
Ex. President Menem has NOT YET recieved a firm sentence due to his appelation to the Supreme Court...
Legally..., he is still innocent (even if guilty as hell...:-(
Anglo Turnip MartiLlazo says above...:
”Interestingly, the minor changes relating to the limiting of fueros in the year 2000 involved CFK, who was then a lower-house deputy (diputada). But, unsurprisingly, she didn't vote in favour of limiting those fueros, perhaps imagining that some day her corrupt little self would be needing protection from going to prison.”
I say...:
Interestingly, the quite comprehensive changes relating to the limiting of Parlamentary Immunity in the year 2000 involved CFK, who was then a lower-house deputy (diputada)
Unsurprisingly..., she was one of the driving forces and promoter of that law...,but abstained of voting for the end result because it wasn't comprehensive enough...
https://www.clarin.com/politica/cristina-impulso-fueros-permite-investigar_0_BJI4UPSnPXx.html
@Think
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Quite amusing. Our enterprising Martillazo tries to write history his way and goes from gaffe to gaffe. Good for you for debunking his false arguments.
Cheerleaders such as Martillazo will speak matter of fact about the “corruption K” and “corrupt CFK.” They conveniently forget that, since December 2015, prosecutors and judges have done all in their power to search and dig--literally--for potential evidence, using excavators in CFK properties--to no avail. Any finding would have made it to Clarin's front page and printed with large headlines. There were, in fact, a few stories that very quickly revealed inconsequential or total fakes. For example, the investigation on the famous “dollar future” which attempts to criminalize normal acts of government, risks to find out that those who benefited financially from the devaluation of the peso are members of the current government--and none from the previous one.
Same tactic as Clarin, which will invariable put on many of its one-day stories with the subhead of “La ruta del dinero K,” as if it's not a matter of whether money was stolen but where it went.
Meanwhile, the cheerleaders ignore the Panama Papers affair involving Macri, family and friends, as well as Correo Argentino's potentially fraudulent bankruptcy, Avianca and Macair Jet.
Not that anyone would be politically motivated...
@Think
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2He was sentenced to 7 years in prison in 2013, and all the papers reported at the time that he wouldn't go to jail because he was a senator. It seems that his fellow senators have not used their power to suspend him and place him under the jurisdiction of the courts; that provision is of little use if it is not exercised.
@ML
When I search on that I just find Chilean senators, no Argentine ones. Either the Chilean politicians are more corrupt or they are better at dealing with corruption.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I repeat....
As the law is today..., the parliament will only consider the revocation of immunity of one of its members only AFTER a FIRM and FINAL veredict has been reached...
Menem lawyers appealed the 2013 sentence to a higher court that has recently confirmed his culpability...:
http://www.politicargentina.com/notas/201706/21481-la-justicia-confirmo-la-pena-a-menem-por-la-venta-ilegal-de-armas.html
Them lawyers are now appealing to the last instance..., the Supreme Court..., a proceedind that will take some years..., and judging by the looks os Mr. Menem last week..., I doubt he will ever read the final veredict...
CAPISCE...?
@Think
Jul 02nd, 2017 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2The law quoted above by ML (accurately as far as I can see), says “When a written complaint is filed before the ordinary courts against any senator or deputy, once examined if there is enough evidence in a public trial...”
It doesn't say anything about waiting for a firm and final verdict.
But whether you are right or not, the practical effect has been to give Menem many years of immunity. It's not implausible that someone else may wish to take advantage of the privilege in the same way.
DT: “When I search on that I just find Chilean senators, no Argentine ones. Either the Chilean politicians are more corrupt or they are better at dealing with corruption.”
Jul 03rd, 2017 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse -1Certainly the chileno politicians are corrupt to a degree, but nowhere near the level here in Argentina. What you are likely finding is that the chilenos are more trigger-happy when it comes to accusing one another of some slight, while in general the exceedingly corrupt argie politicians make a practice of “la vista gorda” and protect one another from the consequences of their corruption. Menem is an obvious example of how this system functions in practice, in effect making a mockery of a perpetually disgraceful judicial system, where even multiple convictions for very serious crimes result in no penalties so long as the criminal remains in “public service” in the legislature.
Oh yeah, Menem the boogeyman.
Jul 04th, 2017 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse +1Meanwhile, the peso falls to $17 per dollar and Clarin dutifully informs that the likely causes are a smaller liquidation of the harvest, accelerated conversion to USD of actives in view of “electoral stress” and also because (let's sound didgeridoos and bagpipes) individuals cashing on their annual bonuses!
In just over a year, Mauricio Macri created a large foreign debt; lowered reserves; sold actives to pay for operations; increased fiscal deficit; printed money; kept inflation going; reduced wages; increased public services bills; melted the state budget; supported layoffs; and seriously hurt industrial activity.
And some would like to keep talking about the “pesada herencia.”
The new incarnation of Kirchnerism is hoping to soon return to the days of 40 percent annual inflation, a black market for dollars, no access to foreign financing for less than 15 percent interest, and the banning of books and magazines published in other countries.
Jul 04th, 2017 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its funny how the anti-Ks are using Menem as a bogeyman here, since his policies were the opposite of Kirchnerism's and extremely similar to Macri's. This is not unrelated, I humbly submit, to the fact that unlike Cristina he really is guilty as hell. After all, if your economic policy is to sell the country, personal corruption is a logical next step. What were those Panama Papers saying again....
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