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Macri expects to talk Falklands with PM May at the G20 summit in Hamburg
Argentine president Mauricio Macri is scheduled to meet in Hamburg with British Prime Minister Theresa May to reinforce cooperation and joint efforts but with the “difference” resulting from the dispute over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands remaining on the table, according to government sources in Buenos Aires. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI cannot believe that this matter will be on the agenda of the G20 Summit so Mrs May should ignore this intention of Señor Macri!
Jul 05th, 2017 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse +4This issue would not form any part of the G20 agenda. But Argentine will always try and say something, that way they can tell their people that they are continuing to chase the dream to colonise a British Territory. T May would have simply said “Thankyou, that's very interesting but no thanks, there is nothing to discuss.”
Jul 05th, 2017 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse +5“ we believe this a part of what happens at the G20 ” Are they really that clueless to what happens at the G20? He will be tugging at her sleeves to try and arrange a meeting, I do not think a meeting will take place, but just like they sunk our destroyer 3 times, it is good for the masses to think it happened and that further talks will take place. Nothing will change the position of the FALKLANDERS though.
Jul 05th, 2017 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse +5President Mauricio Macri and Prime Minister Theresa May two serious people, congratulations for the diálogo.
Jul 05th, 2017 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -7HaHa Malvi in your wet dreams.
Jul 05th, 2017 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +4It's a pity that Malvinense 1833 is NOT a serious person yet he/she insists on wasting our time with meaningless diálogo!
Jul 05th, 2017 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3The only 'dialogue' on the subject of the Falklands will be about whether Macri can meet his commitments regarding flights.
Jul 05th, 2017 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Somehow I suspect that'll take a few seconds, and then they'll move on.
Sovereignty won't get a look in. Why? That matter is settled.
We insist on a monologue, I mean, a dialogue, on the return of Chubut to its rightful sovereign owners and an end to the illegal occupation by the argentine usurpers and their implanted population.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse +4The inhabitant of the hallway asks for that. hahaha new falklander, you make me laugh the tonsils.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Malvi, you already think it has happened. You hear that an intended hearing is going to take place and you have already decided that it is taking place, no wonder your country is so fucked up.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Malvinense 1833
Jul 06th, 2017 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“ congratulations for the diálogo.”
Most diplomatic dialogue=one country talks to another concerned with an issue and listens to the reply.
Argentine 'dialogo'=Argentina speaks and replies to itself, or speaks to another country which is not involved in the issue to be discussed.
@golfie: I expect to drink some beers with you and some islanders someday.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0News we expect to see: “Falkland Islands blamed for sharp devaluation of Argentine peso ”
Jul 06th, 2017 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voglio scrivere in una lingua “neutra” per la sensibilità di tutte le persone argentine e inglesi dato il mio origine anglo-italo-argentino
Jul 06th, 2017 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Possiamo scrivere pagine e pagine sulla sovranità ma una cosa rimane sempre in primo luogo ed è il valore delle persone, a noi argentini ci spiace tanto non poter fare fratellanza con gli abitanti delle isole, sono persone molto speciali, hanno molta cura del loro territorio e questo è una grossa lezione per chi ci abita in Argentina, spero tanto che si possa creare un mega ponte come quello di San Francisco e che possa unire queste terre e i loro abitanti.
Un grande saluto a tutti voi !!!
Malvi...and Macri
Jul 06th, 2017 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can 'expect' anything you want. I 'expected' to be tall, dark and handsome and marry a millionaire's daughter ...and look what happened.
What happened...?
Jul 06th, 2017 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvi, why not come over for a beer next week, I would be delighted.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice
Jul 06th, 2017 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 01.74m, light hair, not handsome a la David Beckham and 'making a living'.
Relax, islanders, you know any Argentine government needs to appear doing something to get our Malvinas back.
Jul 06th, 2017 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you also know that Macri is a big admirer of the western developed countries and would love nothing but to please the British, same as the last dictatorship that Argentina suffered in the 1970s. What? Galtieri? Ooooops!
Argentina, the Country That Never Grew Up.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse +2England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse -3Hepathetic, The Nena Who Never Grew Up
Jul 07th, 2017 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse +1Johnny Colman
Jul 07th, 2017 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your sentiments are very worthy but ENGLISH is the language of this forum. Arrivederci!
@gordo1
Jul 07th, 2017 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse +1I apologize, sorry , I'm an italian teacher pardon !!! Professional mistakes :)
President Mauricio Macri and Prime Minister Theresa May, congratulations for the diálogo.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -3JOAN SMITH: WHY IS THERE NO DEBATE IN BRITAIN ABOUT THE MALVINAS?
I can’t help wondering, as I did 30 years ago, about proportionality. I thought the loss of life on HMS Sheffield was tragic and I felt the same about Argentinian casualties, most of whom were young conscripts. The loss of just over 900 lives to regain the islands for a population of slightly more than 1,800 didn’t make sense to me, any more than the idea that the islands were “British”. I know the islanders insist on their British identity but they’ve chosen to live on the other side of the world and I don’t think they can reasonably expect a blank cheque from British governments for ever.
It would make a great deal more sense to open negotiations with Argentina and guarantee islanders the means to settle in the UK if they aren’t happy with the outcome. It’s not as if British governments uphold the idea of self-determination across the board: in 1971, the last of the Chagossian islanders were removed by the Royal Navy from their archipelago in the Indian Ocean after the UK agreed to allow the US to build a military base on Diego Garcia. The Chagossians now live for the most part miserably in Mauritius and the Seychelles, and diplomatic cables leaked in 2010 show that the British government is still resisting any possibility of a return.
There are double standards at work here, and they make the absence of a political debate about the Falklands puzzling. At a time of economic hardship, when so many are struggling, shouldn’t we be talking about the cost of defending these faraway islands – and the alternatives? The Falkland islanders have had plenty of opportunities to air their views. I wonder when the debate will be opened to the rest of us.
The tendency of argentines to beat their heads against solid, immovable objects and avoid recognition of certain obvious features of the landscape is surely one of their most amusing and endearing qualities. Argentina's arrogant desire to subjugate their neighbours confirms their perennial status as the most despicable toy country in the region, and why nobody wants to talk to them.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Possibly you did not read the article or maybe Jean Smith is argie?
Jul 07th, 2017 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look into the mirror, malvado1833.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malv 1833
Jul 07th, 2017 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“It would make a great deal more sense to open negotiations with Argentina and guarantee islanders the means to settle in the UK if they aren’t happy with the outcome.”
That is an Argentinian point of view so presumably you are an Argentinian.
Senseless arguing about it, force them into Argentine rule or ship them out of their homeland
I am touched that you are so concerned about the expense to the UK taxpayer of the cost to us .
Tell you what, here is a better solution. Give up your spurious claim and continual bleating THEN we could demiliterise the area by removing UK forces and leave just a local defence cadre. That would solve your problem.
Argentina must enter into negotiations to return sovereignty over Chubut to its rightful owners. The present implanted illegal argie squatter population can be resettled in Jujuy if they don't like the new deal.
Jul 07th, 2017 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@Malvinense 1833
Jul 07th, 2017 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect Britain's insistence on self-determination, despite previous hypocrisy over the Chagos Islands, has something to do with the Northern Ireland situation. It could be pretty disastrous not to respect it there.
My understanding was that the Mauritians were paid twice to take in the Chagossians and look after them.So why don't you offer to pay the UK twice to look after the FALKLANDERS? You do not have enough money. But the FALKLANDERS want to look after themselves, that's why SELF-DETERMINATION is paramount
Jul 07th, 2017 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Didn't Argentina already offer the Falklanders £1m each and they wouldn't take it?
Jul 07th, 2017 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1OK, the show ended with a bang...May simply cancelled the encounter. She probably did not want a repeat of the previous fiasco when Macri unilaterally declared that May was willing to discuss Malvinas' sovereignty only to be dealt a swift and total denial.
Jul 08th, 2017 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far for Argentina's “return to the world” under Macri 's “leadership.” What this shows is the meek attitude of Argentina's dominant classes towards more powerful countries.
Another lesson for Argentina voters.
Malvinese 1833
Jul 08th, 2017 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“The Chagossians now live for the most part miserably in Mauritius and the Seychelles, and diplomatic cables leaked in 2010 show that the British government is still resisting any possibility of a return”
And in Crawley.
The fight goes on, I hope YOU are a member of the Chaggosian Support Group.
The idiots in HMG don't get it that if the Islanders return home (they want to remain British and to be a proper BOT), that Mauritius's claim will go down the plughole.
“ At a time of economic hardship, when so many are struggling, shouldn’t we be talking about the cost of defending these faraway islands.”
We should be talking about making the Argentine government pay for the costs of the war in 1982.
“but they’ve chosen to live on the other side of the world and I don’t think they can reasonably expect a blank cheque from British governments for ever”.
What do you mean blank cheque?
Since being given the chance to run their own economy, the Islanders are an economic success story, buying many services from the UK, employing UK nationals and buying many supplies from the UK. The Islanders are not dependent on aid.
You could argue that as the UK, NOT Argentina , is one of the HIGHEST providers of foreign aid to the world, why should it not aid the Falklands with defence costs?
Again, if the British forces deployed on the Islands were not there, they would be re-deployed elsewhere, not disbanded, as the British forces have already been cut too much.
And for a country that provides so much aid, perhaps the level of aid should be cut to spend more in the UK?
There are other British territories a lot further away, i.e. Pitcairn Island, which receive aid, but note that the Falkland Islands don't they pay for all their public services themselves.
If you care so much about how the Chagossians were treated by Mauritius then do something about it and join the Chagossian Support Group, so they can return and become a true BOT.
The Falklands will be an important staging base when the time comes for the UK to throw the argies out of the British Antarctic Territory.
Jul 08th, 2017 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The overall UK defence budget is currently 1.88% of GDP. The slice of the overall UK defence budget pie spent on defending the Falklanders is 0.2%. Worth every penny.
Jul 09th, 2017 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse +1If Macri wants to know what the current UK government policy is towards the Falkland Islands it is not hard to find out.
https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/falkland-islanders-right-to-self-determination
Throw the Argies out of Antarctica? They are important customers at the UKs Antarctic Post Office!
Jul 09th, 2017 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chile should be careful too, Argie blokes are major customers for those easily excited little wooden statues one finds in every southern Chilean tourist shop. Their wives love them having forgotten what a stiffy really looks like.
While Macri was screwing around trying to trying to impress the serious nations, word back here is that nearly 59 percent of Argentines aged 17 and under are classed as being in....poverty. No surprises there. In 2010 it was about 64 percent for the same population. No surprises there, either. Though we do remember that CFK lied about it. No surprise in that, of course.
Jul 10th, 2017 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse +1The poverty numbers are from the UCA, the Universidad Católica Argentina, and differ from INDEC conclusions. The INDEC concluded that at the end of 2016, 45.8 percent of Argentine children under age 14 were in poverty. (Now, that's a number to be proud of!).
Welcome to the Third World.
So what is the average per capita income for the Falklands these days? US$75,000 or so?
“So what is the average per capita income for the Falklands these days? US$75,000 or so?”
Jul 12th, 2017 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0According to the 2016 census: ”For individuals in employment, the mean (average) salary in Stanley is £27,562, and £21,336 in Camp.”
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