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Argentine Senate head calls on UK for Falklands/Malvinas discussions
Argentine Senate president Federico Pinedo called on the British government ”to sit down and discuss all issues (of the bilateral agenda) including the Malvinas dispute”, and should also make a greater effort in improving its relations with Latin America, according to a statement from DYN news agency. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFederico Pinedo: “It bothers me that to go to the Malvinas, I get the
Aug 17th, 2017 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse +7passport of the English” The provisional president of the Senate went through Conversations and referred to the controversy over the joint statement between Argentina and Great Britain (La Nacion, 20 Sept 2016).
How can Argentina claim the Falklands when she has never legally owned them?
Falklands- Never Belonged to Argentina (1 page):
https://www.academia.edu/31111843/Falklands_Never_Belonged_to_Argentina
You want to improve relations with the Islanders then give up the ridiculous sovereignty claim.
On the issue of sovereignty there is nothing to discuss. The matter is settled.
Aug 17th, 2017 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse +8” the British government should improve its relations with Latin America and “the life quality of Islanders”, ALLEGEDLY in reference to connectivity.
Aug 17th, 2017 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse +11A rather arrogant statement. I'm sure that the islander's life quality is just fine without Argentine input.
If Senator Pinedo wants some discussions on the Falkland Islands he should use his influence to persuade the Congress to stop blocking progress on the Sept 16 Joint Statement. Progress against promises so far.............zero. Could it be that Argentine promises are not worth the paper they are written on ??
Aug 17th, 2017 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +8“He added that the British government should improve its relations with Latin America and “the life quality of Islanders”, allegedly in reference to connectivity.”
Aug 17th, 2017 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +6By talking to the Argentines, the UK surely is improving it's relations with South America?
Another Argentine harking back to the 70s communication agreement which might have improved some aspects of the Islander's life quality then, but only because the UK government did not heed Shackleton's recommendation for a runway extension at Stanley to allow communications with the world outside South America, also because mistakenly (as has been proved post 1982/1986), investing in the Falkland Islands would be wasting taxpayer's money.
The record is still stuck. Pinedo, with his head firmly stuck in the sand or maybe in another dark location, ignores the two air links the islanders now have plus the monumental increase in life style since 1982, arguably post 1986.
And he still believes the interests of the islanders are the same, but never do the Argentines state exactly what the Islander's interests are and why the Argentines have any right to define those interests?
It's like a shop wanting customers but not divulging what it is exactly that the shop sells. So are the customers going to bother visiting that shop when they are already well supplied from another one?
I am all for bilateral discussions on the Falkland Islands with MLA's present. The Islanders should use that opportunity to politely oppose the Malvinas Myth and challenge the threadbare case Argentina presents for claiming sovereignty.
I don't imaginePinedo would 'Like it up him'.
Pinedo speaks as if the guaranteeing of security with MPA, a runway that can take aircraft from further than South America, the Economic zone in 1986 and the £31 million aid/FIDC has not done anything to improve the islander's lifestyle.
Bloody cheek! From my experience of living and working in 5 Latin American republics Britain's relations with those countries are closer than are Argentina's. Argentina is viewed by other Latin American nations as being arrogant and overbearing - its citizens are not liked.
Aug 17th, 2017 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +6As long as the Argentine Republic has a Constitution which points out the “Malvinas” as part of the country, as long as it indoctrinates its youth from kindergarten to university with the “malvinas myth”, as long as there are road signs all over country with texts like “Malvinas son Argentinas”, as long as they are using offensive place names, such as “Puerto Argentino” &c, &c there is really nothing to “sit down and discuss”.
Aug 17th, 2017 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“He added that the British government should improve its relations with Latin America and “the life quality of Islanders”, allegedly in reference to connectivity.”
Aug 17th, 2017 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4How presumptuous! Perhaps he should consider why islanders would prefer to have a lower 'life quality' rather than deal with Argentina? Hint: it's not Britain that's standing in the way.
14 June 1982 end of discussion.
Aug 17th, 2017 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4GALlamosa
Aug 17th, 2017 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“Could it be that Argentine promises are not worth the paper they are written on ??”
“Francis Baylies ..as charge d'affaires at Buenos Aires early in 1832 held that the United States should sign no treaty with authorities in Buenos Aires “for we would abide by it, and they would consider the violation of a treaty no greater offence than a lie told by a schoolboy.... ” Juan Manuel de Rosas as Viewed by Contemporary American Diplomats, William Dusenberry
Re: ‘life quality' Apparently recently the Islanders enjoy abetter one than Argentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
If Senator Pinedo wants some truly meaningful discussions in respect of the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands then the only forum where these can take place is the United Nations International Court of Justice (UNICJ) in den Haag, Netherlands. The UNICJ is the ONLY Court with the jurisdiction to determine and settle sovereignty disputes. The Republic of Argentina should instigate procedings at the UNICJ forthwith. I wonder why they won't do it?*
Aug 18th, 2017 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse +3*Don't worry......I know why ;-D
I believe the only issues to discuss is how much money Argentina is going to pay both the Falkland Islands and the UK in reparations for their illegal invasion of British territory in 1982.
Aug 18th, 2017 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Senator Pinedo, just two words for you F**k off.
Aug 18th, 2017 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +4If you equate the issue as being entirely settled dependent on a coin-toss. Argentina would be claiming its the the best out of two-hundred and forty-nine flips and climbing, if they were losing
Aug 18th, 2017 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Didn't take long for Argentina's real intentions to be confirmed....If they can't sit down to discuss pure trade issues, then there's no point in meeting them.
Aug 18th, 2017 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +4My Argentine compadre and porteño, Walter Gasquet, who sadly passed away several years ago, used to tell me that if Argentina ever succeeded in obtaining sovereignty of the Falkland Islands they just wouldn't know how to govern and/or live in the archipelago because there really wasn't anything there which would be familiar to them. It was more foreign to them than Timbuctoo.
Aug 19th, 2017 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Surely, in view of the progress the Islands have achieved since 1982 the gap is even wider. So why does Argentina continue with its stupidity?
Again, after many times of asking, just what can the Argies bring to the negociating table?
Aug 20th, 2017 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse +2England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Aug 21st, 2017 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse -5Argentina is welcome to the “Malvinas” - wherever that may be! Maybe Kipper is referring to “Malvinas Argentinas Partido” but then this place already exists in Buenos Aires Provence.
Aug 21st, 2017 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +2What's the best way to cook a kipper?
Aug 21st, 2017 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Personally I put some butter on them then microwave for a couple of minutes but my wife considers that to be heresy and grills them, but the big question is do you cut their heads of before cooking or not?
Maybe I should ask someone who knows.
Is there a kipper cooker in the house?
Yeah, I know it's off topic but hey what the hell, let's enjoy ourselves.
Don't know the best way to cook a kipper, but in Italy several years ago, got talking to an Italian lady in Florence, who spoke a bit of English....the conversation drifted into cooking , and the preparation of a fish stew called “Katchuko”, and one thing I remember her saying , “ Firsta you gotta cut offa de heada”.....
Aug 22nd, 2017 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse +2gordo1
Aug 22nd, 2017 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse +3I've checked on google maps and these 'Malvinas' appear to be just outside Buenos Aires.
I've also checked that England doesn't have these malvinas that Hepatia/Kipper is bleating on about. Maybe the numerous crooked Argentine governments have stolen them and are hiding them from the 'people'.
@LEPRecon
Aug 24th, 2017 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“these 'Malvinas' appear to be just outside Buenos Aires.”
@Kipper
“England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.”
So the 'English' control an area near B.A.?
Why doesn't Argentina kick them out, Kipper?
This is certainly a well kept secret, as good as the secret salvage ship that refloated Britain's aircraft carriers in 1982 when they were sunk several times. But to be honest, Kipper, Britain has a better claim to Ushuaia, than somewhere near B.A.
Pinedo could use some of the transplanted 'English' population in Argentina, (or even the transplanted Spanish population if desperate),in the way his namesake crewed his ship with British sailors in 1833.
That worked well didn't it?
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