Brazil purchases Royal Navy's fleet flagship helicopter carrier, HMS Ocean

Wednesday, January 3rd 2018 - 06:55 UTC

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Brazil has now confirmed the purchase of British helicopter carrier HMS Ocean, according to a report in the UKdefensejournal. “We were informed by a source in the Brazilian defense community that the vessel has been sold for £84 million. Roberto Lopes has informed us that the purchase of HMS Ocean by the Brazilian Navy was confirmed within the last week by Brazilian Defense Minister Raul Jungmann”. Read full article

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Remember Pasadena, Texas? REF:
https://folhapolitica.jusbrasil.com.br/noticias/114414697/entenda-a-compra-da-refinaria-de-pasadena-pela-petrobras
Jan 03rd, 2018 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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darragh
Did I miss something? Why is there a picture of GCHQ accompanying this article?
Jan 03rd, 2018 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
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Asha
A corrupt and illegitimate administration wasting the taxpayers money on trash.
Jan 03rd, 2018 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
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@ASHA:

Is history repeating itself?
REF:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Petrobras-scandal
Jan 03rd, 2018 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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Regardless of whether being a good purchase or not, the Pasadena episode caused PB and Brazil a loss of USD 1 billion, a damned sight more than the HMS Ocean ....and then again, Brazil could always re-sell it to Bolivia...when and if Evito ever manages to get his seaport ...

@A sh*t
talking of waste, yr post is a waste... of space. But I presume you never read about Lula's oil-tanker, the “João Cândido”, did you ?? a waste of USD 336 million for a tanker, ordered by Lula for PB - made in Brazil - and which almost sank on it's maiden voyage (2010); had to be salvaged and towed back to port, put in dry-dock, and now is just a rust-bucket up in Pernambuco. Just a reminder A sh*t, an equivalent vessel could have been ordered from S.Korea for “half” the price, which suggests that 'someone' (Lula ? nooooh !) received a handsome kickback..... and guess what ? it wouldn't sink.
Jan 03rd, 2018 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
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@JB

The intention here was only to show a possibility of the BEGINNING of yet another scandal and NOT it's worth.

By the way, the Loss REF: Pasadena/Petrobras which you indicate [USD 1 billion] is too small as compared to the Actual TOTAL loss:
http://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/oil-giant-petrobras-reports-record-us96b-loss-as-brazil-crisis-churns
Jan 04th, 2018 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
I think it's about time that the Brazilian shareholders who got screwed by the corruption in the company, got together, as did those in the USA, to sue PB for losses ; The only reason PB decided to settle the case in the USA, is because they know that there, justice works....here, PB would keep on making appeals and the case could drag on for decades. Best solution would be to sell the company.
Jan 04th, 2018 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
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Frank
Jack Bauer 'and now is just a rust-bucket up in Pernambuco'

Dunno about that... she just passed Punta Arenas bound for Talcahuano

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-70.6/centery:-53.1/zoom:9
Jan 04th, 2018 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
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Jack Bauer
@Frank
You are right. I should apologize for presuming what usually happens in this country, based not only on my experience, but on the opinions of people in the industry who at the time, predicted the ship would never sail, unless completely overhauled… which in fact did happen, taking 2 more years and another USD 178 million. However, shortly after the return to dry-dock, I presumed what most people did. I should have realized that if overhauled, it would mean more money, and more corruption.
After passing new tests, the ship finally became operational, and if not mistaken, carried its first load in 2014. Considering two of the main partners in the shipyard, Camargo Correia and Queiroz Galvão, both caught up in the PB corruption scheme and denounced in the “lavajato”, and the government in power at the time, the fiasco shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone.
The losses to Transpetro and PB were not limited to the “João Cândido” ; the delay, and similar problems with previous ship buildings – also ordered by Lula from the same shipyard - caused losses of over USD 100 million….and now, to cap it, thanks to Lula and his criminal organization, PB has had to fork out USD 2,95 billion to shareholders in the US….the good news though, is that have just heard that the Brazilian shareholders are mobilizing in order to take PB to court as well.
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Frank
@ Jack.

Sounds like the tanker that was built in La Plata for Venezuala. I saw the ..'Eva Peron' in a moderately advanced state of construction in 2010 with very little work taking place on her. Seems she wasn't launched until 2012 and not delivered until 2014....

https://www.reuters.com/article/oil-tankers-venezuela/rpt-despite-launch-parties-venezuelan-oil-tankers-never-set-sail-idUSL4N0HR0YL20131001
Jan 06th, 2018 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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A Helicopter Carrier - the Most Urgent need of TODAY! REF:
http://www.otempo.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.1559323.1515098065!image/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/main-charges-resize_620/image.JPG
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Jack Bauer
@Frank
Looks like Brazil and VZ have a lot more in common that meets the eye. The ‘João Cândido’ was built by EAS (Estaleiro Sul Atlatico) in southern Pernambuco, launched with pomp and glory by Lula and his lamp post Dilma, on the 7th May 2010, and spent the best part of the next 2 years undergoing repair, becoming operational in 2014. As I said, the ‘total’ cost, USD 514 million, could have been 2/3 less had it been ordered directly from Samsung in S.Korea, which not surprisingly sold its 6% stake in the shipyard, soon after, leaving it 50/50 in the hands of the two Brazilian partners. Just wonder how much of that cost went in bribes…90% of this fiasco, which foresaw several other new-buildings, was financed by the BNDES, in a program which included the purchase by PB, of several oil rigs, from Sete Brasil, a deal which is still being investigated by the Federal Police, due to (now confessed) corruption by ex-PB directors, in cahoots with the PT/PMDB.
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@JB:

REF: “the ‘total’ cost, USD 514 million, could have been 2/3 less had it been ordered directly from Samsung in S.Korea”:

WHAT?

Eliminate the “Middle-Men/Women” and their livelihood?
Jan 07th, 2018 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Jack Bauer
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Besides structural problems which elevate the cost of just about evertything manufactured or built in Brazil (custo Brasil) , we have the wee problem that every politician and/or public servant involved in the process needs to get their cut....and the taxpayer has to pay the bill.
Jan 07th, 2018 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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@JB:

REF: “we have the wee problem”:

On one hand, this is a wee bit of a BIG Tradition and on the other hand, these Poor Miserables keep making the two ends meet [Mostly the ends NEVER meet and thus they NEED more!].

It is just a question of making hay while the sun shines; when The Rest [a majority] of The Miserables just watch [football?] Isn't it quite/almost clear?
REF:
https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/00rs0108crs.jpg?resize=569%2C420&ssl=1
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