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US, via Paraguay, largest source of guns entering Brazil

Thursday, January 11th 2018 - 10:11 UTC
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The United States is the largest source of guns entering Brazil that end up in the hands of armed bandits and drug traffickers, according to a Brazilian Federal Police report. Roughly 1,500 guns originated in the United States out of a study of more than 10,000 arms seized by police since 2014, mostly in Rio de Janeiro, the December 2017 report said, although the guns often traveled through a third country before arriving in Brazil. Read full article

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  • :o))

    What a GREAT piece of “Investigative Journalism”!

    [so what ELSE is NEW?]
    REF:
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5J4hGQvsg1Q/Ts8HYnaKnYI/AAAAAAAAADc/wzbFvVo8hy4/s1600/charge_armas_escola.jpg

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    Get 'm Brasilia!! Knock it out Temer !!! We're rooting for you !! CLEAN BRAZIL OF ARMED VIOLENCE !!!

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    In ANY case, The Organized Crime is better organized than the government and is better armed. They also have everybody under their control by keeping the corrupt in their pockets [or back-packs]. If not from the neighboring countries, they can get the latest, most lethal/powerful arms, one way or another. So, the only “other way” of looking at the “progress” of the Criminal Factions is for: an “Un-Official Population Control”!

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Mason Freeman

    Total anti American Propaganda: There are no unrestricted “legal” guns being sold in the U.S. It's either people in the government ( Fast, and Furious) or a Black market avenue these guns are coming from.

    Jan 11th, 2018 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • :o))

    With/Without the “IMPORTED” Arms:
    REF: The Alert:
    https://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/eua-americanos-devem-aumentar-cuidado-em-viagens-ao-brasil-22275876?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=O%20Globo

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    @Mason-Free, that would be correct. Which is why it is not propaganda. Read the article:
    “The US continues to be the largest indirect source of illegal handguns and assault rifles as a result of unrestricted sales in stores and fairs in American cities,” the report said.
    “Guns from US generally enter Brazil through direct shipments of assembled weapons, of gun parts or indirect shipments through a third country, Paraguay”
    The article is very poor in talking about where the transfer occurs, and does not shed light at all on Brazilian sources, such as their own Military underground “civil level”, Hunting commerce and industry “unregulated venues” etc. So, in a sense you're right. It want's to make it sound like the U.S. is the problem. We can't argue against the article too much however since after all, we ARE the largest arms and weapons producers on the planet... iT'S got tO GO sOMEWHERE ! ... It doesn't all stay in our inner-cities ! ... allthough.......... I would say we are the ones who pay the biggest price.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • YourWorseNightmare

    More British ant Americanism.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Patrick Edgar

    Interesting though how connected it all is . Mt Pleasant is perhaps one of the most extreme examples in these “modern war industry times”, of a completely unnecessary military base, showcasing the complete smörgåsbord of innoble political reasons, diplomatic and cultural harm and provocation, undeserved social insolence and offense this form of industrial capitalism agression afflicts the world with.

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • The Voice

    Mt Pleasant wouldnt even exist if it wasnt for Argentinian aggression in 1982 and the events since then. Particularly in the KFC era thankfully now history. Patrick, I would seek help if I were you, you are totally f#***'d up with a smorgasbord of bile, envy, and misaprehension. Pathetic...

    Jan 12th, 2018 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Patrick Edgar

    So foolishly ignorant . I think silly-putty has more resistance to British militant political social propaganda than your brain does.
    According to your dumb thinking; war, military bases, and weapons production is just a normal element of human civilization that will find a place somewhere, you probably would agree also with “children and innocent people maimed and genocide during military activities are just the natural necessary price countries have to bare the price of in order to secure freedom” I'm pretty sure, after reading your constant brainless replies even without knowing you, a water spill on flat ground is less shallow than you are. Sorry to inform you, but close to the truth is that; trigger, and “savings accounts” happy Britain, could not have more eagerly hopped for an event as perfect as the gullible stupid Generals provided for it to move on in all the way onto the Falklands. It's just matter of studying every other military chapter in history Britain has had in modern times with other countries. Dimwit. I would never expect you to understand the subtle few complexities and particularities of the Falkands Malvinas events since 1980, since your cookie cutter comic book instructed brain simply could never. So I'm not even going to try.

    Jan 13th, 2018 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    Yet another way of looking at the “PROBLEM” is:

    One man's meat is another man's poison - example: Arms Manufacturers/Dealers create jobs and contribute towards the Economies of the Concerned Countries! REF:
    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/0f/40/ee0f40966c0deff576bc2f3512932fcc--gun-control-common-sense.jpg

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Jobs? ... Work?? What strict connections can there significantly be to work / employment from arms manufacturing when work has been are staple day to day activity, next to cooking, building, manufacturing and all that we consume since the dawn of civilization?
    One human being = 7.5 billion human beings when it comes to the humanity and nature of what we do with one another and how we treat each other.
    So you feel a person ought to base his sharing and trading activities with his neighbor based on the manufacture of killing implements?

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Gosh Patrick

    Weapons are produced for peace, not violence. Certainly some radical anarchists illegally use weapons for harm, most individuals use them to keep everyone safe.

    Peace = weapons Violence = lack of weapons to protect against those do..

    Mount Pleasant military base is a symbol of Britain's commitment to peace.

    Apologize for you negative comments!

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Patrick Edgar

    En el espacio de menos de una vida el Mundo por lo que veo, ha girado 180 grados de una gradual ascendencia en inteligencia y sabiduría, hacia una la idiotez estúpida y superficial errante total. Yo no se como ocurrió ni cuando empezó a darse vuelta todo, pero lo que estoy viendo ahora y que parece ser su mas reciente fase, acaba de pasar de la confusión y lo errado, a la inversión completa de la verdad.
    Sigamos tratando de ayudar, que otra cosa se puede hacer !! Algunos lograran agarrarse del bote zozobrado, y ayuda llegará. Asi que prestá atención:

    Critical predicament of human existential order:
    We are all born not needing defense, as you can see human beings are born into the grace of it's intelligence leading its survival as the dominant species of the planet. We have no venom, no menacing saber teeth, no overwhelming muscles to deal with anything dangerous any larger than one of our own infants. We are born to the peace of our families and clan, as the general norm of every day life. We have evolved to this. We are truly our only threat, and as nature and evolution is wise in furthering itself, we first rely on one another and build together with one another, before we ever are subject to the lesser sides of our thinking becoming a problem to each other. Hence where actually our coexistence encounters its first challenge in maintaining the original peace, which is our source. In peace we are created. Fast forward, the reason we resort to a weapon is to fearfully maintain our own peace defensively, not bring shared peace with one another. A situtaion which would not have occured if that other one did not seek overpowering hostility and destructive violence, which is only one step short of having a weapon at hand, and later in hand. Which means, weapons are for destroying peace, not for keeping the peace.
    This is why it is said by some that Britain and other countries “are maintaining the world at war”. Arguably not viciously, but because fearfully they....

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    You were born during the cold war, so I'm surprised you think things were improving during that time. At what point (what decade?) do you think this 180 degree change happened?

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    You've got to understand that weapons are a critical element to maintaining peace. The QUANITY and POWER of these arms is important to mankind. When an imbalance occurs, such as in 1982 when Argentina first took residence in the Falklands, the islanders were hopelessly outnumbered. Today the weapons might of the Falklands balances the Argentines from making another mistake which would cause the death of many Argentines. ...Weapons = peace...

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    You are so wrong. So so wrong.
    ... but I'm tired.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    You are tired of defending the environmental survival of a critical endangered and irreplaceable species due to a group of lazy islanders not following their responsibilities in slaughtering sufficient quantities of seals. Where is your outrage?

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo is just winding you up, Patrick. Ignore him.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    DemonTree is just jealous that I'm reorienting the discussion to important environmental as well as peaceful issues that affect mankind. Where is the humanity in discussing these dreadful threats against world wide peace and maintaining a healthy world balance?

    I repeat that weapons are a critical element to maintaining peace. When an imbalance occurs, people die! That's a solid fact.

    ...Weapons = peace...

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    What maintains the peace, is how we teach and raise each other to think through what learn and say. The whole shabang starts with our emotions and thoughts, then our reasoning and words, then our education makes it “official in our logic” our discussions and physiological actions and behavior fallow, and then we can always think again about how reason or others reason with those words and teachings, before we ever have that off ramp from the high road towards reactive rejection, brute will and primitive combativeness that will lead us to think of making or using, a weapon. Which is just the next stop on a downward spiral. If we were to continue down that spiral and not start missing were we once were, the world would be by now separated into incarcerated slaves and those who are not. .... But all we do dishonorably is flirt with that state by warring, running jails and keeping armies. Which in itself is a reflection or sign of how far we are from desiring to know how to truly love and take care of ourselves as a world, or as a humanity.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    EXACTLY!

    “What maintains the peace, is how we teach and raise each other to think through what learn and say.” The brute will and primitive combativeness of the Argentine invasion in 1982 was because of the Falklands having a tiny military defense.

    Weapons are how to truly love and take care of ourselves as a world, especially humanity.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    It breaks my heart to hear a Chilean want to punish Argentina as a nation and People, for something that one of the continent's dictatorships that occupied our countries did.
    Before I answer I want to correct and fix somethings in what I wrote.
    -
    What maintains the peace, is how we teach and raise each other to think through what we learn and say.
    The whole shabang starts with our emotions and thoughts, then our reasoning and words, then our education makes it “official in our logic”. Our discussions and physiological actions and behavior follow, and then we can always think again about how to reason or others reason with those words and teachings or physiological actions, before we ever have that off ramp from the high road towards reactive rejection, brute will and primitive combativeness that will lead us to think of making or using, a weapon. Which is just the next step on a downward spiral. If we were to continue down that spiral even further than we have, and not start missing were we once were, which thank the grace in our minds always eventually does, the world would be by now separated into incarcerated slaves and a tinny minority who are not. Of course it wouldn’t end there, in truth because we are merely angry that we can’t get it right for love, but also because that being a state of toxic aberration, a deterioration of that minority’s minds would ensue to an abysmal collapse impossible to imagine. .... Yet still, we dishonorably flirt with that orientation by warring, running jails, keeping armies, and abandoning or self flagellating ourselves in silent blind desperation to the demise of millions, which in itself is a reflection or sign of just how far we are from desiring to know how to truly love and take care of ourselves as a world, or as a humanity. No doubt precisely because we are so far from realizing what we could be, that we can’t even perceive, let alone want yet what otherwise would be our alternate orientation or potential.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • :o))

    Like any business; it's a simple matter of:
    - CREATING demand [marketing]
    - MEET the demand [selling]

    According to a wise man with a hell of a lot of an actual experience in “handling” arms:
    - “You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone”.
    - “You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a Smile AND a Gun”.
    : Al Capone

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    Again, many things you post are EXACTLY the reality of mankind.

    It warms my heart to hear an open thinker like yourself want to not punish Argentina as a nation. The Argentine Dictatorship had far more arms than the Falklanders which resulted in many peoples deaths.

    Do you support future idiotic violent confrontations? Of course not, you indeed want peace. That's why the Falklands military presence protects the lives of Argentines...

    I'm glad we finally agree.

    Jan 16th, 2018 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    The Falklanders were not the target dummy!? Or are you just playing stupid?! ... because this is just a game of insolence to you, right??? And why are you trying to make Argentina, which was forcefully occupied by the Junta's take over of their government, own the predicament of its dire fascist dictatorship as if they had voted and cheered it in!!? This is what all the British try to do! And you are just a copy catter. Just so typical! What the %^&! is the matter with your thinking !? ... Argentina was surprised and shocked by the Junta's unilateral newest attack carried out by the Generals. The US and Britain probably new more what the Junta was about to do, than any Argentine did or their own Senators did ! So get it right and quit fabricating antagonistic crap and proliferating propaganda! And don't even try and pull the old “So why were you celebrating on the streets!?” b^&sh^&! As if we were all idiots about understanding human nature... The Junta (not the Constitutional Nation nor the People, by the way) were trying to make good on Argentina's 149 year old sovereignty usurpation by Ms Vicky, or dispute whatever you want to call it, to make themselves look better seeking to absolve themselves as they could already feel the heat heading to a dark place with all the genocidal killings they had perpetrated. It had nothing to do with the islanders. Stop spreading British lying ! The islanders don't possess the islands any more than a citizen from Manchester can go and paint Buckingham Palace bright yellow. So quit trying to make this about the war of 82 or Argentina attacking the poor unsuspecting farmers ! This is about a dispute over an archipelago with Britain. OK? Stop trying to turn it into something else ya bl%^& cheats ! You people don't realize how brilliantly you are all being manipulated to give life to a defensive argument of emotional human rights character, but which in reality is Britain's strategic policy to try and out shout Argentina's protest.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    It's fair to note that the current Argentine Holy Father now visiting Chile has himself recently said that the inhabitants of the Malvinas have the sacred right to determine their own national will. From a course it wouldn’t end there, in truth because you are merely angry that we can’t get it right for love, but also because that being a state of righteous dignity. To equate eliminating guns would result in a deterioration of people of your minority’s mind as well as ensue to an abysmal collapse impossible to imagine. Yet still, you Edgar dishonorably flirt with that orientation.

    Awake to the truth! You have already concluded that you believe that weapons result in peace. Read you previous posts... I have faith you will see your misunderstandings.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    I did warn you. ;)

    “The islanders don't possess the islands any more than a citizen from Manchester can go and paint Buckingham Palace bright yellow.”

    If enough British citizens voted for a party who promised to paint Buckingham Palace bright yellow, then it would be painted yellow.

    “And why are you trying to make Argentina, which was forcefully occupied by the Junta's take over of their government, own the predicament of its dire fascist dictatorship as if they had voted and cheered it in!!?”

    They didn't vote for it, no, but the Junta needed the support of part of the population. Otherwise they wouldn't have bothered starting a war to increase their popularity, and they wouldn't have fallen from power so quickly when they lost both.

    I found a survey showing 26% of people in Argentina would support using military action again to settle the dispute. Not quite the peaceful country you've been claiming.

    Also, it seems a bit unfair to blame Queen Vicky for something that happened when she was 13 years' old and her uncle was King.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    From the top:
    Yes, and that support that implicitly was there in the people, was not about wishing an invasion, it was instead about the political knowledge of history, it was about knowing Britain was using its military will and power to avoid facing Argentina about the dispute. They used the notion of a serious debt owed to Argentina, not a notion of desiring war. Hugs 180 deg difference.
    When was that survey taken? Ill tell you when, it was taken after Thatchers Britain decided to make war on the islands instead if being sensible and realistic by pursuing a different way of dealing with the Junta, it was taken after installing an offensive military base without reason on the islands aiming at and insulting Argentina every day for the last 35 years, it was taken after British people and ex military personnell bully and brag glorifying their warring capacity on facebook for the last 35 years, seeking to humiliate Argentineans on social networks, it was taken after three dacades of culturally and politically propagandistically taking aim at Argentina through publications like Mercopress, and others on the British Isles. The fact is that Britain provokes intentionally to strategically justify agression and blame

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    In a earlier speech, Pope Francis sent his “warm greetings” his fellow Argentines and not to forget to pray for him, in his twenty second apostolic trip. He reminded them to find away to encounter a better relationship with their Mapuche brothers as well as that the inhabitants of the Malvinas have the sacred right to determine their own national will.

    If the Pope decides on the side of peace, why not you as well?

    Mercopress allows free debate from all sides, so why are you so atangonistic?

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    No one wants war for its own sake, Patrick. Every country thinks it had a good reason to go to war. And Britain wasn't using military power to avoid facing Argentina, or they never would have tried invading. Back then Britain was just dragging feet in the talks and using soft power if anything.

    And this is why I say you're biased. If British people support war you say it's cultural. If Argentines support war you have a whole long list of reasons why, and it has to be something external to them. That survey was also taken after Argentina had lost a war and realised it was both unnecessary and counterproductive to their aims. If they had won, I'm sure you'd see a LOT more enthusiasm for military adventures there.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • chronic

    King Nicholas I of Montenegro almost had it right on hand gun control (two hands are indeed better than one).

    Instead of the Gasser it should have been the 1911 in .38 Super.

    But then historical timelines would have to have been fortuitously rewritten.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    Perhaps you don't comprehend my simple message of peace and reason... I find your last comments disrespectful, ignorant and “antangonistic” to the intelligent guidance from DemonTree and myself. Maybe it's because you're an Argentine with a typical thick head. Here's some help, first word to understand is DICTIONARY: antangonisti: The Argentine way for being antagonistic. (anTANGOnistic)

    It just sad you weren't not born in a decent enlightened country like Chile.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    “it was taken after installing an offensive military base without reason on the islands aiming at and insulting Argentina every day for the last 35 years”

    If a small military base with a couple of jet planes and 1000 soldiers has upset Argentina so much, what do you think the effect on Britain has been of knowing there are Soviet nuclear missiles targeting all of our major cities with total destruction since the 1950s? And Russian ones are still pointed at us today.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    Your constant showing or feeling active opposition or hostility towards someone or something and reasoning always astounds me! You have an uncanny ability to look over the sensibility at hand, and the mind of whoever is arguing with you, to just shoot straight past the conversation to be hostile, opposed, inimical, antipathetic, unsympathetic, ill-disposed, resistant and averse, blindly building a reflected opposition which dismembers the noble thinking of who you reject, into isolated sentences separated from the central point.

    Please stop being an “antangonisti” to out desires of peace and harmony. It breaks our hearts you're not Chilean and could be more reasonable.

    DemonTree

    It's no big secret that the Mount pleasant military base on the islands has more than “a couple couple of jet planes” and probably many of those 1000 soldiers are comprised of those bloodthirsty Gurhkas with those nasty knives...
    (Not to mention the effect on Britain has on Argentina being cordoned with submarines armed with nuclear missiles targeting all the Argentine major cities.)
    ...Which is a testament of Britain keeping Argentina docile and thereby protecting humanity in the Southern Hemisphere from unnecessary violence...

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    You're way too good at this, Chicureo. What wine are you enjoying with your tormentation today?

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    In a half an hour, I'll be opening a wonderful 2008 Marques de Casa Concha Cabernet Sauvignon. I won't be the only one sampling it as it's for serving at dinner time. Maybe a glass beforehand will occur...

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    This bull****! This forum is not set up to reply on comments. And obviously you two are using that to try and drive me crazy. I'm over it! The internet is a very big place

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    Calm down and join the peaceful intercourse between free minded individuals. Please stop being an “antangonisti” to out desires of peace and harmony. Your constant showing or feeling active opposition or hostility towards someone or something and reasoning always astounds me! Please stop being an “antangonisti” to out desires of peace and harmony. It breaks our hearts you're not Chilean or British and could be more reasonable.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    Hey, I'm not trying to drive you crazy! I even warned you Chicureo was just winding you up. Or yanking your chain or goading you or whatever it is Americans say.

    I was serious. If having a military base nearby has affected Argentina, wouldn't being threatened with total destruction for decades during the cold war have affected Britain much worse?

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick Edgar

    I don't believe you are a coward are you? just tried to encourage a peaceful intercourse between free minded individuals... Thankfully the Falkland invaders were defeated in 1982 saving countless deaths. Do the Argentines even understand what it means to have sovereignty?

    DemonTree

    Highly recommend Marques de Casa Concha Cabernet. Superb!

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    South American History proves you wrong Chicurreo. South American countries once generally satisfied with their shared boarders stopped fighting. Remove British, American and Russian influences. Today we would be a WAR LESS Continent living in Peace. Pinochet, Galtieri, Allende... and the subversives socialist revolutionaries they fought, all had armament because of those countries. Weapons are created by those who want to overpower others. South America is the pistol whipped Angel being forced to forsake its innocence. You are DEAD wrong ... and a sold out to your own country. I bet you think you are “better” than the average Chilean.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    “South America is the pistol whipped Angel being forced to forsake its innocence.”

    Not biased at all... All those countries got independence from Spain by fighting for it, and most promptly started civil wars afterwards. The innocence is long gone.

    By the way, weapons are mostly created to make money from those willing to buy them.

    Do you think you're better than the average Argentine, Patrick? How about the average American?

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    The history of Latin America wars an revolutions has decimated many of its countries, scarred with the blood of millions of people. The paramount aggressors were Spain and Portugal that destroyed what could be a peaceful coexistence. Yes, the French, the Dutch and to a minor extent, the United States caused many problems as well, but the worst criminals causing violence were and are the Latin Americans themselves.

    Recent wars from the past 100 years include, Ecuador/Peru, Bolivia/Paraguay, El Salvador/Nicaragua, Bolivia/Brazil, Argentina/UK... And then you have all the civil wars and gorilla uprisings, including when the Argentine Air Force attacked its own citizens in Buenos Aries!

    South American History proves you wrong Patrick. Many Latin American countries have never been satisfied with their shared borders, such as Peru/Chile, Mexico/Belize, Nicaragua/Costa Rica, Bolivia/Chile, Argentina/Chile, Venezuela/Guayana, Argentina/UK... For a few...

    Latin America has never stopped fighting amount themselves. Forget about outside influences. Today we would be a WAR LESS Continent living in a more developed society if we have retained our European founders governance.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    You lie through your teeth more than the worse wall street thief !

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Now he realises! And ironically most of that post was actually true. (Especially the gorilla uprisings, damn those genetically engineered apes.)

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    That's all you could say? A childish rhyme? I conclude you're just a typical hardheaded, Gringo/Ital/Argentine, defined as an an “antangonisti” unwilling to accept the simple truth. Latins as you know are passionate and tend to commit violence.

    Jan 17th, 2018 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    You're beyond help. youve accepted and have been indoctrinated by your kidnappers. So disappointing !

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What about me, Patrick? Am I beyond help too?

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Patrick Edgar

    Los hermanos sean unidos!!! No creemos antagonismos sociales donde no existen gente. El “racismo” es un invento segregacionista cívico-político, no existe como razonamiento lógico. Nuestras características sean cuales sean, son humanas. Es una mentira para que la gente se agreda.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    I'm glad you've learned the word of ANTANGONISTI in your writing. Does the arming of mankind for security still work? Sort of. It’s not guaranteed, and it sort of depends on your position and where you live. There are still plenty of leftist institutions that will want guns elimination for this and give you a false sense of peace. On the other hand, there are no leftist institutions that are not buying vast numbers of weapons and frankly, they all seem to be in crisis. On the other hand, humans are odd creatures, and we change our mindset very slowly if at all.

    Which brings us to this: Weapons are Peace!

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Mankind will start seeing a glimmer of its own enlightenment and thus its first and true genuine hope, they day it acknowledgingly confronts the truth that its civilization has always failed it, and has always rolled into the gutter of its even best throws. Less in the Sciences, mostly Politically, Economically and Institutionally, especially Judicially, not to mention the unnecessary Military... all except Education, which barely gets a passing grade. Heed this greatest and most accurate description of everything every country has done and is still doing, and only then will our efforts reward our true potential.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Er, was that a yes or a no?

    @Chicureo
    War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength?

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    You are a different matter DT. You ARE British correct? ... You're the landlord providing the kidnappers their lair . The citizens are the victims of their own really bad, or mean, governments. ... similar to children, who cant help but love their parents until they're gone and only then, when it was the case, that they fuc*** up their lives. Well, we supposedly choose our governments, but the vast and overwhelming reality actually is that each one of us in born into a “not having done anything at all about choosing it” and when we have a little part in finally changing it, it probably means that millions have already left the world having spent their whole lives suffering that government. And you maybe are lucky if in your life time witness the end of one and the beginning of the next.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    Yes, we agree, and this supports that implicitly was there in the people, was not about wishing an invasion, it was instead about the political knowledge of history, it was about knowing Argentina was using its military will and power to avoid facing Britain about the dispute. They used the notion of avoiding serious debt owed to Argentina, not a notion of desiring war was better than facing their debt.

    When was that decision taken? It was taken after Thatchers Britain decided to make positive negotiations on the islands future being sensible and realistic by pursuing a different way of dealing with the Junta. Yet it was taken after installing a defensive military base with reason on the islands arming and protecting the Falklanders in 1982.

    In the last 35 years, it was taken after British people and ex military personnell bully and brag glorifying their warring capacity on facebook for the last 35 years, seeking to humiliate Argentineans on social networks, it was taken after three dacades of culturally and politically propagandistically taking aim at Argentina through publications like Mercopress, and others on the British Isles. The fact is that Britain provokes intentionally to strategically justify agression and blame!

    DemonTree

    Yes, sort of...

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @PE
    “You're the landlord providing the kidnappers their lair.”

    What, me personally? I was thinking of trying buy to let, but I changed my mind due to the Brexit.

    Who are the kidnappers in this scenario? Chicureo?

    I didn't choose my government, did you choose Trump?

    @Chicureo
    And we've always been at war with East... er, Eurasia.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    Oh mirror mirror .... Famed was thy beauty, and gone to deceit your righteousness indeed. Thus behold, a lovely people I see. Alas, they are now the fairest one of all, and fairer than thee for their truth is to be good, you see.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick

    The Argentine government has complete political power in the present, enabling it to control the way in which Argentines think about and interpret the past: every history book reflects Peronist ideology, and individuals are forbidden from keeping mementos of their own 1982 war pasts, such as photographs and documents. As a result, the citizens of Argentina have a very short, fuzzy memory, and are willing to believe anything that the Peronist party tells them. In the second appearance of this quote, Cristina's Malvinas dogma in the past with no concrete existence and that it is real only in the minds of human beings. She was essentially arguing that because the Party’s version of the past is what people believe, that past, though it has no basis in real events, has become the truth.

    Patrick, war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength.

    DemonTree

    Your giving away the chase again...

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Patrick Edgar

    WAKE UP !!! CHICURREO !!! WAKE UP !! SOMEONE BRING A BUCKET OF COLD WATER QUICK !! CHICURREO !!! CAN YOU HEAR ME!!???? WAKE UP !!! SNAP OUT OF IT !! OH GOD ! WE LOST HIM ! CHICURREOOO!!!! CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING !!? COME ON PLEASE WAKE UP !

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Sorry, I'm too soft. And I have no idea at all what his last comment meant.

    @PE
    You're an American, did you vote for Trump?

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Patrick, what part of me explaining war is peace freedom is slavery ignorance is strength? There is serious intelligent proof that this results in a happier populace.
    Calm down and ponder the real truth. Please try to see the light.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo, I've worked it out; he wants you to do the ice bucket challenge. Don't forget to film it and put it on Youtube for the edification of the masses. Though maybe Neknominate would be more up your street...

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Neknominate was a new word for me. My maximum enforced limit by my vigilant wife is a half a bottle of wine. Most days I stay even less.
    Patrick wants to spread manure on his golden field of senseless rhetoric...

    Patrick

    You are a coward, unable to defend yourself.

    Jan 18th, 2018 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Neknominate is a stupid thing which I have never done because I'm ever so sensible and mature. :)

    Half a bottle of wine is very reasonable, but it's a pain because I hate being left with the other half the next day. Getting wasted has lost its appeal as I've got older.

    You know, I just said that about nuclear missiles to contradict Patrick's point, but now I'm wondering if the cold war did have an effect. Knowing your world could end at any moment because some idiot got jumpy... but people just get used to it, and it's not like you can really do anything. I dunno.

    Jan 19th, 2018 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I think this thread is retired.

    Jan 19th, 2018 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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