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Falklands' second commercial air-link: interest from several Brazilian airlines
The Director of Aviation at Aviation Economics Joanna Hunt commenting on the progress of a second commercial air-link to the Falkland Islands has confirmed there has been interest from airlines. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell, what do you know! A direct flight to Brazil will do the Bloggs family nicely. I guess no commercial company is going to offer such a service if they can't see a business case and FIG started meetings with those companies about two years ago so they would have already had plenty of time to do their homework.
Mar 09th, 2018 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse +1Time will tell.
Yes Joe- started 2 years ago and the link favoured by FCO in London. monthly stopover-initially in Mar del Plata as near flightline. Then after a while Arg suggests to airline-much more profitable and you can drop prices and we can subsidize you to make monthly stop-over in Buenos Aires instead. Then a year or so later- lets make each flight via Buenos Aires- and airline gets lots of nice juicy “prime-time” slots in Buenos Aires for its other longhaul international flights - and Argentina then has the Falklands by the short and curlies - and lo and behold- Arg(as a Thankyou to the FCO) arranges nice juicy post brexit free trade deal with Mercosur and UK.
Mar 09th, 2018 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. Islander1...
Mar 09th, 2018 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Poignant..., piquant... and peppery ad usual...
Speaking about poignant, piquant and peppery...
Did you ever Think about planting some hot Peppers in them Islands...?
With those changing demographics..., it should be a market for some spicy ones...
And..., with some smart renaming..., you could quite easily sell them to the Cruise Lines...
What about a locally grown Carolina Reaper becoming a Gran Malvina Reaper...?
Or a Trinidad Moruga Scorpion renamed as Malvinas Moruga Scorpion...?
Or, me personal favourite., the Naga Viper as a Puerto Estanley Viper...?
THINK about it...
El Think...
Think- Been growing Chillies of several varieties for years! Marketed under correct English names of course.A little yellow chappie is the nuclear killer(hmm- maybe could word it better in this dodgy world!)
Mar 09th, 2018 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Think is getting closer to losing his bet...
Mar 09th, 2018 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Islander1
Can the airline change the route unilaterally? Surely your government would need to agree to it? But we don't even know if they would allow a stop in BS or not, AFAIK they haven't said.
As for the chillies, I grow them in my conservatory so I'd assume you need a greenhouse down there? How about calling them:
Falklands Firecracker
Harrier Hot One
The Goose Green
You should really sell more Falklands branded products just to annoy Argentina (well, and to make money).
Mr. Timslander1....
Mar 09th, 2018 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I do not want to sound haughty..., Chay...
Nothing further from me mild personality..., but....
What's so “Nuclear Killer” about that bland..., tame..., yellowish vegetable you call “Chile”...
I would grade them..., being very polite..., to some 200,000 Scoville...
That was OK some 20 years ago..., matey...
Today we..., the market..., want our Capsaicinoids to be well over the million...
Mr. DemonTree...
Must I tell you that in order for me to lose any bet..., there must be a taker for such...
Did you just...?
@Think
Mar 09th, 2018 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True, but you can still be wrong, and you do always sound so haughty. ;)
Also, I don't see the point of the really hot peppers, they just burn so much you can't taste anything else. They're only useful for idiots who want to do dares.
Rookie...
Mar 09th, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Really? I didn't think Argentina was big with the spicy food, it's not Mexico.
Mar 09th, 2018 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One of my colleagues did a 'hot wings challenge' which had those ghost peppers on. They gave him rubber gloves and made him sign a disclaimer, and he wolfed them down and then turned white and started sweating. After he'd recovered enough to move, he had to go home and missed the rest of the night out. Maybe if you used a really tiny amount you could put them in normal food, but why bother?
The thing I'd like to know is how to get them more consistent. Whenever I grow chillies they always turn out really variable; one will blow your head off and the next isn't hot at all, despite coming from the same plant.
Brown thumbed rookie... ;-)
Mar 09th, 2018 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Heh, brown thumbed is when your plants die. At my last job they gave everyone a succulent in a tiny pot. Within a year 95% were dead, it was sad. I took some leaves from the dying plants, now I have 5 different plants growing in my window at home, and two of them recently flowered. I did grow some chillies from Peru that had purple flowers, and they were uniformly very hot, but I prefer mild chillies because I like to taste the food rather than just pain.
Mar 09th, 2018 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +1All this interest ........ maybe there'll be two new routes ?
Mar 10th, 2018 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 10th, 2018 - 05:47 am - Link - Report abuse -1Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 10th, 2018 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse -1Beige thumbed rookie... ;-)
Mr. Roger Lorton...
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure..., copper...
Next station Puerto Estanley... Travelcard Zone 4,000... Mind the gab... ;-)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Wimbledon_tube_station#/media/File%3ASouth_Wimbledon_stn_northbound_look_south.JPG
Mme. Clem...
It may be less...;-)
LOL. couldn't resist Think, but with all this interest, who can tell?
Mar 10th, 2018 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Think
Mar 10th, 2018 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0After the 43rd tube extension project:
https://i.imgur.com/Xc74aEP.jpg
And why do you reply to the spambot? When I'm your age it'll still be 25 years away... except England will have nothing to do with it because they'll be independent by then.
Think- we have to be commercial about it - and grow the varieties we know we can sell to caterers here- and cruise and fishing vessels etc. The Koreans like hot chillies in bulk - but not too hot!
Mar 10th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Demon tree- Now that is an idea- keep some seed off a few and then I can indeed name it as grown here from seed grown here!
Our local brewer is already on to that- Rockhopper Gold- Longdon Pride- and also - Iron Lady are some of his brews.
Yes a change in route of the flight would have to be approved by FIG - but once operating for a couple of years and people seeing and experiencing the economic gain etc etc - could well become harder for some to then say no - stop it instead.
Argentina is not always stupid - they know the game and sometimes how to play it.
@Islander1
Mar 10th, 2018 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go for it! If you let them cross-pollinate maybe you could develop something new and interesting? I'm sure you can have fun coming up with names, like the brewer.
Speaking of brewing, can you grow barley and hops locally or do they have to be imported? I heard the soil there isn't the best, and the islands also don't get much sun (though nor do we here, sadly).
You have a point about it being much harder to give up the flight once you have it. But if it was profitable as-is, then surely the company would keep running it even if the FIG refused to let them move the stop to BA? Has Argentina ever put pressure on LAN to get the existing flight to call at Rio Gallegos weekly instead of monthly?
So, growing chilies may attract parasites? Something to Think about ;-)
Mar 10th, 2018 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A catchy name for a new and spicy Falkland/Malvinas Chilli hybrid...:
Mar 10th, 2018 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -1***** “5 F's” *****
***** = (Furious Fifties Fiery Falkland Fkuckers ;-)
Roger,
Mar 10th, 2018 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we import a friendly Chilean mite - plays hell with the red spider mites wherever they come from!
DemonTree- Correct soil here very acidic and no decent source of lime locally and expensive to ship in. Sunshine hours actually good - similar to south of Englan, but we have low night temps even in summer and windy so not commercially viable to grow barley and to windy for hops as well so all ingredients imported.
Not ALL ingedients...
Mar 11th, 2018 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Water is local...
That sounds like a pain, there are plants that prefer an acid soil of course, but I can't think of too many crops that do, except blueberries. Can't you get lime from South America somewhere?
Mar 11th, 2018 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a shame all the ingredients have to be imported, can you not plant hedges to act as a wind break or will those not grow either? And do you get frosts even in summer? That would really suck.
Think- fair enough- splitting hairs- well pints perhaps!
Mar 11th, 2018 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse +1Demon Tree- overlooked- as far known Arg never pressurized Lan to call at RGL weekly- am sure Lan would have resisted as not economic or practical most of the time. Krissy Kirschener did try pressure on Chilean Govt to get Lan to drop the entire flight - Govt told her Lan was a commecial operator and not Chilean Govt,s job to interfere - BUT - if Arg wished to withdraw the overflight right and thus PREVENT Lan from flying to Falklands - that would be her decision and nothing Chile could then do.
Krissy then backed off as she did not want to get the subsequent Int flack - being the dictatorial coward - she wanted others to do her dirty work instead!
Mr.Timlander...
Mar 11th, 2018 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse -1Of course it is “fair enough”...
94% of the contents of a beer bottle is water...;-)
By the way..., just for your kind info..., your “local” brews..., Rockhopper Gold..., Longdon Pride..., and even that Iron Lady get their good taste from hops...
ARGENTINEAN HOPS FROM CHUBUT... ;-)))
But don't take me word for it...
Just ask your friendly local brewer...
And when he tells you that them hops are from Shile...
Try googleing how much hops they produce nowadays in Shile...;-)))
Cheers...
And to think that all the gossip on here is about Chillies and I thought the subject was about an additional flight to the FALKLANDS, silly me!
Mar 11th, 2018 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Islander1
Mar 11th, 2018 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0You think this would be different because a weekly stop in BA *would* be economic for the airline? With 1/3rd of the Arg population living in the province and probably the richest third at that, there could be a lot more demand, and a lot more Arg tourists arriving. Not exactly a good thing.
Good for Chile telling CFK to do her own dirty work. When charter flights were allowed, did they depart from Argentina too? I think I remember reading that veterans and families of the dead soldiers came on charter flights until the K's cut them off.
@Think
For all you know they import them from Britain, we grow plenty of hops in Kent. According to the internet the best hop growing region in Chubut is practically in Chile anyway. ;) But isn't Chubut also supposed to be windy? How do they cope with it there?
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 11th, 2018 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse -11) I happen to know a bit about the local hops... and where it ends...
2) Lots of sunny & sheltered Cwm Hyfryds in Chubut...
3) Other questions..., laddie...?
Where what ends? Do you mean where the hops end up? They can't export them to the Falklands directly so I guess they'd have to be exported to Chile and then re-exported if anyone wanted to buy them in the islands.
Mar 11th, 2018 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are those coombes near the Andes? There's no really big mountains on the Falklands so no good valleys either I guess.
And yeah I have another question: did you ever try any of those Falkland brews Rockhopper Gold, Longdon Pride, and Iron Lady?
Nosy fellla ya ar'..., laddie...
Mar 11th, 2018 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Asking about an auld mans drinking habits...
You should be ashamed of yourself..., young man...
I've built a fedge and been swimming, so I've feeling pretty pleased with myself actually, :)
Mar 11th, 2018 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think,
Mar 12th, 2018 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have no problem with origen of the hops. They would have to be imported into Chile first - and Arg Govt would not prepare and issue the very necessary International Phytosanitary Certificate to be shipped direct.
Demon tree- no never were charter flights as such from Argentina. Pre 1999 Arg veterans and families had to come on very occasional ICRC Charters from Argentina - since the 1999 Agreement they can now come weekly via Chile or once a month each way the same Latam flight operates via Rio Gallegos.
@Islander1
Mar 12th, 2018 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, okay. I wonder if one of the reasons CFK didn't ban the LAN flight was because she didn't want the veterans and families blaming her? But they might also have blamed her if she'd succeeded in pressuring Chile to end then, so I don't know.
Charter flights would be better than another regular flight, right? Would you agree to allow charter flights from Arg if they allowed them from other countries again, or would that be a big no?
Ahhhh... the irony of it all...
Mar 12th, 2018 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Even the Malvinas Iron Lady got Argie hops in her...
Yet another great step for Kelper integration with their Latino destiny...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Does that mean we'll all be integrating with China soon? Practically everything I buy seems to be made there.
Mar 12th, 2018 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh...,boy... Ohhhh..., boy...
Mar 13th, 2018 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse -2If you can't see the irony of a Falklandist microbrewer naming his otherwise quite unremarkable products with bellicose 1982 references like ***“Longdon Pride”*** or ***“Iron Lady”*** (he forgot to use “Got Cha”...) whilst pouring Argentinean hops down the throats of his unsuspecting Engrish customers..., then..., I must conclude that you must have been contagiated by the same condition that afflicts The Voice..., Terence Hill ..., et al...
Hopefully it ain't irreversible...
Oh, and where did I say it wasn't ironic?
Mar 13th, 2018 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0But it's not as ironic as the old Carlsberg Export ads: “So good, the Danes hate to see it leave*”
* Brewed in Northampton
It's through your own choice that you can't sell them more products anyway.
Lad...
Mar 13th, 2018 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Leave”...?
Ya mean...: “Return”...
- Northampton..., good auld Viking Country... ;-)
Vikings are a bit thin on the ground there these days, maybe you should visit. I'm told their Tuborg is better than Carlsberg if you do though.
Mar 13th, 2018 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Carsberg & Tuborg...
Mar 13th, 2018 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Boths are horse manure...
Not even fit for a rabid Engrish dog...
Brewed on raw grain..., not barley..., sacrilege..., I say
For a rabid Danish dog, surely? The UK is rabies free.
Mar 13th, 2018 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you mean raw grain? Not malted? There's nothing wrong with wheat beer.
Wuff Wuff..
Mar 13th, 2018 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lager is shit… gassy acid crap.
Laddie...
Mar 13th, 2018 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly... the UK is NOT..., i repeat..., NOT rabies free...
Secondly... i mean raw grain as in using maize..., rice... or even potatoes to brew a beverage that disrespects one of the most important commandments...:Das Reinheitsgebot von 1516...
Thirdly..., lager is the best when properly made...
Potatoes, seriously? That's not a grain at all. Surely it would taste totally different if you used any of those as the main ingredient?
Mar 13th, 2018 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you'll have to argue with each other over whether lager or ale is better; trees don't drink beer.
Well... lad...
Mar 13th, 2018 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's exactly the sort of things they put in the cheap Carlsbergs and Tuborgs...., puajjjjj....
And trees do drink a lot of beer..., after we lads 'ave “processed” it and find a fine exemplar of your species to relieve ourselves...
Yuk yuk, but with the Carlsbergs of the world there's not much difference before and afterwards.
Mar 13th, 2018 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 14th, 2018 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the UK is NOT..., i repeat..., NOT rabies free…”
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
Well..., well..., well....
Mar 14th, 2018 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have above a perfect example of what diferentiates an Anglo Turnip from an Anglo Non-turnip...
Whilst the former... (Turnip Terence Hill) doesn't check nor accepts facts..., he wholeheartedly strikes mindlessly on my *Black Klinkhammer...
*(Cue...: Black as a bat)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rabies-in-bats#history
The latter..., (Mr. DemonTree)..., on the other hand..., checks and accepts facts..., wholeheartedly adopting the auld Engrish stiff upper lip tradition of keeping calm and ignoring his previous misconception..., not to embarras himself...;-)
I should've checked before I posted. I had an idea it was present in bats but I thought it was a technicality because it was so rare and no one had ever caught it that way. Turns out some poor fool did in 2003:
Mar 14th, 2018 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/aug/24/health.healthandwellbeing2
What a horrible way to go.
In addition to Rabies Zika is present in Argentina. The PHAC and WHO recommend the following vaccines for Argentina: typhoid, cholera, yellow fever, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, rabies, measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) and influenza.
Mar 14th, 2018 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Horseshit disease is quite common, as ably demonstrated by Twinkle.
Well..., well..., well....(bis)
Mar 14th, 2018 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have above ..., again..., a perfect example of what diferentiates an Anglo Turnip from an Anglo Non-turnip...
Whilst the latter... (Turnip The Voice)..., only argument seems to be to compare the sad remains from his once glorious British Empire to a fringe Country at the end of the World...
The formerr..., (Mr. DemonTree)..., confronted with the futility of the traditional Engrish stiff upper lip approach..., adopts the most civilized attitude of minimizing any eventual dent on his image by telling things as they were...
I'm not sure I like this...
Mar 14th, 2018 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Think, what differentiates Argie Turnips from Argie Non-turnips?
@TV
Did you get all those before you visited? You must have felt like a pincushion. Plus, the ones that aren't free are expensive.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 14th, 2018 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You ask...:
DemonTree
I'm not sure I like this...
***“ What differentiates Argie Turnips from Argie Non-turnips? ”***
I say...:
You tell me..., boy...
You have communicated plenty with both of them in here... Enough to form an opinion..., I THINK...
What..., for example..., differentiates Argie Turnip pgerman from Argie Sr. Enrique Massot...?
That time when Juan Perón decorated Francisco Franco... not.
Mar 14th, 2018 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2017/05/20/macri-returns-from-beijing-with-us-17bn-for-infrastructure-and-energy-projects/comment
”a perfect example of what diferentiates an Anglo Turnip from an Anglo Non-turnip...
Mar 14th, 2018 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst the latter... (Turnip The Voice)… .”
Here boy… have a bone…
Poor old Twinkle, first I am the latter, a non turnip, then I am a turnip! He seems to be cracking up, powers of expression failing, getting confused. More horseshit! ;-))))))
And, for the record I never compared the UK with Argieland, just pointed out which immunisations are recommended should you visit. And, because I have visited 45 countries I have probably been immunised against practically everything. My abiding memory is the police escorting me into Mendoza on my bike because they thought I would be attacked and robbed. Worse things than Rabies.
Well..., well..., well....
Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Will Mr Think prefer to adopt a stiff upper lip, keep calm and ignore his error, so as not to embarrass himself... or adopt the most civilised attitude of minimising any eventual dent on his image by admitting to it? ;)
@TV
Yeah, sure, you weren't comparing them at all. And after visiting 45 countries you're still jealous of my skiing trip?
But as for this: “they thought I would be attacked and robbed. Worse things than Rabies.” Do you think about what you're saying at all? Brassica rapa for sure.
Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“the UK is NOT..., i repeat..., NOT rabies free… doesn't check nor accepts facts.” Why would I when the onus is entirely yours? Incidentally, a fact |fakt| noun “a thing that is known or proved to be true:”
“An assertion is a statement offered as a conclusion without supporting evidence. since an argument is defined as a logical relationship between premise and conclusion, a simple assertion is not an argument.”
Ignoring the Burden of Proof h ttp://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
“Why would I when the onus is entirely yours?”
Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2So as not to make yourself look like an even bigger fool than you already are? Never mind, I guess that's impossible.
Poodle, no jealousy its just that you plead poverty and then afford to go skiing? Cant be taken seriously. Go for a bike ride, its inexpensive!
Mar 14th, 2018 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Snowflake, when did I plead poverty? And I go for plenty of bike rides - in summer. Not much point when it's dark and rainy.
Mar 15th, 2018 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse -2Mr.DemonTree...
Mar 15th, 2018 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse -1Which error am I suppose to ignore...?
My reference to the “latter” and the “former” in my (bis) comment were about the position of your respective posts...
Turnip The Voice posted last..., ergo I denominated him as the latter...
You posted first..., ergo I denominated you as the former...
Anything wrong with it...?
“ when did I plead poverty? And I go for plenty of bike rides - in summer. Not much point when it's dark and rainy.” Wimp!
Mar 15th, 2018 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Twinkle, his mistake occurred at birth… ;-)
@Think
Mar 15th, 2018 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure it was... ;)
@TV
Back when I didn't have a car I indeed cycled home in the dark and the rain and I didn't enjoy it one bit. Now I only cycle for fun, so I only cycle when it is fun.
And you haven't said when I 'pled poverty'. Couldn't find anything? I reckon you thought I must be poor because of my political views, because obviously they can only be due to self interest. Strangely enough I care about whether other people can find jobs and afford to buy a house and have a decent life, even if I already have those things.
Professor Marcelo
Mar 15th, 2018 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you going to publish your report on your very poorly attended meeting this week in Stanley before you leave or after you are safely back on home soil? When you choose to publish it will say a lot about the credibility of your report. I mean if you are going to distort the facts and talk about large crowds attending and agreeing with you, etc. you'd likely wait until you were home for that. None of the propaganda merchants who come here publish their BS until they are safely away- cowards. If you choose to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you may as well publish it now.
Ah, RL was talking about that. Were you there? We were wondering what his 20 point plan was.
Mar 15th, 2018 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Virtually nobody went. I've heard between two and ten including a couple of press and a couple of his fellow Argentines. There are about 70 Argentines here at present for various different reasons and not even any of them wanted to know about his meeting. He asked for an audience with Gilbert House but they told him it would be pointless because his work didn't observe the facts so there could be no prospect of finding any common ground starting from that basis.
Mar 15th, 2018 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Harsh. I almost feel sorry for him. Almost.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guess we'll have to wait for him to do the same presentation in BA, I'm sure the Argentine press will be more interested.
Hmm, and is he stuck there for the rest of the week? Wonder what he'll spend his time doing?
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 16th, 2018 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
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