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“Malouines to Malvinas” exhibition in Ushuaia Museum
Next Thursday the Ushuaia museum in Tierra del Fuego will open an exhibition titled “From Malouines to Malvinas”, depicting history since the French occupation of the Falklands in the XVIIIth century to the first Argentine governor of the Islands. Read full article
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Mar 23rd, 2018 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse +7All 3 years of? 1764 to 1767? Hope the museum has something else on show.
Museum of the mythical Malvinas? Just the place to display a waxwork of Think, on second thoughts stuff the original and display that!
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse +8Section I, of the Argentine Constitution affirms a ''legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas...as they are an integral part of the national territory'. Over many generations, history and geography text books particularly have reinforced this belief, relying primarily on the principle of uti possidetis juris (as you possess under the law), ( A Geopolitical Perspective on Argentina's Malvinas/Falkland Claims, Keeling D.J. quoting Daus, F.A. Geografia de la Argentina, Buenos Aires, 1984).
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse +1Falklands - Argentina's Imaginary Territory (1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/35715281/Falklands_Argentinas_Imaginary_Territory
Are those bars on the windows of that museum? There must be a statue of Jeremy Clarkson inside.
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Jackanory.......jackanory.......jackanory.........
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkM12arO-_4
;-D
Deluded idiotic nation - the one that celebrates the day it started a War - it then LOST!!
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +5What a nonsensical event! Dream on, Nabos!
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Britain's version of world history looks something like the wandering pattern of lawnmower after its driver passed out drunk at the wheel.
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Hey Roger
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -6How about...
...depicting the history of the British occupation of the Falklands in the XVIIIth century
All 4 years of it 1766 to 1770...
1766 to 1774 Voice - I have ;-)
Mar 23rd, 2018 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +7https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/1748-to-1774.pdf
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
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Mar 24th, 2018 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ voice
Mar 24th, 2018 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +5Hey Voice, how about buying a pocket calculator for working out the number of years between 1766 and 1774?
Then look in Roger's timeline to see how there was a constant British commercial presence around the Falkland Islands along with a British survey by ship, without any interference from Spain.
@Patrick Edgar
“Britain's version of world history looks something like the wandering pattern of lawnmower after its driver passed out drunk at the wheel.”
You appear to be confused with the drunken fantasy worlds dreamed up by Argentina, that conveniently 'forget' parts of Falkland Islands history it doesn't like, then uses what parts it warps, to indoctrinate Argentine schoolchildren in the time honoured Argentine way that Peron learned from Mussolini and Adolf Hitler.
For instance Argentina never mention the butchering of Mestivier (and even he was a Frenchman)by his' elite 'convict military in December 1832, with the subsequent rape of his wife, preferring instead to imply in a fairy tale, la la land , wispy dreamtime, manner, that Argentina's 'administration' was orderly and peaceful and in no way alarmed the civilian settlers.
When in fact the crew of a French whaler were needed to subdue the mutineers as the United Provinces militia (what was left of them), couldn't handle it.
In fact a parody of your shambolic performance in 1982.
Heard of the saying, “ A leopard never changes its spots”?
Orderly peaceful United Provinces administration in 1832-1833?
More like a fairy tale Argentine piece of satiric comedy
Patrick, you are close to getting your own waxwork too, keep it up…
Mar 24th, 2018 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I don't believe the Argentine deny any of that, it simply has little to do with the substance in the rightful claim of possession The United Provinces had to The Malvinas.
Mar 24th, 2018 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -8What rightful claim would that be Pat?
Mar 24th, 2018 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Hey Pete...they were not there 1766 to 1774...
Mar 24th, 2018 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Jan 1766...then kicked out july 14th 1770...
...allowed to return Sept 16th 1771
Left May 10th 1774...
...and somehow this constitutes the claim for the whole archipelago...
If you can't see that there is something wrong with that then you must surely be blind...or patriotically blind...
Actually, the claim to the whole archipelago goes right back to 1594. Byron mentioned it specifically when he 'reclaimed' in 1765 and as Spain recognised that it should not have ejected the British, that 1770/71 gap does not count for much. And then of course, there's 1833 to 2018.
Mar 24th, 2018 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +41594 is linked to 1765 which was referred to in the enquiry in Britain in 1789 and was behind Britain's refusal to the French in 1801 - all of which supported the protest and warning of 1829 + 1832 and led directly to the ejection of the trespassers in 1833 - and here we are now.
“somehow” doesn't do it justice Voice.
And no, I do not see anything wrong but I do see a consistent thread involving Britain and Spain. Spain still claimed in 1833 but did not protest the British action.
Argentina was never in the game.
Are you mad...? the only trespassers in 1833 were the British...the British had never previously set foot on East Falkland...legitimately settled by the French and legitimately bought by the Spanish and therefore legitimately settled by the United Provinces after the Spanish abandoned it...
Mar 25th, 2018 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse -5In 1833 Spain still claimed South America did they protest the Vernet Settlement...?
BTW 1594 is irrelevant no claim without settlement...
Discovery can not be proved and without settlement doesn't mean Jack shit!!! No where in any of your spiel have I seen one legitimate entitlement to East Falkland other than land piracy...
You know it...I know it and anyone with half a brain knows it!!!
Also you really stretch the imagination to try and imply that Port Egmont included West Falkland there was no fort, no gardens absolutely zilch on West Falkland from the British..your inclusion of more than Saunders Island is based on the ignorance of the Spanish when they mistakenly mistook the location of the island, you have not shown one shred of evidence that the British claimed more than Falkland Isle...(Saunders)
Also there is not one shred of evidence that anything more than the fort, gardens and buildings were restored to them...
Britain was never in the game before 1833...they were an also ran...
Unproven sightings...then hidden clandestine settlement... then kicked into touch...
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Mar 25th, 2018 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse -5Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Mar 25th, 2018 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse +4“San Lorenzo works against Argentina: “... an extra secret article removed the restriction on new establishments if any other power did make an establishment south of ”the parts of those coasts already occupied“ by Spain. In the late 1820s, Argentina did in fact form an establishment at Port Louis in the Falklands, south of coastal areas already occupied by Spain in 1790. By a strict interpretation of the Nootka Sound Convention, Britain therefore became entitled to form an establishment in the Falklands as soon as Argentina had become established there.
Argentine historian Diego Luis Molinari believes that the secret clause in the Nootka Sound Convention was specifically put in by Britain with the Falklands in mind, and that Britain's reassertion of sovereignty in 1833 ... ...was an exercise of Britain's rights under this clause. In the opinion of Professor Dolzer, the Nootka Sound Convention was a purely bipartite agreement between Britain and Spain, which means that Argentina could not benefit from its provisions in any way. ...”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
Unfortunately, for you the UK doesn’t have to answer that desperately shrill belated piece of sophism. As RL has stated international law correctly “Argentina was never in the game”.
Voice - are you mad?
Mar 25th, 2018 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse +5Britain claimed the whole archipelago, as did Spain. Spain still claimed in 1833, but did not protest thereafter to Britain. Why would they protest the Vernet settlement? As far as Spain was concerned, the United Provinces still belonged to them.
I agree that if there had been an ICJ in 1833 Spain would undoubtedly have been declared to have the better claim to East Falkland if not the whole archipelago, but Argentina would still not have been considered relevant. Spain did not recognise an inheritance. Britain did not recognise and inheritance, and international law - what little there was of it - didn't recognise an inheritance either.
Argentina are still not relevant, as they clearly have no move left.
Port Egmont was all water, and yes, there were building on the other islands, including West Falkland, that surrounded it. Marked on the chart. This was recognised by Spain in the 1771 convention. Spain did not 'mistake' anything - they knew that Port Egmont was West Falkland. After all, it was Spain that named the two main Islands - Britain had not and Britain did not mention any names in its acceptance of the Spanish capitulation.
Go check the 1771 chart.
Britain was Spain's contestant in the Falklands throughout the period 1767 (when Spain arrived) and 1833, when Britain won the game.
It's easy enough, even for your half-brain.
And yet ... there is a real ongoing dispute. There is a territorial conflict between Argentina and UK recognized and registered at the U.N. and the Decolonization commitee. There are many countries that take the Argentine position and stand against British invasive expansionism, there is recognition regularly quieted in the British government itself of “something” favoring Argentina undermining of the legitimacy of British claim. Roger Lorton, what exactly are you suggesting? ... Everything in favor of Argentina is invented fantasy? The Argentine have somehow devised an unstoppable bullshit machine? Hidden crazy people arrayed yet sinisterly coordinated among the Argentine and British governments seeking to give UK a hard time just for the fun of it? I have a better answer. Deep seeded cultural disparaging and insolent bigotry on behalf of you and your culture against Spanish countries, fueling a tireless march of mocking prejudices and lying antagonisms in all political or social matters that have any two countries of our two cultures face off. This aspect joins other ones, subtly tucked away behind your country's contempt for most countries in the world maintaining it with a constant provision of self destructive armament and reasons to war.
Mar 25th, 2018 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -7PE
Mar 25th, 2018 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Please show me any binding UN resolution that mentions a 'territorial conflict between Argentina and the UK'.
There is no such thing as the “UN Decolonization Committee”, What I assume you are talking about is the “UN Special Committee on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”.
As Argentina claims that the Falkland Islanders are not 'a people' but a bunch of untermenschun squatters then clearly, using Argentine logic this 'committee' has no remit with regards to the Falkland Islands. You will also notice that the name of the committee also states 'Granting of Independence' - no mention of transfer of sovereignty.
As my old Granny would have said “you're sticking feathers together and hoping for a duck”.
If your paranoia makes you believe that there is a 'Deep seeded (presumably you meant 'seated') cultural disparaging and insolent bigotry on behalf of you and your culture against Spanish countries' then I suggest you seek immediate medical assistance as you are clearly out of touch with reality.
I’m sorry but there is no sovereignty problem with regards to the Falkland Islands except in the minds of nationalistic Argentines in as much as the Falkland Islanders, whether you like it or not are entitled to self-determination and they have made it abundantly clear via the referendum of a few years ago that they wish to retain their links with the UK. There isn’t a problem to solve and the future of the Falkland Islands has nothing whatsover to do with Argentina.
It is obvious to everyone what your problem really is and that is that you cannot get over the fact that the British kicked your arses in 1982 and your 'honour' was besmirched and your country made to look pathetic and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. It clenches your gut and squeezes your heart and that has turned into hatred for your nemesis
Patrick, congratulations, you are definately in line for your own waxwork in that museum after that outburst. :) In fact you are now in the running for 'Racist Bigot of 2018'.
Mar 25th, 2018 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Darragh got it spot on didnt he?
What you are saying is totally irrelavent. There is no dispute about the sovereignty of the British Overseas Territory of the Falkland Islands. It is a fantasy brainwashed into the minds of Argentinian children and folk of low intelligence who need political manipulation. Do yourself and your blood pressure a favour, sip on a Maté and chill….
Patrick Edgar
Mar 25th, 2018 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“There is a territorial conflict between Argentina and UK” No there is not. There is a belligerent Argentina that insists international law be set aside, to allow her to press her bogus claim i.e. negotiate. Whereas, this would be in clear contradiction of the UN Charter. Which doesn’t allow the UK to do so. Its hypocritical, that Argentina refused to entertain any negotiations twice before, and resorted to unilateral actions.
“There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie
“You are sticking words together, and hoping for it to be true”. ... There IS a territorial very much real matter between U.K. and Argentina about a South Atlantic archipelago.
Mar 25th, 2018 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Look sweeties... I'm an American, I grew up listening the British and American... as well as Australian cultures all my life. There are tons of belittling English words for people from the South Mediterranean, Spain, South of the Border, Mexicans, Hindi's, Arabs, Germans, immigrants of various strains.... How many do you think we have in Spanish?
Go Home! ... and think about what you've done.
American? Come home Patrick, to your mother country. ;)
Mar 25th, 2018 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Have any of us used bigoted racist language and propositions like yourself? No! If you want to view a racist look in the mirror…. and Think about what you are saying….
And… you are American as my Aunt Fanny.
Patrick Edgar
Mar 25th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“There IS a territorial very much real matter“ No theres not, thats BS, otherwise you’d show the evidence that refutes my supported assertion.
“You are sticking words together.” I’m constructing an argument and providing supporting evidence, unlike you.” There are tons of belittling English words for people”. That is true of all languages, other than your anglophobia, whats your point?
Oh?... Well then Terrence Hill; Would you please then indulge me in explaining to a level of detail that allows for full comprehension, what exactly this matter of the Falkland Islands vs Islas Malvinas is all about, and what is it that we are observing instead?
Mar 25th, 2018 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -4@The Voice, I can't figure out what you're trying to say. You sound contradictory
@PE
Mar 25th, 2018 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +3“There are tons of belittling English words for people from the South Mediterranean, Spain, South of the Border, Mexicans, Hindi's, Arabs, Germans, immigrants of various strains.... How many do you think we have in Spanish?”
You tell us, I know of a few.
Patrick touché, now you know how we feel when trying to decypher the rubbish you post…. LOL!
Mar 25th, 2018 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina has a dispute. The UK and the islanders say that the matter is settled. Looks like Argentina is on its own.
Mar 25th, 2018 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Patrick Edgar
Mar 25th, 2018 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse +4“Matter of the Falkland Islands vs Islas Malvinas is all about.” I don’t have a clue about as to what you're rabbiting on about, and obviously neither do you.
@Roger Lorton; indeed, as a matter of fact the most insulting and barbarically offensive aspect of this whole affair is your country's policy towards the dispute, allowing for British people with zero respect for other nations such as yourself to emulate it.
Mar 26th, 2018 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -4There are many sovereignty conflicts around the world, and it stands to reason that countries on the defense side of an issue, will not start their arguments saying “yes but, it is not exactly like that” or “we understand, yet you want too much”. They typically have a different version which includes the adversary with a much smaller argument, or they will accuse of exaggerating and correct facts by their own accounts. Defending something you are being accused of will never start by any degree of acknowledgement now, will it Roger? Yet this is the only situation I know in the world where the defending country insolently dismisses the matter by saying things like what you typically say, or as other's do who say the matter was resolved in 1982. Your own country turns an insolent shoulder on the dispute blatantly ignoring Argentina on this matter that was brought before the world forum in 1965. The only reason it gets away with such absence of respect for a nation, is because Argentina is a “friend”. Yet Britain though audaciously abuses this friendship, no different to when a family member safe in the trust and love of a relative's assured loyalty grossly abuses that love by mistreating hitting or screaming at them in secret, where it would never do it to a stranger or someone else who might turn and end all sympathies depriving that person of something they needed. British policy is shameless abuse of Argentina's respectful and trusting behavior, like abusing someone's friendship by using them and taking what they can from them. Not only, but Britain chooses this “policy”, because to talk sincerely and forward facing about the historical details in the conflict would prove not so productive nor uncompromising
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Mar 26th, 2018 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -3LOL Patrick, masterclass in verbal diarrhoea! Get it?
Mar 26th, 2018 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@PE
Mar 26th, 2018 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -2¡Oye, Yanqui, quiero saber los gentilicios xenófobos en español!
And Argentina is a friend? Could have fooled me. Anyway, countries don't have friends and enemies, they have interests. But I agree with you only so far that a disagreement is not over until both sides accept that it is over.
Insolently dismisses Pat? It took a war and English dead to dismiss Argentina.
Mar 26th, 2018 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina is no 'friend.'
There is nothing left to discuss.
Huh...comments closed on the other one...
Mar 27th, 2018 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I WASN'T FINISHED MERCOPRESS!!!
Roger...If there was 100 settlers they must have left on the Favourite...
I can't find any digitised records but...
If you ever happen to be at the National Maritime Museum...
ADM/L/F59 Log of William Maltby, HM sloop Favourite 1770
and...
ADM 346/9/45....HMS Favourite: assigned 'William Maltby' and 'Alexander Dunbar'; 18 August 1769 to 1 November 1770; Falkland Islands to England, via South America and Azores;
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9772045
The details must surely be in his log....
Thank you Voice. I have a gap in the Timeline there that needs filling and I'll take the first opportunity to do so.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse +3The gap is actually larger as I believe that the settlers had been much reduced in numbers by 1774.
I assume that MacBride, on his return, submitted a full report and some outline of a chart from the survey he'd conducted. His skills there were the reason he'd been sent. To-date, I can find neither nor the plans he'd laid out for the location of Fort George and Jasons Town.
One of the things I am trying to understand is why MacBride named so many Islands (on the Carrington Bowles chart) but not the two main ones. It's almost as though he saw them as one island with a gash across it. Earlier charts had depicted only one Island, and even earlier charts, just the Sound.
The perception at the time was that West Falkland was the larger, hence the French names for the two main Islands. If Britain only saw one Island, then it would change the understanding of the words on the 1774 plate left by Clayton. It may also have a bearing on the wording of the British acceptance in 1771 which avoided the issue .
I accept that I have more work to do
You can try as hard as you want to mirror the truth and turn it around against us Roger, or whatever you are, but fact is that a country and its government are its people. Your country is the prejudicest phony one who seeks to manipulate and use South America, Argentina is not. Your country is the one that wanted to see the war come to the Falklands, Argentina is not. Your country is the one attacking innocent people around the planet with its economy industries and war machinery, Argentina is not. Your country wants to forcefullu occupy and colonize the Islands, Argentina is not. You are a liar, I am not. Your country is loathed around the world by people it is oppressing, Argentina is not. You are a brainwashed deniar of the simple truth, we are not.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse -5Climb back into your box Pat, and try to remember that 'Your country' is Italy.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse +3The truth did get out. As a result, Argentina lost.
The matter is settled.
I am getting the impression that Patrick doesnt like the British. Has he ever been in a tea shop or watched Mary Berry do you Think?
Mar 27th, 2018 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse +2I'm very sober minded and “self thinking”, unlike your country's population, I've never been prey to prejudicial cultural propaganda, so naturally I hate the sin not the sinner. I've only said it a hundred times “I actually am very fond of the British and their country”, just not so hot on the actions and behavior their governments have afflicted the world with. ... Of course then there is Roger Lorton. See Roger... you don't understand the whole picture, you never have. The Malvinas or Falklands as you call them in English will for always have “a thing” with the Argentine mainland. Britain instead of amalgamating it, fuels it (for reasons we can get into discussing if you'd like)
Mar 27th, 2018 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Interestingly, I never say things that are simply hateful towards the British and not some form of political criticism to do with your country's international relations. Yet it everything segregating of yourselves and others always come from you! You are the ones who always talk about “hating a country, this one of the other one. You are the ones who invented and sought to proliferate the word ”Malvinista“. You are the ones who want to say we have ”racism problems” with our native Argentinians. Britain has created the conflict over the islands, practivlly. So Britain has no one to blame but itself !
Sober, Patrick you sound permanently pissed!
Mar 27th, 2018 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Was it you that invented the notion of Sepoys, a band of British saboteurs forever sabotaging Argentina? You certainly seem to accuse us of all sorts of dastardly acts. I can assure you that we treat normal Argentinians like anyone else, with friendship and respect. As for Malvinistas like youself, you are simply a source of hilarity and pity. Saludos!
Patrick, you should pull that beam out of your own eye before trying to practise unlicensed ophthalmology.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +2If accusing an entire country of not being sober minded and not thinking for themselves isn't prejudice, then I don't know what is. And you can say you're 'very fond of the British and their country' 100 more times if you like, no one will believe it as long as your posts show the exact opposite.
If you think you're not prejudiced that just means you haven't taken a good look at yourself. Everyone is prejudiced in some way, you're human and fallible just like the rest of us.
Pat, who is Italian, loves to rant and rave, but says nothing. So many words for nothing.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3I luuuuv Italians, scallywags, and they love us. I love to watch their Rugby Union team, such spirit! I cannot believe Patrick is Italian, he is always trying to be nasty. The sort that would make the cream in Mary Berry's scones curdle. Not like this chap - https://youtu.be/b6lW1FbSHXA
Mar 27th, 2018 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +1For some odd reason, Roger Lorton has a hard time accepting I'm Argentine or American, which are much more my nationalities than Italian is, though I am an Italian citizen and am very fond of Italy. Italy has always been good and fair to me, considering they have no reason to. None of my immediate family was Italian born, and my relatives here never became much more than sweet acquaintances. I'm not sure what this issue with Lorton is all about, but then again we are talking about quite the obstinate eccentric.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DemonT, I truly am not being prejudiced or racist about the British. If you look carefully at what I say, you will never find such type of remark aimed at anybody's civilian constitution. I am very uncomfortable myself every time I say things that appear to sound that way and try to contextualize those instances the best I can to an issue I feel is being stupidly forged into social medias by way too many debaters, the reality of cultural personality. There is such a thing DemonT as the generalization of personality in societies' cultures. I feel it only becomes relevant when characteristics of it start acting upon political conversations, affecting thus the genre of arguments, rehashing as well places in these current inter-social confrontations where they have also had a lot of play in. One sees it very loudly in places like facebook. The way people start qualifying as I do, to tackle this level of knowledge, is by spending enough years to where you see things change in the conversational atmosphere observing the introduction of behavior specifically by certain people, later the effect, the provocation and consequences of it. To give you an example; when I started facebook Malvinas Falklands groups some years ago, I noticed unequivocally that the Argentine generally tried to get the British to argue on the historical details of the conflict, while the British tendency was that of bringing up the war and calling the Argentine things like “surrender monkeys”
'Deep seeded cultural disparaging and insolent bigotry on behalf of you and your culture against Spanish countries, fueling a tireless march of mocking prejudices and lying antagonisms in all political or social matters that have any two countries of our two cultures face off. '
Mar 27th, 2018 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Your words Patrick…. You get back what you put out… The British love the Costas!
@Patrick
Mar 27th, 2018 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1I don't know what a civilian constitution is supposed to be, but you sound very prejudiced to me. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe you should be listening to that part of yourself. It's one thing to point out that one person, or a few, is/are showing a certain attitude, it's another to generalise about a whole country based on a few people who went on Facebook specifically to argue. And a different thing again to distort the facts as you like to.
Besides which it's not even effective, as the people who are more open minded and might be inclined to listen to you, will think you are too biased to have anything useful to say.
Re prejudice, we always look at ourselves differently to others, because we know ourselves from the inside and why we do certain things, but we never have that with other people. For example, if you are late for an appointment then you might drive faster than usual, above the speed limit, and you know that you don't normally drive like that and that you have a good (to you) reason. But on another day when someone overtakes you, driving way too fast, you probably assume they are a speed demon.
It's the same with countries. You understand why people in Argentina feel the way they do, but not why British people have the views we have, so you attribute them to bad motives. Arguing with idiots on Facebook doesn't help with that.
Anyway, if you want to argue the historical details then you should be happy to talk to Roger, since that is what he does, even if he does annoy you by calling you an Italian. I suggest you stop denying it and just ignore him on that.
I think you missed my point @DemonT. Somehow we ought to be able to talk about what popular culture in a country will -typically- propagate specifically about another country or group of people. We must because it is a real influence that makes things happen. Otherwise what we see, is that things like 'the Press' will say things that are culturally xenophobic, seeding ultimately desires by people and their representatives in government, yet if anyone, people or nation, attempt to defend themselves or call on it matching the same area of influence, they are quashed and accused of being “racist” or “prejudiced”. “If something 'Is', it has the right and may very well have the need to be talked about” Humanity is what it is, no sense in burying your head in the sand about it. Because others will use that to move forward their agendas.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The point in your “speed demon” example DemonT, is only that we have the utmost singular goal then of understanding that there may be real unsurmountable reasons why someone may be speeding, and we don't know what they may be until we ask. There is no “other side to the coin” there, only a greater human mind and heart that we must strive to become.
Roger??? lol, perfect example there that demonstrates, dedication and work ethics do not guarantee truth, fairness or lack of prejudice.
@PE
Mar 27th, 2018 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can talk about popular culture and what it says about other peoples without accusing a whole country of not thinking for themselves, or being the most prejudiced ever to exist. You don't fight prejudice with prejudice.
And the point of my example is that you are like the person accusing me of being a speed demon, and saying you never speed - that time yesterday doesn't count, you don't normally do that and anyway you had a good reason, you were late for an appointment. You don't bother asking me why I was speeding, instead you start telling me what a bad person I am.
The real truth is that we were both driving dangerously and that is bad, and both of us thought we had a good reason to do it.
You can carry on ignoring it Patrick but its self evident you are a racist xenophobe with the audacity to try to lecture decent peaceful people about truth fairness and predjudice.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You and your rock throwing and tyre burning thugs are a disgrace to Argentina.
You are an Italian citizen Pat, it says so on your passport. You are not Argentine.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Just a waster in need of a cause.
I never had a passport that said I was Italian you old foggy, I haven't had an Italian passport yet.
Mar 27th, 2018 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@DemonT. You don't “fight prejudice”, You understand why people say what they do, that sounds like it.
Voice. The only thing I ignore around here is you.
Pat, a long time back, you revealed your passport status. You told us. Have you forgotten? You really need to stop smoking that stuff.
Mar 28th, 2018 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse +1Roger...
Mar 28th, 2018 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Interesting theory about the one Island idea...
It would go a long way to explaining the term Falkland Isle or Island singular...
It would then make a lot of sense not to place a Fort and stores on it if one suspected the Eastern side of it to be occupied...(Land attack)
The smaller defensible island opposite would make sense...
Probably worth looking into...
Voice - I agree. Being out in Thailand half the year is a hindrance, but I'll get there, eventually.
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Mar 28th, 2018 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1I try to. But anyway, how are you ever going to understand Britain if you only talk to a few people who have deliberately chosen to come and argue with you? There are lots of people in every country, with lots of different views.
Someone like Patrick who hates Britain and its people so vehemently isnt going to even try to understand us. Racism is a cancer that eats the brain, especially in someone with no common sense and a brain, as Roger surmises, probably fogged with drugs.
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