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Facebook ordered to scrap fake news regarding slain Brazilian activist
Brazilian Judge Jorge Jansen Counago Novelle on Wednesday gave the US-based social media giant Facebook 24 hours to remove fake news posted about slain black rights' activist Marielle Franco. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGood on judge Novelle.
Mar 30th, 2018 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few days ago, MP commentator Jack Bauer vehemently protested after being challenged on irresponsibly propagating these infamous rumours against Marielle Franco in one of his postings.
Coming next: Jack Bauer complaining about “lack of freedom of expression.”
The headline made me worry, but the decision seems pretty reasonable.
Mar 30th, 2018 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now I'm wondering if Jack read about it on Facebook, but I guess if it was a judge starting the rumours(!) then it was probably in the papers. Anyway, he said it had been discredited in his very next post, so I doubt he'll be complaining about this decision.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Mar 31st, 2018 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“Please remember it next time you are inclined to accuse me of lying merely because I disagreed with you about some fact or rule of logic”
I suggest that when you ignore your obligation as to proof, engage in sophistry, and support the contentions of a proven liar. You may well be the author of your own misfortune, as you don’t exactly inspire any confidence that what say is true.
@The Liar
Mar 31st, 2018 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry, the feeling is more than mutual.
Why don't you try adopting a few of those British virtues of 'fair play'? You could start by admitting you were wrong after I pointed it out, instead of pretending you had meant something else altogether in a transparent attempt to save face.
Then you could read those links I gave you, or google and find your own if you prefer. It's not a trick, more education is always a good thing, and those are real resources supposed to teach University students how to reason and produce good arguments. If the contents are news to you, that just proves what I've been saying all along: you don't know the basics of proof and argument, you are following the wrong rules and complaining at me because I want to follow the right ones.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Mar 31st, 2018 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Complaining at me because I want to follow the right ones” Transparency isn’t your strong point is it, in fact where are these right ones? As up to now they’ve remained well and truly hidden. Must be your personal little secret, as they haven’t been revealed on this site so far.
What the heck is wrong with you? Reading comprehension obviously isn't your strong point. The rules of logic and how to make a sound argument aren't a secret! They're in books, they teach them at university, they're at your fingertips on the internet. I already gave you some links to look at, or google 'logic', google 'how to make a sound argument'.
Mar 31st, 2018 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn something for once instead of spending all your time trying to prove yourself right and salve your ego.
A new Brazil is coming!
Apr 01st, 2018 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0TH “You're so limited you have never made a post that correctly meets the criteria of meeting your burden of proof”
DT “I'm certainly not bound by any of those rules.”
DT “The rules of logic and how to make a sound argument aren't a secret!”
Then why do you consistently ignore this one, as in your last post?
“AN ASSERTION IS A STATEMENT OFFERED AS A CONCLUSION WITHOUT SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. SINCE AN ARGUMENT IS DEFINED AS A LOGICAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PREMISE AND CONCLUSION, A SIMPLE ASSERTION IS NOT AN ARGUMENT.”
Ignoring the Burden of Proof http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
Lying again, Terry? How disappointing.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Terry: “your bound by the doctrine of fairness which dictates you will be held by what you first claim regardless of whether it is true or not.”
Me: “Do you mean [a law regarding broadcasters in the USA]?” (This was a joke, in case you didn't realise.)
Terry: “No! The following: The fact that I have placed a reliance on your claim is a bar in law from you claiming otherwise. As its fair, as prevents a party making many claims, and switching one to another. In simple terms this allows only one kick at the can. That is a fundamental basis of contract law.”
Me: “Are you nuts? I don't have a contract with you and we're not in court; I'M CERTAINLY NOT BOUND BY ANY OF THOSE RULES. This is a discussion on an internet forum, rules on fairness in court cases are for the courts.”
Terry: “I never claimed you did or are.” (This is a lie, see the first quote.)
After that, instead of admitting your error, you tried to imply you were talking about fair play, rather that contract law, which as I said has no relevance to discussions on an internet forum.
And now you're compounding it by lying again, pretending my words were a reply to a completely unrelated statement.
Anyway, let's talk about the burden of proof.
1. We are not in a court, or even a debating society. Not everything is an argument. If everyone agrees on some statement then it is unnecessary to give evidence for it. For reasons of space, time, and sanity, I do not routinely try to prove every single thing I say. If you or someone else disagrees with me, you can say so without throwing a fit, and I will then try to do so.
2. What is proof? This is the biggest stumbling block, since you refuse to learn anything about logic, the scientific method, or any other ways of proving things. Therefore, you don't understand it when I try to prove something, making the effort pointless.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0BT“Do you mean…”
TH “your bound by the doctrine of fairness…” Suggesting one the British virtues of ‘fair play’ of course not, your anything but that.
DT “Anyway, let's talk about the burden of proof.
1. We are not in a court, or even a debating society. Not everything is an argument”.
What is it a soiree?
TH “Or is your view that legal requirements are to much an unfair burden on your choices, to do exactly as you please. Which is a credo for ‘may the best cheat win’.
You can waffle on all day, it doesn’t allow you a free pass from an obligation to meet your burden of proof”
Burden of proof (philosophy) The burden of proof … is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
“Who has the “burden of proof” in debates, arguments, discussions, etc?”
“The burden of proof lies with the person making a truth claim.” h ttps://www.quora.com/Who-has-the-burden-of-proof-in-debates-arguments-discussions-etc
I have no idea what the random string of quotes above is supposed to mean. Please rewrite your post to explain your point if you want me to reply. Some paragraph breaks wouldn't go amiss either.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also, this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Since we already agree on what the burden of proof is, you don't need to keep posting the same quotes over, and over, and over, and over again. It's pointless, and merely annoys people.
@Brasileiro:
Apr 01st, 2018 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “A new Brazil is coming!”: I AGREE!
The OLD corrupt will be replaced by the NEW Corrupt!
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have no idea …” You no perfectly what has been stated. So you cannot meet your burden, nor do deny your obligation. Your ‘silence’ indicates your conceding the point. Which means other than your opinion, you can proffer no proof. Which leaves you with no more wiggle room, thanks.
@Terry the Deluded
Apr 01st, 2018 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Okay. I certainly can't 'meet my burden' if you won't tell me what it is you want me to prove, so you'll just have to continue talking to yourself and declaring illusory victories over the imaginary people in your head. I'm sure you'll like that better anyway.
@ :o))
What do you think Brasileiro is talking about? The only 'new Brazil' I have seen is that Temer took over from Dilma, and I doubt Brasileiro liked that at all.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Postings consisting in total of YHO are not proof, they’re naked assertions which are not even an argument. What they are is evasions, and evidence of your utter dishonesty.
That post you just wrote consists of naked assertions with no proof. So by your own broken 'logic' it's nothing but an evasion, and evidence of your utter dishonesty.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now watch Terry the Liar tell us that it's different when he does it, Terry is so 'special', he doesn't have to abide by his own rules. Oh, and don't forget whining about how 'unoriginal' it is to turn his own words back on him, because if you can't attack the argument, attack the person.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT “Since we already agree on what the burden of proof is”
DT DT “Anyway, let's talk about the burden of proof.
1. We are not in a court, or even a debating society. Not everything is an argument”. Nothing inconsistent in this.
Nothing but evasions, or assertions devoid of any proof, you’re the mirror image of JB which is why you’re so enamoured with him. As he engages in an equal amount of lying and deceit as you.
@DT
Apr 01st, 2018 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “What do you think Brasileiro is talking about?”:
Looks like he himself does not know either! :o))))
At his best; he could be hallucinating about a BETTER Brazil [without getting rid of the corrupt] REF:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/8f/52/d5/8f52d5357af5dda93f7f540a342dbd60.jpg
@Terry the Liar
Apr 01st, 2018 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you confused because I said we should talk about the burden of proof and later said we already agree on what it is?
If so, then I'll elaborate. We agree on the *definition* of the burden of proof, and we generally agree on who has it, although you have tried to cheat by shifting it onto me a few times. What we don't agree on are the two points I listed in my earlier post:
1. Whether every statement in a conversation requires proof.
2. What counts as proof.
If that wasn't what you meant, then please explain in your own words. I'm not a mind reader and I can't work out what you are trying to say by pasting random quotes.
I've said this before, but I cannot prove anything to you until you learn what evidence, proof, and logic are. Did you read those links yet?
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT “You could start by admitting you were wrong after I pointed it out, instead of pretending you had meant something else altogether in a transparent attempt to save face.” No BoP
DT “Lying again” No BoP
The burden of proof … is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for their position (BoP}
Oops no warrants, No BoP.
1. Just assertions need evidence to meet their BoP
2. Conclusive evidence
Why do you keep lying when the proof is RIGHT THERE in my posts? You're pathetic and delusional.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT “Why do you keep lying when the proof is..” Oops no warrants, No BoP.
Okay, I guess I am curious about what is going on in your diseased mind.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. What on earth do you imagine a 'warrant' is?
2. How could I prove you were lying, other than by quoting you saying something, and then quoting you denying you had said it? Are you expecting a quotation from Einstein saying “long after I'm dead, poster Terence Hill will lie about poster DemonTree”?
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How could I prove…” Most honest posters would provide a link.
Oops no warrants, No BoP.
A link to what, crazy person? Should I ask Roger to write on his blog that you're a liar? Then I can link to that.
Apr 01st, 2018 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 01st, 2018 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops no warrants, No BoP
@ALL:
Apr 02nd, 2018 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about a silence of two minutes? REF:
https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/00rs0320ars3.jpg?resize=580%2C403&ssl=1
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 02nd, 2018 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“To write on his blog that you're a liar” Sorry thats not direct evidence it would be discredited as hearsay.
No link? Then that confirms your assertion is not true as no BoP. So, after ignoring one of the most essential precepts of logic, along with maligning myself. Thus, after making a complete horses-ass of yourself, in revealing the only liar here is yourself.
“The best way to win an argument is to begin by being by being right.” Jill Ruckeshaus
Terry, I'm finished playing stupid guessing games. Your pathology is no longer interesting.
Apr 02nd, 2018 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is a much more apt quote about this situation: “Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.” I should have heeded it.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Apr 02nd, 2018 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There’s no guessing games you’ve been caught, and revealed as to who and what you are, by the very rule you’ve abused. It just came back bit you, so squirm all want as you are revealed as an abased person.
Heres an even older one, and completely fitting. “You reap what you sow”
@TH:
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “You reap what you sow”
https://iranmarkus.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/corrupcao.jpg
@ :o))
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too true. :(
On the OTHER hand:
Apr 03rd, 2018 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.montanhascapixabas.com.br/fotos/Coluna%20Pol%C3%ADtica%20e%20Poder%20-%20Imagens/Charge%20-%20Verbas.jpg
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