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New battle front for Brexit: revocation of Article 50 addressed to the European Court

Saturday, September 22nd 2018 - 08:47 UTC
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The European Court will be asked if the UK can unilaterally revoke its Article 50 request to leave the European Union, following a “bombshell” ruling from Scotland’s highest court. In what campaigners described as a “case that could decide the fate of the nation”, the Court of Session in Edinburgh announced it would refer the question on to the Court of Justice of the EU (CJEU). Read full article

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  • chronic

    Scots out?

    This was always a possible unintended consequence.

    Sep 22nd, 2018 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    Who ever said the referendum was legally binding anyway...

    ”The European Union Referendum Act required a referendum to be held on the question of the UK’s continued membership of the European Union (EU) before the end of 2017. It did not contain any requirement for the UK Government to implement the results of the referendum. Instead, it was designed to gauge the electorate's opinion on EU membership”

    Why doesn't a responsible Govt simply declare that it is not in the best interests of the UK at this present time to withdraw from the EU...
    The evidence is all out there for everyone to see, it's not a case of Brexiteers claiming that the UK can have its cake and eat it anymore...we can now see that is not going to happen...

    Sep 22nd, 2018 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    V: So you think democracy is overrated?

    Predictable for a commie bastard.

    Sep 23rd, 2018 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    What kind of democracy are you taking about...?
    Is it the type where England and the English voters get to overrule what Scotland and Northern Ireland actually voted for...?
    In a situation where four separate countries are part of one united one it should have been a majority in all four countries needed...that would be democratic...
    You coming from a melting pot colony with no discernible identity having existed for two minutes have no idea of what you are taking about...
    Also I dare say there are more commie bastards in the US than the UK...how many Russians ya got now...?

    Sep 23rd, 2018 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • DemonTree

    “You coming from a melting pot colony with no discernible identity having existed for two minutes have no idea of what you are taking about...”

    Nah, that's normal for him, it's got nothing to do with where he's from.

    And we wouldn't be in this position at all if we had a responsible government. If they were going to hold a referendum they should have made plans and proposed some feasible alternative first. People should not have been asked to vote for a complete unknown, there should have been some provision for the different countries, and turnout requirements.

    Sep 23rd, 2018 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    I disagree...I married a product of the melting pot and believe me they have no cultural identity...they say I'M AN AMERICAN...like it means something...
    ...and where he's from has everything to do with how he is...
    If you were to assume that nine out of ten Yanks were a complete dick and asshole...you would not be far off...

    Sep 23rd, 2018 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    The ones I've met IRL seem nice enough, although they have an unfortunate (and tone deaf) tendency to rant about immigrants. But Americans are so different to British people, or anyone else, and they have their own foods, sports, music, weird political beliefs... stuff they have in common from growing up a certain way, not to mention their own stereotypes. How can you say they have no cultural identity?

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    Voice - you seem to be totally unaware that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland comprise the United Kingdom with a central Government in London. CERTAIN matters have been devolved to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland but NOT matters such as Brexit.

    I disagree totally with Brexit BUT, sadly, the majority of the citizens of the UK voted to leave the the European Union and that decision must be recognised by all. However, I believe there should be a further referendum once terms for leaving the EU are agreed. My fervent hope is that the British people will vote to stay in the EU on that occasion.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    After the last few months of talk with the Germans its all too obvious that the UK cannot and should not remain part of the EU. We originally voted to be part of a Common Market, personally I would be happy with that and to cooperate on many institutions and projects as neighbours.

    As for 'Merica, I have some very good and nice friends there but I am aware that like everywhere there are some rum people like our 'friend' who seem to be incapable of understanding anything lying outside US borders.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    V, globalism is dead.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Gordo1

    I'm very aware of what the UK is comprised of...
    Four very separate and distinct cultural identities...
    In any UK referendum the majority English are going to win the vote and decide for the rest what happens...
    This EU referendum was hastily put together and poorly thought out...
    One nationality should not have been able to decide the future of the other three nationalities...after all it is only a Union of English, Scots, Welsh and Irish...
    A Scot is Scottish first and British second and their wishes should have been respected equally to those of English, Welsh and Irish...
    The fact that English are more numerous should have been accounted for...

    Chronic
    I see you avoided my question...so let me answer it for you...3 million Soviets and counting...
    That's a lot of commies ya got there....;-)
    What are you...? Slav, Italian, Dutch, German, African, Spanish, Asian...WASP...?
    ...do you even know...?

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    “I want a divorce, Honey, but can we be friends with benefits afterwards?”

    I'm sure that's a real attractive proposition...

    Americans unfortunately are generally quite sheltered from the world by geography and politics. They sound incredibly out-of-touch when they claim their poorer and weaker neighbours are somehow taking advantage of them, and remarkably naive when they start saying things can't get any worse.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT many grown up folk manage acrominy free divorces. Many divorces occur because one party always wants their own way and bullies the other… A Common Market means just that, accompanying it with totally free movement to live and work makes 28 countries into a Superstate which isnt what we voted for.

    If Scotland wants its own way Scots can overwhelmingly vote SNP, vote to have their own referendum and choose to leave the UK. England and Scotland will then both end up diminished.

    I can imagine our 'friend' with knitted brow trying to get his head round this. He is ok with seemingly simple comments like MAGA though ;-)

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    You are correct....I'm being a bit harsh on Americans 64% have never been out of the US only 34% have a passport and that was a lot less before 911. They are parochial and they couldn't care less what happens or exists beyond the Americas.
    It is vast and have all climates from snow to desert...enough for most folk I guess, why bother going anywhere else...
    They are out of touch and in many ways backward...for example, I wanted to pay my property taxes by direct debit...it does not exist they have not heard of direct debit...
    Their mobile communications is crap, their traffic network doesn't exist and their border control is a joke...according to their system...I am still in the States...
    Which is surprising for such a technologically advanced nation...

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Voice, you need to get that sorted. When a friend of mine tried to exit last year the Yanks claimed she had overstayed her Visa and she was detained and questioned by the FBI for 6 hours missing her flight home. There was no record of her exiting last time she visited and although she had an entry Visa on her passport from 3 days before!

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    And some divorces happen because one party isn't satisfied with that they've got and thinks the grass is always greener. But once you're divorced you can't go back to dating again. All the countries (including the UK) agreed to form the EU rather than continue with the Common Market, and the other countries still prefer the EU. Pointless to have a Common Market of one.

    If you saw the future and it showed Scotland would leave the UK, NI would join Ireland, and Argentina would get the Falklands, all as a consequence of Brexit, would you still vote for it?

    As for Chronic, you're wrongly assuming he'd even try to understand it. Thoughtlessly repeating slogans is all he's good for.

    @Voice
    Yeah, it always surprises me how backwards they are in some things. Mobile phones didn't become common there for years after they were ubiquitous in the UK, and Americans still talk about using cheques to pay for things. So inefficient. They didn't have chip and pin until recently, either.

    But they do have their own culture, so I still don't know what you were thinking.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    The Voice

    Yeah I was a little worried, I usually get waved through in the US citizens line as a spouse/family, avoiding all the scrutiny...then slip out through Canada undetected...

    DemonTree

    What culture...?
    It's always someone else's culture, I'm always forced to eat Pork and Sauerkraut at New Year and celebrate St. Paddy's day... I'm not even catholic...
    They don't know WTF they are...

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    DT, there you go again, asking pointless hypothetical questions LOL!

    Yes we did let Maastrict go through… big mistake!

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    The Irish never celebrated St Patrick's day the way Americans do. Whose culture are McDonalds and Pizza Hut, saluting the flag and revering the constitution, fetishising guns and worshipping the military, Cadillacs and Corvettes, baseball and basketball, country music and jazz, jeans and baseball caps? They even have their own theme restaurants (American diners) in other countries. Sure they stole bits from other cultures, but the sum total is pretty distinctive.

    @TV
    Perhaps the government and the electorate should have considered a few hypotheticals before signing up to Maastrict. If they had, we might not be in this situation.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Well, they have Thanksgiving and the 4th of July. What draws the Americans together is the defeat of the British. I was at Bunker Hill with a Ranger and they were all crowing at us until the Ranger informed them that we won (we did lose more troops though). You notice in American films that the dirty rotter is always English. The statue of that well known cheese eating surrender monkey outside the White House, how does that compute? Then theres Paul Revere.. I have been to Valley Forge and Yorktown too, but they were quite polite.

    Sep 24th, 2018 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    To the people of Sad Con:

    Three words only - Sprechen Sie Deutsch?

    Sep 25th, 2018 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @TV
    Lol. Everyone knows the bad guy is always English in Hollywood films. Yet most of them seem to really like British accents. ;)

    What statue are you talking about?

    Sep 25th, 2018 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    I thought he was referring to Jackson on his horse...but he wasn't French...

    Sep 26th, 2018 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    Lafayette, rearing up on his horse. Instrumental in helping to defeat the British at Yorktown ( I think ). A Lafayette re-enactor, all puffed up was riding around Williamsburg when we went there. The yanks are a bit all mixed up with regards to the French. One minute lovy dovy, next minute, cheese eaters…

    Sep 26th, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lord Lucan

    Oops, it is Jackson in Lafayette Park. All I can say is it was dark. :-) and I had had a lot to drink…

    Sep 26th, 2018 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol.

    I suppose they have a lot of the same cultural differences with the French that we do, but they know (well, the educated ones do) that they might well have lost their war without the help from France. That probably explains some of the ambivalence.

    Sep 26th, 2018 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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