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Ex minister involves Lula directly in corruption practices to ensure funding for Rousseff's campaign

Thursday, October 4th 2018 - 08:51 UTC
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A judge released fresh testimony this week alleging corrupt practices involving members of Brazil’s leftist Workers Party (PT), whose candidate Fernando Haddad faces far-right lawmaker Jair Bolsonaro in Sunday's presidential election. Read full article

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  • Terence Hill

    “judge Sergio Moro unsealed the plea-bargain testimony of jailed former Finance Minister Antonio Palocci..” While Lula has no right of reply.
    Brazil's supreme court's chief justice Dias Toffoli ”keeps silent about the reserve general Fernando Azevedo e Silva, who will advise him on the organ(supreme court)...“Asked about the symbolism of the presence of a soldier in the Supreme Court, Toffoli said, via advisory, that ”the choice obeyed objective criteria of skills and competences”
    https://www. gazetadopovo.com.br/politica/republica/general-vai-assessorar-dias-toffoli-na-presidencia-do-stf-571rkg9hhjq1prjlhdbriao61/
    The president of the Federal Supreme Court (STF), Dias Toffoli , decided on Wednesday (3) to keep the ban on former president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (PT) granting prison interviews. For the President of the Court, the preliminary decision of the Vice-President of the STF, Minister Luiz Fux , that prevented last Friday (28) Lula from speaking to the press during the election period, must be complied with “in all its extension.”
    “Toffoli also reiterated that the ban is worth until the plenary of the Supreme Court analyse definitively the question, which should only happen after the elections.”
    https:// politica.estadao.com.br/blogs/fausto-macedo/toffoli-mantem-proibicao-de-lula-dar-entrevistas-da-prisao/
    “Toffoli says that today prefers to call military coup of 'movement of 1964'”
    https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2018/10/toffoli-diz-que-hoje-prefere-chamar-ditadura-militar-de-movimento-de-1964.shtml
    So it appears that with the denial of due process to Lula, according to the UNHRC. The subsequent gag order, and the revisionism of history by Toffoli. The assertion that a coup was in process by Lula's legal defence appears to be truer by the minute.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    I completely agree with Terrence Hill's thoughtful analysis of the obvious guilt of Lula and think the best would to incarcerate the criminal in prison for the next 30 years.

    I'm open however to an alternative solution, which would be to forcibly deport Lula to either Cuba or Venezuela where he can live out his final miserable years of existence.

    In any case, I agree with Terrence that Lula is guilty and deserves just punishment.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “Sergio Moro's wife's cousin arrested in Lava Jato”
    https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/primo-da-mulher-de-sergio-moro-e-preso-na-lava-jato/
    Keeping it in the family.
    “Sergio Mora's wife criticizes movement # Ele Não
    Rosângela Moro, lawyer and wife of judge Sergio Moro criticized in social networks the women's movement # EleNao, who went to the streets to protest against Jair Bolsonaro”
    https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/primo-da-mulher-de-sergio-moro-e-preso-na-lava-jato/
    We all knew who's side they were really on, and so does the UNHRC.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Lula's and his PT thugs are thoroughly reviled, disgraced, and discredited in the eyes of the educated Brazilian public. His legacy is recognized for what it is: a cesspool of bribery, kickbacks, graft, self-dealing, and corruption, threatening the foundations of Brazilian democracy.

    The United Nation's UNHRC describes Lula as “a despicable criminal” and has called for the ICJ to prosecute him.

    I completely agree with Terrence Hill that Bolsonaro is the best presidential candidate to bring Brazil back to prosperity and justice.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “Sergio Mora's wife criticizes movement # Ele Não
    Rosângela Moro, lawyer and wife of judge Sergio Moro criticized in social networks the women's movement # EleNao, who went to the streets to protest against Jair Bolsonaro”
    https://www.pragmatismopolitico.com.br/2018/10/esposa-de-sergio-moro-critica-elenao.html
    We all knew who's side they were really on, and so does the UNHRC.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Terrence Hill is absolutely correct that Bolsonaro rightfully should be the next Brazilian president. He was all over the front pages of the Estado and Folha de Sao Paulo newspapers today and a survey by the pollsters at Datafolha shows the once mighty Workers Party strongman Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva deserves to be in jail for his role in the Petrobras Car Wash scandal, with only 37% saying he should be free. In another blow to Lula today, the Electoral Court rejected a request by his lawyers to allow him to vote in the presidential elections this Sunday.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • DemonTree

    Rousseff and Temer were also prosecuted for illegal campaign funding while the former was still president. Funnily enough, once Dilma had been impeached and a guilty verdict would have removed Temer from power instead, the judges decided to acquit them.

    I'm sure it's a total coincidence that Moro is releasing this testimony just before the election, and not at all an indication of his bias against the Workers Party...

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Oh I agree that the problem of corruption is extensive and all the political parties are guilty of looting Brazil. The PT is certainly not the only one with dirty hands.

    We all have to therefore agree with Terrence's remarkable intellectual argument that Brazil is currently on the correct path to vote for Bolsonaro.

    After ruling Brazil for 13 of the last 15 years, the PT is blamed by many for a crippling recession, rising violence and voracious corruption.

    An Ibope poll released on Wednesday night showed Bolsonaro with a strong first-round lead over second-placed corrupt Haddad.

    The signs that Bolsonaro is gaining momentum led Brazil's stock index .BVSP up to a near five-month high and its currency BRBY to its strongest level in almost two months on Wednesday. Good news for Brazil!

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Bad news for Brazilians. Bolsonaro hasn't a clue, and changing the people in charge is never going to fix the problem; what they need to do is reform the system.

    The PT isn't the only party with dirty hands, but they are getting a lot more attention from the judges than others. If justice isn't applied equally, it will not only fail to reduce crime, but it becomes just another partisan weapon.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Voice

    Well obviously markets would respond positively to the possibility of any right wing Govt...ergo economically right wing policies...
    Economic right wing policies won't necessarily benefit most Brazilians...just some Brazilians, therefore “good news for Brazil” is debatable...

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    News quotes from the media are predicting what Terrence Hill earlier explain why Bolsonaro will probably rightfully win the election.

    ”Numerous recent polls show a large support from women planning to vote for Jair Bolsonaro, viewing him as the only option to prevent the return of the leftist Workers Party (PT) in this weekend's vote.“

    ”If the trend continues, women may cast the deciding votes for the former army captain could help propel him to the presidency, and possibly a first-round victory on Sunday, pollsters and analysts say.”

    DemonTree

    Neither you or I live in Brazil, but I do have close friends there in Petrolina and Recife who are desperate for change. The country is suffering from high unemployment, record levels of crime and business opportunities stalled by a terrible economy. They want change and I agree reform is necessary. The PT however is one of the largest thieves guilty in plundering Brazil's wealth.

    Voice

    25% of the country lives below the official poverty level. This despite the enormous wealth the country has. A record 63,000 murders took place last year and the rate is climbing. Some worry about Brazil becoming the next Venezuela, although I sincerely doubt it.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    @DT

    “If justice isn't applied equally...it becomes just another partisan weapon.”

    Very appropriate way to describe a frenzy of judges getting astray, pollers producing on-demand results, military chiefs threatening if election does not go their way, etc.

    “Anti-corruption judge Sergio Moro unsealed...President Lula da Silva ordered the collection of bribe money,” and “the testimony could increase anti-Workers Party sentiment, which has helped make Bolsonaro the frontrunner in the race.”

    No s....t! This Moro guy is again using his role and information in his custody to try and influence who will be the next Brazil president. Lawfare at its best.

    Opinion polls showing candidate Jair Bolsonaro taking a sudden lead come up at the right moment when a pre-election climate of inevitability of a victory of the extreme right candidate is needed to influence voters.

    Just look at two subsequent MP jubilant headlines: “Brazilian markets soar...” and “Brazilian markets surge...”

    Of course, most electors will be voting for the rightist candidate 'cause “It's good for the markets” and in any event “everybody is doing the same.”

    Here's hope that Brazilians, after giving an almost unanimous thumbs down to president Temer, defeat those disgusting maneuvers and elect their candidate, Fernando Haddad.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The signs that Bolsonaro is gaining momentum led Brazil's stock index up to a near five-month high and its currency to its strongest level in almost two months today.

    Again, everyone needs to agree with Terrence's remarkable intellectual argument that Brazil is currently on the correct path to vote for the right, not the Socialist-Communist left.

    Of course, maybe Enrique would perhaps desire instead the military to step in and reorganize the chaos for a short period. In my opinion, it would be a terrible mistake...

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    Sure, change is necessary, but Brazil needs to go forward, not back in time to the military government.

    @Voice
    Exactly. Something I've noticed is that when wages rise, the stock market falls, and it's obvious which benefits more people.

    @EM
    It's funny, JB also talked about the polls influencing the election, only he thought they were trying to help the PT.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    My thought exactly. Brazil needs to go forward. I think the military option would be a terrible alternative.

    Voice

    I can't believe when a stock market is booming that wages go down, UNLESS the government management of the economy is corrupt. You only need to compare Colombia to Venezulea to see the difference.

    Terrence Hill is absolutely correct that Brazil needs to vote for the right.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    It's the other way around; when wages fall or remain stagnant, companies make more profit and their share prices increase.

    Oct 04th, 2018 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I don't have the patience to check on the Chilean economy figures, but here is a reasonable study from the USA. As long as the central bank manages inflation and interest rates, generally wages rise due to demand for additional labor.
    https://awealthofcommonsense.com/2018/09/wage-growth-vs-the-stock-market/

    Terrence Hill understands this and that's why he wisely supports keeping Lula incarcerated.

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Nice to see that our “Low-intelligence adult” is still left simply opining. While every fact I have proven remains irrefutable.

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 03:31 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    “The huge wage growth you can see in the 1970s was a killer for the stock market as real returns went nowhere for a long time.”

    Possibly because it accompanied huge inflation, but that's hard to prevent. The real point is this:

    “Regardless of the market implications, it would be nice to see wages continue to rise. Financial markets have been outpacing income growth for the majority of the country for a long time now. Capital has been taking advantage of labor for decades.”

    In other words, US policies over the last few decades have been very good for the financial markets, but they haven't necessarily benefited most Americans, just as Voice said.

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo:

    REF: The Solutions: They are fine but to put them in practice may not be practical in a thoroughly corrupt political atmosphere. In the absence of the parasites; an Ideal solution [to make history] would be to make these crooks return the public funds [billions] which were unscrupulously stolen &/or wasted by them - for generations!
    https://mcartuns.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/suruba.jpg?w=604

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Terrence Hill has perhaps the most practical solution, which is to support Bolsonaro's election and incarcerate the left. After ruling Brazil for 13 of the last 15 years, the PT is blamed by many for a crippling recession, rising violence and voracious corruption. Terrence Hill is a genius and we should applaud his intellect.

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    You're not interested in discussion and only here to troll, then?

    Oct 05th, 2018 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    DemonTree

    Yup he's not even reading what is said...
    To my comment he tells us how many are in poverty...does he seriously think right wing economics is going to help the poor...?
    Also if what we read is true...this guy isn't just right wing he's a far right, racist, nationalist fascist...and military...Jacks dream candidate...

    Oct 06th, 2018 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    @Voice
    “Jacks dream candidate”

    Chicureo's perhaps - this is what JB had to say about Bolsonaro:

    “Not MY candidate...a few weeks ago I already mentioned I didn't think he was suitable for the job.....besides, he is just as radical, and incompetent, as Lula.”

    However, however, he'll vote for B over Haddad if it's them in the run-off.

    Did you watch the video Terry dug up, showing what sort of person Bolsonaro is?

    http://www.brasilwire.com/bolsonaro-terrorist-by-definition/

    Oct 06th, 2018 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Funny that when your out in left field as JB is he wouldn't consider the former mayor of São Paulo who wins US$5 million Bloomberg Philanthropies‘ 2016 Mayors Challenge for Latin American and Caribbean cities, as a compertent administrator.
    https://cities-today.com/sao-paulo-wins-us5-million-bloomberg-award/
    And a further endorsement as the UN-Habitat signs agreement with City of São Paulo.
    “However, however, he'll vote for B over Haddad if...” whereas, ”Bolsonaro gave in his way to Brazilian Congress (painful thing is that he was elected over and over again never presenting any project or doing any actual work for the population.)”
    http://www. brasilwire.com/bolsonaro-terrorist-by-definition/

    Oct 06th, 2018 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    'Out in right field', surely? ;)

    Oct 06th, 2018 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    I agree logically but I have never heard it being expressed in that way.

    Oct 06th, 2018 - 11:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    REF:
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-InR_X8M-ujk/UPn6C77VJtI/AAAAAAAAELw/2kSPX1D7Mbc/s1600/charge-politica.jpg
    Is it really worthwhile to take politics - political parties and the politicians - all THAT seriously?

    Oct 13th, 2018 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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