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Bolsonaro's foreign policy: following on Trump, “Make Brazil Great”
The far-right front-runner in Brazil’s presidential race plans to put foreign policy in the hands of a diplomat who has praised the nationalist agenda of U.S. President Donald Trump that has shaken the global order, an adviser to the candidate said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Make Brazil Great” sounds like an exaggeration. To make it a bit “safer”; the slogan may be “Make Brazil Famous” [leaves a room for “infamous” when necessary].
Oct 17th, 2018 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://umbrasil.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/post-fb--charge--adao-l--lopes-1024x1024.png
Steve Bannon's campaign is being implemented.
Oct 17th, 2018 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse -1https://www.mintpressnews.com/despite-bannons-role-in-campaign-bolsonaro-is-not-brazils-trump-hes-far-worse/250742/
Brazil NOT = USA
Oct 17th, 2018 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bolso NOT = Trump
Aren't there any GOOD examples to follow?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kll8c8XIrh4/UQsnXKngQeI/AAAAAAAAXHM/F87nRVigrWs/s1600/banana.jpg
Oh noooooo......
Oct 17th, 2018 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1What will our resident leftists here to do? Scream, kick their feet in the air? Maybe a warm glass of milk and cookies? These are depressing times for Enrique Massot and Terrence Hill. Perhaps it's time for their nap....
@ :o))
Oct 17th, 2018 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, I especially like the first one.
I don't see anything wrong with Bolsonaro's initial indications for Ministerial posts...if anything, shows his resolve to put the right men in the right places...and to keep the money out of the greedy politicians' reach.
Oct 17th, 2018 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1REF: JB
Oct 18th, 2018 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “shows his resolve to put the right men in the right places...and to keep the money out of the greedy politicians' reach”:
You imply - I think - that the Greedy/Corrupt and Bolso + his Team are totally different and have nothing to do with the “normal” politicians.
Does it mean that FINALLY there will be some kind of Order, Progress and above all; Prosperity at the end of a neverending tunnel?
This is considering that all the states have traditionally been squandering more money than what they receive. This is going on - uninterrupted & unchecked - for more than twenty or so years and to make the matters worst [I don't even want to touch the subject of corruption]; the politicians' demands for an increase in their “benefits” are met with no hesitations.
This, is the main cause of the unsatisfactory and dwindling quality of the public services granted by the constitution. Keeping this in mind; watch a few public services turning from bad to worst.
https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/J9tIYkY40nIMDTds7ZiJlw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztjaD00NTA7Y3I9MTtjdz02MzA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcDtoPTQ1MDtpbD1wbGFuZTtxPTc1O3c9NjMw/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2015-11-17/336f4190-8d44-11e5-984f-43d18f1fd408_17-11-2015.jpg
”Companies break the law and make illegal donations to Bolsonaro
Oct 18th, 2018 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Companies are buying mass mailing packages against the PT at WhatsApp and preparing a major operation the week before the second round.
The practice is illegal, because it is a campaign donation by companies, prohibited by electoral law, and not declared.
Folha has determined that each contract reaches R $ 12 million and among the purchasing companies is Havan. The contracts are for shots of hundreds of millions of messages.
The companies supporting the candidate Jair Bolsonaro (PSL) buy a service called “mass shooting” using the candidate's own user base or bases sold by digital strategy agencies. This is also illegal, as electoral legislation prohibits third-party procurement, only allowing the candidate's own lists of supporters to participate (numbers given on a voluntary basis).
When using third-party databases, these agencies offer segmentation by geographic region and sometimes by income. They send delivery reports containing date, time and triggered content to the customer.
Among the agencies providing such services are Quickmobile, Yacows, Croc Services and SMS Market.
https://blogdacidadania.com.br/2018/10/empresas-burlam-a-lei-e-fazem-doacoes-ilegais-a-bolsonaro/
Terrence Hill also wants us all to know that evil corrupt leftist organizations are illegally pouring cash into fighting against Bolsonaro from winning in the upcoming election. This horrible injustice must be stopped!
Oct 18th, 2018 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fernando Haddad of the PT wants to utilize the same economic strategy that has resulted in Venezuela's astounding economic DECREASE of 15%!
https://dolartoday.com/cortesia-de-nicolas-cepal-economia-de-venezuela-se-contraera-15-en-2018/
Comrade Terence Hill encourages the Brazilian proletariat voter to elect Bolsonaro to stop the ruthless and evil bourgeoisie Partido dos Trabalhadores at every cost. As the great friend of Stalin, General Eisenhower who was fond of quoting Jefferson: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” This is a small price for the bloody birth throes of the new society!
The valiant Brazilian proletariat voter knows there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old corrupt bourgeoisie Fernando Haddad and his Partido dos Trabalhadores can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.
As great comrade Terrence Hill gloriously proclaims: ¡Viva la Bolsonario revolución!
What about the poor starving Venezuelans? When is Chile going to invade Venezuela and install a competent government? Support for Maduro will collapse after the first whiff of gunpowder, and it's my belief you'll be greeted as liberators.
Oct 18th, 2018 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DemonTree
Oct 18th, 2018 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been well covered by the press here in Chile that during the two administrations of former President Michelle Bachelet, she avoided criticizing the Venezuelan regime. Our current President Piñera has been highly critical of the government, but has extended a warm welcome to the people emigrating here.
https://santiagotimes.cl/2018/09/27/chile-will-help-venezuela-regain-its-freedom-pinera-tells-un-general-assembly/
To my knowledge, only the USA and Colombia have alluded to military intervention.
Interesting side note: It's reported that some of the wealthiest South American women include the three daughters of Hugo Chávez.
”Attorney-General looks at the relationship between donations to politicians and contributions in FIPs de Guedes
Oct 18th, 2018 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -1In opening a Criminal Investigation Procedure against Paulo Guedes , the 'Ipiranga Post' of the economic team of presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro (PSL), the Greenfield task force cited the need to determine the 'connections' between donations of R $ 53 million to parties and politicians of the company Contax and contributions of pension funds.
https://politica.estadao.com.br/blogs/fausto-macedo/procuradoria-mira-relacao-entre-doacoes-a-politicos-e-aportes-em-fips-de-guedes/
You want to know what the future is for those who follow our resident Socialist-Marxist Terrence Hill's recommended path of social Democracy?
Oct 18th, 2018 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/business/article220212785.html
He wants Brazil to follow down the rabbit hole of Fernando Haddad who would tilt towards a similar the economic strategy of his northern neighbor. Problem is of course, that Petrobras is so indebted from the thieving previous PT governments, the looting of its future profits would be insufficient to alone fill their criminal desires. Fortunately there are other sources, especially agriculture, for them to corruptly plunder. “All Socialists are equal, but some Socialists are more equal...”
Terrence Hill is a miserable little ignorant Marxist-Leninist cretin vomiting nonsense.
@:o))
Oct 18th, 2018 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While have not said they won’t, it still remains to be seen...the first step is to not indicate corrupt politicians for Ministries or directorships in State-run companies....but of course, there was always the alternative or, the continuation of Lula / Dilma, through Haddad...and with Lula's controlling him from inside prison....
@Chicureo
TH posts ”Companies break the law , make illegal donations to Bolsonaro…are buying mass mailing packages against PT at WhatsApp, and preparing major operation the week before the second round. The practice is illegal, because it is a campaign donation by companies, prohibited by electoral law, and not declared“
The Folha published it, and the “blogdacidadania” has declared it illegal. And who are they exactly ? a blog run by a bunch of 'petistas'.
As far as I know, the use of social networks for political propaganda is legal. Companies paying for these mailing packages, without actually ‘donating’ to Bolsonaro, technically speaking is not 'caixa 2', as they did not enter, nor were they controlled by Bolsonaro's campaign...so it leaves the issue in a bit of a grey area. Bolsonaro’s campaign confirms contracting R$ 115,000s worth of digital media, but to be sent to party affiliates only. But if you post a whatsAPP criticizing Haddad to 500 friends, and each of them, to another 500, and so on, where’s the crime ?
But the questions are, IF people choose to elect Bolsonaro, and not Lula’s post, isn’t that what the ”people want” ? Wasn’t the PTs campaign to get Lula out jail, and allow him to run, all based on the PTs claim that that was what the “people wanted” ? sounds a bit like double standard….which the PT hates when it works against them.
Jack Bauer
Oct 18th, 2018 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Proves that our little Marxist-Leninist Terrence Hill is full of it...
Chicureo
Oct 19th, 2018 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can say that again....
“Folha de S.Paulo revealed that Jair Bolsonaro’s campaign has been receiving illegal donations.
Oct 19th, 2018 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse -2Brazilian electoral law forbids any kind of donation or contribution that is off the books and restricts any donations made by companies. Each “packet” of messages can cost up to BRL 12 million.
However, this is not the only way in which these companies and Mr. Bolsonaro’s campaign have broken the law: they have also used databases sold by digital agencies, which is forbidden. Candidates must only use their own contact databases”
https://brazilian.report/about-brazilian-report/
Jack Bauer has exposed Terrence Hill's information as complete bullsh*t!
Oct 19th, 2018 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse +1Communist Terrence Hill continues to spread false manure which in many countries is illegal for foreign nationals distorting the truth in order to influence elections. Therefore I need to correct that Terrence Hill is a miserable little ignorant Marxist-Leninist criminal guilty of toxic and reprehensible fake news.
He's starting to melt down in his own bile attaching non-working links that go to nothing. ”All Marxist-Leninists are equal, but some Marxist-Leninists are more equal, and there are many Marxist-Leninists like Terrence Hill that are incredibly stupid.
@TH
Oct 19th, 2018 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “Illegal Donations”
Can't be criticized as historically; they are merely Caixa 2 [BRIBES] which are generously offered to receive huge Govt. Contracts and are considered to be a “Perfectly Normal Practice”. It'll be a BIG surprise if any govt. organ, any political party & ANY politician refrain from receiving the same. Luckily at least, Bolso is grouping together a Highly Professional Team to govern Brazil - even though keeping his election-promises [if any] and his governability is HIGHLY doubtful:
https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/renner-web.jpg?resize=541%2C420&ssl=1
Brazil Report on illegal campaign donations revised URL
Oct 19th, 2018 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse -2https://brazilian.report/?s=+Candidates+must+only+use+their+own+contact+databases
“Bolsonaro and the support of Steve Bannon, the democracy saboteur
Bannon has a history of using fake news to promote the far right, with speeches linked to white supremacy, homophobia and misogyny. Bolsonaro campaign connects with all of this.”
https://brazilian.rep
Can't the exchange of Fake-News be considered as a form of entertainment for the [not so] intelligent?
Oct 19th, 2018 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse +1https://i0.wp.com/jornalibia.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/ChIb10Jan2017.jpg?resize=640%2C408&ssl=1
@ :o))
Oct 19th, 2018 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol, I didn't know it was bibles, bullets and beefcake.
@JB
It's illegal if you pay your 500 'friends' to retweet it, or if your message is slanderous and it damages someone's reputation, or if you misuse people's data (dunno what the laws are in Brazil, but sounds like they do exist.)
@DT
Oct 19th, 2018 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “It's illegal if you pay your 500 friends to retweet it”:
How much do they PAY? I'm interested in Re-Tweeting!
http://domtotal.com//img/charges/2119.jpg
Terrence Hill wants everyone to understand that the resistance of the Left is doomed. The Right will be chosen because the people are freely electing a change. Essentially the ruling Partido dos Trabalhadores class no longer dominate with normal Brazilians and the logic of revolutions will devolve to pure power – hence violence. The only hope is a significant win for Bolsonaro in the upcoming election – perhaps that will allow cooler heads to prevail on the moderate left and convince them that compromise is the better path than domination.
Oct 19th, 2018 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Trust Terrence Hill and cheer progressive change to the Right!
”Accused Of Electoral Fraud, Bolsonaro Could Face Disqualification
Oct 19th, 2018 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1AUTHORITARIANISM CANDIDATES DEMOCRACY ELECTION 2018
By Lu Sudré.
An investigative story published by the newspaper Folha de S. Paulo today proves that companies are paying for WhatsApp bulk messaging services to spread fake news and attack ads against the Workers’ Party (PT).
João Meira, who holds a master’s degree in Political Law, explains that the elections could be annulled due to illegal campaign practices and abuse of economic power.
Meira argues that, with a fierce WhatsApp campaign and the “industry of lies” established around it, it is virtually impossible to control what kind of content is shared and, if the accusations are proven true, “the fraud completely taints the election process.” “If Bolsonaro and his campaign are proven to be associated with the actions of those groups of people who committed unlawful acts, even if he is elected, he can be impeached and be ineligible to run for eight years,” the expert says.
http://www.brasilwire.com/accused-of-electoral-fraud-bolsonaro-could-face-disqualification/
DT
Oct 19th, 2018 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -1”It's illegal if you pay your 500 'friends' to retweet it, or if your message is slanderous and it damages someone's reputation, or if you misuse people's data (dunno what the laws are in Brazil, but sounds like they do exist.)”
First they need to prove you paid your friends, that it wasn't a spontaneous reaction ; second , if the funds for such tweeting were extraneous to Bolsonaro's campaign (funds), he'd have no way of controlling it ; third, “slanderous” messages....that almost sounds like joke, given the sh*t came from both sides. Just fyi, in Brazil, spreading fake news via social networks, became rampant under the PT...near the end of Dilma's first term you notice its appearance, and it took on bigger proportions as the election neared, and Dilma needed to ruin Aécio's image, as hers was already pretty dirty. It's a notorious fact that the PT was paying millions to several PT bloggers, to spread fake news....became very obvious when Dilma's campaign paid to spread lies that Aécio would terminate the BF, as well as the popular housing program “Minha Casa, Minha Vida” (by a guy named Querino... who just happened to be the owner of the Contractor “Casa Mais”) ....did anything come of it ? No.
Regarding TH's allegation that Cambridge Analytica is involved in Bolsonaro's campaign is pure bs....CA closed down May 2017, well before the campaign started, 2nd half of 2018.
Comrade Terrence Hill confuses us all here when he attaches a link to the contemptible and mendacious BRAZIL WIRE that betrays the glorious Brazilian proletariat voters to fool them into believing they should abandon their justifiable revolution in eliminating the ruthless and evil bourgeoisie Partido dos Trabalhadores.
Oct 19th, 2018 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Perhaps Terrence Hill got up on the wrong side of his mattress this morning and forgot to take his anti-psychotic drugs...
My advice for the Marxist-Communist Terrence Hill is to increase his intake of antidepressants combined with a strong mood stabilizer to calm is bi-polar mental challenges. He knows deep in his heart that Bolsonaro is his idol.
Poor Terrence Hill, he needs to open his eyes...
@JB
Oct 20th, 2018 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0In reality you wouldn't pay your friends, you'd hire a company that sets up 100's of fake accounts to follow you and retweet stuff, same as spammers do. If your fake news is well written (ie has the same sort of appeal as urban legends) then once you get it out to enough people, they'll start sharing it themselves.
Second, if third party campaigning is not already regulated in Brazil then it needs to be ASAP, otherwise it's far too easy for parties to get around the spending caps by demanding companies spend the money directly, rather than donating it to them.
Third, maybe it's harder to sue in Brazil... and I don't think saying Aécio would end the BF is slanderous, were they accusing him of anything more personal?
It's much SAFER to stick to the good old traditions!
Oct 20th, 2018 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZxtTEHgmwvU/T0T07BjfDqI/AAAAAAAAAzA/vB0jF7a5cXA/s1600/sociedade+moderna+economia.jpg
@DT
Oct 20th, 2018 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But they need to prove Bolsonaro paid these companies to set up fake accounts to fire off millions of messages....if they can't link this directly to him, it's useless.
In the 2014 election there was ample proof Dilma's campaign actually paid for this, as well as before, regarding the PT bloggers, paid (by govt) to spread favourable news abt her performance. That is what got her re-elected...LIES.
Corporate 'donations' have been prohibited, this being the first election without them ....and that is exactly what I've always been against....no corporation hands out millions to top contenders without expecting something in return later on....I'm even against public funding...US$ 1 billion went to these pigs for this election....I believe that only limited, identified, individual donations should be allowed...if a party receives no donations, it because no one wants them, and they should disappear.
“Slanderous” is just one of the types of fake news.....and to claim that a candidate will end social programs when his government proposals are clear in that they will not, this false crap needs to stop. Talking of Government proposals, the PT, over the last 3 months, has altered their original proposal three times...in the first version of it, Haddad was going to call a nat'l assembly to draw up a new constitution (similarly to what Maduro did in VZ), now he's cancelled that ; in the first version he was going to re-introduce sexual and G-I orientation classes in public schools, now he's toned it down to just 'discussing' it ; his first version was going to decriminalize drugs (don't know which), now he's said he won't ; He said he was going to limit the tenures of high court judges, now he wants to 'only debate it'. He refused to say whether he would give Lula a pardon or not...finally, under pressure, he said he wouldn't. Party chief Gleisi Hoffman said he has to (pardon Lula)....A nice state of affairs, dances according to the music and undecisive.
JB
Oct 21st, 2018 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse -2Apparently not in Brazil, as Lula was convicted with a lot less evidence.
@JB
Oct 21st, 2018 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Corporate 'donations' have been prohibited”
That's good news, now they just have to enforce it. And as I said, allowing third parties to campaign for candidates outside the limits is a massive loophole.
You're right that it would probably be hard to prove B's involvement, and besides, I don't think the judges will be as zealous as they were with the PT - as long as B sticks to the 'business friendly' policies.
Did the trial over Dilma's campaign also look at social media spending, or was it just the illegal contributions?
“and to claim that a candidate will end social programs when his government proposals are clear in that they will not, this false crap needs to stop.”
I agree, but it sounds like the PT weren't spreading the sort of scurrilous accusations that B's allies are now. Anyway, we need to find some way of halting the deluge of misinformation, it's a threat to democracy.
Where are the PT's proposals? I tried looking at their website but couldn't find them. Decriminalising drugs is unlikely to make much difference since Brazil is a transit point more than a market for them. They'd have to legalise the drug trade and turn the gangs into legitimate businesses, and there's no way the US would allow you to do that. Trump would have promised to pardon Lula if he was in Haddad's shoes, but that's what happens when you have the monkey standing for election instead of the organ grinder.
@TH
Sorry, but you're an idiot.
@JB
Oct 21st, 2018 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “the 1st step is NOT to indicate corrupt politicians”:
AGREED!
But WHERE to find these so-called “NOT-corrupt-politicians”? If they are not so corrupt; WHAT on earth are they really doing - WASTING their time in politics?
https://www.cartoonmovement.com/depot/cartoons/2016/06/27/corrupt_politicians__alfredo_martirena.jpeg
@JB
Oct 21st, 2018 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1To finish off the discussion on the story “Conditions in Venezuela...”:
“Lie to customer he'll never forgive you ; tell him the truth, no matter how bad, he will.”
I wish our leadership team would take that to heart. It's funny that people would be more honest in Brazil than in the US.
Subsistence farming... there was a comedy series here about a couple who decided to be self-sufficient and turned their suburban garden into a smallholding. It sounds nice in theory, but not practical in a country where 40% of food has to be imported, and that's with efficient mechanised farms and (also imported) artificial fertiliser. Even in Brazil, don't you already have the problem that would-be subsistence farmers can't get any land?
When I heard about what was happening in NY it was just one plane, and they still thought it could be an accident, but by the time I turned the TV on the second plane had hit, and they kept replaying it from different angles. They evacuated most of the people from the floors below the impact, but some of the people above jumped to their deaths rather than stay in the smoke and flames; there was a steady stream of people falling. When the towers collapsed it was weirdly quiet and they sort of telescoped down into the lower floors until everything disappeared in the smoke. No one could believe what happened.
It must have been awful being on the spot and not knowing what was going on, but at least you found your friends and your brother got good news in the end.
I don't believe the conspiracies either, and I've seen some weird ones. I suspect the signs were ignored mostly because no one imagined such a thing could happen. And Pearl Harbor is even more ridiculous, if the Americans knew in advance they would never have allowed so much damage to their fleet.
@DT
Oct 21st, 2018 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “It's funny that people would be more honest in Brazil than in the US”:
NOT true at all!
Honestly ignorant people are well-spread throughout the world. It's neither the privilege of Brazil nor that of the USA. In a few countries, they are not even permitted to use their honesty/ignorance as the case may be:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-51hcAIeFWxY/Ti2sHOIOemI/AAAAAAAAAFk/abZA4QwvdXg/s1600/charge+pol%25C3%25ADtica.jpg
DT
Oct 21st, 2018 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sorry,..” Don't be I only have to see who's opining.
Again, my advice for Terrence Hill to serious consider increasing his intake of antidepressants combined with a strong mood stabilizer to calm is bi-polar mental challenges. He's losing his mind that Bolsonaro is going to democratically win because the majority of Brazilians want change. ¡Viva Bolsonaro!
Oct 21st, 2018 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse -1@DT
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse -1Don’t get me wrong, Brazilians are not all that truthful…I was, because I knew a lie would come back to bite me in the ass.
In Brazil, subsistence farming, unable to meet demand, became impracticable - small
farmers abandoned the land. The mechanized agribusiness came in 'n worked, exploring Brazil’s potential 'n making it self-sufficient in most things. For decades, through the so-called ‘agrarian reform’ program, government has offered land to those who wish to produce for themselves, and locally, but the MST appeared and decided it wasn’t enough…instead of using its funding for fertilizer and seeds, they used it to transform the MST into an amorphous political movement, with very different objectives to farming. And today, the last thing on its mind is to work the land.
It took quite some time to assimilate the fact that the towers had ‘just disappeared’…every year when I go back, I make a point of going back to ground zero to reflect and remind myself how it was...eventually the Liberty Tower was completed and the area has regained its previous greatness, but I’ll never forget walking around, and in the WTC complex. What used to fascinate me were the hundreds of shops in the ‘basement’ of the complex (7 buildings if not mistaken), the main lobbies and the size and speed of the elevators. But as you said, knowing my friends – all but one – made it out safely, was a great consolation. It could’ve been far worse, as it was for hundreds of families. The day after, in the suburbs, there were dozens of long queues of people waiting to donate blood….the people’s solidarity was impressive and made one feel part of the whole thing.
But I suppose there will always be someone who isn’t willing to accepts the facts (or at least the plausible ones) and look for hair on eggs.
@Chicureo
Sound advice is lost on TH....he is a deluded idiot, and no amount of medz will sort him out.
Let him squirm...the PT's lost...Lula will be transferred to a max security prison.
From Frying Pan to FIRE: IF there is ANYONE hoping for a substantial improvement; it's time to stop smoking/sniffing/injecting whatever one is addicted to:
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ladrao-2019-2.jpg?resize=290%2C420&ssl=1
“Eduardo Bolsonaro warned TSE they would face dire consequences if they contested his father’s candidacy.
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”A soldier and a corporal are enough to close Brazil's Supreme Electoral Court (TSE), Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of Brazilian Presidential Candidate Jair Bolsonaro, said Sunday. ...
In response to the video, the president of the Supreme Electoral Court (TSE), Rosa Weber said that state institutions are strong and “all the judges who honor their toga and would not allow themselves to be shaken by any manifestation that eventually can be understood as of inadequate.”
https://www. telesurtv.net/english/news/Brazil-Bolsonaros-Son-Threatens-Electoral-Court-with-Violence-20181021-0014.html
Hitler was voted into office.
TH,
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As usual you try to make a mountain out of a molehill....1st, the TSE isn't going to contest anything because there's nothing to contest...unless of course, they include the PT in the same accusations ; 2nd, PSL is /would be allowed to question any decision the TSE might come up with, but nevertheless would not have the power to make anyone face dire consequences...and if questioning a decision of a higher court , to you, is not playing cricket, then what do you have to say about Lula's questioning every TSE and STF decision, and saying that if elected, he would jail a few judges ?
And in your little, restricted world, where things obviously work differently to the real world, you post your apocalyptic crap, believing you can foresee the future...
“Hitler was voted into office”...So ?
Of all the violence attributed to Bolsonaro followers, 98% is fake. They claim 50 cases of violence.....only ONE, the murder of a 'capoerista' in a bar in Bahia, after a discussion over politics, is true.....the others are bs, as confessed by the girl who cut a swastika in to her own belly, then tried to pin it on Bolsonaristas....when the police called her in to be questioned and to identify her aggressors, she backed down and admitted she'd done it to herself...
Ah, btw, your source forgot to mention the PSOL idiot who knifed Bolsonaro...because that, in the eyes of the left, and your's, is not violence... “n'est ce pas, Terry ma poupée” ?
TH, why don't you consult reliable sources i/o your usual bs ?
JB
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As usual you try to make a mountain out of a molehill..”
”A soldier and a corporal are enough to close Brazil's Supreme Electoral Court (TSE)“Eduardo Bolsonaro
I don't think so, as in the real world such conduct would at a minimum be described as a constitutional crisis, and at least warrant legal censure.
Regarding Hitler...
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...seriously?...
...really Terry...you need to take some serious medications...
Does the thought of the Brazilian majority willing to escape from the ineffective criminal political corrupt leadership in a free democratic election frighten you so much?
Your best bet is a glass of cold milk, warm cookies and a large dose of Valium...
TH
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not discussing the legal aspects of events which could lead to a “constitutional crisis”, but what would and does happen in the 'real world', something which you are not too familiar with.
But what about your link on all the fake news, attributing violent acts to “Bolsonaristas” ?
It's amazing how you avoid issues that show you are a bullshitter...
And what was your point is telling us “Hitler was voted into office” ? try to make some sense of it...
What you don't want to accept is the fact that by the look of it the PT is out....that nearly 2/3 of the population has had enough of them....while the majority voted for the PT, all was just fine, now that many ex-PT voters have had enough of leftist bs and want change, it isn't ?
JB
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your link on all the fake news” So you pathetically claim, but are unable to refute any of my recent posts. So it is perfectly clear that the only proven faker is you.
“Thoughts are either true or false in an absolute sense, never both or neither.”
plato.stanford.edu/entries/states-of-affairs/
”After joking about how easy it would be to close the court, Mr Bolsonaro’s son continued: “What is the supreme court, man? Take away the power of the pen of a judge on the court, what is he then in the street? . . . If you arrested a judge on the court, do you think there will be popular protests in favour of a supreme court judge?”
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember when I said the power of the US constitution is exactly that people believe in it and support it? If you arrested a Supreme Court judge in the US, I think there would be protests - in which country is democracy safer?
What happens in the real world is exactly what you feared Lula doing, Jack. What is happening now in Hungary and Poland, what is far more advanced in Russia. Just because Bolsonaro is on the opposite side of the political fence does NOT make you safe.
Speaking of “Fake News” ...Comrade Terrence Hill mindlessly follows his heroes: Hegel, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Castro, Chavez, Maduro, Mao, Lula and other communists. Meanwhile the majority of Brazilian people have awoken to reality and will democratically vote for Bolsonaro as their president.
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Reality sucks doesn't it Terry?
JB
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am not discussing the legal aspects of events which could lead to a “constitutional crisis”
“You bet your sweet bippy” your not.
So Bolsonaro has declared he is going to violate the Brazilian Constitution, and The Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Brazil is a signatory.
Brazil's Constitution of 1988 with Amendments through 2014
XLVII. there shall be no penalties:
d. of banishment;
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights
“Article 9: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.”
@JB
Oct 22nd, 2018 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I was, because I knew a lie would come back to bite me in the ass.”
Yes, it does in most cases, though politicians and their supporters seem to get away with telling plenty. Anyway, so far our Brazilian customers are much less demanding than the US and EU ones. Maybe they have lower expectations.
“In Brazil, subsistence farming, unable to meet demand, became impracticable”
You said you thought you could live on your land, so apparently it can meet the relevant demand of feeding a family. Isn't the agrarian reform in the constitution exactly what the MST fight for (at least in theory), because the government isn't going to do it unless forced? I don't know if Brazil would be better off with more small farms, they'd probably be less productive, but you'd have fewer unemployed people in the cities committing crimes. Who farms your family's land now?
I never saw the WTC. There's a museum there now, right, with some bits of the wreckage? What happened to your friend who didn't get out, or don't you know?
“The day after, in the suburbs, there were dozens of long queues of people waiting to donate blood”
Americans always do that, is it really useful? But I suppose they want to help however they can.
There is no shortage of the news/discussions regarding TSE/STF, Fake-News, Crisis, etc, etc, etc BUT there is NO news of any arrests, anyone getting convicted. So as usual, is it much ado about NOTHING or maybe a strom brewing in a cup of coffee?:
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.otempo.com.br/image/contentid/policy:1.2058143:1540244603/Capturar.JPG?f=3x2&w=620&$p$f$w=2000ec9
@TH
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“a soldier 'n corporal are enough to close the STF….” In your post you claim it was “said on Sunday”….which Sunday ? in June, or 'last' Sunday ? you’ve got it all wrong, as usual.
Anyway, under the “Paulo Guedes..” thread, I posted a video 'n comments proving E.Bolsonaro’s comments were taken out of context….something you do all the time.
You still haven’t explained why you posted “Hitler was voted into office”….explain, or STFU.
You published a link to a TELESUR report, focused on violence by Bolsonaro followers….only one known case, that of the ‘capoeirista’ in Bahia…same source ignored the attempt on Bolsonaro’s life…why ? 'n the swastika on the girl’s belly was self-inflicted…look it up on youtube, dickhead....stop posting fake news.
@TH/DT
Re-sending the WADIH DAMOUS video, which for some reason, when posted, got substituted for the E.Bolsonaro one: https://youtu.be/EsNMX-fXyWU
@DT
Bolsonaro hasn’t even been elected yet 'n the left is in panic…'n spreading fake news like never before. But what we DO know as fact, is the existence of the Foro de SP 'n its objective of turning LatAm into one big socialist State….which brings me back to the question, again, ”what is so different, in your opinion, between the extreme Left and the extreme right that makes the Left so much better ?
Lying in business has its consequences, in politics seldom.
In the old days, govt did not solve the water problem in the NE (wells etc).The agrarian reform, already operational in other regions, before the MST appeared, is what the MST “originally” fought for. Land to work. Once given to them, they abandoned it. Start from scratch ? no way, they wanted the govt to expropriate 'n give them productive farmland. Land others had prepared 'n worked hard on.
Today, land is last on their priority list. Keeping the PT in power, who subsidized them, as a political movement, is.
Re WTC, that friend was killed….and with 100s injured, why not give blood ?
“what is so different, in your opinion, between the extreme Left and the extreme right that makes the Left so much better ?”
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The difference is I don't think Lula and Haddad are extreme left, I certainly don't think that seeing Vz now, they could be crazy enough to want to turn Brazil into it. I don't believe Lula tried to make himself a dictator, either, or if he did he was remarkably incompetent at it.
I'd rather not see the PT in power again, because though they didn't try and get power over the judiciary, press etc before, they would surely see the advantages now. But Bolsonaro has pretty much declared his disdain for democracy, institutions and the rule of law, and worse is likely to get support from most of Brazil's press and business community, meaning there will be fewer limitations on what he does. The left is in a panic because they are afraid of being persecuted again, and afraid democracy, free speech etc will be undermined, in short, afraid that B means what he says. I am afraid that Bolsonaro will do what Chavez did - take over the country while crowds cheer him on, and when you realise what has happened, it will be too late.
If you'd had a friend in Venezuela who planned to vote for Chavez back at the beginning of the century, what would you have said to him?
Re the MST, I suppose all the productive land was already taken, but the constitution only allows them to expropriate land that's not in use, right?
“why not give blood”
I don't know, but it doesn't happen here, and I presume they would ask if it was required. Perhaps there's a shortage in the US. Do people give blood after disasters in Brazil?
@DT
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, Lula/ Haddad probably aren't “extreme” left, but they sure used it's appeal to the poor, to further Lula's Bolivarian dream...you mustn't forget, most politicians here, especially the left, will use anything that they see as advantageous to their cause. Obviously they wouldn't want to preside over a big VZ, but definitely over a big Cuba. Neither suit the Brazilian way of life, problem is the poor don't even understand the implications of the Foro de SP.
Lula was incompetent , as are most petistas, because they believe ideology is more important than simple, honest government. That's where they all go wrong. Temer tried to solve a few problems, but due to corruption (his as well) and the left's determination to see him fail, he did fail.
Bolsonaro, in his statements, has said a lot of things that sound extreme, but as I've said, I believe this was his way of fighting against what he sees as an attempt by the left to dominate 'n take over at any cost. Thus, mensalão/PB scandal etc, to finance their project.
I believe - and time will tell whether I'm right or wrong - that Bolsonaro, once /if president, will abandon the exaggerated rhetoric, as the campaign will have ended.
In the late 90's, having read about Chavez's plans before he was elected, I'd have counselled any VZ friend to NOT vote for him...it was easy to see the lies between the lines. The poor in VZ - the great majority - couldn't.
“Productive” land was only productive because hard work had transformed it...from scratch. The MST would invade farms, destroy machinery, crops, agricultural labs, local power stations....'n there's plenty of idle land to explore w/o the need to expropriate.
Giving blood spontaneously after disasters in the US, is common...just solidarity at work. Anyway, I saw it in the more affluent subburbs, not in the cities.
In Brazil there's a chronic lack of supply of blood...the blood banks are constantly campaigning for donations, but most people don't seem to care.
JB
Oct 23rd, 2018 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You published a link to a TELESUR report, focused on violence by Bolsonaro followers”
Where and when?
“In your post you claim it was “said on Sunday”
I didn't make any such claim, if there is then The Guardian made it.
”explain, or STFU.“ You don't get to issue orders. If you have someone running for office who is facist, its not new its been done before.
”I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the monkey's.“ –Mark Twain
above the monkey's.” Mark Twain
Shock me, say something intelligent
@TH
Oct 24th, 2018 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Where and when?
2 days ago....(the 16th post above....can you count ?)
”Terence Hill
“Eduardo Bolsonaro warned TSE they would face dire consequences if they contested his father’s candidacy.
”A soldier and a corporal are enough to close Brazil's Supreme Electoral Court (TSE), Eduardo Bolsonaro, the son of Brazilian Presidential Candidate Jair Bolsonaro, said Sunday. ...
In response to the video, the president of the Supreme Electoral Court (TSE), Rosa Weber said that state institutions are strong and “all the judges who honor their toga and would not allow themselves to be shaken by any manifestation that eventually can be understood as of inadequate.”
https://www. telesurtv.net/english/news/Brazil-Bolsonaros-Son-Threatens-Electoral-Court-with-Violence-20181021-0014.html
Hitler was voted into office“.
If you pass the bullshit on, it makes you just as stupid as the original source.
”You don't get to issue orders”.....and who gives a rat's arse what you think ?
There, Mark Twain's quote describes you down to a tee.
JB
Oct 24th, 2018 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you pass the bullshit on,...” Blah, blah, Blah. Bottom line it's true, therefore you're unable to refute it.
TH
Oct 24th, 2018 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Blah, blah, Blah. Bottom line it's true....”
you just finished denying you had posted a TELESUR link....when caught lying, instead of admitting you pissed out the pot, you come with a feeble “Blah, blah, blah”, and insist the fake news is true.....I don't need to refute your BS, you do it pretty well, all by yourself.
BTW, did you enjoy the Wadih Damous video ? do you think that what he said was any less stupid than what Eduardo Bolsonaro did ?
JB
Oct 24th, 2018 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you just finished denying you had posted a TELESUR link.” No, I did not that is a lie. I asked “Where and when?” Which is your obligation to provide.
At least both Haddy & Bolso are good at telling jokes. Too Many differences but ONE hope:
Oct 25th, 2018 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.velhosamigos.com.br/Content/Imagens/piadas/charge-190417.jpg
TH
Oct 25th, 2018 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is not a lie....did you or did you not post the below crap ?
”https://www. telesurtv.net/english/news/Brazil-Bolsonaros-Son-Threatens-Electoral-Court-with-Violence-20181021-0014.html
Hitler was voted into office“.
Where : Take look at the 21st post above......if you can't count, ask someone to help you locate it...
When : 3 days ago.
@JB
Oct 25th, 2018 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The proper response to Terry's “where and when” is to say you don't take orders from him. That's the excuse he uses not to back up anything he says. But the best response of all is nothing...
“Obviously they wouldn't want to preside over a big VZ, but definitely over a big Cuba.”
Perhaps. Why is Cuba better off than Vz though, when they have no oil, have been properly communist for decades, and under real sanctions from the US the entire time?
As for B, he's said the same sort of stuff all the time he was a Deputy, and it's what made him popular (a depressing insight into human nature). So I doubt he'll abandon it as president. More likely is that congress will limit what he can do, as it has for previous presidents. What I would worry about is if he succeeds in, say, reduce crime significantly. If he becomes popular enough then he'll have a lot more leeway to do what he likes, and that's always a risk.
I watched a documentary about the MST, but of course, it only showed one point of view. And you know some land is inherently more productive than other bits, that's why most crops are grown in certain areas of the UK
“In Brazil there's a chronic lack of supply of blood...the blood banks are constantly campaigning for donations, but most people don't seem to care.”
That's a shame. My Mum used to give blood regularly, but I never have. I don't think I could before but they changed the rules recently, so maybe I should register, especially since I'm type O-. Of course, anyone who lived in Britain is banned from donating in other countries due to the BSE risk.
@DT
Oct 25th, 2018 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no proper response to TH, because he is not normal....he's very under-average.
Why Cuba is better off than VZ ? they have a much smaller population, they were isolated whereas VZ wasn't, they had a strong grip on the people right from the start, but never fucked things up like Chavez did near the end, and as Maduro is doing now...20 years ago, the Foro de SP, could not foresse that one of their future supporters would screw things up like in VZ, that's why I say “TODAY”, a big Cuba would be preferable to “them” than a big VZ.
Regarding B, his recent rhetoric is inspiring people, much in the same way Lula's did 20 years ago....it's called 'change'...and after 14 years of the PT, believe me, we need it. I still maintain, he has become less radical, and will probably toe the line if he gets in. Let's wait 'n see if your doubts come true.
Well, if he becomes popular by doing good things, like reducing crime, good....but even popular, Congress needs to go along with any (unlikely) attempts to radicalize.
No land that today is productive, fell into it's owners hands...they received the land as nature made it, and only hard work transformed it....the MST does not even want to try to do the right thing...they are no longer a movement trying to make an honest living, but one that survives on political mayhem. And, Brazil is 8.5 million sq kms...the UK, only 209,000....there is no lack of good land here, if you are prepared to work.
I'm also type O+, and I used to donate, but now they think I'm too old.....too bad for them.
JB
Oct 26th, 2018 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It is not a lie...” Unless you can specifically show where I have denied I have posted a TELESUR link. I haven't so are a LIAR period
DT
“The proper response...” Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it.
TsHit
Oct 26th, 2018 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First you denied you'd sent the link...now you deny that you denied having sent it...conclusion : you sent it, and think you're a smart ass by denying your denials....just like the 'petistas', who spread fake news, then deny it, and once proved they lied, they say they didn't lie...just like Haddad over the 'bahiano' singer who accused Mourão of having tortured him in 1969...when Mourão was 16.....even Haddad who jumped on the band wagon and accused Mourão of being a torturer, now says he didn't lie, but just 'confirmed' what the stupid 'bahiano' claimed....exactly the same tactics as used by you, Numb Nuts.
And, like your bs that Mourão was Gen Augusto Heleno's commander in Haiti....when he only 'visited” Haiti for a few days with a delegation while he was commander of Brazil's southern military command....
Also you claim that you are not a communist...as in your feeble defence of the 9-fingered inmate, that you only do so for legal reasons..... yet you now attack Bolsonaro, the Brazilian Military, and anything right of centre...and you claim you aren't a damned communist.
...careful or you'll start believing your own lies...
@JB
Oct 26th, 2018 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cuba were subsidised by the USSR during the cold war, but that probably only made up for the US sanctions. I don't know how they are managing now. Maybe the oil was really part of the problem, because it meant Chavez never had to build a strong economy, and they became so dependent on it that it lead to disaster. But yeah, the FdSP couldn't have foreseen what would happen, and no reason they would want countries to be poor. Keeping people happy is the way to stay in power, as in the Roman's bread and circuses.
“Regarding B, his recent rhetoric is inspiring people, much in the same way Lula's did 20 years ago”
I suppose if we were having this conversation back in 2002, I would be the one saying it sounded good, and you would be saying 'no, spreading hatred is bad for society', and having doubts. And if we looked to see how Lula was doing a few years later, the economy would be booming, poverty falling, and Lula wildly popular.
As for doing good things, it depends if the good outweighs the bad, and I think we'd have substantially different views on that.
“No land that today is productive, fell into it's owners hands...they received the land as nature made it, and only hard work transformed it”
That's probably true in the S & SE, but in other parts of the country, rich people were given huge estates by the Portuguese crown, and had slaves to do all the hard work of making it productive. And today, their descendants own it all, while the descendants of the slaves have nothing. How is that fair?
And sure there is plenty of land in Brazil (though a lot of it is rainforest), but it's all owned by someone, isn't it, or else protected as nature reserves etc?
Here's the documentary I watched, anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZj4YgYqsc
JB
Oct 26th, 2018 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me make a simple as I can. “First you denied you'd sent the link” If that was true how come your unable to show my denial? Game, set and match.
“That Mourão was Gen Augusto Heleno's commander in Haiti.” For the second time, well according to Heleno's he was, and he certainly knows better than you.
”My unrestricted support for my longtime friend and respected military chief (Mourão), “wrote Augusto Heleno, on Facebook”
https:// exame.abril.com.br/.../ex-comandante-de-tropas-no-haiti-def...
“yet you now attack Bolsonaro,” When he makes threats of imprisonment or banishment against a political opponent, contrary to the Brazilian Constitution then it piques my legal interest. The military is simply an issue of fact that you have difficulty in grasping.
As rest of your nonsense I'm sure if I bothered to examine it, I'd probably find it is equally misinterpreted as the two issues you have addressed.
@TH
Oct 26th, 2018 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That article says Heleno was the first Brazilian commander of the forces in Haiti, which obviously wouldn't be the case if Mourão was his boss there. The fact Mourão was a 'military chief' doesn't mean he was Heleno's commander, and more particularly doesn't imply he was Heleno's commander in Haiti. Why don't you stick to worrying about the real things Mourão has said and done (and been fired by the army for) rather than making stuff up?
DT
Oct 26th, 2018 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“rather than making stuff up?” Quoting the honourable General is not making things up, in fact his words is what I'm relying on. You shouldn't be contradicting him as he has far greater knowledge of the subject matter at hand. So stop standing up in your crib and issuing directives to other posters, and rememberer that wonderful admonition to Mrs. Wordsworth from Lord Byron.
Honourable? Anyway, you haven't found a quote where Heleno says Mourão was his commander IN HAWAII, so you have failed to prove your claim.
Oct 26th, 2018 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Oct 26th, 2018 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you haven't found a quote where Heleno says Mourão was his commander IN HAWAII.” But, the press says he was.
”my longtime friend and respected military chief (Mourão), “wrote Augusto Heleno“
”Mourão, together with General Augusto Heleno, were Brazil’s top military commanders in its disastrous intervention in Haiti...”
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/10/16/paulo-guedes-the-ultra-liberal-economic-advisor-of-an-ultra-populist-nationalist/comments#comment493732
Your link doesn't work, but I think I found the article. I notice that when it goes into details about Helen's service in Haiti, it doesn't mention Mourão at all, and conversely Mourão's Wikipedia article doesn't mention Haiti. If he really served there, you should be able to find better evidence than an offhand mention in an unreliable publication.
Oct 26th, 2018 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Oct 26th, 2018 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you should be able to find better evidence than an offhand mention in an..” Well it seems that their reliability is a lot closer to the truth than your off the wall conjecture, without any evidence for your claim.
“rather than making stuff up?”
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