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Brazil’s top electoral authority said it has found irregularities in the campaign accounts of President-elect Jair Bolsonaro and gave him three days to explain. In a document published late Monday, the TSE electoral court described possible campaign donations from illegal sources, donations from unidentified donors and lack of information on how campaign funds were spent, among other issues. Read full article
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Nov 14th, 2018 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/genildo-10.jpg?resize=452%2C420&ssl=1
Quelle surprise. Are there any legal campaigns in Brazil? I like the fact they don't even bother to deny the allegations...
Nov 14th, 2018 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ :o))
Lol. And 'Bobo'. I may have to start using that since JB is taken.
@DT
Nov 14th, 2018 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +1REF: “Are there any legal campaigns in Brazil”
There aren't any legal campaigns? Says who? But of course the politicians are constantly campaigning:
- For higher salaries for THEM
- For more rights for THEM
- For more freedom for THEM
- For more privileges for THEM
- For more benefits for THEM
- For more protection [this one is new] for THEM!
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@DT (contn “Lula challenges.... etc”)
Nov 17th, 2018 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Percentage wise, 5.8 is not substantial to me, however, when you see “where” she cut, even smaller ones would be prejudicial. She only cut productive investments, no salaries/ benefits. That was my point.
The R$ 1,15 tri was finally approved in 03/2015 (3 months late) and the 69,9 was cut in May. “A ‘primary’ surplus means nothing when you still haven’t accounted for R$ 500 bill in interest, representing an addtl 45 % over primary expenses. What sort of math is that ? someone/ something is bound to come up short. Guedes is out to cut ‘government’ expenses, not investments. If he manages to get rid of the State-owned companies, he’ll reduce debt, as well as interest payments, which easy to see are crippling. Anyway, I don’t believe you can spend your way out of recession. Running expenses have to be cut, not productive investment.
Temer tried to eliminate 10 ministries, only managed 5. Too much resistance. After FHC, 'n under the PT, the number of ministries all but doubled….the 113,000 had to be fitted in somewhere.
There was consumer debt…of the 60 odd % that had debt, about half were behind, or unable to pay(unemploymt). The Central bank, not being independent under the PT, i.e., had to do what Dilma ordered, reason why the prime rate rose to 14.25% to curb credit…'n inflation…but didn’t work too well. Bad for the PT ? screw the PT, it was bad for Brazil. The interest rate is “supposed” to be an instrument to control inflation, 'n as such, requires a fine-tune balance, not just some gross rule of thumb. But without an independent CB, what chance was there for solid monetary control ?
“That's not true at all in the UK”….perhaps in the UK, regarding UK matters….but I’m pretty sure that the news fm Brazil, that you get through the BBC is biased, to the left….I read some of their reports on here (links on MP), and compared to the truth, they’re usually sympathetic to anything left, and critical of the right.
@JB
Nov 18th, 2018 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “Guedes is out to cut ‘government’ expenses, not investments. If he manages to get rid of the State-owned companies, he’ll reduce debt, as well as interest payments, which easy to see, are crippling”:
I'm just a little bit too skeptical about all this!
The chances of him replacing one kind of expenditure with another [which benefit this group] are just too great!
EXAMPLE:
REF:
http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//pelicano.jpg
If the SAME/SIMILAR justifications are used for cutting-off the ties for the SAME/SIMILAR justifications, Brazil MUST break-up all sorts of ties with China as well:
: Considering their record of Human Rights
: Considering their record of slavery [cheap & forced labor]
: Simply Considering them as being COMMUNISTS
THE TRICK is to PINPOINT THE Factual/Real ULTERIOR MOTIVE! [or definitely; there is NONE?]
You said they cut mainly urban development, health, education, infrastructure, defence. But I don't think I understand what you mean by a productive investment. Are you talking about whole areas, like education is productive and pensions not, or is it within each area? If you cut teacher's salaries wrt inflation, or fire some, is that good because it cuts running costs, or bad because it worsens education? I'd say each department probably has some some fat that can be trimmed, but after that you are going to degrade services, infrastructure etc.
Nov 18th, 2018 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re primary surplus, you may think it means nothing, but it took our government 8 years to achieve. And I don't know if you can spend your way out of recession, but I've seen for myself you can cut your way back into one. Dilma cut and Temer cut more - how is Brazil doing now?
“There was consumer debt…”
Probably that was what Krugman meant, then. And if 60% were behind or unable to pay, it probably did contribute to the crisis.
“Bad for the PT ? screw the PT”
Well sure, but it makes me doubt the high interest rates were their idea. If it was bad for Brazil but benefited the PT then I'd find it very plausible. I've been searching on Mercopress for articles about interest rates in Brazil, and they all blamed the high rates on high inflation; I couldn't find a single one mentioning PT interference with the central bank, and your comments didn't say anything about it either.
By the way, Argentina's Central Bank has raised interest rates to an eye watering 60% to counter inflation, and they have a centre-right government.
Re the press, I don't think ours is particularly sympathetic to Lula. I suspect the press in Brazil, at least the part you follow, is biased against the PT, being owned by the sort of rich people who want lower taxes and cheap workers. Same thing in the UK; they may oppose a populist like Trump, but they just love the economically orthodox centre-right Macri who promises to make their investments grow.
REF: The press/Report:
Nov 18th, 2018 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After all; the media is owned by SOMEBODY who has their financial interests in mind. So why not publicize what'd benefit them the most? NOTHING wrong with it!!!
@DT
Nov 18th, 2018 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Productive investmts : health, education, cheap housing, sanitation - produce positive results (quality of life), ‘n infrastructure which should eventually pay for itself (roads, railroads, ports)…Clear now ?
Pensions cannot be cut, unless proved fraudulent by the INSS, or thru alterations approved in Congress. Cut teachers’ salaries ? Course not…they alrdy earn far too little, given their responsibility.
Most public agencies have highly-inflated staffs, well over their needs, such as the PT’s 113,000 jobs filled in by ‘indication’, as ‘favors’ (no selection process). There’s plenty of fat to be “trimmed”.
Re primary surplus/ billions in interest, referring to ‘’Brazil”. To achieve balance, it has to start sometime... When ‘your’ salary ends, what do ‘you’ do ? get a loan, or cut back ? a responsible govt should not forget that principle.
“Bad for the PT” ? you still haven’t unstood what I’m saying : The PT did not benefit fm the high interest rates – no one did except the banks, 'n they certainly screwed Brazil - that’s why I say interest rates / inflation is a delicate balance, not achieved thru Dilma’s incompetent handling of the economy.
The interest rate is determined by the COPOM (Central bank)….’n you should consider ‘who’ currently controls the CB (as it is NOT independent).
Inflation/high interest rate is not a privilege of the right, or the left…it’s caused by losing control of govt expenditure when revenue shrinks.
During the PT years, the MSM usually refrained from criticizing the left, after all, it was getting billions every year, in institutional propaganda. Do you openly criticize the guy who pays your salary ?
Now, I expect the MSM here might become less critical of Bolsonaro… if they want their fat funds to keep rolling in…I follow the press on both sides (left, ‘n centre) 'n it’s easy to identify bias when it happens. The business community usually cuddles up with govt, as we’ve seen (PT, Odeb, PB), to obtain advantages.
Hmm. What about the police and prisons? And courts? Military? I'm unclear what you do want to cut. Public sector employees are mostly teachers, doctors, police, etc, no? Besides, does it make much difference to the economy who gets fired or paid less? It all reduces demand.
Nov 18th, 2018 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When ‘your’ salary ends, what do ‘you’ do ? get a loan, or cut back ?”
If I cut back there is no problem. If everyone cuts back at once, then you get a recession. Same if the government cuts back too much when the economy is weak. See this article for what happened when Britain tried it:
https://www.ft.com/content/1670a3d2-880f-11e2-8e3c-00144feabdc0
Our government cut damn near everything. The police, prisons, military, benefits, local councils, social housing. Teachers, nurses etc had their pay frozen for years during a time of high (for here) inflation. The economy went straight back into recession, they missed all their targets due to the shrinking tax base, our credit was downgraded, and average salaries only recently exceeded their 2007 level. And the other results are visible today in increased crime, prison riots, the chronic housing shortage, and people visiting food banks. (Not to mention the recent scathing UN report on poverty in the UK.)
RE interest rates, are you saying the PT weren't trying to do anything nefarious, they were just incompetent? What makes you think a fully independent Central Bank will do any better? I brought up Argentina because their central bank had the same response to high inflation and AFAIK it's independent.
I don't know what your media said about Lula, but they seemed more than happy to criticise Dilma and blame her for all Brazil's problems. Not to mention reporting all the protests against her in detail. I was worried the press would support B due to his new found
neo-liberal policies, but since he's antagonised them before even taking office, hopefully that won't happen. How does the Brazilian media compare to Fox news in terms of bias?
@DT
Nov 19th, 2018 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “Our government cut damn near everything”:
EXCEPT the salaries + extra benefits + special privileges of the crooks which are actually HELPING to cripple the ALREADY crippled economy!
FORGET about cutting ANY of the aforesaid. Under one pretext or another [perfectly justifiable of course], they are very likely to INCREASE such thefts - and that too very LEGALLY! The Most Likely Substantial Increase in the Military Budget - for EXAMPLE? The elections have come & gone but so far there is no news - no “TALK”, not even a whisper - about a Practical+Bold Immediate Plan or at least a Short-Term Plan [most urgent need] - to improve the horribly drained economy!
DT
Nov 19th, 2018 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why d'you keep on looking for hair on eggs ? Nowhere did I suggest cutting Police, courts, military, teachers, doctors...and you're wrong, the biggest groups of public sector employees, by far - those that “I” would cut - are bureaucrats, dozens of 1000s taken on without a selection process. What can't you unstand ?
“If I cut back there is no problem. If everyone cuts back at once, then you get a recession”
I really think you don't unstand....'you' were just an example. When 'your' money is short, you and “all those in the same situation”, should cut back...or perhaps you think they should max out their credit cards, take loans, knowing they will default (???) DT, I've said it before 'n I'll say it again : 1st, I'm discussing Brazil; 2nd, there's a fine-balance needed between increasing interst rates 'n controlling inflation, no going over the edge with exaggerated doses to correct deviations.
How the UK tried to solve its problems is irrelevant to how Brazil should solve its own...two completely different stages of development, different priorities rgdng what can/should be done.
“RE interest rates, are you saying the PT weren't trying to do anything nefarious, they were just incompetent? ” EXACTLY, thought that was clear.
“What makes you think a fully independent Central Bk will do any better?” Forget ARG, their crisis is structurally different to ours. An independent CB controls the money-tap, w/o the possibility of being pressured by a govt that might want to use it politically. The CB is not meant to be 'used by govt' to cover bad planning, or implement policy to make the government look good while the country is going to hell. But every country/situation may have reasons (not always good) for wanting CB independence or not. One of the CB functions is to keep govt in check.
That's why Lula's the 'teflon' prez, nothing sticks to him, 'n he 'always' finds someone else to blame...even his late wife.
Don't have Fox ; Bzl's MSM is biased to the left.
I wanted to know which areas you think are productive, and you've many times complained about the unfair benefits and high salaries the public sector workers get. Why wouldn't I think you'd want to cut them? If you want to balance the budget then there are hard decisions to be made. Just how many 'bureaucrats' are there in Brazil, compared to other public sector employees, and what do they do?
Nov 19th, 2018 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“perhaps you think they should max out their credit cards, take loans, knowing they will default”
If the UK's response to a huge budget deficit is not relevant to Brazil dealing with the same, then comparing the finances of a single individual suffering a pay cut must be pointless. But I don't buy that. Of course no two countries are identical, but if economics is of any use at all it must be able to identify commonalities and laws. I don't think it's a coincidence that Chile is the only country in South America to have pursued counter-cyclical policy, and they have by far the best finances.
“The CB is not meant to be 'used by govt' to cover bad planning, or implement policy to make the government look good while the country is going to hell.”
I agree, and when you complained the PT interfered with the CB, I assumed this sort of thing was what you meant, not that they merely made bad decisions. But I understand what you are saying now.
Re the media, I think I asked the wrong question. You've also said the US media is biased to the left, is Brazil's better or worse in your opinion?
I'll be coming to South America next week for my holiday in Argentina, I should have wi-fi but I may not have time to write long replies.
@DT:
Nov 20th, 2018 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “The CB is not meant to be 'used by govt' to cover bad planning, or implement policy to make the government look good while the country is going to hell”
Not “MEANT” to be used? It's the primary function of the CB which unexceptionally is FOR the politicians and is used BY the politicians.
For ANY transaction, Virtual Money [Credit Cards?] and banning of the paper-money above worth US$ 5 can make corruption more difficult and the investigations [of the Money-Trail] may be more easy - I guess.
https://i1.wp.com/humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Cabral-580x406.jpg?resize=580%2C406
We haven't had paper money worth less than US$5 in my lifetime, that would ban anything but coins! But with contactless payment, you hardly ever need cash anyway.
Nov 20th, 2018 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Nov 20th, 2018 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's the damned bureacrats, including the dozens of thousands of political indications, that produce very little, or nothing in many cases, that bloat the govt machine.
Not sure how many public servants there are in total in Brazil, but in one site, the nbr was calculated at 12% of the population : 24 million.
In other sites :Federal govt : 2,07 million (Exec 1,9 mill, Leg 36,000; Jud 131,000 - just fyi, in the STF, 2,300, or over 200 per judge...to do what ?). Plus 113,000 political indications alone, in Ministries.
In the 3 govt spheres (Fed, State, Municipal) in 2000 there were 31 public servants per 1000 inhabitants ; in 2014, 44/1000, a 42% increase. In 2001 they cost 5.95% of GDP, 2014, 6.89%.
Towns with most public servants are in the N & NE (wonder why ?) , in most cases, over 40% of the working population, in some reaching 62%. In SP, that drops to 16%, 'n Rio 18%. Most of these people work (or, are only 'registered', ie, don't even have a desk to sit at and appear once a month to pick up their paycheck) in offices, and aren't very efficient. Not police, teachers, doctors.
“If the UK's response to a huge budget deficit is not relevant to Brazil dealing with the same..”
Getting 'back on track', my point is that in a crisis (falling revenue, 'n especially when predictable - or worse, when alrdy happening) the government should cut into it's own flesh, to trim the fat, to get rid of improductive bureaucrats. Spend the money where it is most needed, most productive.
Brazil's MSM on the whole is slightly slanted to the left...at the moment - may change. Seem to be more left-wing journalists, than impartial ones...this becomes visible during TV debates /discussion panels, on social/ economic issues...you can how they blindly defend leftist /politically correct views, and try to 'attack' those they disagree with.
Going to BA, want a good steak? go to 'La Brigada' (Calle Estados Unidos 465, San Telmo). Order a 'bife de chorizo', “medium-rare”.
For comparison I looked up how many public sector workers there are in the UK: 16.5%. And the proportion is higher in poor areas because for one the government sites big agencies there to provide employment, and two there are less people in private sector employment and more unemployed.
Nov 20th, 2018 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose with all those layers of government there are bound to be more civil servants in Brazil, but if there are people doing nothing then of course they should be made redundant. Sounds like the ñoquis in Argentina, who Macri made such a big deal of firing, but be warned that 1 year later there were more government employees than before he took over. Apparently they are not so easy to get rid of.
And not police, teachers or doctors, but the justice department, maybe (200 staff per judge)? Brazil's budget deficit is ~7% of GDP, so they'll have to cut far more than civil servants to eliminate it. Anyway, sounds like they are indirectly cutting doctors by making it difficult for the Cuban ones to stay.
“my point is that in a crisis the government should cut into it's own flesh, to trim the fat, to get rid of improductive bureaucrats.”
I can hardly disagree it is better to cut the productive rather than the unproductive, but IME it is not generally possible to balance the budget that way; real cuts to services are required. Besides, why wait for the crisis? If you get rid of bureaucrats when the private sector is booming they will more easily find new jobs and it won't disrupt the economy.
“you can how they blindly defend leftist /politically correct views”
I suppose you mean the things I believe in? Equality, rights for everyone? But the journalists mostly seem to represent the point of view of the well-off in Brazil, who are decidedly slanted to the right compared to here.
Yes, we're going to BA, but I seem to have very unfortunately picked the same weekend the G20 is being held, and they are advising all the people who live there to leave! I don't know what to do.
@DT
Nov 21st, 2018 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0By any comparison, when 16-18% public servants down south and 40-60% up north, something is very wrong....don't you think ?
Re the 200 per judge, they are not involved in legal work....drivers, cleaners, nurses, barbers, security, elevator operators, coffee servers, nutricionists....how many can 11 judges need ???
Anyway, even if cutting all the surplus bureaucrats won't eliminate the deficit, it's a good step in the right direction. If they don't start 'somewhere', they never will. Or is it better to leave it as it is and allow it to get worse ?
Re the cuban 'feldshers', it was Cuba's unilateral decision to make them return....I've told you why. Anyway, considering their limited role (like paramedics), even after 5 years there was no noticeable improvement in public health attendance.
The 'improductive' should not even exist, so obviously it has to be gotten rid of. Cutting productive investment is the LAST resort, not the first. Dilma's cuts affected essential services, while superfluous crap - under her control - carried on...and 'exactly', why wait for the crisis to hit , and then take only feeble measures to combat it ?
“I suppose you mean the things I believe in?”....don't take it personally...anyway, being left-wing and politically direct does not automatically translate into equality, rights ....
“But the journalists mostly seem to represent the point of view of the well-off in Brazil”....I think you are very badly informed.....the MSM/press here, does NOT favor, nor represents the interests of the well-off....much to the contrary, it lambasts the rich, as it they were the root of all evil (the leftist 'mantra')....and the rich are neither left, nor right....just money oriented, and they go to whichever side the money is on. True political ideology/conviction here is a farce....politicians use it to kid the people for personal gain, and the 'people' fall for it.
Leave BA during the G20 ? why, expecting terrorism, protests ?? I'd go, regardless.
@JB
Nov 21st, 2018 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “True political ideology/conviction here is a farce....politicians use it to kid the people for personal gain, and the 'people' fall for it”:
FALSE!
https://i1.wp.com/blogdoaftm.web2419.uni5.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2093-1024x768.jpg
:o))))))
“Re the cuban 'feldshers', it was Cuba's unilateral decision to make them return..” Your deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, but that's to be expected of a proven compulsive liar.
Nov 21st, 2018 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cuba has 42,000 workers in international collaborations in 103 different countries, of whom more than 30,000 are health personnel, including no fewer than 19,000 physicians.” Robert Huish and John M. Kirk (2007)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism
TH
Nov 21st, 2018 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“misrepresentation of the 'facts' ” ..of what happened here, in Brazil ? Prove it. Or, you can just STFU....
While you're thinking it over, watch this : https://youtu.be/iqmPPpXZ3DM
I know it's hard for you to accept the truth, but that's not my problem.
“Re the cuban 'feldshers', ... ..” Your fake-news, but that's to be expected of a proven compulsive liar.
Nov 21st, 2018 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”According to the World Health Organization, a feldsher (German: Feldscher, Russian: фельдшер, is a health care professional who provides various medical services limited to emergency treatment and ambulance practice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldsher
@JB
Nov 21st, 2018 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but I suspect what is wrong is probably the lack of private sector jobs up north. Sort of like the US rust belt or our former mining areas, where people have been left unemployed en masse.
“Dilma's cuts affected essential services, while superfluous crap - under her control”
Certainly sounds like a bad thing. What has Temer cut and left alone since he's been in charge?
Re the Cuban doctors, I thought you said it was the changes B is proposing that will likely lead to their going home? Not sending them away directly, but creating requirements that will have that result.
“being left-wing and politically direct does not automatically translate into equality, rights ....”
Certainly. There are left-wing authoritarians - in Cuba, for example - and they are not keen on rights. But the people defending 'politically correct' views are generally the ones who care about rights and equality, which makes me wonder why you object to them so much. It's impossible not to take things personally when it's your rights being argued over.
“it lambasts the rich”
Do you have an example? I can't say I have noticed this at all in the articles I read.
“True political ideology/conviction here is a farce....politicians use it to kid the people for personal gain, and the 'people' fall for it.”
I agree with that, but if you want to help the poor and reduce inequality, then generally the rich are not going to be on your side. A more equal distribution of wealth conflicts with their desire to gain and keep as much for themselves as possible.
“expecting terrorism, protests”
Yes, Argentina has had some attacks already, and protests there seem both likely and liable to turn violent, but I'm more worried everything will be closed/inaccessible due to security measures and/or protests and I won't be able to get around or see the things I came for. If only I'd realised I could have done things in a different order, but it didn't occur to me to check.
JB
Nov 21st, 2018 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cuba's missions in 68 countries are manned by 25,000 Cuban doctors.”
https://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Cuba
“Why Cuba Has the Best Doctors in the World
Cuban citizens have a life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women, which closely matches the United Kingdom’s..
https://theculturetrip.com/caribbean/cuba/articles/why-cuba-has-the-best-doctors-in-the-world/
”Oct 9, 2017 - The island nation scores better than the United States when it comes to infant mortality and life expectancy. ...
https://www. healthline.com/health-news/why-cant-us-provide-healthcare-for-poor
While its wonderful theory of Bolsonaro to pretend he has the best interests of Cuban doctors. The winners will be the coxinha's and the losers will be rural Brazilians with the loss of thousands of Cuban doctors.
@TH
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “the losers will be rural Brazilians with the loss of thousands of Cuban doctors”:
The Rural Brazilians don't count at all [but their votes DO]
REF: “Cuban citizens have a life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women”: Cuban PROPAGANDA?
http://www.jornaldepiracicaba.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/3096-CHARGE-ACABAR-COM-A-CORRUP%C3%87%C3%83O-27-07-2018.jpg
“Cuban PROPAGANDA?” Apparently not
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cuba : Life Expectancy. According to the latest WHO data published in 2018 life expectancy in Cuba is: Male 76.8, female 81.3 and total life expectancy is 79.0 which gives Cuba a World Life Expectancy ranking of 33.
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cuba-life-expectancy
According to the latest WHO data published in 2018 life expectancy in Brazil is: Male 71.4, female 78.9 and total life expectancy is 75.1 which gives Brazil a World Life Expectancy ranking of 74
TH
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly. Definition of Cuban “feldshers” ...“health care professionals who provide various medical services LIMITED to emergency treatment 'n ambulance practice”...NOT fully fledged “DOCTORs”. Get it now, numb nuts ? But if Cuba's that great, why don't you go live there ?
@DT
Temer cut 5 Ministries (not sure if any personnel relocated to others, or not), sacked a few of the 113,000 commissioned (politically indicated) employees...'n had to make do with whatever was left / tax revenue fm mild increase in GDP. He got the Labor reform passed ; Failed to get the Pension Reform approved.
Cuban “doctors”: Bs demands are perfectly reasonable : pass Brazil's “revalida” exam, get higher salary, be allowed to bring their families. Cuba, unillaterally refused. WHY ?
Now, 5 years after the disclosure ban has been lifted on the secret 2012 negotiations btwn Dilma / Cuba (which bypassed Congress), people are learning the truth.
“...people defending 'politically correct' views are generally the ones who care about rights 'n equality, which makes me wonder why you object to them so much”...I do NOT object to equality/rights...I object to the left saying ONLY they care abt them...it's BS....the left (as expected) labels B as 'far-right'....his actions, especially after being elected, show they are wrong...but it's all they have now, to try to discredit him. Wait 'n see.
C'mon DT, I can't list all the crap the leftist MSM prints about the 'rich' - suffices to know it always portrays the ''well-off', (including the higher middle class - who are successful) as taking advantage of, 'n not caring about, the poor...which is true of ? most “politicians”!
The rich (including salaried middle class) pay taxes....there are exceptions, but what more should they do ? What the rich don't like, are 'those' with a chip on their shoulder, who think they have 'special rights'. “distribution of wealth” is the govt's function (thru sanitation, health, education etc).
Re BA, do what u can
JB
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“NOT fully fledged “DOCTORs” The proof of which is not provided.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
”ei incumbit probatio, qui dicit, non qui negat (cum per rerum naturam factum negantis probation nulla sit)-the burden of proof lies upon him who affirms, not on him who denies, (since by the nature of things, he who denies a fact cannot produce any proof). The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him. Upon the one alleging, not upon him denying, rests the duty of proving. Upon the plaintiff rests the proving or the burden of proof,”
Soma's Dictionary of Latin Quotations, Maxims and Phrases: A Compendium of ...
https://books.google.com.br/books?id=BIxyWH0FKgYC&pg=PT197&lpg=PT197&dq=Ei+incumbit+probatio+qui+dicit,+non+qui+negat+(the+burden+of+proof+lies+with+who+declares,+not+who+denies)
TH
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““NOT fully fledged “DOCTORs” The proof of which is not provided.”
I, (JBauer) don't have to provide proof of anything...YOU do. The secret negotiations speak for themselves....including the “FACT” that in the extensive e-mail exchanges of 2012 between Brazil and Cuba (now out in the open, and shown last night on TV, by Globo, and others), the Cuban Health Minister (a woman) mentioned their (Cuba's) DISCOMFORT should the “doctors” be submitted to the REVALIDA EXAM, to get their CRM registration (and which is demanded of all doctors wishing to practise medicine in Brazil).
So unless you can prove the Cubans are as qualified as doctors from other countries, such as UK, EU, (and even Brazil, where there is a mandatory 6 years study at University + 2 years residency), they are 'feldshers'.
But if you trust one of your feldshers to do open heart surgery on you, go to Cuba if you need medical attention....after all, you believe “Cuba Has the Best Doctors in the World”.....be their guest.
JB
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I, (JBauer) don't have to provide proof of anything...YOU do.” That is a lie as the following clearly shows.
”ei incumbit probatio, qui dicit, non qui negat (cum per rerum naturam factum negantis probation nulla sit)-THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES UPON HIM WHO AFFIRMS, NOT ON HIM WHO DENIES, (SINCE BY THE NATURE OF THINGS, HE WHO DENIES A FACT CANNOT PRODUCE ANY PROOF). THE CLAIMANT IS ALWAYS BOUND TO PROVE: THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES ON HIM. UPON THE ONE ALLEGING, NOT UPON HIM DENYING, RESTS THE DUTY OF PROVING.“
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”So unless you can prove the Cubans are as qualified as doctors“ Not so it is you who claims they are not doctors therefore THE BURDEN OF PROOF LIES UPON HIM WHO AFFIRMS, NOT ON HIM WHO DENIES
Burden of proof is often abused in rhetoric and arguments.
Shifting the burden
Fallacious shifting of the burden of proof occurs if someone makes a claim that needs justification, then demands that the opponent justify the opposite of the claim. The opponent has no such burden until evidence is presented for the claim.
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”you believe “Cuba Has the Best Doctors in the World” You make a wrongful assumption, since I personally have given no such indication.
@JB
Nov 22nd, 2018 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0B's demands of Cuba aren't unreasonable in themselves, but he knows what the result will be. Cuban doctors are better than no doctors at all, which is what they had before and what they will now have again. Even supposing the government comes up with some scheme to replace the doctors like your suggestion, it's going to take some time. The article about the negotiations was interesting, but not exactly revelatory.
“I do NOT object to equality/rights...I object to the left saying ONLY they care abt them”
Why? You don't exactly care about their causes, do you? Not saying you're opposed to rights and equality, but it's obviously not a big deal to you. Keep your head down and get on with your life was your philosophy. Do you actually think the 'politically correct' people are doing some harm, or is it that they seem to be showing off and making out they are better than you?
“his actions, especially after being elected, show they are wrong”
Uh, no. He's planning to let the police kill more or less at will, use terrorism legislation to suppress a social movement, put a bunch of generals in the government, and he's already ending one of the programs designed to help the poor before he's even in office. Oh, and he's using the government advertising budget to punish media who are critical of him, but perhaps that's par for the course in Latin America.
”The rich (including salaried middle class) pay taxes.... what more should they do ?”
I guess stop bribing politicians to pass laws that benefit them at the expense of the country. Like that's going to happen. Seems to me the really rich benefit from keeping Brazil undeveloped because they can live like kings and get away with anything.
@TH
Nov 23rd, 2018 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “According to the latest WHO data published in 2018 life expectancy in Brazil is: Male 71.4, female 78.9 and total life expectancy is 75.1”:
Shows one of the serious problems - OVERPOPULATION [PLUS too many sr. citizens]!
They can't even afford to give a reasonably respectable Standard of Living + decent Quality of Life even to a measly [+'-] 200M! Imagine if the Life-Expectancy [and consequently, the population] grows!
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@DT
Nov 23rd, 2018 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“B's demands of Cuba aren't unreasonable in themselves, but he knows what the result will be.”
And how do you arrive at that conclusion ? are you sure he KNEW the result when he announced his intention ? the 'rot' behind the negotiations (2012), only surfaced after he had made his intentions known.
“Even supposing the government comes up with some scheme to replace the doctors like your suggestion, it's going to take some time.”
Just fyi, according to “O Globo”, 6,394 doctors have already volunteered for the program to substitute the Cuban 'feldshers', and will probably start asa December. Remains to be seen.
“Why? You don't exactly care about their causes, do you? Not saying you're opposed to rights and equality, but it's obviously not a big deal to you”
And how should I “care” about the cause ? here, they have a wise saying ,“if you don't want to help, at least don't get in the way”......by doing that, i/o protesting against them - which I don't - I believe I am giving my contribution. And how do you contribute ? go to rallys, shake the flag, donate money ?
Re the 'politically correct' people, My belief is that most are just saying what minority groups want to hear....they get their support, then sponge off it. Afaic, very few actually believe what they preach, but they defend it tooth 'n nail, as a way of life.
“Uh, no. He's planning to let the police kill more or less at will..”
What Bolsonaro said in the campaign, first of all - partially campaign rhetoric - he cannot just implement because he 'might' like the idea, or because wants to. You forget he is not the almighty dictator. But first let's wait 'n see if more are killed, and if so, who they are.
The A-T law has alrdy been discarded for that purpose. Didn't your media tell you ?
The advertising budget can be used as he sees fit....the PT did, to promote their lies. If B decides to stop this crap, at our expense, I agree with him.
Re bribing, it's the politicians who take the first step...
JB “how would the PT get money out of Brazil ?... the 'rot' behind the negotiations ” You were warned about libelling innocent people, now your dirty laundry will be revealed.
Nov 23rd, 2018 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470582
http://en. mercopress.com/2018/04/04/brazil-s-conundrum-army-chief-twits-good-citizens-repudiate-impunity-and-respect-the-constitution/comments#comment486481
http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470714
http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/20/ex-brazilian-president-assets-and-bank-accounts-frozen/comments#comment471145
http://en. mercopress.com/2018/03/20/lula-begins-tour-of-south-brazil-and-meets-mujica-but-it-was-a-bad-day-for-both-leaders/comments#comment485779
“Re bribing, it's the politicians who take the first step...” The proof of?
@TH
Nov 23rd, 2018 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why do you keep butting in...or buzzing in ? you are a pesky mosquito....one of these days someone will swat you and flush you down the toilet.....something you have a lot in common with...(full of xxxx).
“you were warned”.......again ?? reveal my “dirty laundry” ??
Terry, you DO know that to threaten someone IS a crime, don't you ?
Wow, Terry, I'm sh*t scared of you...I'll never post anything nasty about Lula again...but then, what will I post ?
JB
Nov 23rd, 2018 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I's not a threat, its what happens when you lie about innocent people like Rousseff. Which I have read enough main stream articles that state she is one of the most honest people in politics. In fact, your constant maligning of individuals is contrary to the Brazilian Constitution. Which considers it a crime against their reputation.
“That to threaten someone IS a crime” There have been no threats to your person or your reputation. All that has been cited is is your own lies. and their subsequent refutation. In other words, the truth.
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