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Brazil bans upstream mining dams following the Brumadinho disaster that killed 300

Tuesday, February 19th 2019 - 08:39 UTC
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Brazil's government on Monday banned new upstream mining dams and ordered the decommissioning of all such dams by 2021, targeting the type of structure that burst last month in the town of Brumadinho, killing hundreds of people. Read full article

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  • DemonTree

    Good decision. If the government had done this after the previous dam collapse those hundreds of people might still be alive.

    Feb 19th, 2019 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DemonTree

    By now, you must know that the decisions, plans, budgets & the announcements are ALWAYS breathtaking! :o)) The devil is in the “minute details” such as effective & efficient actions! For Example:
    - The San Francisco River Project [after spending billions during 10 or so years, it is still at the “Blue-Print Stage”
    - The Nuclear Energy Project [as above]
    - The Amazonas Project
    - etc
    - etc
    - etc.

    Feb 19th, 2019 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    :o)) DemonTree Jack

    If you look back on my posts on Brazil, I've repeatedly referenced personally spending a lot of time in Petrolina and Juazeiro located on the São Francisco River. The cities are located in an arid region just below the largest man made reservoir in South America. Hundreds of thousands of hectares are being irrigated because of that and the potential for far more is viable with the proposed project.

    They produce very good quality grapes and mangos for export there.

    The problem ten years ago and today is the high level of corruption and outright theft. For DECADES a new bridge between the two cities facing each other on the river has been repeatedly funded and then the funds mysteriously disappear.

    It's not just the PT that's been abusing and plundering the local wealth, it's nearly ally the political officials and government departments.

    The dam failure in the other articles are because of the traditional ingrained corruption of the country and Bolsonaro must vigorously eliminate it.

    Feb 19th, 2019 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo

    REF: “It's not just the PT that's been abusing and plundering the local wealth, it's nearly ally the political officials and government departments”

    So now you know why I firmly believe that:

    # 1:
    If you are not a crook, you can't be in politics. The other crooks won't let you stay honest & still remain in power.

    # 2:
    If you are a politician but you don't want to steal; you are simply wasting your time on politics. Why else do you think that the politicians fight so fiercely to gain power?

    # 3:
    Laws [breaches+loopholes included] are made by the crooks themselves; to protect their own interests & their own benefits - immunities, +privileges, +protection, +exaggeratedly high salaries [You'll also know from the outcome of the much awaited pension reform].

    # 4: The people elect a government they deserve.
    http://divinews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/03-01-19-Charge-de-Ricardo-Welbert-sobre-o-come%C3%A7o-do-governo-de-Jair-Bolsonaro-o-Diabo-da-Bozom%C3%A2nia.jpg

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    :o))

    Thank you for clearly expressing your views. Clearly you and I perhaps are on different sides of the political spectrum, but I respect and understand your viewpoints.

    I'm not proposing a harsh military takeover, because I do do know from my own personal experience that it eventually fails, as Marxist-Socialism miserably does as well. What I think we both agree upon is that the evil crime of corruption is the greater enemy of societal progress.

    Bolsonaro won the popular vote on the populist agenda to reduce corruption, crime and economic decline. He has a momentous, even nearly impossible, task of accomplishing that in a very short time or he'll become another failure that it appears Macri has now become in Argentina.
    The announcement today of Ford Motors closing and the Vale disaster requires some aggressive changes.

    I like Brazil and hope they will someday begin to obtain the greatness that their nation deserves.

    Brasil acima de tudo, Deus acima de todos!

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo

    The crux of the matter lies on the two sides:

    1º: The Politician are eager to steal - LEGALLY [almost]
    2º: People have a Blind-Faith in such crooks
    = The people elect a government they deserve [# 4]

    Money PLUS Power above EVERYTHING = Corruption

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    :o))

    You seem cynical of a possible progressive change. Nearly a half a century ago my country was in a terrible state and it just continued to get even worse as I grew up and thought my nation was destroyed. Today I'm very proud of my country's progress and although we have much to accomplish still, Chile is probably the best country to live in Latin America.

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @Chicureo
    I don't think :o)) has a 'side' except total cynicism. To him Lula, Bolsonaro and Moro are equally crooks.

    Personally I doubt B can do much about the ingrained corruption, even if he tries.

    https://i2.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/deus2.jpg?w=750&ssl=1

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Faith in humanity sometimes a part of your soul and even nationality.
    Chileans feel we are in near the best we will ever be. Argentinians fear that they may may be true and their golden era has passed forever.

    No matter how dire the political situation is in the UK, and no matter whether you leave or remain in the EU, I firmly believe that your country will eventually emerge continuing as one of the most admired nations in the world. History will however not be kind to your current PM or her opposition JC.

    Feb 20th, 2019 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo / @DemonTree

    OK. I know that I AM cynical, sceptical, -ve, sarcastic, etc.

    But although generalized to a limited extent, the facts speak for themselves, don't change & are well-known - like it or not - unless there are some totally different & unknown justifiable explanations for the unstoppable stealing by the politicians and the generous willingness of the population to let the politicians steal, to their heart's content - traditionally, culturally and historically speaking and assuming that not all crooks are equal:
    http://www.chargeonline.com.br/php/DODIA//fernandes.jpg

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I'm not feeling much faith in humanity right now. All around the world things seem to be getting worse, and half the people want to screw others more than they want to succeed themselves.

    And I can't forgive the Brexit voters for what they've done. Apart from the many, many other downsides, there's a reasonable chance my country will cease to exist in its current form due to their refusal to listen to reason.

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DemonTree

    REF: “can't forgive the Brexit voters”
    I don't think that only the voters were to blame. What about those [politicians, ill-wishers, social media, etc] who NEEDED the Euro-Unity to weaken?

    At least in Brazil; not everything is LOST:
    https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/0-Bebbiano.jpg?resize=577%2C420&ssl=1

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Again I insist, your country will eventually emerge from this political disaster and contine as one of the most admired nations in the world. I'm cheered that there is a mini-revolt by some moderate MPs have formed a new party. Both your PM and JC have failed as strong leaders with vision.

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo
    Brazilian politicians, in particular those from the NE, have always thrived on corruption...it runs in their veins. While I know that it will never be erradicated, hope that a least for a while, it can be reduced to a point which allows Brazil to spend some of its taxes on the much needed infrastructure investments.
    I have no illusions as to the fact that even if Brazil manages to get on the right track, it'll take generations to change the generalized corrupt mentality .....after all, politics is the only profession in which an ignoramus can become rich, and quickly.

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    @ :o))
    You're right, but they should have known better than to believe lying politicians, let alone anonymous propaganda on Facebook.

    @Chicureo
    I hope you're right, but I still don't see any way they can avoid the most disastrous outcome. There's a total lack of leadership and most of the MPs care more about being reelected than the good of the country.

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @DemonTree

    REF: “they should have known better than to believe lying politicians”:

    Nobody wants to break the tradition of three generations - least of all, the Politicians PLUS the educated ignorants!
    https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/idosos-e-a-nova-previdencia.jpg?resize=580%2C408&ssl=1

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol, perfect.

    Feb 21st, 2019 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Jack Bauer

    REF: “it runs in their veins”

    TRUE!

    Not only that; but it also is a bit contagious! Watch the “Local - Highly Worshipped - Hero” in inaction:
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-34W6xSNhFuc/XG1MEkOym4I/AAAAAAAAliw/wxARDGD5J14hhb5vRCR7Uju74l55A4FswCEwYBhgL/s1600/sergio-moro.jpg

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    As I said, I've spent quite of time in the São Francisco River area and witnessed just a small part of Brazil's agricultural economic potential. If a well managed un-corrupt regional government would get its act together and develop infrastructure investments, hundreds of thousands of hectares of virgin soil with plenty of available water with irrigation canals, waiting to be developed in an excellent year round climate providing needed employment to a substantial labor force.

    Brazil needs to eliminate corruption and the criminals that perpetuate the misery for the poor.

    Brasil acima de tudo, Deus acima de todos!

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dx9DNa4W0AA0UtO.jpg

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo

    REF: “Brazil needs to eliminate corruption and the criminals that perpetuate the misery for the poor”

    Always suspected that you do have a GREAT sense of humor! THAT, was hilarious indeed:
    http://www.cndajin.com/data/wls/243/22052113.gif

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Say what you want, I remain optimistic.
    Watching the Venezuela Live Concert.

    Brasil acima de tudo, Deus acima de todos!

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Chicureo

    REF: “I remain optimistic”:

    Me too! Watch all the investigations disappearing one by one; into the thin air!
    https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Caixa-2.jpg?resize=574%2C420&ssl=1

    Feb 22nd, 2019 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    DT
    Posted on “Bolsonaro learning the hard way” & on “Yellow fever warning”.....

    Contn of “Maggie Thatcher's statue...”

    Federal propaganda : haven’t seen any more of it, so appears B is treating all media much the same.

    Bispo : his expensive lawyers’ fees - “Even if we knew, it wouldn't definitely prove anything” perhaps not, but would provide clues to enable police to dig deeper. Well, I can’t say what went through his mind, but wouldn’t exclude the possibility that some one (due to his claim of ‘hearing voices’) could’ve persuaded him ($$$) to do it ; you can ask questions until the cows come home, but until the investigation is completed, anything’s possible ; who registered him in Congress on the same day ? and, his connection to Wyllys ? Might be only circumstantial, nevertheless worthwhile investigating.

    Wyllys : for a while Congress did pay for an armored car for him, then stopped - so he paid for it out his cabinet budget. He claimed he was receiving threats, but never actually divulged even one….

    “don't think that's true in America because of free speech laws”…the right to free speech has its limits…’n to publicly incite murder, or racial hatred, does have consequences…here too.
    Regardless of immunity, politicians spreading crazy ideas (like AOC) is not the same as using a person's, or a group’s, emotional instability to stir them up to commit violent acts ; Last year, French rapper Nick Conrad released a video inciting the killing of whites… https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46821421
    Altho he claims it was only fictional, some nut case might act on it…He's being prosecuted, might do jail time.
    How abt the cases of perturbed adolescents 'n the school massacres in the US ? Doesn’t take much to make some people go over the edge.

    “Disappointed if turns out PT had nothing to do with attack”. No, just want the culprit(s) caught. Wyllys is a disgusting, arse-licking marxist......watch https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46821421 ‘n others

    Feb 24th, 2019 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    https://partidocristao.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/CHARGE-CRISE.jpg

    REF: “economy WILL slip into recession”:

    IF THE:
    - Outdated Laws & Regulations are NOT improved
    - Number of political parties are NOT reduced
    - Absurd salaries+benefits of the elite aren NOT reduced
    - Budgets+Fund-Auditing is NOT approved by the masses
    - Granted Immunity+Privileges are NOT taken away
    - Stolen wealth is NOT returned to the population

    Feb 25th, 2019 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @DT
    Continuation of abv post.....forgot to remove the 'http' from the links.....here's the corrected second link again :-

    https://youtu.be/KM5eVV1pX9s,

    Feb 25th, 2019 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “And you're wasting ... Now he thinks General Heleno is a professional writer!” and “insisting Mourão was Heleno's superior in Haiti, and denying he ever said so” It is sufficiently vague, that is what two professional journalists claim, my reliance was them. So I NEVER SAID SO, THEY DID.
    “ You're as truthful as JB, birds of a feather.. Just keep sucking it's what you do best.
    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    Once more from the top of this thread.
    “Mourão, together with General Augusto Heleno, WERE BRAZIL’S TOP MILITARY COMMANDERS IN ITS DISASTROUS INTERVENTION IN HAITI. ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL OBSERVERS AND HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MASSACRING DOZENS OF CIVILIANS IN THE SLUMS OF PORT AU PRINCE IN 2006. Now, they stand close to the highest political office in Brazil.”
    Bolsonaro’s Most Dangerous Supporters by Aldo Cordeiro/Sauda Benjamin Fogel
    https://www. jacobinmag.com/2018/10/bolsonaro-military-pt-haiti-lava-jato-lula
    http://en. mercopress.com/2019/02/18/bolsonaro-learning-the-hard-way-family-and-politics-don-t-mix/comments#comment498271
    In addition, Heleno did state ”my longtime friend and respected military chief (Mourão), “wrote Augusto Heleno, on Facebook”
    By (JB)'chief', Heleno did not mean ”boss”. I'm sure that every one else's world would know that chief means boss, it's not subordinate, or equal. So by deductive logic it cannot mean anything but boss. Incidentally, my thesaurus shows that chief does mean boss. ”chief noun boss”.
    Dictionary Version 2.2.2 (203) Copyright © 2005-2017 Apple Inc. All rights reserved.
    Which is your desperate attempt to avoid your litany of lies, including your deliberate lying about toilet etiquette in Brazil.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470714

    Feb 25th, 2019 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Terry the Useful Idiot...or just 'idiot'

    BTW, why have you posted your shit under a different thread ??? hoping no one would see it and wouldn't show you up as the LIAR that you are ?

    When are you going to learn, or rather, ''realize“ - as you are too bloody stupid to learn anything - that when you insistently post something, whether true or not, you are endorsing what was written ?

    In other words, if you keep on posting that ”Mourão served in Haiti“, AND that ”he was Heleno's 'chief ' “, which are both wrong (as proved by links from the Brazilian Ministry of Defence - which is better informed than your ”Jacobinshit”, don't you think ?), to all effects, by passing it on, you are a liar. By insisting on the mistakes committed by the journalists, or the 'professional writers, as you now like to call them, does not make them true.

    But the issue here is far simpler....IF you understood Portuguese - which you obviously don't - you would realize the correct meaning of Heleno's FB post. He did not say “ 'my' respected military chief”....just referred to him as “a” military chief....which was what he was (as Commander of the Southern Army) when he “visited” Heleno in Haiti, for 4 days....I apologize if this is too much for your brain to process...

    You can try to confuse the issue by changing the subject, but it's not my fault if you choose to believe some asshole translation from one of your preferred sources. You are only sinking deeper into your own shit.

    Last of all, your statement (above, repeated incessantly 'n uselessly for the 'n'th time):“I'm sure that every one else's world would know that chief means boss, it's not subordinate, or equal. So by deductive logic it cannot mean anything but boss”

    Just one wee problem with your ”deductive (flawed) logic”....While Mourão WAS a 'chief', or a 'boss', he was NOT Gen.Heleno's.

    Toilet etiquette ? AGAIN ? you've got 'shit' on the mind...and, let's not forget yr 'sucking'.

    Feb 26th, 2019 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “Why have you posted your” because there's just one of me, and two of you dipshits for present, sometimes more.
    if you keep on posting that ”Mourão served in Haiti.“ I, NOR ANYONE ELSE HAVE EVER SAID THIS. ITS YOUR INVENTION.
    Your the one who raised this subject in an attempt to the mask your revealed lies.
    JB ”the only reason for receptacles - in 'public' bathrooms - is to throw the bulkier paper hand-towels ....“
    “Living in Brazil: Electric showers, toilet litter and other oddities ..that nasty plastic basket with everyone´s used toilet paper in it. I hate being gross in my blog, but it´s a gross thing, believe me. For some unexplained reason, Brazilian piping and sewage is not compatible with toilet paper so people never flush the toilet paper down their toilets. Instead, they provide little baskets, sometimes with lids and sometimes without, beside the toilet for the toilet paper.”
    https://brazilphenomenon.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/living-in-brazil-electric-showers-toilet-litter-and-other-oddities/

    Feb 26th, 2019 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • :o))

    @Terence Hill

    REF: Piping + sewage is not compatible with toilet paper:

    Toilets? toilet-papers? Can this luxury last? For how long?
    https://i1.wp.com/www.humorpolitico.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Reforma-Previdencia-tirinha.jpg?zoom=0.8999999761581421&w=640&ssl=1

    Feb 26th, 2019 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Terry, aka Gollum
    No use arguing with idiots.....or liars....like you, Turdy Terry.
    “I hate being gross in my blog...”, how prudish of you, Gollum.....soon you'll be denying that you ever said anything about bog paper receptacles .....you'll allege you just copied some shit off the internet, so it's not your fault...it's the journalists....btw, what does 'Jacobinshit' have to say about your favorite subject, toilets ?

    Feb 27th, 2019 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
    “soon you'll be denying” You mean like you.
    JB ”the only reason for receptacles - in 'public' bathrooms - is to throw the bulkier paper hand-towels
    http://en.mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470703

    Feb 27th, 2019 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    What a load of shit - literally. Terry doesn't even understand English, when it suits him. He tries to blame other people for his own mistake misreading Heleno's Facebook. No courage, no integrity.

    @JB
    I replied about yellow fever on the other thread, since the original one closed.

    “would provide clues to enable police to dig deeper”

    Agreed. Surely the police can find out, even if we're not allowed to know? They should investigate all the leads, even if it seems simple enough.

    I posted the OAS report on the threats to Wyllys on the other thread. Evidently they saw them and quoted some in the report, so he did divulge them. Threats are so common today, seemingly innocuous things like this can earn them, let alone campaigning for something controversial:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2018/09/why-this-instagram-post-led-to-death-threats-for-blogger-scarlett-london.html

    “the right to free speech has its limits”

    In theory. The right in America are always lying about Democrats, and threatening them too, but they get away with it because of free speech. France is not so generous, hence that 'edgy' rapper facing jail time.

    Your link didn’t work, the Internet seems a bit ropey here.

    Feb 27th, 2019 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “What a load of shit - literally” Still trying trying to put Humpty Dumpty together, he's 'outed' all his finest qualities on display. “asinus asinum fricat”
    Here's some more of his personal touches, nice sucking.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2018/11/22/brazil-s-secret-dealings-to-contract-cuban-physicians-to-work-in-the-more-doctors-program/comments#comment495051

    Feb 27th, 2019 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    “DT
    “Yellow fever” : in what thread did you reply ? Couldn't find it.

    Bispo : investigation is under secrecy ; don't know what/if any, progress being made.

    Wyllys : 1st time I heard of any threats against him, was January 2019, when he divulged /used them as an excuse to justify resigning. Why didn’t he divulge them earlier, as he (supposedly) received them ? doesn’t sound too credible.

    Re blogger Scarlett London, a guy called “Nathan” posted : “Instagram is a ridiculous lie factory made to make us all feel inadequate”…I don’t use Instagram, ‘n have no interest, nevertheless, I presume “Nathan” whoever he is, is speaking for himself when he says “makes us all feel inadequate”…hilarious, but totally his own problem“.

    ”the right to free speech has its limits”…not 'only' “in theory” (when it incites violence), but in practice too, depending on what side you are on…e.g. : remember the ‘scandal’ (repeated incessantly by the left MSM) when Bolsonaro’s youngest son (at a lecture not open to the public) said all it would take to shut down the STF would be a soldier and a corporal ?
    Well, when Roberto Requião (ex-Senator, facing several processes in the STF) threatened the STF (at a political rally with the MST), nothing happened. Watch the video : https://youtu.be/4S_-lhMFjnE ;
    Neither when Lula said it would be better if shut down…..a double-standard ?

    Regarding your statement (which is not exactly about inciting violence) “The right in America are always lying about Democrats, ‘n threatening them too, but they get away with it because of free speech” - be honest, the Dems don’t lie about the Republicans ? ‘n don’t get away with it ? A recently elected Dem congresswoman, Rashid Tlaib, just hours after being sworn in, told a crowd of supporters, referring to Trump, “We’re going to go in and impeach the motherf*cker.” Not even a ripple.
    Imagine if Trump were to call her a Muslim bitch ?
    Good for France - a few months in jail should fix him.

    Feb 28th, 2019 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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