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London flooded by anti-Brexit protestors demanding a new referendum
Anti-Brexit protesters flooded into central London by the hundreds of thousands on Saturday, demanding that Britain's Conservative-led government hold a new referendum on whether Britain should leave the European Union. The “People's Vote March” snaked from Park Lane and other locations to converge on the U.K. Parliament, where the fate of Brexit will be decided in the coming weeks. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe already DID put it to the vote ! Stop begging !!! Good riddance ! All Britain has ever caused Europe is problems.
Mar 24th, 2019 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All Britain has ever caused Europe is problems.”
Mar 24th, 2019 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes like saving Europe from:-
a) Napoleon
b) The Kaiser
c) Adolf Hitler
d) Russia (via NATO)
Europe should get down on it's knees and thank Britain.
http://www.michaelpramirez.com/uploads/3/4/9/8/34985326/mrz032319-color-1-6mb_1_orig.jpg
Mar 24th, 2019 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo
Mar 24th, 2019 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good cartoon....
But Darragh's comments, which I agree with, remind me of a story - don't know if true or not, but pretty straight to the point - several years after the war had ended, an elderly American who had fought in the war, disembraked at Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport without a visa....the French Customs Officer haughtily questioned the American why he didn't have a visa, to which the reply was “I've been here before and I didn't need one”. The Customs officer said “that is impossible”, and trying to be smart, “and when did you get in without a visa” ? the American just looked at him and said “on June 6, 1944...there were no Frenchmen to be found to ask for my passport”.
Darragh, I don't think being instrumental in defeating Napoleon is exactly a recommendation to the French, nor defeating the Kaiser to the Germans!
Mar 24th, 2019 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, I will say that the EU's biggest problems have been caused by the Euro and the Schengen zone, two schemes that Britain opposed and refused to join. And any problems Britain caused the EU before are NOTHING compared to the headache of Brexit. Who could have guessed we'd be five days from the deadline and still have no bloody clue what we're going to do?
@JB
Reminds me of what happened when France withdrew from NATO. De Gaulle told Lyndon B Johnson he wanted all American troops removed from French soil, and LBJ asked “does that include the 60,000 buried in it?”
DemonTree and Jack
Mar 24th, 2019 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great quotes! The UK deserves and desperately needs strong leadership against the Eurocrats trying to turn the country into a sub-servant nation. PM May sadly reminds the world of Chamberland's lack of backbone.
The BBC is reporting 'Ministers rally round May' and say they give her their full support, so probably the knives are out. Trouble is, talent is thin on the ground and no one else wants to grasp the poison chalice...
Mar 24th, 2019 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History reminds us that when Chamberlain resigned in May1940, he hoped a pacifistic Halifax would succeed him as prime minister. Hallifax didn't want to touch the poisoned chalice either.
Mar 24th, 2019 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK needs a “disrupter, a ”black swan” to turn the table against France and Germany which are being poorly managed by two very unpopular leaders.
The only option now is to delay, but a Black Swan would send the Eurocrats to burn in Hades instead.
TWIMC...
Mar 24th, 2019 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll start from the top...
1) Very nice demo... Quite unengrish though... I hope it further damages the cohesion of the upcoming Desunited Kingdom... Alba Gu Bràth ...!
2) Mr. Trimonde... I like your style and agree..., until now..., with the content of your comments... Always nice to get new Thinking posters...
3) The paddy Darragh poster above has quite an Anglocentric view of the world...huhhhh...? In his universe them Engrish “saved” Europe FROM Bonaparte and the Kaiser... Saved Europe FOR whom...? I'd be tempted to ask...
Adolf could have been the proverbial ***“Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while'”*** ..., was it not for the primordial role them Engrish played in the rise of such a monster whilst “saving Europe from the Kaiser”...
And last..., Mother Russia... 50,000,000 of her children fought together with the rest of the world to save it... NOT the other way..., paddy...
4) Hermanito Shileno... :-)))
5) Anglo Turnip Jack Bauers story is a good one...
Pity that them Yanks DO NOT need no visa for France...
6) Hermanito shileno..., otra vez...
Don't you have better things to do...? Like irrigating your paltos or drying out some local lakes...?
7) Mr. DemonTree... ***“Who could have guessed we'd be five days from the deadline and still have no bloody clue what we're going to do?”***..., you say...
I would..., I say...
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Estimado THINK
Mar 25th, 2019 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do agree on who actually defeated the enemy during the “Great Patriotic War”
Plenty of water in the Aconcagua Valley, but too many damn avocados being produced in Peru.
@Think
Mar 25th, 2019 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not going to say my story isn't true?
And I see you give Russia credit for winning WWII, but none to the French for the Treaty of Versailles. What a surprise. No one forced the Germans to elect an evil megalomaniac anyway.
What will happen next will probably be as bloody as the “Red Wedding” from the ”Game of Thrones,” which was based in Scottish history. (The Scots certainly have their broadswords drawn... )
Mar 25th, 2019 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Your story may or may not be true..., lad...
- As the story about you Engrish threatening to nuke the Argentinean city of Cordoba in 1982 may or may not be true...
- What is true though is that..., since 1966..., there ain't no foreign troops on French soil..., that not one single war grave has been removed in France..., not even those from the invading Goths... and that the Argie city of Cordoba wasn't included that Infamous Hiroshima & Nagasaki group...
2) I give Mother Russia the credit they rightly deserve..., no more, no less...
3) If I was interacting with a Francocentric Frog on Austrian Adolf rise to power issue... I would certainly give him credit for the Treaty of Versailles....
But fact is that I am interacting here with an Anglocentric Paddy Darragh..., am I not...?
@Chicureo
Mar 25th, 2019 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I heard it was based on the Wars of the Roses, and that the map of Westeros is based on the British isles with Ireland upside down and stuck to the bottom.
Leaked footage from Downing Street:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjp5OmoDYQM
@Think
“If I was interacting with a Francocentric Frog on Austrian Adolf rise to power issue... I would certainly give him credit for the Treaty of Versailles....”
I bet you wouldn't bother correcting him if he blamed the whole thing on Britain. Just like you were happy to agree that “all Britain has ever caused Europe is problems.”
And you must be nuts if you really believe Thatcher would have nuked Cordoba. Did you even get the point of that question to De Gaulle?
DemonTree
Mar 25th, 2019 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Terrence Hill is May's bastard Canadian son?
Incredibly humorous!
....and perhaps too close to what is reality...
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Leaving that Adolf nut out of this squirrel quarrel...
... For every real example you can find..., (if you could find one...) of the UK sincerely acting effectively for the Union and/or Integration of/with EUROPE during the last..., lets say..., 800 years..., I can easily find hundreds on the contrary...
That's why I fully concord with Mr. Trimonde's historically correct asseveration...:
***“ All Britain has ever caused EUROPE is problems.”***
Putting it in plain Latin for you...:
Divide et Impera...
Capisce...?
So long, farewell, we are off soon... The French will cheer just like Twinkle.
Mar 25th, 2019 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Chicureo
Mar 25th, 2019 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...and perhaps too close to what is reality...”
Indeed.
@Think
Even in the last 80 years, union or integration of/with Europe is not an absolute good and certainly not the only good. Let alone the last 800, when 'integration' generally meant being conquered by a foreign power, and the many different countries with their rivalries greatly contributed to Europe's dynamism and rapid development. Besides, even if you think Britain was bad for the EU on balance, that's not at all the same thing as doing no good at all. For example, letting the Eastern European countries join after the fall of the Iron Curtain was surely a positive?
Another example. The Euro is a form of European integration, and that didn't turn out too well for Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and most of all Greece. More integration is not always good. Britain's refusal to join actually benefited Europe in the end, as the crisis could have been much bigger if our economy was also caught up in it.
@TV
Please stop making Think happy.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooooooooooooooo....
Your argument seems to be...:
A) During the last ~800 years you Engrish have “saved” EUROPE from Union or Integration by conquest by foreign powers...
B) Keeping alive and well the rivalries in EUROPE..., you Engrish gave us EUROPEANS the great gift of dynamism and rapid development of hundreds of intestine wars..., “saving” us from the stagnant consequences of Union...
Well.......
- Pity for the credibility of your above arguments that you Engrish did exactly the opposite in them British Isles..., killing hundred of thousands* Paddies, Taffies and Jocks in the name of the UNITED Kingdom...
*(Millions..., if we include the victims of the Paddie Potatoe Pogrom...)
I read that Piers Morgan suggests that Donald Trump is one of the only tough leaders to save the UK from a Brexit devastation.
Mar 25th, 2019 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What about Nigel Farage, or Boris Johnson, or perhaps Jeremy Corbyn?
Your video is perhaps more realistic than we are willing to realize.
@Think
Mar 25th, 2019 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, that's not my argument at all. I'm saying union or integration is not always good or without drawbacks (and I was planning to bring up the British Isles if you disagreed... so will you concede on that?) And while I think it is generally a good thing today (IFF done right), it would not have been a good thing 800 years ago, because it would have meant one country conquering all the others, forming an empire. And empires are bad, in case that's not clear.
Is your argument that Europe would be better off if the Spanish empire, or Austrian empire, or Napoleon had taken over? Or perhaps if D-day never happened and the Soviets had been left to 'liberate' Western Europe as well as the east?
As for the internecine wars, of course Britain was involved. It's IN Europe, part of the whole mess. Why is it any worse for Britain to ally with Austria against France than for Spain to ally with France against Austria? Not one of those countries was trying to 'unite Europe', they were looking out for their own interests and building empires.
And apart from all that, 'promoting union/division' ignores so much else. What about art, science, philosophical ideas that spread to neighbouring countries and are built upon? When Gutenberg invented the printing press it didn't just benefit Germany. There's a long list of inventions and discoveries made in Britain that changed the world, and Europe especially.
@Chicureo
Piers Morgan is a twat. Farage and Boris don't have the integrity of a weevil between them, and Corbyn... no, just no. The lack of acceptable alternatives is exactly what has kept May in power so long.
Idiots like Twinkle will come up with all the negatives about Britain, but, as anybody knows there were plenty of positives which of course the idiot doesnt mention because they negate his argument.
Mar 25th, 2019 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least we and the Falkland islanders arent citizens of Argentina which supported the Nazis who murdered 6 million Jews and 6 million Poles as well as invading the rest of Europe. Twinkle should be ashamed...but he's not he's just a noxious troll.
The Voice
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should be careful to note that the Argentine government of Juan Peron also openly accepted Jewish refugees when many countries (including the UK and USA) denied their entry.
DemonTree
IF MPs vote for a second referendum either on May’s deal or a range of options, it is likely to mean a lengthy delay to Brexit. May has indicated she will step down if Brexit is delayed beyond June 30.
Boris Johnson is being quoted: 'We are not leaving this Friday because the government has chickened out. For almost three years every Tory MP has chirruped the mantra that no deal would be better than a bad deal.
‘I believed that the government was sincere in making that claim, and I believed that the PM genuinely had the 29th of March inscribed in her heart.
‘I am afraid I misread the government. We have blinked. We have baulked. We have bottled it completely.’
He urges Mrs May to ‘channel the spirit of Moses’ and ‘tell Brussels’ to ‘let my people go.’
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sooooooooooooooo....
We seem to agree about Engeland having never ever saved Europe in any imaginary way but just cared about its own narrow national interests by fueling discord and division in the Continent...right...?
IMHO..., that's exactly what Mr. Trimode clearly expresses and what I fully agree upon...
Twinkle, EVERY country puts its interests first. Its not narrow, without Britain the jackboots would still be marching in Europe. However, presently they are in the cupboard whilst they attempt a different strategy.. Of course you are Lily White. Quisling might be an accurate description like your Celtic pal. We helped to save Europe twice but the Russians did the hard lifting
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Chicureo
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I would be happy if Brexit was delayed forever, but it doesn't have to be May's deal or no deal. If Brexit is put off for a few months and someone else takes over, there is a chance they could get a better one. Not that anyone agrees on what IS a good deal, that was half the problem with the previous negotiations...
@Think
Nope, still wrong. I wouldn't have argued that the UK 'saved' Europe, but I do believe that preventing some emperor taking over the whole continent was a net benefit. And I never claimed it was due to altruism; no country acted for such a reason in the past.
More recently, Britain's influence on the EU has been positive in some ways and negative in others. We've long been a reluctant member, and more troublesome than most, but all the same the EU leaders thought keeping us was worth the problems. You think you know better than them?
Lad...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would be surprised about how many EU leaders are happy to see Engeland go...
I do not know better than them..., I fully agred with them...
@DT
Mar 25th, 2019 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Mrs.May......having to coordinate Brexshit is bad enough, but giving birth to TH aka Gollum, is far worse....anyway, I thought he had been hatched...
@Stinkle
It was only a story...but thanks for your invaluable input.
A FALSE story it was...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you missed the part where I said “don't know if true or not....”
Mar 25th, 2019 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get new glasses...it's not the same as looking through the bottom of an empty whisky glass.
@Think
Mar 25th, 2019 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Name names. Who wanted Britain to leave, back in 2016?
And you never answered whether you think Napoleon, or the Kaiser, or one of the earlier emperors 'uniting' all of Europe would have been a good thing.
***“I wished to found a European system, a European Code of Laws, a European judiciary, there would be but one people in Europe”***
Mar 25th, 2019 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may call me a Bonapartiste on this one..., lad
Seriously? Including Scandinavia? It's interesting to speculate on - could he ever have defeated Russia? What would have happened when he died? And most of all - could a unified Europe have taken over the whole world, with an Empire and colonies lasting to this day?
Mar 25th, 2019 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunno 'bout all that..., laddie...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But..., with the ruling principles of Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité governing Europe..., I doubt WWI & WWII wouldn't had happened...
Napoleon was establishing a dynasty; empires rarely stay true to such ideas. I imagine some of the countries would have tried to regain their independence, leading to different wars.
Mar 25th, 2019 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about another idea: should Norway have remained united with Sweden? Or would Scandinavia be better off if the Kalmar Union still existed and had become a single state?
Sorry lad but I Think that discussing Bonapartism with an Englishman not versed in XIX'th century French history..., but surely influenced by 200 years of Anti-French Engrish propaganda..., could become a bit futile...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Norway united with Sweden”...?????????
Scandinavian history ain't your forte..., I Think...;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_between_Sweden_and_Norway ?
Mar 25th, 2019 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that's pretty insulting. Don't you think I'm open minded enough to consider other points of view?
(Thinking about it some more, the French Empire might have ended up going to war with the up-and-coming United States as the latter grew and challenged them for dominance.)
Boy..., that wasn't a “Union”...
Mar 25th, 2019 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It was a 100% unpopular ocupation decided by the winning powers of the time... Engeland being the decisive factor...
And don't be soooo thin-skinned...
“that wasn't a “Union””
Mar 25th, 2019 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neither was Napoleonic France's 100% unpopular occupation of Spain, but you seem to think that was a good thing.
How about the best 2 out of 3?
Mar 25th, 2019 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The feigned ignorance of the potential implications of Breaksit vote #1 is just precious.
Exiteers knew well there were a multitude of entanglements requiring extrication from.
Remainer's are moving the goalposts.
Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 26th, 2019 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hence I repeat my previous thought about the inpending futility of discussing Bonapartism with an Englishman not versed in XIX'th century history..., but surely influenced by 200 years of Anti-French Engrish propaganda...
Fact remains though that in the minds of poster Trimonde and yours truly..., all Britain has ever caused Europe is problems...
Capisce...?
I suppose I should recognise the futility of discussing it with someone who believes Britain can do no right.
Mar 26th, 2019 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about telling me which EU leaders said they wanted Britain to leave? Before the referendum, if you please; I'm sure there are plenty who want to get rid of us now, with good reason.
TWIMC...
Mar 26th, 2019 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Again I tell you..., it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for Engeland to do something positive for the Union of Europe...
Britain helped create the European Court of Human Rights.
Mar 26th, 2019 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely even you can't deny that's positive?
Let's not forget that Britain's greatest achievement was developing the proper way to brew a pot of tea...
Mar 26th, 2019 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...unfortunately they didn't do so well in taxing it in their colonies...
Still, despite the fact that they drive on the wrong side of the road, the world would be a complete disaster without their noble civilization.
They need new leadership and to adopt a hostile “take-no-prisoners” negotiating strategy against Brussels.
Positive indeed...Mr. DemonTree...
Mar 26th, 2019 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Engrish camel hair went through the eye of a needle...
A good strong cuppa... and tackle from the Hardy Bro's in Alnwick..., Cmdr. Shicureo...
Whoever ever suggested that Engeland can do no right..., is evidently wrong...;-)
@Think
Mar 26th, 2019 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://frkasch.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/eye-of-the-needle.jpg ;)
There's a bunch more things the UK did listed here:
blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/07/09/british-influence-in-brussels-had-been-far-greater-than-recognised/
@Chicureo
Since he's already been mentioned in this thread, I wonder if the Germans thought the same when they elected Hitler? The Treaty of Versailles seemed so unfair, surely they thought they needed someone strong to stand up for them? It even seemed to work... for a while.
DT
Mar 26th, 2019 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stink's posts are nearly always tongue-in-cheek....not to be taken too seriously. In his own way, he reminds me of Gollum.
To be fair, Gollum would've never admitted I was right about something. Also, I don't think he even understands that people aren't always serious. To him, everything you say is a logical statement to be analysed and preferably used to 'prove' you wrong. He's practically the platonic ideal of a turnip.
Mar 26th, 2019 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all realise that Twinkle is absolutely in awe of the British and jealous to boot. But, he cant admit it and is ashamed of his heritage as Jack has detected. Just a sad wind up merchant seeing life through the bottom of a cheap Whiskey glass....
Mar 26th, 2019 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ordeeer..., ordeeeeeer...
Mar 26th, 2019 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now for something completely different...
Who wouldn't be in awe of this English gentleman...?
He is, singlehanded, as good as Monty Python's Flying Circus...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H4v7wddN-Wg
Estimado THINK
Mar 26th, 2019 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly, it has become a Flying Circus... You know you're it trouble when the humorless Germans find the Speaker of the House amusing...
DemonTree
Not all strong independent visionary national leaders have been brutal megalomaniacs like Hitler. You do however need someone (best politely described as a cunning take-no-prisoner b*stard/b*tch) to take a bold counter offense against the Eurocrats in Brussels.
I worry like many Anglophiles that your fractured leadership will replace May with an inept and slightly out-of-his-head Basil Fawlty type of PM who will further manage your country as efficiently as... ...well as the Fawlty Towers of the EU...
Europe was never culturally compatible for an artificial union. You do remember the joke about the difference of what is an European Heaven and what is one in Hell don't you?
Heh, the Germans have discovered Bercow. :)
Mar 26th, 2019 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also, I'm mildly horrified to learn that Jeremy Corbyn is the current Oppositionsführer...
@Chicureo
“Not all strong independent visionary national leaders...”
I'm sure. Visionary national leaders are pretty rare, though. At this point I'd be happy to get someone vaguely competent and not crazy or evil, but it's not looking good.
“Europe was never culturally compatible for an artificial union.”
But Latin America should be, so what are you waiting for?
TWIMC...
Mar 27th, 2019 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0((Psssssst.........., Lads...))
((I got a little secret from last week..., just for you))
((Go quiet with it..., the Engrish Foreign & Colonial Office doesn't want ya to know...))
((For all of you Anglophiles that come here to be “informed” about what happens in Malvinas..., that is))
https://www.pagina12.com.ar/183435-un-ex-combatiente-detenido-en-malvinas
- or
www.clarin.com/deportes/futbol/ex-futbolista-detenido-malvinas-mostrar-bandera-argentina-cantar-himno-nacional_0_PhqADAMgp.html
- or
www.infobae.com/deportes-2/2019/03/26/fue-jugador-de-futbol-y-es-ex-combatiente-viajo-a-las-islas-malvinas-y-estuvo-preso-dos-dias-la-historia-de-luis-escobedo/
- or
www.ole.com.ar/informacion-general/luis-escobedo-preso-malvinas_0_kwyrkfqMO.html
Oh, is that what Islander1 was talking about last week? Are those flags actually illegal in the Falklands?
Mar 27th, 2019 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0A true Englishman and former classmate from the naval institute informs me today that his Chilean born children's with UK nationality is threatened because the Brexit vote. When I asked specifically how, he became so agitated I changed to another subject. I've never experienced him so stressed, the vote today has him completely unglued.
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