MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Falklands remembers freedom of Goose Green residents locked up by Argentine forces
A very emotional ceremony took place last Wednesday at Goose Green in the Falkland Islands in remembrance of those who gave their lives for the freedom of the small community which had been locked up by the invading Argentine forces in 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis was an illegal act, as was the imprisonment of civilians at Douglas, Fox Bay, Pebble and Port Howard. A apology wouldn't go amiss.
May 31st, 2019 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +6C'mon... Mr. G. A. Llamosa ( with a Spanish double ll)...
May 31st, 2019 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You..., as everybody else in them windblown Islands..., know that the gathering of the civilian population of Ganso Verde at the “Social Club” was mostly for their own protection..., 'cause Engrish bullets bombs and missils were flying all over the place... Besides..., when things quietened down in the evenings..., folks were allowed to go home and sleep...
No civilian deads..., none injured..., nothin'...
A little detail I remember from places like Douglas, Fox Bay, Pebble and Port Howard....
More than once... our troops took down them looooong steel wires used as antennas by the civilians to radio important information about Argie activity and positions to the British Command...
Again..., No civilian deads..., none injured..., nothin'...
I wonder if British troops would have been so lenient to an unfriendfly civilian population putting their lives at risk...
What do you Think...?
My boss was in Iraq and they were.
May 31st, 2019 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Incidentally, your armed forces were far from lenient towards their own citizens. Why the difference?
Ya mean to tell me that the eight years long Op Telic did not cost no civilian lives in iraq..., boy...?
May 31st, 2019 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Iraq was just a tad better defended than the Falklands was. It's a lot easier to keep control when there are 5 times as many soldiers as civilians.
May 31st, 2019 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +2So what d'you reckon: the Argie armed forces wanted to avoid killing civilians because it would look bad at the UN? They thought they could persuade the locals to support them if they played nice? Or the people in charge really felt British lives were more valuable than those of poor/brown/commie Argentines?
Cut the crap boy...
May 31st, 2019 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -5What have ~400.000 civilian casualities in ~ 8 years to do with Iraq being “better defended”...?
Iraqs defences were run over in 1 month..., what about the other 95 months...?
It's surely a lot easier to keep control when you can kill anybody..., at almost free will... yes, it is..
About Malvinas 82.., I would say that it was a combination of the three points you mention + some officers in charge that did an excellent job in keeping the worst idiots of our Armed Farces at bay...
Can't believe that last one really was a factor. Your military/ruling class is so fucked up.
May 31st, 2019 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Don't believe..., inform yourself...
May 31st, 2019 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Name and surname of those officers are well known in Malvinas...
And many a Kelper has thanked them...,even if it goes against the official demonisation line...
I meant the last of my 3 points. Good to know they aren't all like that, maybe Mr Summers-Llamosa can confirm.
May 31st, 2019 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many a Kelper thanked them? Can you name names Think?
May 31st, 2019 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +4I doubt any Falklander was grateful for being invaded.
Wooooow....
Jun 01st, 2019 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse -3Mr. Roger Lorton..., recently condecorated for his one-eyed Malvinas Islands Timeline with some sort of British Colonial Order originally envisoned for local chieftains that abandoned their dark indigenous ways and subjected to the radiant fulgor of Pax Brittanica..., is asking this humble..., “irrelevant” Patagonian which Country “never was in the game”..., to snitch on them many Kelpers that thanked Argie officers like Charles Bloomer Reeve or Barry Melbourne Hussey for their correct conducts under a difficult situation that certainly wasn't no picnic...
Sorry Copper... I never snitched on nobody... and I certainly have no intentions to ever do...
A bit of “Malvinas 82” trivia*...:
CHARLES BLOOMER REEVE & BARRY MELBOURNE HUSSEY were some of the sweet Argie Goodies...
PATRICK DOWLING was the baddest of the Argie baddies...
*(Some funny, exotic names those “Argie Foreign Alien Invaders” had...)
Seem to recall that Bloomer-Reeve's reputation had taken a dive recently due to his spying activities which led to deportations. Read something somewhere. Middlebrook maybe. I'll see if I can find it again.
Jun 01st, 2019 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse +1Think,
Jun 01st, 2019 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse +3Yes the 2 Arg officers you mentioned did indeed do a fair amount to keep the worst side of Arg Nazis away from some very upset Islanders. Indeed I heard one of those 2 was invited to return here as an FIG guest for the 25th anniv, but declined because of fears for his family,s subsequent safety from your then President,s gangs of thugs.
But you are in your dream cups if you believe the civilian roundup at GooseGreen was all for civilian safety! The Task Force were accuraltley targeting your air Force positions over half a mile from the nearest houses. So for their “safety” elderly women and young children were held with armed guards on the doors in a building with no food in the clothes they stood up in for a coupe of days before anyone was allowed out to go and get just a few biscuits and tinned meat to bring back to eat?
Those there(and the other locations)- including the young children who are today,s adults, will simply NEVER forgive your country for those events - and who can blame them. A public apology by your country might help.
Mr. Timlander1...
Jun 01st, 2019 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse -5The one in its “dream cups” seems to be you..., my green fingered Kelper...
I DID NOT WRITE THAT.....: “The civilian roundup at GooseGreen WAS ALL for civilian safety”
WHAT I DID WRITE WAS...: “The gathering of the civilian population of Ganso Verde at the “Social Club” WAS MOSTLY for their own protection”...
Two quite different things..., don't you Think...?
In respect of the...: ***“Task Force accuraltley targeting”*** I seem to vagely remember Ganso Verdes townhall walls perforated by quite a few Engrish bullets...
Besides... who's “Task Farce accurate targeting” was responsible for the only civilian casualities during the Malvinas82 conflict...?
To finish..., i take myself the liberty of assuming that the FIG(leaf) invitaton to one of the afore mentioned Argie officers for the 25th. anniversary it's kind of an official Kelper recognition and thanks for..., as I described above..., his correct conduct...
Unfortunately, Think, you are, as ever, incorrect on a few counts. The 114 kept as human shields in Goose Green were not allowed to go home to their beds in the evening. All of their homes were used to billet the invaders, who pretty much destroyed their homes, even to the point of shitting in chests of drawers. They killed the livestock, smashed children's toys and were generally very unpleasant. The air was not thick with British ordinance flying around either. In fact it was the Argentines themselves who set up armaments in the village, making the place a target, which the British avoided shooting at.
Jun 01st, 2019 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The 114 were not herded into the hall for their own protection, and if you do choose to believe the propaganda you're a bigger fool than at first thought.
Neither were they fed properly, as prisoners they were treated much less well than the Argentine prisoners and casualties were treated by the British.
You need to sort yourself out, buttercup, before you start commenting about things you know nothing about.
TWIMC...
Jun 01st, 2019 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -6As usual with those demonization campaigns..., stories get better with every season...
The last one I heard about little Lisa's parents almost provoking that Dowling swine to blow her flaxen head off with their stiff upper lip attitude..., doesnt correspond at all with Glenda & Neils parenting skills...
JUST SAYING...
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Think, correct he was invited by FIG as a mark of recognition for his reasonable decency in doing his job in difficult circumstances.
Jun 01st, 2019 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Unaware of any British bullets hitting the Hall in GooseGreen, possibly the odd ricochet hit the tower above the main roof?- in your imagination! As for the 3 civ casualties- FACT No 1- the ICRC put out that all civilians in Stanley those closing days were sheltering at night in stone buildings in the Stanley Town centre! - Bullshit ! - some were but many others were in their homes all over the town.
Fact 2- Arg Army carefully positioned their heavy 150mm Artillery guns in streets around the town outskirts so the British could not target them! That me thinks was a breach of the Geneva Convention?
result - that night a RN vessel was targeting some such guns near the edge of the town at night where they had been moved to fire - and- as happens at times in war - a shell fell short and hit a house near the edge of town- the only reason the RN opened fire on a position that close to the houses anyway was because they had the info from the ICRC- so they figured if a shell fell short then there was nobody there!
In war - we civilians tend to end up “piggy in the middle” - it speaks volumes for the
British Forces that civilian casualties were so low in the end.
Oh - best I guess we don't mention the Napalm the FAA tried to drop but luckily missed with.
And some of your special forces who on surrendering were caught with dum-dum bullets in their kit.
War produces some nasty people - luckily not all on your side were- just a minority - but they were there.
No known evidence of such on our side in 1982.
That's not the Lisa who now edits Penguin News, is it?
Jun 01st, 2019 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Look Tim...
Jun 01st, 2019 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3We ae like two football fans...
One a Celtic Saint..., one a Rangers dastard...;-)
We see all what happens in the field quite differently...
Only one thing can't be biased by any of us...:The end result...
And the end result of Ganso Verde's - Malvnas 82 episode was...:
No civilian deads..., none injured..., nothin'............... Do you get my drift...?
It was still an illegal detention of innocent civilians, as it was at the other locations.....whatever the motivation. One previous Argentine Foreign Minister almost apologised; maybe one day we will find one with a bit of decency.
Jun 01st, 2019 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Mr. G. A. Llamosa ( with a Spanish double ll)...
Jun 01st, 2019 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Check your sources..., Chay...
It is illlegal to kill..., maim..., attack or torture innocent civilians at war...
It is NOT illegal to detain innocent civilians at war for a varied number of reasons...
If you find any international convention contradicting me..., I would be grateful for a link...
By the way..., that previous Argentine Foreign Minister that “almost apologised to you..., Kelpers”was never met by you lot with other than a clear “ Bugger Off”...
Again..., if you have any documentation that contradicts my info..., I would be happy and grateful to see it...
Roger over...
Think,
Jun 01st, 2019 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Agree - we do see it differently- agree nobody was killed at Goose Green - BUT what happened there was un-necessary and it is against the rules to incarcerate innocent civilians and forbid them acces to food and basic human needs and pretty inhuman to elderly and children in particular,
and thus will never be forgotten nor forgiven - without a formal apology from the Arg Government.
Yes in most places and cases the Arg Officers in charge in places were fairly reasonable in their behaviour to civilians under their control bearing in mind they were the army of occupation and were to those of us in the Islands then - our enemy.
But in some cases and places - like Goose Green - they were somewhat less than reasonable!
Glad though you agree that Dowling was the worst of the worst - and like all that type - are 100% cowards - fled his men the night before surrender back to Argentina.
@Islander1
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you meet Dowling yourself, or the two 'good guys' Think mentioned?
It's just really sad to see that the only motivation in having any self identity for them only has to do with using Argentina's attempt at recuperating their territory as practically their sole reason for being their it would seem. Fake patriotism spun by those who seek to strategically construct an emotional narrative, instead of confronting the only one who is truly accountable and to blame for the very existence of the dispute; Great Britain and the City of London. Essentially the result of Britain bigoted contempt and centuries old usurping feud against Hispanic America. Like a robber hurrying its walking pace pretending he's not leaving a mugging scene, the Falklander's London tied rich are rushing to industrialize the islands and mold the islanders into a schedule of ritualistic dates that have to do with maintaining Argentina as an enemy thus infusing the Islanders with never healing resentment, when Argentina has ever and only wanted Britain to respect and acknowledge the confrontation and usurpation of 1833, for which the Islanders were brought to the islands in order to have it instead, ignored; in its unstoppable belief that it is more deserving and entitled to the world than the rest of its countries.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse -3Mr. DemonTree...
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse -2I would be VERY surprised if Tim hasn't met Carlos several times...
He and family spent a couple of years in Puerto Estanley during the seventies...
At that time..., Puerto Estanley was a much..., much smaller hamlet than it is today...
Patrick Edgar - you are hilarious...
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Fake patriotism”? My wife’s family go back almost 150 years in the Falklands - her attachment to her home is deep-rooted and genuine.
“Usurping feud against Hispanic America”? How did South America become Hispanic? By force against an indigenous population. In 1833 Argentina’s Southern border was only 100 miles South of Buenos Aires. They still celebrate the 1870s Conquest of the Desert on their banknotes.
“...ritualistic dates that have to do with maintaining Argentina as an enemy thus infusing the Islanders with never healing resentment....” Argentina seem to continue to raise their continued intention to possess the Islands every January, and celebrate starting their illegal invasion of the Islands every 2nd April, “ritualistic dates” that reinforce their position as an enemy and cause well-founded resentment that will only heal when they drop their unfounded claims.
Think,
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +1No never lived in Stanley in the 1970s, never spent more than a few days a year there. West was my home. I meet Bloomer Reeve once briefly seemed a pleasant enough person. Demon - no luckily never met the nasty little Irish-Arg bloke.
Patrik- you clearly have zero knowledge and comprehension about how people who live here fell about their homeland. I know several folks here born in Chile and other nations who feel VERY Falkland Islander and patriotic about the country they now call home.
Business and Commerce - you are several generation out of date as with the rest of your colonial mind set.
Mr. Timlander1
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I was referring to Mr. Reeve who lived a couple of years in Puerto Estanley during the seventies...
I knew you had to be a Westie...
You lack some of them most refined metropolitan BS qualities them Puerto Estanley urbanites seem to have developed through careful breeding and unnatural selection during the past many years...
Mike Summers
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Please check how British troops treated civilians in Iraq.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxi5kxzx3V0
I loved living in Hawaii, it doesn't mean I felt patriotic about it. True patriotism is a rich sentiment full of substance and passion for the future. Falklander “patriotism” seems to be all about opposing Argentina and repeating to themselves “they belong there”. The islanders do not any real sense of being there, though they may love their lives there and the islands themselves, they have no political independent confident thought. They try to build it though. If they did, they would be afraid of confronting London and demanding it settle their dispute with Argentina the correct way and with accountability, so that they can know where they stand, and so that they can negotiate their right to the Islands independently with Argentina. They function no better than a human political shield talking a whole lot of crap with zero substance disguising their servitude to London
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“True patriotism is a rich sentiment full of substance and passion for the future.”
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +3When are you gonna be patriotic enough to renounce US citizenship and apply for Argentine?
@Islander1
Wow. It isn't enough to live in one of the most isolated parts of the world, you were also in an out-of-the-way corner of it. How did kids on West Falkland go to school, did they do it over the radio like in Australia?
My patriotism is real, it's heart felt. I don't need a piece of paper or passport for me to know where my patriotism lies. I feel it so clearly that I have no problem at all knowing I feel it for both my two countries, the United States and Argentina.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Aw, no love for Italy? But seriously, you don't know what someone else feels in their heart. Even if they express it differently to you, that doesn't mean their patriotism isn't real.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Think- apologies to you above, always a wester at heart.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +1DemonTree- cannot recall all the details( quite a few years ago)I think radio school was operating back then(1950s), if not enough kids on the farm to warrant the Govt putting a fullltime teacher there you had a “travelling teacher” who came for 2 weeks - and then moved on coming back 4 weeks or so later- in that gap mother made sure the preset homework was done and I think we spoke on the radio link at times. Once you got to 10/11yrs all farm kids went to a Govt run Boarding School over on the East at GooseGreen until you finished at 15/16yrs so we had full time 2ndry Schooling but still in a very rural surrounding. That School was sadly destroyed in the battle all this topic started from!
Don't be offensive Demon Tree. I do love Italy, and I'm very happy to be an Italian. I just have a very realistic and sober understanding of my feelings and their appropriateness. I only came to live to Italy the first time when I was 28. And I've yet never stayed longer than a three and a half year period.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -2And I never said the Islanders did not feel patriotism, I'm merely talking about what I perceive it consists of, in view of their political reality as well. Don't forget that I've been reading what comes out of their for many years now, I've heard people talk on video in many different situations, at the United Nations, or in BBC interviews in London, in my own mother tongue language, I see their sentiments, and hear their comments about Argentina and Argentinians, I listen to their thinking about the dispute, the war, and notice many voids in all these things. There is a lot you can detract and broadly deduce through so much exposure. You need not visit the islands and meet islanders in person to often get a direct impression of how they feel about their own home, about the British, or even in what why they care about their future.
Doesn't he go on? Waffle, waffle, waffle.......... He's the same on Facebook.
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Pat is seeking to be accepted in Argieland by being more Argie than the Argies. I have little doubt that even the most ardent Malvinista would find Rambling Sid Regini somewhat weird.
@Islander1
Jun 02nd, 2019 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's pretty cool, at least they made sure you got an education. Must've been kind of scary going to boarding school at that age, but at least you probably knew most of the other kids already. Does the Argentine Army have something against schools or what? Think I read that they used the one in Stanley for storing munitions and parading the soldiers.
@PE
Wasn't trying to be. Italy's a pretty cool country with the food, history, art, and many different landscapes, it would be a shame if you didn't feel any connection.
Sounds like you are talking about a siege mentality, which is hardly surprising under the circumstances. If you can't see how Argentina contributes to that, then you're never going to understand anything.
Mr. DemonTree...
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse -3Does the Engrish Royal Army have something against schools or what?
Think you should inform yourself before commenting...
Relax, it was just a joke.
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1Also, the army isn't royal, only some regiments. England had a standing navy long before a standing army.
A joke..., suuuure...
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse -3By the way..., strange priorities you Engrish have...
You readily “undersand” your soldiers murdering unarmed, wounded war prisoners...
But you get miffed every single time this humble Patagonian calls your Army “Royal”..., your Airforce “British” ..., your Navy “Engrish”... or your Royal Family “German”...
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Jun 03rd, 2019 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quit being an arrogant pump Roger Lorton. What do you know about my life? Absolutely nothing. A man's countryhood and patriotism is felt in his heart beyond anyone else's confirmation. He alone is the bearer of its truth. It just so happens that it normally correlates with a person's birthplace, but it also has to do with many other very strong forces like the culture he grew up in, his parents nationality, his mother tongue language and so on. I don't and never have sought to be accepted by Argentinians, simply because I am Argentinian. I'm an Argentinian that was born in the United States, and grew up partially American as well, yet mainly Argentinian as I later did half of my schooling in Argentina. Is that too complicated for you to understand? I can't only thus then detract that your shallow understanding of human beings must match your shallow understanding of the Argentine dispute against the British occupation of their Malvinas Islands.
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse -2Patrick,
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse +2Actually its not the “British” who occupy the Islands- its the Falklands people who do so- some of the older families being the descendants of thosen who did indeed come from Britain to settle in a land where NO local natural civilian population was displaced - and as recent surveys have shown - the majority of us consider ourselves first and foremost- Falkland Islanders - then yes - British in the wider sense and as that indeed is the country that offers us protection against an ongoing colonial threat, but Falkland Islanders First.
The Colonial threat is YOU jar head. Get it right, is Argentina interested in British assests, or is Britain interested in Argentinian assets? Britain has not stopped drawing plans on South America for over 200 years and has done nothing but try to usurp us is dozens of different ways. You are simply kept in the fog about Britain, it's that simple. The British government lies to you worse than a 42nd St whore. Britain want s you to believe and wants it to look like it is “the Islanders” who occupy the Islands. But in reality, that is just a front. We all know different. In 1833 British changed their minds and shamelessly took the Islands by force from the Argentine. Then eleven years later they brought people and created a government for them using democratic principals, basically because its easier and more effective to make people feel like they govern themselves than to govern them from afar, and to then make people sound the the way you are talking now on behalf of British interests. A more obvious scheme could not be more transparent. The same is done in Gibraltar. In the case of Palestine for example Israel wanted to use that logic in the future by bringing settlers in, but at this point Trump and Netanyahu have teamed up to be so insolent that it looks like they are just going to skip the bullsh*it middle phase and steamroll their will onto the occupied territories without any “democratic narrative crap” it would seem. I can tell by the way you talk you have been intensely conditioned to believe the righteous British narrative as well. You're wrong. Today's Islanders were brought over the vacancy left by a displaced population of people who either had to accept British rule or go back to Argentina. Argentina protested. There had been Southamericans and other nationalities coming and going to the islands since 1776. The Malvinas were part of the Viceroyalties of the Spanish in South America, of which Buenos Aires was one of its capitals. Oh foolish denial!
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse -3God Patrick or should I refer to you as a pompous prick.You like to waffle on and on and on. The year is 2019, we have moved on now. Just get over it YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE FALKLANDS FULL STOP. You can go back as many years as you want but YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE FALKLANDS. The FALKLANDERS DO NOT WANT TO BE A COLONIAL STATE OF ARGENTINA.They speak ENGLISH you cretin.
Jun 03rd, 2019 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Patrick- it amuses me how upset Argentine folks get when one mentions the world Colonialism!! - as the old saying goes- the truth so often hurts.
Jun 04th, 2019 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse +2Colonialism- you know- when a country wishes to extend and enforce its power over a place whose people do not want it.
OK- I smile every time I remember- last summer an Argentine tourist on the coach tour I was leading out to their cemetery sat at the front right close and said to me“The English were Pirates” - you should have seen her face when I replied- “madam _ agree with you 100%” - pause-” yes 200-300 years ago they were- as were the Spanish-the French-The Portuguese-The Italians-The Dutch-Then BelgiansThe Danish-The Germans- all those old European powers were at it, smash and grab by he who had the biggest sword and musket.
But those nations - and the rest of the world has moved on and grown up and matured since then - today we have things called Human Rights- Rights of Peoples to determine their own future- the principle of self-determination etc now rule supreme. Well they do worldwide- except in a few countries - like the one nearest to the Falklands.
When are to 30 plus million Argentine sof European ancestry going to pack their bags and go back to Europe from whence they came and pushed aside the natural peoples of Argentina- it was good old Colonialism! Similar to the version your famous Generals practised in Patagonia in the 1850-18560s era. - bugger the people there- we want the land!
Well done Islander1 could not have said it better. Seems the Argies are living in the past, no wonder their economy and their lives are so f*cked up, they seem to be living in a dream world or at the very least 200 odd years ago. I feel sorry for them. Time to move on.Just think how awful it would be if we ( the Brits ) had to hand back ALL the territory we stole, God have mercy.
Jun 04th, 2019 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina had it's own odd “pseudo-pirate” more like buccaneer type captain. A famous one who went and conquered California and later Hawaii it seems, or something or other.
Jun 04th, 2019 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse -2Honestly it stuns me to see the ease with which the British can so nonchalantly completely beguilingly change the narrative definition of things to absolute lies in order fit their own fairy tales. But then again, you ARE a culture of quintessential fairy tales aren't you? It's understandable though. Everything you know about Argentina was never properly laird over generations of exchanges, travels or relationships with the country and its people, but out of the sudden explosive and pressured need to justify your own very existence born in the paranoia of thinking Argentina had a bone to pick with all of you personally and exclusively, not even actually to do with Britain's actions against their country over the last 188 years starting in 1806 the first time they attempted to invade Buenos Aires. Such functionally educated imagination has astoundingly led to shockingly inverted conclusions, like that a country known for being the most infamous world invading colonial power in human history somehow yields the spot light in this case, to a country having no element written documented or described of colonialism in all its history, but rather one where it breaks from colonialism and thus repudiating its very activity. Why is it so hard for you to see the dispute over your islands simply for what it is? I repeat. Why is it so impossible for all British and Islanders to simply see this matter for what it is? Which is a country's denouncement of the usurpation of their settlement committed by another country in 1833 on islands whose political definition was not yet defined but by the living and established sole non-colonial settlement of a people and their new flag who were forced off the islands at gun point, eleven years before today's islanders had yet even been brought there by the usurpers.
Nothing about Argentina, just want to say how impressed I am that Islander1 apparently has 3 jobs and still finds time to post on here.
Jun 04th, 2019 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Patrick- As you know - The only people forced to leave the Islands in 1833 were the Arg,. militia and their dependents who had been here just a few months. The civilians - some of who had indeed been here for 2-3 years or so were all Invited to stay on, so long as they would accept British rule and laws- all bar 2 families volunteered to do so- all names of who stayed and who left are in your own Naval Archives of the log of the “Sarandi” - same last of names as are in the Royal Navy archives in England . Just that most Argentine politicians would prefer if that list of names did not exist!
Jun 04th, 2019 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse +1So the original Europeans- the Spanish conquistadores and their mates - who invaded what became Argentina in the 15-1600s were innocent settlers who came and settled an empty land where nobody had ever lived for centuries before?
So your General and their mates never went galloping around Patagonia in the 1850-60s chasing the native Patagonians off their lands and murdering many of them?
Sorry you are the one who deludes himself of reality.
By the way - I do though recognise the rights of todays Argentines to call themselves Argentines and be in that Country. Simply because that was the way the world was all those centuries ago. Don't hear you for example telling millions of USA citizens to bugger off back to Europe as they usurped what today is USA?- after all they were also just nasty old colonial brits originally according to your belief?
Sad that what could be a great nation lives in a delusion and thus unlikley to never advance.
I recall an Arg Airforce Commodore who lived here pre 1982 telling us the worst thing his ancestors had ever done was beat the British when they attacked the old Spanish empire in Buenos Aires - had the Brits won- Argentina would have become a Br Colony and long since become the Canada of South America- instead of what it is now!
Islander1. didn't the British set up a blockade on the port of Buenos Aires and not tried to conquer the whole country? After all it was a naval blockade.
Jun 04th, 2019 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahhhhhh.... Mr. Timlander1....
Jun 04th, 2019 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Your anecdotes are always so............................................................................ useful...
***” An Argie Airforce Commodore who lived there pre 1982 (that wouldn't be Comm. CHARLES BLOOMER REEVE..., would it...? :-) telling you the worst thing his ancestors had ever done was beat the British when they attacked the old Spanish empire in Buenos Aires - had the Brits won- Argentina would have become a British Colony and long since become the Canada of South America- instead of what it is now!...”***.... huhhhh...?
- I am more than positive that any of us could easilly find MANY AN ENGRISH LADY telling us that the worst thing her ancestors have ever done was beat the French at Water-loo when they attacked that young chap Napoleon - had the Brits lost - Grande-Bretagne would have become a Frog Colony and long since become a Country with excellent food and most capable male latin-lovers - instead of what it is now!...
Lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night...
Jun 04th, 2019 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Ya mean..., Whatever helps Engrish ladies you sleep at night...?
Jun 04th, 2019 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -2https://www.yourtango.com/200938569/worlds-10-best-worst-lovers
:-)))
Think- no was not him, prefer not to name the guy for his own sake , he also asked my late father- Councillor at the time- “Please keep the Falklands British as I want somewhere nice and orderly, peaceful and quiet to come and live when I retire!” - OK admit this one was after they had both had a few tots!
Jun 04th, 2019 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Wrong with Waterloo - Nelson had already smashed the French and Spanish fleets a few years before at Trafalgar so no way they could cross the Channel. Now had that naval battle gone the other way - who knows !
”Sweden (too quick)”
Jun 04th, 2019 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which Scandi country were you from again, Think? You do seem to lack a certain staying power in debates...
As for wars and invasions, I've thought before that losing the 100 years' war was a lucky thing for England. If our kings had had the French throne as well, they'd have stayed French, probably ruled from France. England would've been just a distant, neglected province.
Mr.Timlander1...
Jun 04th, 2019 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse -2-You are forgetting the glorious RAF (Royale Aviatión Française) and “Le Chunnel”..., mon Kelper1 ami...
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BG1T0J/english-channel-optimistic-engraving-showing-how-napoleon-would-reach-BG1T0J.jpg
Mr. DemonTree...
NOT Sweden..., me dear“to lazy” Engrish boy...
Lol. That list seems a tad unfair, I've taken public transport in Germany and Italy, and it wasn't the Germans who stunk. Also “too loud” - is that really a bad thing?
Jun 05th, 2019 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a ladies poll...
Jun 05th, 2019 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse -1Ask them ladies...
You lazy one...
They probably just polled the 'ladies' in their office...
Jun 05th, 2019 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I'm lazy here, it's cos I'm saving my energy for more important things. ;)
Lazy..., lazy Engrish lad...
Jun 05th, 2019 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse -1Nope..., the did not ***“ Just polled the 'ladies' in their office... ”***
According to the Torygraph..., the global research site “OnePoll.com” asked some 15,000 ladies from 20 different countries to rate us men by nationality on our abilities in bed... and give reasons for their answers...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6241440/German-men-are-worlds-worst-lovers-with-English-men-in-second-place.html
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy.....
20 different countries? Giving a top 10, and a bottom 10, and nothing in between... now it makes sense, and explains why certain nationalities were not represented.
Jun 05th, 2019 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looking at it seriously, there are no numbers given which means we don't know if the differences are significant or meaningful, and it would be pretty hard to design such a survey without confounding factors. But since the only purpose was to generate a click-bait headline, it hardly matters.
Thanks a lot for making me waste time thinking about how you'd carry it out. :(
Geeeeeeeee.....
Jun 05th, 2019 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You remind me of one of me grandchildren..., when he was young and laaaaazy....
He would use the best part of an hour finding excuses for not doing 15 minutes homework...
Oh I never did that, I always skipped doing my homework in the most efficient way possible.
Jun 05th, 2019 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stink
Jun 08th, 2019 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Read a few of your sarcastic, disparaging remarks....from the height of your mud pedestal, you obviously do not realize it but you sound just like your friend Gollum, a.k.a. Terry the Hill... or mound...of bs.
It's hilarious that you claim to know more about 1982 than the Islanders who were present...typical of a chubut turnip...but you should be proud, at least you have regimented one follower on here - another of your friends, 'a very-dissatisfied-with-everything', Mr Patrick Edgar....his comments are truly pitiful, (like yours) not worth the time of day.
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