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Montevideo, June 16th 2019 - 07:32 UTC
Argentina commemorated on Monday in downtown Buenos Aires the Day of the Affirmation of Argentine rights over the Malvinas and South Atlantic Islands in a ceremony to honor the former combatants of the 1982 South Atlantic conflict. Read full article
Argentina celebrating an 1829 public announcement of theft. How very viveza criolla.
Poor British people, bared from using their own sound criteria, devoid of any courageous self critical acknowledgment, avoiding the broad objective view of world history and merely relegated to propagandist tales of misinformation. So sad.
On a different note.
I see a lot of name dropping, institution mentions, and organization references...
yet no mention of what the substance of the event was... No touching on topics mentioned by the protesters. Nothing. Just useful references for those who know nothing in life, but fighting others who get in the way of their avarice for the world.
I try not to bare too much these days.
I see a lot of words I recognise albeit the order they are in makes little sense Trimonde.
By 'broad objective view of world history' do you mean - let us miss out all those inconvenient little details?
Argentina is NOT alone:
No Roger, I mean an inclusive view of the whole world where however we don't think of our own countries in terms of a primary frame of importance or significance, nor the sole priority of our thinking.
- I Think.., what Mr. Trimonde is trying to expressi in his very polite way..., is that you Engrish are haughty as hell...
Trimonde = older version of Patrick Edgar?
Avoiding the broad objective view of world history, its very obvious who that is.
There isn't one facet of international law that supports an Argentine claim. Every judgement that has been made concerning such claims supports the UK and every opinion from judges of the ICJ likewise.
The Island of Palmas tribunal of the PCA at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision that:
“If a dispute arises as to the sovereignty over a portion of territory, it is customary to examine which of the States claiming sovereignty possesses a title—cession conquest, occupation, etc.—superior to that which the other State might possibly bring forward against it.
”There is a general principle, in international law jurisprudence, that claims may be extinguished by the passage of time.
“The principle of extinctive prescription, that is, the bar of claims by lapse of time, is recognized by international law. It has been applied by arbitration tribunals in a number of cases. The application of the principle is flexible and there are no fixed time limits…. Undue delay in presenting a claim, which may lead to it being barred, is to distinguished from effects of the passage of time on the merits of the claim in cases where the claimant state has, by failing to protest or otherwise, given evidence of acquiescence’”: I Oppenheim 526 and 527. See Cheng, General Principles of Law as Applied by International Courts and Tribunals (1953), Chap. 18; King, Prescription of Claims in International Law, (1934) 15 B.Y.I.L. 82. Cf. prescription, acquisitive.
So the UK can prove jurisdiction as to title, and the last time I looked they have tossed a claim that exceeded thirty years (The Gentini case PCA 1903).
Moreover, you cannot apply modern law. With so much precedent in their corner, they look like their claim is in pretty good shape.
No idea what you are smoking Trimonde, but it is really sodding up your brain cells. You must be young. Cynicism comes with age.... like a bad back.
My back is fine..., copper...
If we pretend that international law and the Charter of the United Nations don't exist, Argentina could start a war and conquer the British Falkland Islands. ... Oh wait, they have already tried that. Did they succeed?
REF: Oh wait, they have already tried that. Did they succeed?
You are saying that just to heart the feelings of the miserable Argies. THAT's NOT fair at all!
@DT (Contn of Iran's Supreme Leader...)
FHC’s attitude was a surprise - until then no one thought he’d back the PT...you could say he did because he'd been exiled, but in 2011 would’ve expected him to be impartial - today, I can see they’re all the same crap, but the CNV was a PT creation, which from the start only wanted State crimes to be investigated…how else would it have passed in Congress ?
It’s clear Dilma ‘n the rest were playing the victim; their intention was to prepare the path for huge compensation later on…If not, why didn’t they ever admit to 'their' crimes, which were conveniently covered up ? Going back to 1999, it was already being discussed informally ; in 2001, an Amnesty Commission was created (by FHC) to examine cases of torture victims in 60s/70s ;
CNV was created 10 years later, not only to consolidate findings of the AmCo, but to try to incriminate the military. In the last 20 years or so, between the AmCO ‘n CNV, approx US$ 4 billion was paid to ‘victims’ (most during the PT years)…very profitable.
Even Lula benefited from the farce, despite being jailed for only 29 days…‘n was well-treated, as he acknowledged later on.
His ‘amnesty’ pension is a bit of a black box...same as some others, especially cash lump-sums ; DataPrev (State Co which manages the INSS pension system) claims it is unable to generate the Lula files…very convenient.
”You (me) for a start…totally irrelevant…the atmosphere after the CNV report, would make any claim from the military sound like mere excuses. The military resigned themselves to reality, ‘n even if they hadn’t, d’you think the PT dominated congress would’ve given them compensation?
Half of Americans” ? doubt it…considering most of its population descends fm immigrants, ‘n that the white American average genetic make-up is 018 % native American (98.6% European, 0,19 African), ‘n black Americans even less, I’d think the low number shows their contribution to US population is pretty small.
FHC’s attitude was a surprise
Perhaps he cares more about freedom of speech and thought than you do. He wasn't a revolutionary, but still had to leave Brazil because of his beliefs.
If not, why didn’t they ever admit to 'their' crimes
Likely they still don't think they committed any. D'you reckon the military commanders who ordered tortures and murders, believe that they did anything wrong? Do YOU think they did? It would've been different if the commission could dispense justice, but that wasn't an option.
Re the military, don't they or their family get a pension if they are injured or killed in service? And the 'freedom fighters' didn't torture anyone, did they?
As for Lula's 'pension', how much could he have got for only 29 days in jail? Surely it would be a lump sum, and not a big one?
”Half of Americans” ?
Not half of Americans that have a native ancestor, but half that claim so. I was exaggerating, but the number is certainly implausibly high. Seems to be a 'romantic' legend that many old families there pass on. Though, IIRC, the percentage is actually higher among black Americans, and obviously much higher among Latinos. But apart from that, if the ancestor was more than 6 generations ago, you might not have any DNA from them anyway, or at least none detectable.
Perhaps he cares more about freedom of speech and thought than you do...cheap dig, DT.
He did NOT have to leave. His exile was self-imposed, and he returned in 1968. Get yr facts right.
Likely they still don't think they committed any....obviously not...but then who was responsible for the 126 military 'n civilian deaths attributed to them ? Ah, they died of natural causes !
If the military believed they were doing no wrong - while they did it - they at least owned up to it later on....the left NEVER did. My feeling is that the Generals believed they were fighting a war, and that the means justified the ends.
It would also have been different (if the CNV hadn't been one-sided), or fairer IF BOTH sides had been investigated and held responsible...but that didn't happen, did it ? Who made the rules ? the PT.
The families of the dead military got no more pension than they would've had they been killed in battle....not one got millions. Since the freedom fighters have not been obliged to talk about any torture they may have carried out on the military, before killing them, we'll never know.
By what I can find now, and what I heard at the time (2009), Lula received a lifetime pension of R$ 5,000 (now probably at least doubled by inflation) or abt US$ 2,500 /month (well over todays limit of R$ 5,800 for someone who worked their ass off for at least 35 years), for spending 29 days in jail in 1979, where he was well treated. The lefties made sure they were all well compensated.
Claiming native American ancestry is becoming quite common. Anything to be benefited by special programs, if you can get away with it. For ex., few days ago saw a report of a white guy here, who submitted a photo where he appeared to be 'mulato', in order to benefiit from a job quota in some public agency. When discovered he had covered his face and arms in some brown stuff, he alleged that he took the photo during summer when he was sun-tanned. Regardless, a stinkin' liar.
Well, maybe. Everyone cares more about free speech when it's their own speech being suppressed. But the attitude of 'it was all fine because it happened not to affect me' seems like a cop out. Why did FHC leave, anyway? Did he support the communists?
then who was responsible for the 126 military 'n civilian deaths attributed to them ?
It was resistance against an illegal, corrupt gvmt, and the ends justified the means.... or so they could say. I wonder how many of them do regret their actions and how many don't. If they had used torture systematically, like the army did, then something would have come out by now, from survivors, marks on the bodies, or confessions. So I think we can rule that out.
The families of the dead military got no more pension
At least they did get some kind of pension, then. Lula's sounds absurdly high, if true. Didn't he already get some kind of payout for losing his finger in an industrial accident?
Anything to be benefited by special programs
Like this case, an Indian American who pretended to be black to get into medical school:
I've also heard that kids of rich African families, who can afford to send them to private schools to get a good education, are taking college places intended to help disadvantaged African American students - not at all the intended outcome. Really shows that you need to fix the basics of funding and discipline in schools (or even start with the social problems of broken families and ghettos filled with gangs) rather than trying to rig the system at the top.
Why did FHC leave, anyway?....don't know, maybe you should ask him....I'd say he was afraid to stay...if he did support the communists, he didn't do it openly, afaik.
It was resistance against an illegal, corrupt gvmt, and the ends justified the means...as far as resistance against an illegal govt goes, that's your opinion. The Presidency was left vacant when Jango fled the country, and the military took over to avoid generalized chaos....reason enough to not be called illegal, imo.
As far as corrupt govt goes , why 'corrupt' ? what evidence d'you have of that, or is it just the leftist in you speaking out ? and while on the subject of corrupt, presume you believe the later civilian adminstrations (including the PTs) were honest...right ?
The ends justified the means...yes, and don't they usually, when at 'war' ?
Whether the military regret their actions or not, I don't know, but they came clean....did the freedom-fighters ? No.
The freedom fighter did not take prisoners, as a matter of speech....they eventually killed all those they caught...including an American Army Captain.
The military pensions were foreseen in law, just like mine...nothing to write home about, and definitely no where near as generous as the compensation granted to all those who claimed to have 'suffered' at the hands of the military. This was only possible because the governments all leaned to the left.
At the time, Lula's colleagues said he lost his finger deliberately - to be allowed to claim his pension as an invalid ( because of one 'pinky' ?) - and persue his dream of becoming union leader. No accident.
The story of your Indian (India) American did not end well....he was a fraud, and only managed it due to the quota system/ affirmative action...while quotas might be justified in some cases - that's another story - they still need to have strict vetting rules, otherwise it invites fraud. The system becomes lax, and no one bothers to really enforce the rules.
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
The Presidency was left vacant when Jango fled the country, and the military took over to avoid generalized chaos.
What a stupid statement, he fled the country because traitors, had staged coup at the behest of US interests. just like against Like against Lula.
There was a Harvard Review article published in the ’90s, which counted 44 US-backed coups in Latin America between 1898 and 1994. And so we’re in a situation where the US was involved in the 1964 coup in Brazil, and actively supported the dictatorship, which lasts until 1985.
They eventually killed all those they caught...including an American Army Captain.
For which you provide no evidence. The Captain was an American torturer who bragged about how killed uncooperative prisoners with a bayonet. Which I have fully exposed before. Which what do rehash previously discredited arguments. Which confirms you don't have any genuine issues.
Gollum, don't be so slimy, and thick.
You want evidence, numbnuts ? Look up :
I said the freedom-fighters killed him....right on...as a matter of fact it was the VPR, the group fat Dilma belonged to. They claimed he was CIA, which was pure bs...
Read an excerpt from the above link....if you can understand it.
O tribunal (dos guerrilheiros) não decidiu matá-lo porque tivesse feito algo de errado, mas porque era americano e era militar. Além disso, estavam a fim de matar alguém que desse publicidade ao terrorismo
So, why don't you provide PROOF” of YOUR STATEMENT, that he was a torturer ? and not just some concocted report by some stupid communist ...like you.
They claimed he was CIA, which was pure bs.
Joffily, Mariana (2008). In the center of the gear: the interrogations in the Operation Bandeirante and in the DOI of São Paulo (1969-1975) (PDF) (Thesis of Doctorate in Social History). São Paulo: USP-FFLCH. P. 31. doi : 10.11606 / T.8.2008.tde-03062008-152541 . The assassination of US captain Charles Rodney Chandler, a veteran of the Vietnam War on October 12, 1968, was executed by a joint command of VPR and ALN, as he was a CIA agent. GORENDER, Jacob. Fight in the dark. 5. ed. São Paulo: Attica, 1998, p. 143-144.
“Chandler served in the Vietnam War, where he was decorated as a military advisor and participated in more than 40 battles of the war; He commanded the strategic village of Bo Quan Tri in South Vietnam,considered a field of torture Vietcong prisoners.” A lecture in Campinas, where he described methods of torture of the Viet Cong. “If the subject does not speak, thrust his bayonet into his belly sticking la devagarrinho to kill”. He is thus condemned out of his own mouth, which shows a confession to a political murder.
I'd say he was afraid to stay
I guess he didn't believe he'd be safe, as long as he didn't fight against the government.
The Presidency was left vacant when Jango fled the country, and the military took over to avoid generalized chaos
Oh sure, and if you flee your home, I totally have a right to take over the vacant condo, never mind that you left because I was pointing a machine gun at you...?
why 'corrupt' ?
Weren't they all?
”presume you believe the later civilian adminstrations (including the PTs) were honest...right ?
Hah. See above.
As for ends and means, depends on what they are. Some means are so terrible that no end could justify them. Others are merely disproportionate to the ends achieved.
they eventually killed all those they caught
They kidnapped VIPs to exchange for their own members in prison; those were released. But how do you mean the army came clean? They all testified as to what they did?
The military pensions were foreseen in law, just like mine...nothing to write home about”
Makes sense. They died doing their jobs, same as if they were fighting a real war. If they deserve more (and they probably do), then so do all soldiers who die or are injured in battle. It's different to compensation for people injured or killed by the state; wonder how they determined the amounts?
Why would Lula need a pension to be union leader? Aren't they paid?
he was a fraud, and only managed it due to the quota system/ affirmative action
Entry was very competitive; he didn't lie about his grades, but the quota gave him an edge over others equally qualified. I don't think quotas are justified in this case. Why should individual Asian or white students be disadvantaged because more people who look like them want to/are qualified to train as doctors?
It's also interesting that he experienced racism after making himself look black, despite already being Asian. I think that disparity is a US thing, maybe a legacy of segregation?
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