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Brazilian evangelical pastor and husband of a lawmaker killed by two of 51 adopted children
Police in Brazil suspects an evangelical pastor, the husband of a prominent federal lawmaker, was shot dead this week by two of their 55 children following an extramarital “betrayal,” according to news reports on Friday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAdopted 51 children! How could any couple possibly raise so many? This is a pretty bizarre story.
Jun 22nd, 2019 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@JB
Are these the sort of kids you are always telling Think to adopt?
@DT
Jun 25th, 2019 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, these nice 'kiddies' would be fine for Stink to adopt.
Cont “Bolso complies...”
“Protestors here prefer throwing milkshakes”…ok...funny - but it wasn’t a ‘protestor’ in the street, here, ‘n happened during a Congressional session. MdoR would never apologise.
Saw a video of her walking thru a group of Congressmen (weeks ago)…she deliberately barges into two of them, then turns to complain…they laughed it off.
“Exactly my point. Lula didn't do any of those things”…that is exactly why I think you’re naïve…he only didn’t because his plan failed. Was easy to see he wanted an all-mighty PT ‘n a submissive Congress. But if you believe you are as informed as I am, okay.
Read the Statutes of the FdSP…they're clear. If their objective wasn’t for the left-wing parties to eventually take over, install socialist dictatorships, then why even exist, why meet up every year to discuss progress/plans? It’s hard to believe you can’t see it.
Lula’s first objective was to dominate Congress ; then the Judiciary - he tried (Mensalão, Petrolão) ‘n failed both times…if Dilma hadn’t fucked up, if Haddad had been elected, he’d be well on the way to success. Using the stolen billions to finance it all.
“And yet again, the right has got ahead”…silly remark…after 22 yrs of govt’s with leftist orientation, B got in…are you against alternating power ?
The Govt did NOT put Lula in jail ! it was the legal system - which B has nothing to do with - confirmed by 15 judges in 4 courts…but of course, Lula is innocent, all judges were in cahoots since march 2014 (when the L J was announced). You are TOO trusting in believing all the whining from the Brzln left.
“…who are they, if not the military?”…What ? the military was in power over 30 years ago, since then, the civilians have been in power…and still are.
“You said before she didn't cut enough ?” pls don’t twist my words: Dilma ('n Lula) made big cuts in 'Education' ‘n other ‘investments’- not in ‘privileges’…that's my point.
“it wasn’t a ‘protestor’ in the street”
Jun 26th, 2019 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True, it's a bit different when it happens in Congress. Wonder what MdoR was trying to achieve by bumping people? It's not like she was in a bar trying to start a fight.
“If their objective wasn’t for the left-wing parties to eventually take over, install socialist dictatorships, then why even exist, why meet up every year to discuss progress/plans?”
They can plan to promote the left without trying to install dictatorships. It's not exactly strange for leftist parties from different countries to support each other, especially when as they see it there are enemies on every side. Latin America has a long history of coups to keep the left out of power.
“after 22 yrs of govt’s with leftist orientation”
13 years. Lula was the first truely leftist president since Jango 40 years earlier. Now that was a time that could have used some alternation.
I'm not against alternating power, but only if it's due to fair elections and not a decision in the hands of a small number of judges. And I'd rather it not alternate to such extremes as B, but the mainstream candidates (including the PT), had largely discredited themselves.
“…who are they, if not the military?”
I believe I was asking who were the right people to be in power.
”Dilma ('n Lula) made big cuts in 'Education' ‘n other ‘investments’- not in ‘privileges’…that's my point.”
And Temer made bigger ones. But what privileges did he cut? Do you know what percentage of the budget is spent on different areas? No point cutting something that won't even make a difference.
@DemonTree
Jun 27th, 2019 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0REF: “How could any couple possibly raise so many?”:
That's so easy for a PERFECT couple - a politician married into a religious-gang - they'd afford ANYTHING!
REF: “This is a pretty bizarre story”:
Not all THAT bizarre; if one knows, where the kids can be sent for their higher education:
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/brief/deadly-riot-paraguay-prisons-unprepared-pcc/
@DT
Jun 27th, 2019 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MdoR is an ugly feminist who seems to hate men ; probably tried to pick a fight to play the victim, again.
FdSP : read the history (founders Lula 'n Fidel - a 'true democrat'); after USSR broke up/ stopped funding Cuba (1990), Fidel turned to LatAm; made plans to elect presidents in all LatAm countries represented by left-wing parties - Mujica, Vasquez in URU, Lula in BZL, Chaves in VZ, Morales in BOL, Correa in Ecuador, Bachelet in CHI, Fox in MEX, Ortega in NIC etc - to keep on pushing for communism in LatAM after the USSR got dismantled - to integrate LatAm politically, economically 'n culturally, with the left-wing running the show. Got a boost in 2003/4, when Lula got in, started the Mensalão, with twofold purpose: 1, to bribe Congress to back him in everything, 'n 2, to arrange money to finance left-wing parties in other countries, so each left-wing president could contribute to the day of the glorious integration. Asa the 'mensalão' imploded, the PB scheme started.
22 years...8 of FHC, a socialist, plus 14 of the PT.
You know, sounds like your insistence on “only if it's due to fair elections and not a 'decision in the hands of a small number of judges' ” has become an obsession...clearly you believe that the 2 lower courts, plus the STJ, and 8 judges from the STF all conspired together, since beginning 2014, to stop Lula from returning in 2018, even though back then he declared he didn't want to. Sound contradictory ?
People in power should not be influenced by extreme ideology, be honest 'n do what's best for the country, not themselves. The PT didn't do that, and B's been Prez for less than 6 months.
Temer made cuts in education because he had no money...remember, the crisis ? Lula made them (R$ 10 bill) alleging he didn't want to 'play with the economy in an election year' (?), Dilma made them because she was a victim of her own incompetence. Temer tried to end the immunity gimmick, tried to pass the pension reform (to end privileges).
”after USSR broke up/ stopped funding Cuba (1990), Fidel turned to LatAm”
Jun 27th, 2019 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes sense, but Cuba's influence on elections in all those countries was and is pretty limited. I've heard it was the wars in the Middle East that finally allowed left-wing parties to be elected without interference, by distracting America's attention from Latin America. It's just as good a conspiracy theory, anyway. (Perhaps Maduro should hope Trump does go to war with Iran?)
Also, do you mean Vicente Fox? He was President of Mexico when I visited, and notable for being the first president in like 70 years not to be from the 'Institutionalised Revolution Party' (nice oxymoron there). But he definitely wasn't left-wing, he was pally with Bush.
“FHC, a socialist”
The guy didn't even nationalise anything, he's about as socialist as David Cameron. Even Lula wasn't a real socialist, the economy was still capitalist and he didn't interfere too much.
“clearly you believe that the 2 lower courts, plus the STJ, and 8 judges from the STF all conspired together, since beginning 2014, to stop Lula from returning in 2018”
I don't believe that. The higher courts made their decisions when the case came to them (which was after Lula announced his candidacy), but that doesn't mean some of them weren't influenced by political (and financial) considerations one way or the other. You already believe some members of the STF were persuaded to vote in favour of Lula for these motives, why is it so implausible that other judges might have done the reverse? You think only left-wingers do bad things?
When did Lula cut education? He didn't have a recession to contend with, unlike the later presidents.
And cutting pensions is by far the most obvious way to save money, judging by this thing I found:
https://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Brazil-PUBLIC-FINANCE.html
47% of spending goes on social security (mostly pensions). But what do you mean Temer tried to end the 'immunity gimmick'?
@DT
Jun 29th, 2019 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but Cuba's influence on elections in those countries was/is pretty limited”
Cuba was just a 'mentor'...Lula (BNDES) financed foreign elections, thru overpriced construction projects by Odebrecht, which funnelled huge sums to left-wing candidates...It's notorious tt Lula helped the Chavez campaign in 2012.
Sorry....not Fox, AMLO, elected last year.
FHC was responsible for the partial (51% +) privatization of PB in 2001..which made it take off...until Lula nationalized it again (in 2007). He didn't do that for nothing.
Lula may not be extreme left wing, but once he tasted power, 'n saw how easy it was
to 'negotiate' with the so-called 'elite' (big construction Cos, ready to do anything to get a piece of the cake), he used leftist, populist rhetoric as his plataform to convince people he was their savior.
He wasn't “against” Capitalism...he saw he could use it to further his ambition...why interfere with a system while it was giving him & the PT, the means to fulfil their dream ? Sounds contradictory, but these are the subtleties of our politics which few people see.
“I don't believe that...The higher courts made their decisions when the case came to them”
Exactly, once the ball was rolling, 'n Lula only announced his candidacy when he realized it was the only way to get immunity/escape prosecution.
“But that doesn't mean some of them weren't influenced..”. they may have been, to a point, where the law gave them discretion to go one way or the other...as for Lewandoski 'n Toffoli, they were staunch petistas - Lula's lawyers before they were appointed to the STF.
STF Justices should (usually) already have been a judge...neither Lewandowski, nor Toffoli were...nor Moraes. There were no 'right-wing' judges ruling on Lula, based on the law, not politics. None of their decisions (except jail time) were overturned in the STJ/STF.
Lula cut $ 10 b (invstmts) in 2010 (1,3 in Educ)...no recession, but overspending ?
Temer tried to abolish political immunity.
@JB
Jun 29th, 2019 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Lula (BNDES) financed foreign elections“
And Chavez helped out his allies with cheap oil. Though 2012 was before the oil price dropped, so why did Chavez need money from BNDES? Also, judging by what happened in Peru, I don't think Odebrecht confined their kickbacks to left-wing governments. They were an equal-opportunity briber.
”not Fox, AMLO”
Now he's a weird one. I don't even know what AMLO is going to do. After sticking to one party for 70 years (something fishy there), Mexicans seem to be trying every possible option.
“He didn't do that for nothing.”
Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to Lula nationalising PB, or FHC privatising it? (A decidedly unsocialist act, no?) From what I've seen Lula started out more idealistic and further left, but he moved to the centre to get elected, changing more than just his style of dress. And once there the PT got involved in all the corruption. It is contradictory, because trying to get a personal benefit from politics tends to interfere with advancing ideological goals like reducing poverty, or your FdeSP plan for keeping power. So which do you see as more important for Lula?
“Lula only announced his candidacy when he realized it was the only way to get immunity/escape prosecution.”
And/or, when Dilma was impeached and he realised the only way to get another PT President might be to stand himself. As for the judges, I was more thinking of Moro and the TRF-4 judges as possibly being right-wing, or anti-PT, since they were the ones who looked at the evidence. It's a bit different in Brazil where trials have no jury and the judges decide guilt; they have a lot more responsibility and power. (Though finding an unbiased jury for a former president seems equally impossible.)
“Temer tried to abolish political immunity.”
Is that when he tried to abolish it for all jobs except his own? But it doesn't have much to do with spending, anyway.
@Jack Bauer / @DemonTree
Jun 30th, 2019 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FACT still remains that a vast majority of the crooks are not only politically active, not only go on stealing public funds but also are enjoying total freedom!
In spite of it; the masses [retarded+ignorant+brainwashed] still believe that with a tiny magic wand of The Reforms, the economy may begin to show a few faint signals of life!
That too, after voting for the crooks to get elected, permitting them to hold Official Titles in a corrupt govt!
@DT
Jul 01st, 2019 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what cheap oil did Brazil receive ? ZERO ! VZ's economy was already going south and one way to guarantee Chavez's re-election was feeding Chavez with BNDES money through overpriced contracts (Odebrecht) in VZ...
As to Peru, several ex-presidents ahave been accused of receiving bribes through Odebrecht...
“Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to Lula nationalising PB....” YES....PB was doing just fine, then Lula, needed another source of funds (after the 'mensalão')...thus the PB corruption....with the participation of the PMDB (Temer).
One thing you need to understand about Lula...his main ideology was money, and he'd use any strategy to get it...populist rehtoric, get into bed with the corrupt construction Cos, and others...
“but he moved to the centre to get elected...” Lula only moved to the centre after he was elected, when he realized his leftist talk was not appreciated by business in general...and that he would not succeed without its cooperation. Before being elected Lula's populist speech emphasized the PT's honesty (what else if they had never held power ?), wanting to help the poor, but his good intentions fizzled out after he got in.
Here, anyone who is against the left - not necessarily right-wing - is labelled right-wing by the PT....if Moro and the judges from the TRF-4, STJ, ('n 6 from) the STF, ruled against Lula, why do they “have” to be rightwing ?....they were judging corruption, not politics.
If the evidence against Lula was weak, or non-existent as some idiots like to push, you have to believe in an enormous conspiuracy theory that supposedly started at least 5 years ago....when all Lula wanted - his own words - was to disappear and spend time with his grandchildren....but did he ?
Before Temer, 55,000 politicians enjoyed total immunity from prosecution for corruption crimes, while in power...he tried to reduce it to himself, the VP, ministers and presidents of Lower house / Senate......naturally, Congress rejected it.
“And what cheap oil did Brazil receive ? ZERO !”
Jul 01st, 2019 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That sucks. But according to this article Brazilian firms were benefiting from the relationship with Vz. Not surprising they didn't complain:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-brazil-business/brazilian-firms-root-for-chavezs-man-in-venezuela-vote-idUSBRE92K0ZY20130321
Did PDVSA ever hand over the money for the Abreu e Lima refinery?
“As to Peru, several ex-presidents ahave been accused of receiving bribes through Odebrecht...”
Yes, from both sides of the political divide. It's good policy for companies to give money to both sides, whether campaign donations or bribes.
“about Lula...his main ideology was money”
Why create the FdeSP, then? He could've joined one of the established parties, or offered to ally with them for a share of the booty. You'd think he'd have changed his strategy earlier if he was only interested in money; didn't he lose 3 presidential elections before finally being elected?
“Lula only moved to the centre after he was elected”
So when Brazilians voted for him, they were expecting a far-left government like Venezuela's?
“Here, anyone who is against the left - not necessarily right-wing - is labelled right-wing by the PT”
I think this exaggeration is pretty common. You labelled FHC a socialist, when by his actions he seems pretty centrist. Perhaps the PT would call him right-wing, so where is the truth?
Moro criticised the PT, he clearly doesn't support the left. And he took a job in Bolso's government, so he's at least not opposed to the right. I don't know anything about the TRF-4 judges, but by definition they're well educated and pretty well off - a demographic far more likely to support right-of-centre policies.
I think the evidence against Lula was weak, but I don't believe in the multi-year conspiracy theory. IMO Moro was working improperly with the LJ team, and individual bias/political considerations took care of the rest.
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