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“Now I only have to recover Malvinas” says Argentine foreign minister after the milestone Mercosur/EU accord
“Now I only have to recover the Malvinas Islands” said Argentine foreign minister Jorge Faurie, following the trade and association agreement reached on Friday in Brussels between Mercosur and the European Union. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentinian Foreign Ministers have form for making silly comments. Personally the clown Timberhead took a lot of beating.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse +4Argentina confident of Falklands agreement.
Argentine Foreign Minister told Reuters Special Correspondent today that the dispute with Britain could be settled, adding 'the British are gentlemen. I think it will be settled in that spirit.' (The Citizen, 6 April 1948).
Why did it take 20 years? Because the peronistas would not play nicely. They may seen be back.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse +4“... they would consider the violation of a treaty no greater offence than a lie told by schoolboy. With the Bey of Tripoli or the Emperor of Morocco we might for a time maintain unviolated the provisions of a Treaty but with these people if a temporary advantage could be gained they would violate a treaty on the day of its ratification.” (US Envoy Baylies July 24, 1832)
He might have to wait a very long time! The new agreement isn't actually in place yet. It is an agreement to move on to drawing up a legal document agreeing the agreement! This could easily take years; Ireland is already making noises about not voting for the agreement for fear that beef imports would seriously damage Ireland's beef farmers. All member states must agree the final terms, Ireland could easily scupper the deal. Mr Faurie could well be out of a job long before his “deal” is completed
Jun 29th, 2019 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Total election speak for an administration that just isn't going to be reelected.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh yes! Macri was a superb leader managing the entire negotiation”
Vote for us!
“Now my sole remaining dream is to recover the Malvinias.”
Vote for us!
“It was really emotional, after so many years!”
The real amazing thing is that 90% of Argentines will believe all this crap about a free trade deal now done - same as they believe my homeland is theirs and I and other islanders have no rights.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I not your press conveniently failed to report the actual facts of 1832-1833 as detailed in public last week at the C24. Don't forget your own national Archives have those records as well.
A weird fantasy dreamland country you have Mr Fourie.
Mr. Timlader1
Jun 29th, 2019 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Nope..., the real amazing thing is that you believe that 90% of Argentines will believe all this crap about a free trade deal now done - same as some very turnipy Argies will believe all this crap about 90% of Kelpers being sheep shaggers when..., for obvious natural reasons..., it can't be more than ~50%...
A weird fantasy dreamland disputed BOT you reside in Mr. MIller...
Capisce...?
Think - I would agree that lots of Argentines believe crazy stuff about the Islands- simply because they have since late 1940s been taught from pre-school age that there is only one side to the story - and a pretty warped version of that one side at times.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Classic case was those young lads who came up the beaches here on 2nd April 1982 seriously expecting us to greet them as our liberators from the yoke of colonial imperialism!
Here we are free to learn all the reality of our history- and Argentine history.
Glad you can see through the verbiage of Fourie over the trade Agreement though - not exactly there yet!
If UK somehow ends up staying in the EU though and the Agreement gets finally ratified by all members - there could,then develop an interesting situation over economic and communication embargoes that Arg imposes over the Islands!
Mr Think
Jun 29th, 2019 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I suspect that 90% of Argentines will believe that they are all set to be closer to Europe, after all that's what you all dream of isn't it? Some years ago I took a very high powered delegation of UK University Vice Chancellors to your country. We were welcomed by your then Minister of Education. Let me tell you about the Argentines, she said, we are Italians who try to speak Spanish, we try very hard to dress as though we were French but deep in our hearts we wish we were English.
So no doubt you are all easily taken in by the claims that you are about to join the EU, after all, the favoured position of an Argentine is standing on the Atlantic coast looking north eastwards !!
Malvinas are URUGUAYAAAN
Jun 29th, 2019 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1There are more “ sheepshaggers in Chabut ” than in the FALKLANDS, TINKLEBELL
Jun 29th, 2019 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0papa- actually if anybody in S Amerca has a valid claim- at least Uruguay can rightfully claim truly that it inherited the Spanish claim.
Jun 29th, 2019 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Ah, Uruguay, The Purple Land that England Lost !! If only ….........................
Jun 30th, 2019 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse +1Why is Britain so worried about treating this issue like the territorial sovereignty dispute initiated in 1833 that it is, rather instead sad to its own nakedly revealing wretchedness insists like in some sort of senility choleric bout, by lying through the U.N. and working so hard at burying the true and simple definition of a Territorial Rights dispute between two Nations? Instead it tries to substitute that with a host of other fictitious issues; like “an Argentine invasion of British territory”, “a Spacial Colonial Situation” or “an Argentine usurpation of the Islander's rights to self determination”?
Jun 30th, 2019 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse -7If Britain and the Islanders where just a little less greedy, scornful and more valiant, the outcome would for sure not be as bad as feared. More than likely, if the dispute were soberly and sincerely placed where history defines its beginning, the Argentine would not win 100% sovereignty over the its entire claim. Something would have to be worked out, which would in all sensibility most liely fall on the side of favoring the Islanders, even if Argentina obtained some rights or a territorial portion of the Islands.
The fact that the British deny all truths and facts that favor Argentine perspectives and points in this argument, only sheds light on the one outstanding global issue here. That Britain politically and diplomatically bullies lies and abuses other countries' rights to fair and equal recognition by standing with contempt and insolence on its overwhelming military and political position in world.
Kelper comments are incredible. You wanted to leave the EU, can't reach a deal on how to leave, but criticize others abilities to make them. Ha!
Jun 30th, 2019 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I'd suggest you start really thinking about what's happening. Not like a few years ago, when you laughed about Trump, and now you're getting your own one, even with similar hair.
I'd suggest you go back and look at your own country situation. Which appear to be in a scenario when in a few decades it could crumble. If I were you, I'd be concerned about losing members like Northern Ireland or Scotland. I wouldn't know in which situation you end getting yourselves into.
Time to go around with a begging bowl once again!
Jun 30th, 2019 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse +1When it is time to return to the Islands, let us know. We'll send some S-400 Triumph batteries to knock down the approaching buzzards.
Jun 30th, 2019 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -4kkk
There is only one most intelligent p
Jun 30th, 2019 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -4... never mind, I left my comment there because it read 1964 characters left! jajaj Year of my birth. :-) P=Patrick . get it? ;-)
Still talking through your rear Trimonde?
Jun 30th, 2019 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You never did answer my question about whether Miriam Santina Toranzo had been worth the selling out of your family and friends? Worth the abandonment of your pregnant wife? How are Magaly and Zoe by the way?
And what sovereignty dispute? Buenos Aires was trespassing in 1833. Received two written warnings too. Argentina has no rights to claim any territory in the Falklands - not a single square foot.
Britain has sovereignty but at least has now recognised that the Islanders' must be the ones to decide their own future. Acceptance of a human right. Something Argentina could never do.
Your deflections are risible. If you had been in London today, I suppose that you would have been at the BBQ?
Anyone who calls the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands “fictitious” is probably the one who is burying the truth.
Jun 30th, 2019 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2This might be brought on from brain damage caused by over use of recreational drugs.
Or from a serious prejudice against English caucasians.
Another example of burying the truth:
Argentine military force is a just cause but UK military force is just plain unfair.
The country is unmanageable + not even worth governing unless there is plenty of cash to be made!
Jun 30th, 2019 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Diego P - just for the record - read the announcement more carefully. You haven't completed a deal with the EU. What the EU and MERCOSUR have agreed is to start the process of threshing out a legally binding agreement. That means that there will now be hundreds of mindless bureaucrats in Brussels liaising with their counterparts in Montevideo. That could take years. You, Los Argentinos have considerable expertise when it comes to mindless bureaucracy but you will probably meet your match in Brussels! It's one of the major factors that influenced the leave voters in the UK.
Jun 30th, 2019 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck!!
f*c*i*g MercoPress man! ROFLMAO !! Sometimes they just crack me up!!
Jun 30th, 2019 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I don't know who the master mind behind all these subliminal inferences are, which is being more complimentary than just accusing MercoPress of subtle political propaganda, which is what I used to go on about; but this picture of Faurie shrewdly rubbing his hands in combination with his statement about “now only recuperating Malvinas is what I have left” takes the prize!
I've been following MercoPress for a few years now, and it's so obvious there is one or more people in there whose pro British Falkland low key defame anti Argentina agenda is so consistently clear, that it's absolutely entertaining to see how crafty they are in weaving their sentiments suggestions connotations and inferences into what should appear to the inexperienced eye like fair journalism. It's bloody hilarious. Of course their false sense of security comes from the fact that they are comfortable in the though that all English native or mother tongue speakers, the only ones that could pick out a subtle and clever choice of words, all root for the same side. Wrong.
You really need to stop smoking that stuff Trimonde. You make no sense at all.
Jun 30th, 2019 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Trimonde
Jun 30th, 2019 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +1'Why is Britain so hard at burying the ...Territorial Rights dispute between two Nations?
The jurist Rosalyn Higgins President of ICJ arrived at a similar conclusion when she pointed out: “No tribunal could tell her [Argentina] that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways than through Argentinas acquiescence.”
“However intensely Argentina may disagree, Britain has clearly built up good title to the Falkland Islands under International Law over the last 150 years.”1
1. Rosalyn Higgins, “Falklands and the Law,” Observer, 2 May 1982.
Therefore she has confirmed the Islanders right to self-determination by that statement. Moreover, Argentina is barred from using “territorial integrity” as an argument. As it is a post UN law and cannot be applied retroactively.
”...The rule of the intertemporal law still insists that an act must be characterized in accordance with the law in force at the time it was done, or closely on the next occasion. ...
The Acquisition of Territory in International Law By Robert Yewdall Jenningsa Judge of the International Court of Justice from 1982. He also served as the President of the ICJ between 1991 and 1994. So in spite of your typical Argentine propensity for lying your argument is shown for the fraud that it is.
paragraph 80 of the ICJ Kosovo Advisory Opinion that states, 'the scope for the principle for territorial integrity is limited to the relationship between individual States and does not impinge on the right to self-determination and independence.'
All that is needed to recover Malvinas is to find where in our galaxy these “Malvinas” are located. The chap may have to build a wooden bridge to Mars to recover them.
Jul 01st, 2019 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@RL
Jul 01st, 2019 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, no. I see it now. It looks like Mercopress is pro-British and pro-Falklands, but that's just cover. It's actually part of a very subtle, long term plan to steal the Falklands for Uruguay. Trimonde is part of the conspiracy, trying to deflect attention and create more bad feeling between Islanders and Argentina.
REF: “Now I only have to recover Malvinas”
Jul 02nd, 2019 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse -1Yes but only after hiding the begging bowl!
The main problem is that islanders are simpletons, lacking therefore authonomy.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -3They are just scarecrows, screens for fishing and oil industries.
We are all lacking Authonomy, DugLike, it closed in 2015.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Now, if you are talking of simpletons ...... look in a mirror ;-)
DIGLUKE are you a specialist of FALKLANDERS thinking? You do not make sense in your contribution above. Do you know what a scarecrow is? Obviously not.What does “ screens for fishing and oil industries ” mean? Please elucidate.
Jul 03rd, 2019 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Faurie's legacy will be the DNA identification project and some progress on the Merco-EU trade deal. He can drift off into retirement after the election. I am certain this comment was a little joke on his part.
Jul 04th, 2019 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Irish government has now stated publicly that it will probably vote against the trade deal and French farmers have also expressed serious concern A time scale for completion of the agreement is reported to be 2 to 10 years ! Mr Faurie is unlikely to see “his deal” come to fruition.
Jul 04th, 2019 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain did not “give the Islands to Argentina upon succession” . The Islands were part of the La Plata Vice Royalty since 1776. When the United Provinces started fighting for their independence, the Malvinas were considered part of Buenos Aires. Spain would have had to consciously re occupy Malvinas to try and keep Buenos Aires from integrating them into the Union. It choose not to, so by default when Buenos Aires won independence it inherited Malvinas, something most British don't understand.
Jul 04th, 2019 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Trimonde
Jul 04th, 2019 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“The Malvinas were considered part of Buenos Aires.”
Is a bold faced lie as the UK's claim was in the public domain. As the US stated when Argentina tried to invoke the Monroe doctrine.
”Foreign Secretary Palmerston to Don Manuel Moren, jan. 8, 1834,22 BRITISH AND FOREIGN STATE PAPERS (1833-1834), at 1384 (1847).“No answer was, however, at any time returned, nor was any objection raised..to the rights of Great Britain, as asserted in that protest; but the Buenos Ayrean government persisted..The government of the United Provinces of the Rio de la Plata could not have expected, after the explicit declaration…,that his Majesty would silently submit to such a course of proceeding; nor could that government have been surprised at the step which his Majesty thought proper to take, in order to the resumption of rights which had never been abandoned, and which had only been permitted to lie dormant, under circumstances which had been explained to the Buenos-Ayrean government.
The claim of Great Britain to the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands having been unequivocally asserted and maintained, during those discussions with Spain, in 1770 and 1771, which nearly led to a war between the two countries, and Spain having deemed it proper to put an end to those discussions, by restoring to his Majesty the places from which British subjects had been expelled, the government of the United Provinces could not reasonably have anticipated that the British Government would permit any other state to exercise a right, as derived from Spain, which Great Britain had denied to Spain herself; and this consideration alone would fully justify his Majesty’s Government in declining to enter into any further explanation upon a question which, upwards of half a century ago, was so notoriously and decisively adjusted with another government more immediately concerned.”
All assumptions. Spain never conceded nor yielded its right to Puerto Soledad on the Eastern Island. The claim confrontation over the archipelago had never been resolved. Therefore there was no official right of ownership, only and ambiguous allowance to return to Port Egmont on the Western Island. Yet Britain did not demonstrate any interest in settling the islands. All that was demonstrated was the absenteeism required for another State to freely make good of effective occupation based on the living settlement of a population, which already had political administrative ties to the land. Claiming alone does not give you rights over people effectively living on a territory. No matter how good words may sound. The fundament of principals of sovereignty were never consolidated by Britain, it chose to let them go, as if it had a rightful uncontested right in could return to at will, but it never did. It never seized being merely a claim in spite of the Spanish right to that sector of the oceans, a political claim not worth any more than an instrument of political argument against Spain's right to the Malvinas. It never seized being an argument. No matter how many document's were produced by either Britain or America, neither country rules the world. Funny enough they both want to be the authors of international law.
Jul 04th, 2019 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Trimonde
Jul 04th, 2019 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Spain never conceded nor yielded its right to Puerto Soledad on the Eastern Island.”
So what? Two diplomatic notes from UK were ignored. Argentina resorted to a unilateral act force, by placing an armed garrison.
So the UK acted likewise, in perfect accord with international legalities, and diplomatic protocol of the time. You lost that power trip, sorry you don't get second kick at the can. It's same as if the issue had been decided judicially, its finito its over. So matters that you now raise don't even get a look in.
“The Island of Palmas tribunal of the PCA at the Hague explicitly recognized the validity of conquest as a mode of acquiring territory when it declared in its decision that:
“If a dispute arises as to the sovereignty over a portion of territory, it is customary to examine which of the States claiming sovereignty possesses a title—cession conquest, occupation, etc.—superior to that which the other State might possibly bring forward against it.”
”the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modern prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created ‘prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law’.
Akehurst's Modern Introduction To International Law by Peter Malanczuk
UK had no right to demand anything. That's what so many of you fail to understand. You shoot right past the fact that god does not grant your Queen any rights, and think that everyone must adjust to your government's expectations. This is what is most mind-boggling though. THAT NONE OF YOU SEE THAT ! lol It' like you're in a trance.
Jul 04th, 2019 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Trimonde
Jul 04th, 2019 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“UK had no right to demand anything ... god does not grant your Queen any rights” Says who? You.
Oh, is that what your reduced to claiming? That God is on your side. I don't think so, I never heard of the good Lord endorsing thieves and liars.
Usual Argie propaganda. Buenos Aires did not inherit the Falklands - or Uruguay, or Paraguay or, indeed, any of the Viceroyalty's territory that it was unable to hold by the strength of its arms. Rosas tried hard enough, after all.
Jul 05th, 2019 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse +2The archipelago was disputed between Spain and Britain from 1766 until 1833. Both of those nations still claimed in 1833. Spain would not cede its claim until 1863.
Buenos Aires/Argentina was never a party to that dispute and was given two clear warnings to stay away. BA didn't listen so BA was rightly ejected for trespass.
It has nothing to do with Gods or other imaginary beings, it has to do with people, and power and, rather more recently, human rights.
Argentina's claims are entirely spurious. Had they not been, then Argentina would have taken its case to the League of Nations in 1920 or sought resolution via the ICJ/arbitration after 1946.
You waste our time with your propaganda Trimonde. Thought you had been retired.
@Roger Lorton
Jul 07th, 2019 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You made your point - and very clearly too!
History apart, the practical - down to earth view - is that the Argies have reached the point where the only way to survive is to sell their own country in bits/pieces.
Either THAT or getting a bigger begging bowl, in hope that the IMF or some other [WWF, maybe?] gullible institution is willing to be taken for a ride; so that some alms can be thrown in the general direction of Argentina!
So, what on earth are they bickering about as far as Falklands is concerned; when their own ar*es are at stake?
@Roger Lorton. As long as the islands were disputed, they did not belong to anyone. It's just that simple. Britain could not assert its claim so as long as Spain did too and viceversa. That's what international law is built on. Argentina claimed the islands amidst this irresolution, and sustains that by 1816 it had more rights to these islands than Spain and Britain combined . This is essentially what the Argentina claim is all about, if Argentina had my confidence and bravado before the British and the Americans in holding up the truth before the international arena, this conflict would be in a very different place today. And I'm not shooting out of my a** either. What I'm saying is entirely supported by natural political law.
Jul 07th, 2019 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2And @Terrence ... ROFLMfAO! . I don't think you're even aware of what you're saying. Although ... to me what you seem to believe, does explain a lot of things
Trimonde. Are you mad? The Falklands are British. No amount of disputes can change that. Britain rules them. Britain runs them. They are a British Overseas Territory. Now, while Britain recognises that the Islanders have the ultimate choice on their future, until such time as they wish to be something else, those islands are British.
Jul 07th, 2019 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse +2That you disagree is of no practical relevance. What Argentina sustains is of no relevance either. Why? Because Argentina is impotent; unable to take its spurious claims forward - afeared of the ICJ and unable to make headway with any other form of arbitration/adjudication.
There is simply nothing Argentina can do.
Your claims are as mist. Natural political law?? Did you make that up? No such thing.
Grow up, and stop talking out of your rear.
Trimond
Jul 07th, 2019 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“I don't think you're even aware of what you're saying” Of course I am, that is why in contrast to you every thing I present is supported by citations from international law. Whereas, you cannot produce anything to support your own unqualified personal opinion.
@Roger Lorton
Jul 08th, 2019 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse -2REF: “There is simply nothing Argentina can do”:
Why not? If the IMF can't save their a*ses; any Cartel will be able, willing & anxious to help Argentina! Bad Luck they got caught Red-Handed [besides the Brazilian Air Force with a SMALL shipment of drugs caught in Seville, Spain]:
https://en.mercopress.com/2019/07/01/the-transnational-investigation-behind-argentina-s-largest-seizure-of-weapons
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