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Falklands' sovereignty claim, a priority for opposition presidential frontrunner
The Falklands/Malvinas were not absent from the Argentine presidential candidates' debate on Sunday evening in Santa Fe province. President Mauricio Macri running for reelection was criticized by opposition front runner Alberto Fernandez for “forgetting to claim the Islands' sovereignty”. Read full article
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Oct 14th, 2019 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse -2You forgot to link to Alberto Fernandez clear words...:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0iCcYsXnZKs
No need to thank me...
My pleasure...
Cheers Think - I've just dropped 'Argentina ilegítima de reclamos de soberanía' on it. Boom!
Oct 14th, 2019 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse +2Argentina has no claim. Period.
Oct 14th, 2019 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse +5Fantasy Dreams in hot air! I like the one about needing to get Arg life standards and personal incomes etc up to UK and FI level first - now that would indeed be good for your population- but might take a mindset change in your politicians and some civil servants.
Oct 14th, 2019 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse +4Islander1 It might take about a hundred years to get to the standard of the UK, or on second thoughts maybe two hundred years.
Oct 14th, 2019 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse +3The reality is of course that many Argentines already have incomes and life styles as good as if not rather better than we in the UK. Take a stroll around Olivos, Martinez or any other northern suburb and you can see them. Unfortunately the great majority of the “rest” of the country's citizens struggle to survive but the “haves” are certainly not going to give up anything - or pay their taxes - to try to improve the lot of the “have nots'. Far easier to huff and puff about reclaiming the Islas Neustras than actually getting the country sorted out. The sad thing is that these incompetent ”managers“ of the country will be voted into power. They will congratulate themselves at extravegant parties that cost more than a year's salary for the ”have nots” and continue to impoverish the country for their own ends. Of course if only they could include the Falklands in the national territory all problems woulld be solved and Argentina would be the envy of the world. Dream on !!!
Oct 14th, 2019 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse +4Mr. Timlander1...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -5You mention a certain fantasy about...: ***“ Needing to get Arg life standards and personal incomes etc up to UK and FI level first”***
I say..., nice fantasy, but...:
Who's fantasy is it......? Yours...?
What has it to do with our Malvinas claim...?
With some luck..., this heralds the return of an augmented “Hamburg Süd” methodology on all fronts...
The only one that works against you haughty Engrish squatting pirates...
Regards
El Think...
What it has to do with your Falklands claim Mr Think, as you well know, is that it is far easier to make silly claims about reclaiming lost territory than it is to get to.grips with the very real problems facing your country. You and your fellow citizens seem utterly incapable of realising the potential of your country but are only too willing to rail against the evil imperialists who have stolen your land. The land that you covet is minute compared to the rest of your country, you repeatedly fail to make a go of managing what you have got so please explain what you would do with the Falklands and how owning them would benefit your several milliion fellow citizens now living below the poverty line .
Oct 14th, 2019 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +5TWIMC...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!
The Pirate logic of the above Anglo Rover is just “flabbergasting impeccable”...
In short..., he tells us that..., in his Pirate Anglo wiew..., because we Argies are unable ***“to get to grips with the very real problems facing our country”***..., because we ***“seem utterly incapable of realising the potential of our country”***..., because them ***“evil imperialists have stolen only a minute piece of our land compared to the rest of our country that we repeatedly fail to make a go of managing what we have got”***..., we have to bugger off and ***“please explain”*** to them why we want our territory back...!
I suppose that all the above makes perfect sense..., for an Engrish squatting pirate...!
Some people may think that Argentina has more important and pressing problems than the British Falkland Islands.
Oct 14th, 2019 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse +2TWIMC...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...!
Yet another Anglo with a indistinguishable ”flabbergasting impeccable” Anglo Pirate logic...
In short..., he tells us that..., in his Pirate Anglo wiew..., because we Argies have more important and pressing problems than the Islas Malvinas Issue..., ergo..., we are supposed to bend over and let them evil Anglo imperialists steal a piece of our land...
I suppose that the above makes perfect sense..., for an Engrish squatting pirate...!
How about forgetting the ranting Mr Think and just give a straightforward answer - what is more important, getting your hands on the Falklands or trying to get over one third of your fellow Argentines out of poverty ? Forget the hysterical ramblings about pirates , why are tens of thousands of children starving in your country, a country which can provide more than enough food for all ? Would having the Falklands put food on their tables or basic medicines in the public clinics, or books in their schools ?
Oct 14th, 2019 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Oct 14th, 2019 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +5“The Pirate logic” is only yours. The only pirates in the area were from “There is scarcely a Buenos Ayrean privateer which has not committed piracy of every description” John Quincy Adams July 20th, 1820. David Jewett, and Louis Vernet
Why don't they promise to abolish homework and make everything in the tuck shop free ?
Oct 14th, 2019 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Anglo Border Rover Squatting Pirate...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -7How about forgetting the ranting Mr Rover and keep to the Malvinas subject...?
After all..., I am not asking you to give a straightforward answer about what is more important for you Engrish..., keeping some South-Atlantic Islands stolen in the glory days of your Iimperial Piracy for The Crown..., or trying to take care of the looming Brexit disaster and getting the about one quarter of your fellow Engrishmen out of poverty... ?
Anyhow..., answering your turnipy question..., having our Malvinas back and the about 500,000,000 metric tonnes of fish you steal from our waters every single year..., would certainly put a lot of food on our tables..., basic medicines in our public hospitals and books in our schools...!
What a joke, the murderous genocidal Spanish stole and killed wherever they went. Their progeny have no rights, and anyone who has attacked them and driven them back has been merely executing true “Social Justice.”
Oct 14th, 2019 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Nothing was stolen from Argentina Think.
Oct 14th, 2019 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Buenos Aires (not the Confederation) was trespassing in 1833. BA was given two written warnings before being properly and peacefully, ejected.
If anyone had their title usurped it was Spain but, other than confirming their claim to the USA in late 1833, they did not complain to Britain. Spain recognised British sovereignty in 1863.
Argentina was not Spain in 1833.
Argentina was never in the game.
Simple enough even for a Scadni/Nordic Malvinista to grasp. No?
Please excuse my above mistake..., Anglo Pirate Border Rover...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse -5It ain't ~500,000,000 metric tonnes of fish you pirates steal from our waters every single year....
It's ”only 500,000 metric tonnes... My bad...
Anyhow..., 500,000 metric tonnes of fish at a conservatively sat value of 5,000 U$D per tonne gives a total of ~2,500 million U$D...you Engrish Pirates steal from us Argies each and every year since 1989...
That kind of money would certainly put a lot of food on our tables..., basic medicines in our public hospitals and books in our schools..., don't you Think...?
The only place that fish, or money for that matter is going to end up is with your creditors, and I don't think you will be able to weasel your way out of that...
Oct 14th, 2019 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +3https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story_main/public/story/images/xi_kissenger.jpg?itok=efxwC6Aj
Think- The Fantasy world was the mention of how to advance the Sov Claim! The Income bit was in support of what one of your candidates- an outsider- suggested- get Arg living standards and Income up to UK/Western European levels - then maybe you might have a at least a chance in persuading some of us! But it would be good for all of you at least.
Oct 15th, 2019 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse +3Dont think average fish price is $5000 ton though?
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Oct 15th, 2019 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse -3Timlander1...
Oct 15th, 2019 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse -5***“Don't think average fish price is $5000 ton though”*** ..., you say...
I Think it is very close average price for first quality Argentinean Sea produce..., me dear Kelper...
But don't take me word for it... Check it...
https://www.undercurrentnews.com/prices/#/argentine_squid_500_monthly
Not Argentina's fish Think. Period
Oct 15th, 2019 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse +4Gauchito Drink and his “Torturer's Tango Duo” partner, Kamerad/Komrade Rique would rather be wielding electrodes on stripped students in the basement of Ramos Mejía General Hospital. “Haga patria, mate un estudiante!” Isn't that right, Asesino?
Oct 15th, 2019 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse +1https://img.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/kkrique4_zpsv642e38g.jpg
Are we really going through this Malvinas madness again.. You don't have money to waste on that issue... If that's an big problem with Fernandez, you'd better keep Macri and get on with your lives....
Oct 15th, 2019 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse +3Hello Think- maybe you are right in average price- but that income goes to the various fishing companies and certainly not all registered and taxed here. Our Govt collects the Licence fees - and tax on local companies yes - but has all the costs of policing and administering the zone. No reason of course why an Argentine fishing Company cannot apply for a licence and come and make money though?
Oct 15th, 2019 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse +3TWIMC...
Oct 15th, 2019 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Geeeeeeeeeeeee...
The third Anglo (Tex/Yank “tallison46”..., this time) with the same ”flabbergasting impeccable” WASP Imperialist logic...!
In short..., this one tells us that..., in his imperialist WASP wiew..., because we Argies have ***“No money to waste on the Islas Malvinas Issue”***..., we are supposed to bend over and let them evil Anglo imperialists steal a piece of our land...
- I suppose that the above makes perfect sense..., for an Tex/Yank imperialist WASP...!
Mr. Timlander1...
Not ***“MAYBE”*** Chay......., I AM right about the average price...
The rest of your comment is plain 101 Economics ..., as the “Market Value” of the ~500,000 metric tonnes of fish you Engrish Pirates steal from us Argies each and every year since 1989 continues to be some 2,500 million U$D...
and there's me naively thinking that all those Jiggers belong to Far Eastern countries when all along they have been Falkland owned!!!
Oct 15th, 2019 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Think have you ever remotely considered realism... it's gone and it's not coming back no matter who you elect... you don't have the time, money or manpower to ever get it back until the current “Falkland Islanders” decide they want to be Argentinians and I doubt that will happen in your lifetime or mine.....
Oct 15th, 2019 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Tallison46 have you ever remotely considered realism...?
Oct 15th, 2019 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -5In my..., not so short life..., I have witnessed bigger things happen...
Take..., for example..., the demise of that once Mighty Brutish Empire...
From which Malvinas is but a pathetic souvenir... It's gone and it's not coming back...
Think...true, but why would the Islanders ever want to become part of Argentina?
Oct 15th, 2019 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Stink why not f**ck off and do your rambling somewhere else, we get the same old same old from you every post, try and Stink of something original.
Oct 15th, 2019 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +3All the time, money and effort spent on malvinización could be used to help Mexico reclaim Texas, or to support Italy's imprescriptible rights to Abyssinia.
Oct 15th, 2019 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3We Chileans support our Argentine brothers to continue to cry endlessly about their precious mythical claims because it's their national character. If they were ever to somehow change and accept the truth... They would no longer be able to live with themselves...
Oct 15th, 2019 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Not Argentina's land Think. Period
Oct 15th, 2019 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Shicureo..., hermanito...
Oct 15th, 2019 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -5What is the “TRUTH” in politics...?
The auld & ugly you believe in...? The one from Trump & Bolsonaro...?
Or the cute & fresh I believe in... The one from Greta & Camila Antonia Amaranta...?
Many countries make territorial claims. But in most cases they are rather “dormant” and no big issues in daily life. But in Argentina this old feud is still a “priority”. President Macri said 20 years ago that he did not understand it and that such a big country as Argentina should not bother about space. It would be much better for all (Argentines as well as Britons and Falklanders and the rest of the world) if they could just drop the claim. But “Malvinism” has become kind of “State religion” so it is impossible and every politician has to pay lip service to the “Malvinas cause”. A demalvinization process could start with some small steps, e.g. stop using phantasy names such as “Puerto Argentino” for Stanley. But it will take a generation or two before the Argentine public opinion is cleaned from the malvinazi poison.
Oct 16th, 2019 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse +4TWIMC...
Oct 16th, 2019 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse -3Geeeeeeeeeeeee...
- A fourth Turnip (aptly nicknamed “Swede”) presenting us the same ”flabbergasting impeccable” Swede Imperialist logic...!
In short..., this one tells us that..., in his Swede wiew...: ***”It would be much better for all (Argentineans as well as Britons and Falklanders and the rest of the world) if we could just drop our claim“*** over a stolen territory that yearly produces ~2,5 billion American Dollars worth of fish...
I can clearly see why the above Swede Turnip Thinks that...: ***” It would be much better for Britons and Falklanders if we Argies would just drop our claim“***
But..., I fail to see why the above Swede Turnip Thinks that....: ***”It would be much better for us Argentineans and the rest of the World if we Argies would just drop our claim”***
Suggestions anyone...?
Here's one Stink, why not concentrate on fixing the Economy and lower the number of people below the poverty line. Those 18.4 million or so would certainly thank the Government for doing so. All the committees and ministries that focus on THE FALKLANDS must be costing a lot of money. Stink, ALL the money saved in not hiring venues where every TOM,DICK and HARRY can go and collect hotel expenses ETC. Argentina is a MASSIVE country with humungous resourses and would you believe it TOTALLY BROKE I hope the IMF get their money back as the rest of the World is paying a price. Of course the investors in IMF are making money but HeHo who wouldn't?
Oct 16th, 2019 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse +3If you Argies drop that claim you could concentrate your efforts on many much more important things. Your country has good opportunities. It is the eight biggest country in the world. It stretches over many climate zones a has a lot of resources. It is not overpopulated and has a lot of space for immigrants. It could be a marvelous country. But you have had so many bad politicians, both elected civilians and junta officers. I thought that Macri could make a change, but it seems all will soonrevert to a more hard-core malvinist regime.
Oct 16th, 2019 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Swede..., me dear turnip...
Oct 16th, 2019 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2If you WASP's drop that Imperial anachronism of the illegal occupation of our Islas Malvinas..., we could certainly relocate the all for meager ressources dedicated to their recovery to much more important things... Your WASP's countries are humonguosly rich and powerful...
You already posess..., by colonization..., the second..., the fourth... and the sixth biggest countries in the world.... You stretch over many climate zones a has a lot of resources... You are not overpopulated and have a lot of space for immigrants... It could be a marvelous thing if your haugty Imperial WASP policies towards the rest of the World could be set aside for once and you returned our “MINUTE” south atlantic islands..., as Anglo “Border Rover” defined them above...
Capisce...?Såede
It is only normal that favourite presidential candidate Alberto Fernandez states his position regarding the Islas Malvinas. After all, the dossier got pretty limp under Mauricio Macri's tenure. We all know we don't want the islas back through violence, but there are several other fronts where a firm negotiating attitude can and will make a difference.
Oct 16th, 2019 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Voice, V0ice, Vestige, Think et al, sock-puppeteer extraordinaire and mythology major
Oct 16th, 2019 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“The illegal occupation” If this where true you would be able to prove it. Whereas, at least two presidents of the ICJ
and at least a dozen jurist publications that I have shown, absolutely refute such a contention.
The only time of I've seen the word haughty used in relationship to either nation by a neutral party, was applied to the Argentine.
“Once-Haughty Nation's Swagger Loses Its Currency
By Anthony Faiola Washington Post Foreign Service
...As Argentina has collapsed in financial meltdown, one of the casualties of the crisis has been pride. It is easy to see why. Amid a deepening four-year recession, the middle class has largely disappeared; one in every two Argentines now lives in poverty. Formerly dubbed the ”Paris of Latin America,“ Buenos Aires suddenly seems more like New York during the Great Depression, blighted by homelessness, unemployment lines and violent crime. ...”
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/argentina/swagger.htm
Sr. Enrique Massot...
Oct 16th, 2019 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Yá casi casi llegamos... :-)))
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20191027T18&p0=51&msg=Election+Day&font=sanserif
Perhaps you can identify those 'fronts' Enrique Massot ?
Oct 16th, 2019 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Don'r tell HIM, Pike...
Oct 17th, 2019 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse -1https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_YMVPXmaKds
;-)
I'd be fascinated to hear about anything that Argentina has not already tried and seen fail.
Oct 17th, 2019 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse +1The only obvious possibilities are either an Advisory Opinion from the ICJ which can be ignored or a full-blown adjudication by the ICJ which can also be ignored.
Of course, the ICJ may produce an opinion unsuitable to Argentina's fantasies.
Risky ;-)
England will return the Malvinas within 25 years.
Oct 17th, 2019 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse -2Argentina will free Patagonia within 25 years
Oct 17th, 2019 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lu, where on Earth is this mythical Malvinas? Argentina will return Argentina to the Spaniards in 25 years.
Oct 17th, 2019 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse +1Alba may say mar sin leibh to them sassenachs in 2.5 years...
Oct 17th, 2019 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse -2Ellis, Mel, Lu or whoever you call yourself.
Oct 17th, 2019 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Never in a month of Sundays.
It's always fun to watch Kamerad/Komrade Rique and his “Torturer's Tango Duo” partner, Gauchito Drink, supporting the Argentine Fascist regime's invasion of the Falklands. Pretty much says it all. Ah, to be wielding electrodes on stripped students in the basement of Ramos Mejía General Hospital. “Haga patria, mate un estudiante!” Isn't that right, Asesinos?
Oct 20th, 2019 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://img.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/kkrique4_zpsv642e38g.jpg
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