MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Ex judge Moro chosen as one of the decade's personalities by the Financial Times
Brazilian Justice Minister Sergio Moro was chosen as one of the fifty personalities of the decade by the Financial Times, a list which includes activists, politicians, business people and sports persons from all over the world. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRegardless of the FT's opinion. For the rest of us that have been engaged in legal system. Moro is clearly revealed as a criminally corrupt judge. Who prima facia appears to be working for the USDJ in using whole scale, an exact discredited case against an Alaskan senator, and applying it to Lula.
Dec 30th, 2019 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Lol, why should anyone trust your opinion over the Financial Times? They are experts.
Dec 30th, 2019 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Just barging in for a (very) brief moment after months of satisfying absence......decided to enter MP to see who was still posting, send best wishes for a great 2020 to those whom I think deserve it - they know who they are so no need to name them.
Dec 30th, 2019 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Seeing the headline on Moro, I instinctively I opened it, fully sure that some wouldn't be able to resist the temptation of making some stupid comment, despite lack of proof to back their claims, and tons of it to prove them wrong....for those, looks like 2020 will be worse than 2019....too bad....feel sorry for them...
Meanwhile, to those I consider “friends”, a great 2020 ! Be back at end 2020 !
JB
Dec 30th, 2019 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Despite lack of proof to back their claims” Oh yeah, well you can't prove your claim. Whereas as I'm still exposing you as a consummate liar.
No judge in any civilized nation would act (in the way Judge Moro has).. (as)in this primitive inquisitorial system” https :// www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz-euDLIfnM&t=7s “ Geoffrey Robertson
“Lava Jato prosecution judge Sergio Moro has close ties with the US State Department ...”
or
Brazil: Leaked Video Shows Clear Bias In Lava Jato Prosecution
http://w ww.brasilwire.com/us-admits-role-operation-lava-jato/
Best wishes for 2020, Jack. If you see this then wish me luck, you'll find out why if you come back at the end of the year.
Dec 30th, 2019 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1JB
Dec 30th, 2019 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -2“Investigation by a federal judge has concluded that two JD prosecutors intentionally hid evidence in the case against Sen. Ted Stevens, one of the biggest political corruption cases in recent history.
A found that the government team concealed documents that would have helped the late Stevens, a longtime Republican senator from Alaska, defend himself against false-statements charges in 2008.
The 500-page report by investigator Henry F. Schuelke III shook the legal community, as law professors described it as a milestone in the history of prosecutorial misconduct.
Brendan Sullivan, who defended the senator, had plenty to say.
”The extent of the corruption is shocking,“ Sullivan says. ”It's the worst misconduct we've seen in a generation by prosecutors at the Department of Justice.“
https: //www.npr.org/2012/03/15/148687717/report-prosecutors-hid-evidence-in-ted-stevens-case
Identical to the claim against Lula.
”Moro built the case with support from the U.S. DOJ. They used DOJ tactics, basing the entire conviction on one plea bargain, as the DOJ did against Senator Ted Stevens in 2009, Alaska, in a case that was also overthrown later. ... They were unable to prove that Lula owned the property. It was designed, to take out the push for Lula’s nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize this year, and to keep him in jail until after the next elections ... Now, his replacement, Gabriela Hardt, she just went along with everything he said. She threw out 1,146 pages of evidence proving Lula’s innocence that was submitted by the defense. Didn’t even look at it. As to Moro, what his political ideology is, as JM, he’s announced that he’s going to reduce/eliminate penalties for police officers who kill people, and allow them to use the excuse that they were afraid. ...”
https://therealnews.com/stories/lula-da-silvas-second-conviction-another-travesty-of-justice
“Brazilian Justice Minister Sergio Moro was chosen as one of the fifty personalities of the decade by the Financial Times.”
Dec 30th, 2019 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What a daring choice for the Financial Times, to award a man who may one day be indicted as one of the most sinister characters that ever roamed the Latin American scene. Of course, Moro is going to be a darling to the extent his work allowed neo-fascist Jair Bolsonaro to become Brazil's president while taking favourite candidate Lula Da Silva -- a dangerous leftist in the US establishment's archaic conception -- out of the presidential race.
Even during the period he was supposedly prosecuting corruption, Moro was selective as to whom he wanted to prosecute and whom he wanted to spare.
The blatant cherry on the cake was the prize Bolsonaro gave Moro in recognition for his help getting him to power, that is, the Justice ministry.
Such prize will, in time reveal its poison and Moro will eventually be accountable for the damage he's made possible in Brazil.
EM
Dec 30th, 2019 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It's not a daring choice. The list is of people who shaped the decade, it's not an endorsement of their actions. You can't deny Moro deserves his place on that basis, and considering it also contains Putin, Erdogan, the Koch brothers and Mohammed bin Salman, Moro is hardly the most objectionable.
DT
Dec 31st, 2019 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse -3“Moro is hardly the most objectionable” in your humble opinion, he stands revealed as a proxy for US interests. Who has prevented the largest democracy in SA from electing their most popular candidate. You can just cuddle up to just another wrong doer, like the previous poor choices you have made.
Yes, I think actual murderers are more objectionable than Moro. Only an idiot like Terry would argue with this.
Dec 31st, 2019 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse -1DT
Dec 31st, 2019 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse -2So the qualification for endorsing Moro is there are worse people than him. It begs the question, what is so wrong with you that cannot find one decent human being to endorse. Its perfectly clear you are so lacking in principles, that you can only find solace in like minded people.
What part of “it's not an endorsement” don't you understand?
Dec 31st, 2019 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse -1DT
Dec 31st, 2019 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Moro is hardly the most objectionable ... it's not an endorsement” Oh yes it is, what part don't you understand?
“endorsement noun 1 an act of giving one's public approval or support to someone or something.”
Since you do not condemn one who is shown clearly in public record of continuing the most egregious behavior that any judge can commit, by conspiring with prosecutors against Lula.
You have worse reading comprehension than a demented turkey.
Dec 31st, 2019 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1And if you think that's the worst thing a judge can do, you're pathetically naive.
DT
Dec 31st, 2019 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you think that's the worst thing a judge can do” Your long on wind, and without any factual support. Otherwise you be able to provide evidence, so I say again, at present Morow is the most corrupt judge in modern history.
TH
Dec 31st, 2019 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“JB
“Despite lack of proof to back their claims” Oh yeah, well you can't prove your claim”.
Isn't it usually those who accuse that need to prove their claims ? Ah, of course not, now I get it....when the stupid petistas accuse, no proof is needed....right, numbnuts ? ....tut,tut, contradicting yourself yet once again...
Therefore, neither I, nor Moro, need to prove anything.....his accusers do.
Looks like the only thing left for you to do, along with your petista pals, is to keep up the demented, frustrated attacks on Moro, despite not being able to prove even one iota.
By your statement ”No judge in any civilized nation would act (in the way Judge Moro has)“, it is clear you have inverted values....you should have said ”No president (now disgraced ex-president) in any civilized nation would act in the way the '9-fingered toad' has).
Just fyi, he was recently condemned - for the 2nd time (the “sítio”), and not by Moro - 'n there are still another 6 federal cases against him ; looks bad...who's he going to accuse of political persecution, now ?
You live out of reality, a degenerative disease no amount of meds can fix... enjoy the rest of your days in your mother's cellar, as a bitter, frustrated little man.
DT
Wish you all the best for a successful 2020.....sounds like it reserves good surprises.
Seems Reekie carries on living out in the sticks and out of reality....commenting on subjects he doesn't fully grasp....told him more than once, to stick to what he has a plausible claim of understanding - Argentina...which, I presume, he thinks is now in capable hands and in ONE year (which if not mistaken was the time he gave Macri to turn things around), will be surfing on progress and world credibility.....if it isn't, am sure he'll find some excuse to pardon the Fernandez couple.
You've no idea how satisfying it was to not see the silly comments of some posters, as unfortunately, looks like they've retreated even further into their little worlds of fantasy
Jack Bauer aka Proof-less and Truth-less
Dec 31st, 2019 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -1“Isn't it usually those who accuse that need to prove their claims”
Have posted my proofs, and shown you yet again as a consumate liar.
https://en.mercopress.com/2019/12/30/ex-judge-moro-chosen-as-one-of-the-decade-s-personalities-by-the-financial-times/comments#comment505838
Lula till recently never really knew how corrupt the legal system is Brazil, or realised how complicit they were to US interests. As my link shows that connection, and the prima facia treason of Moro.
Happy new year, JB!
Jan 01st, 2020 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0DT
Jan 03rd, 2020 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -1Same to you !
Poor ole TH.....still believes in Lula.....and in fairies....proof he lives in 'Neverland”.
He's not worthwhile wasting time on.
JB
Jan 03rd, 2020 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Still believes in Lula..” If he wouldn't have been convicted in US or Europe, then there is no evidence. So I rely on the facts, and these are the following.
”The extent of the corruption is shocking,“ Sullivan says. ”It's the worst misconduct we've seen in a generation by prosecutors at the Department of Justice.“
https://www.npr.org/2012/03/15/148687717/report-prosecutors-hid-evidence-in-ted-stevens-case
(Identical to the claim against Lula.)
“Moro built the case with support from the U.S. DOJ. They used DOJ tactics, basing the entire conviction on one plea bargain, as the DOJ did against Senator Ted Stevens in 2009, Alaska, in a case that was also overthrown later. .”
TH
Jan 03rd, 2020 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1You rely on facts ? No, you rely on your 'version' of the truth, which is not the same...but by all means, if it makes you happy in your dingy cellar, keep on dreaming...
JB
Jan 03rd, 2020 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You rely on facts ?” Yes, as those facts are properly cited, and you are unable to refute them.
“You are entitled to your own opinion , but not to your own facts” Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
Originality was never your strong point was it?
TH
Jan 04th, 2020 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -1when it comes down to the truth, you've got a point.....the truth is only one, and does not depend on originality.....like your 'original distorted versions' of it..
Jack Bauer Proof less & Truth less
Jan 04th, 2020 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The truth is only one” That is the one with the citations of skilled professionals whereas people like you whose opinion is proven counter to truth. Are shown for their glory.
“I have an 'opinion’. You certainly have Ollie, absolute support for fascism. But, what you never ever have is any prerequisite proof of any of your claims.
Brazil's corruption scandals reach Lula da Silva: ...
12 Jack Bauer; “..'Military dictatorship', ..history is showing,.. that it was good for Brazil
http://en .mercopress.com/2015/07/17/brazil-s-corruption-scandals-reach-lula-da-silva-probe-into-influence-peddling/comments#comment406602
Brazil supportive of Mercosur ...
14 Jack Bauer; ”.....but there is still one thing that can save Brazil...the Military..
Brazil waiting for 50bn dollars …
50 Jack Bauer; “Military taking over again, ….. they did it to prevent Brazil from being handed over to the communists. ... the Military , I hope, would be there again to save Brazil
Brazil remembers the 50th anniversary of the coupe…
15 Jack Bauer; “..Am pretty sure that military are accompanying all this … I hope they DO take over...”
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/03/31/brazil-remembers-the-50th-anniversary-of-the-coup-that-led-to-21-years-of-military-rule/comments#comment318071
Your 'originality' shines through your BS.....some things never change, such as you, when you realize you've lost the argument, you change the subject...
Jan 04th, 2020 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -1In 2020, your mediocrity will carry on being your strong point.
Jack Bauer Proof less & Truth less
Jan 04th, 2020 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“when you realize you've lost the argument” Give your head a shake I have given a source for my facts, while all you rely on is your opinion. Why'll I've shown the veracity of your opinions, which are totally coloured by your reactionary bias.
Lol, guess I needn't be embarrassed about replying to the idiot after all.
Jan 04th, 2020 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse -1How's things in SP, JB? We have just moved to a bigger house in the country, and haven't quite finished unpacking yet.
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Jan 04th, 2020 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your cuddle buddy is back, birds of feather flock together.
Jack Bauer Proof less & Truth less
Just to remind you of your well deserved reputation as the biggest liar on this site.
http://en. mercopress.com/2018/04/04/brazil-s-conundrum-army-chief-twits-good-citizens-repudiate-impunity-and-respect-the-constitution/comments#comment486481
http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/12/brazil-former-president-lula-da-silva-found-guilty-of-corruption/comments#comment470714
http://en. mercopress.com/2017/07/20/ex-brazilian-president-assets-and-bank-accounts-frozen/comments#comment471145
http://en. mercopress.com/2018/03/20/lula-begins-tour-of-south-brazil-and-meets-mujica-but-it-was-a-bad-day-for-both-leaders/comments#comment485779
http://en. mercopress.com/2018/11/22/brazil-s-secret-dealings-to-contract-cuban-physicians-to-work-in-the-more-doctors-program/comments#comment495051
TH
Jan 05th, 2020 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can believe whatever you want....even if it's all bs...
DT
Looks like Gollum is jealous.....poor, slimy little creature, who roams his mother's cellar as if it were his empire, looking for things that crawl in the dark, for a meal.
SP is doing just fine I reckon. So am I. Currently were are starting the rainy season, which is good to guarantee the level of the water reservoirs through winter.
Congratulations on your move...bought or renting ? if you purchased it, suppose you finally plunged in, and decided to face the risk....remember your doubts some months ago ? In which county is it ?
Good luck !
Jack Bauer Proof less & Truth less
Jan 05th, 2020 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can believe all I prove, while we can discount all you opine, since it has all been proved bogus.
Aha! Back to your old 'transference' game. Where your own disturbed hostile feminine fantasies are revealed to all.
psychological transference
transference [trans-fer´ens]
“in psychiatry, the unconscious tendency of a patient to assign to others in the present environment feelings and attitudes associated with significant persons in one's earlier life”
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
Another is your use of term Gollum, which is an exact imitation of what you do on this site.
The real Gollum is a ”pathetic creature(that) lurks in the dark” and we all know who does that, loser.
https://www. thetoptens.com/most-famous-tolkien-characters/
JB
Jan 06th, 2020 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse -1Ugh, I hope Brazil can take some of our rain. Seems to have hardly stopped for months, we had floods in Autumn and the ground is so saturated now that there's standing water every time it rains. The weather's been really crazy the last few years.
And yes, we finally found a house we liked and took the plunge. It's in Lincolnshire, not the perfect location but not too bad. It's been a bit crazy with all the packing and unpacking; it's astonishing just how much stuff accumulates over the years. The new house is much bigger and has a large garden too, which is hard to find in the UK. We've mostly settled in now, getting used to living in the countryside. It's not that I'm not worried about the cost, but you can't just put your life on hold, and need to compromise sometimes.
Terry's been just as bad in your absence. Usually I try to ignore him but his hypocrisy was annoying me. The latest from this supposed fan of legalities and respecter of experts was to claim the ICJ is not in compliance with the rule of law. Gollum truly believes his qualifications in toilet hygiene and his internet 'research' means he knows better than 12 international legal experts!
DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
Jan 06th, 2020 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a really primitive troll, One more that infests this forum........then I suppose the other ones must be you and your mate. judging by all the droppings you leave around this must be the internet cave you all live in.
There is nothing to discus about the Brazilian justice system as its in complete compliance with the USDJ wishes. Since the case against Lula is the mirror of the discredited case against Senator Ted Stevens.
“The ICJ is not in compliance with the rule of law” They clearly are not, since the claim is barred under the established premise of international law of 'extinctive prescription'.
But all is well as your amoral cuddle chum is back, a man is known by the company he keeps.
DT
Jan 06th, 2020 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The logistics of moving can be a pain in the neck, but nevertheless, a move to a new place can be a good opportunity to declutter and get a new, refreshing start. Now you'll be able to cut a lot of grass, plant your own vegetables...think you'll get accustomed to your new surroundings in no time...
Yeah, Gollum ain't gonna change....his self-proclaimed legal expertise in Brazilian (and international) law - despite never have studied, far less practiced it, is surreal....he always claims that the toad would not have been convicted in either the USA or Europe, and that there is no evidence (?), despite the fact there is tons of hard proof - e-mails, hand-written notes, photos, humungous payments in cash, bank statements, and last but not least, the testimony of many who helped him in his criminal career.... and in the USA or Europe, a piece of shite like the toad would never have been elected....unless most of the electorate were as dumb and as illiterate as he is.
TH can insist all he wants, however his pseudo qualifications won`t change reality one iota.
Just fyi, not sure if MP has already reported on it, but the toad`s illustrious son, who progressed from poop cleaner at the zoo, to millionaire business man in just a couple of years - after daddy became president - is being investigated, and foreign bank accounts have been found, with suspicious movement that indicates (for the time being) that the “sitio” was bought by the toad`s son, using his partner, Suassuna, as front man, with daddy`s illegal gains.
Gollum insists that the “Brazilian justice system is in complete compliance with the USDJ wishes” but it`s wishful thinking....the investigation against the toad started end 2014, under Dumbo Dilma, and who was president of the USA, who presumably controlled the USDJ, at the time ? BO, who thought the toad, was “the man”.....TH continues to contradict himself....so hilarious.
Jack Bauer Proof less & Truth less
Jan 06th, 2020 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The investigation against the Lula started end 2014” Thats another of your lies as following proves, oops shot yourself in the foot again as always.
He(Moro) just can't avoid being an American puppet, can he?
”The disclosure of leaked (US)state department cables which showed US collaboration with Lava Jato judge/prosecutor Sergio Moro since 2009“
http://w ww.brasilwire.com/us-admits-role-operation-lava-jato/
”TH continues to contradict himself...” So your claim is like every other one you make, an absolutely unsupported lie.
I wish we'd decluttered before moving, but I just couldn't face it. Will have to go through things gradually. We have a lot more grass now, but it's flat (hooray) and we've bought a second-hand ride-on mower to cut it once spring arrives. I doubt I'll have much time for gardening this year, but definitely intending to grow vegetables in the future.
Jan 06th, 2020 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“he always claims that the toad would not have been convicted in either the USA or Europe”
Which is dumb as hell, considering he also has an interest in miscarriage of justice cases in America. Even if he truly believes Lula isn't guilty, he knows damn well innocent people have been convicted in all those countries. Not to mention he believes Moro is working for the USDJ but thinks the latter can't put people away in their own country?
I had not heard about Lula's son, but I'm not too surprised. Nor was I surprised that Lula got out of jail in November, and I don't believe Temer is going to see any significant jail time. It's very hard for the justice system to deal with powerful people. But as for Obama, he was President, not dictator, and wouldn't have knowledge or control of everything. Signing off on helping Brazil with anti-corruption investigations seems innocent enough.
TH
Jan 06th, 2020 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The Lavajato only indicted Lula in mid 2016, but his connection to corruption in PB had already been under investigation for quite some time by then....the investigation was thorough and took time to collect all the evidence.
”The disclosure of leaked (US)state department cables which showed US collaboration with Lava Jato judge/prosecutor Sergio Moro since 2009”
Numbnuts, wherever did you find that crap ? Just fyi, the Lavajato investigation was only launched officially in March 2014.......before which, obviously, Moro couldn't have had anything to do do with such an investigation which did not yet exist ; In 2012, he was one of Rosa Weber's (STF) assistant-judges, in the “mensalão” investigation, and she recruited him due to his specialization in combating financial crimes and money laundering.....as usual, you weren't, and still aren't aware of many (significant) details.
Thus your incorrect information, selected from shitty leftist sites, such as 'brasilwire'...
Proving you wrong is as easy as taking candy from a baby...
Maybe the US was supposed to have been collaborating with Moro on earlier cases, before the Lava Jato started?
Jan 06th, 2020 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I replied to you above, by the way.
JB
Jan 06th, 2020 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Where did you find that” By research, unlike you who cannot independently substantiate anything you claim; mine has an accompanying citation.
Moro has been a proxy of US interests since 2009.
”Presumption of innocence could not be regarded as an ‘absolute’,(Moro) he declared: it was merely a ‘pragmatic instrument’ that could be over-ridden at the will of the magistrate. Leaks to the media he celebrated as a form of ‘pressure’ on defendants, where ‘legitimate aims cannot be achieved by other methods.’
Crisis in Brazil. Perry Anderson
https: //www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n08/perry-anderson/crisis-in-brazil
”However, recent revelations spearheaded by The Intercept and journalist Glenn Greenwald have shaken the foundations of Brazilian politics, revealing an investigation and a judge who regularly engaged in illegal and unethical practices in order to get results – often for partisan political reasons. The Intercept and its media partners in Brazil, the Folha de São Paulo newspaper and journalist Reinaldo Azevedo have shown numerous examples of Moro suggesting lines of argument and investigation to prosecutors; evidence that the judge directed Dallagnol to remove a prosecutor from the Lula case he thought was weak; Further revelations include the facts that prosecutors criticised Moro for his willingness to rely on dubious methods in pursuit of his goals and for agreeing to be Bolsonaro’s justice minister months before the election. Lava Jato prosecutors also pressurised the key witness against Lula to change his story in order to implicate Lula, in a case they acknowledged to be weak. Lava Jato’s most enduring legacy … it was Moro – a partisan right-wing figure with messianic delusions, willing to do away with the rule of law in pursuit of his goals – who played the key role in putting him( Bolsonaro)there.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brazil-sergio-moro-corruption-lato-javo-bolsonaro-the-intercept-glenn-greenwald-a8982486.html
DT
Jan 06th, 2020 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -1TH just blows a lot of hot air, worships brasilwire, the Intercept, and any shit they publish, believes in conspiracy theories against his corrupt hero, but it makes no difference to me.
Out of respect for you, I'm only going to say that the notion Moro had anything to do with Lula before the mensalão scandal (judged exclusively by the STF in 2012), or, that he ever served US interests, is a-b-s-u-r-d.
What I'm getting at is that upto 2012, the Brazilian Justice system hardly ever indicted anyone for corruption (although rampant), far less put anyone away, and that it is extremely UNlikely that BO (as “president” of the US) would not have had sufficient influence in the USDJ, to block any under-the-counter cooperation requested from Brazil that might expose Lula. After all, in BO's eyes, he was the 'man'.
Anything to the contrary, without indisputable proof, is mere speculation by those who wish to defend Lula at any cost.
As far as the STF's role in letting Lula out of jail goes, it was only possible due to the fact the leftist faction in the court decided to invent unheard-of legislation (until then), applicable retroactively, making the trial procedure irregular if the defendant had not been allowed to speak AFTER the whistleblowers (just as much criminals as the defendant)...AND, backtracking on jurisprudence confirmed twice (in 2016 and 2018) by the same judges, whereby they overturned jailtime after conviction in a collegiate lower court (TRF-4).
The 1988 Constitution stated jailtime should start after conviction in Collegiate court, which was overturned by Congress in 2009 (when the 'mensalão' investigation was underway and politicians were shitting their pants); 'n again reinstated in 2016, and reconfirmed in 2018.
In other words, change jurisprudence every time it suits you.
But I'm going to stop here, as I have no desire to embark on all this Lula shit once again....I've had my fill of the toad and the PT for a lifetime.
It's perfectly reasonable for the USDJ to
Jan 06th, 2020 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1support/collaborate with Moro to try and clear up corruption in Brazil - nothing sinister about that. And maybe that was all any of them wanted. But it was also rather predictable, even back in 2009, that the trail would eventually lead to the people at the top: major figures in the PT, including possibly Lula. Did *you* believe he was squeaky clean back then?
AIUI, there were several cases/attempts to investigate and prosecute corruption in different courts and by different judges and prosecutors, but Curitiba is the one that actually went somewhere. So it's plausible to me that the team were getting support from from the US. Plea bargains were never used in Brazil before, but they're extremely common in America. Who better to get advice from?
As for the STF releasing Lula (and others), it's obvious the law bends to the powerful. And with so many involved it's better to let out a rival than risk their own necks.
JB
Jan 07th, 2020 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“TH just blows a lot of hot air” In your obviously pro facist biased opinion. You are unable to produce any thing that refutes the facts I have presented. That Moro conspired with the prosecution to convict Lula, thanks for the confirmation.
While you have no credibility as your own words expose you as a supporter of a dictatorship.
While another posting of mine reveals your litany of lies, so on your bike, loser.
DT
“It's perfectly reasonable for the USDJ” Not when when the prosecution mimics the same discredited issues brought against Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.
DT
Jan 07th, 2020 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That Moro, or other judges involved with Lavajato cases may have requested information from the USDJ, or probably even did, as they asked the Swiss authorities to cooperate in the case of Odebrecht's secret server, is normal....nothing sinister about that. Nor illegal.
Back in 2009, while the 'mensalão ' scandal was being investigated - no one had even been indicted yet (believe plea-bargains had not even been implemented yet) - very unlikely anyone outside the inner circle of the PT's criminal organization was aware of the plan to plunder PB....although if the possibility of them plundering (other) State-run companies had been raised, only a fool would not believe it possible.
But in 2009, Moro, as a judge - not a prosecutor - was not involved in any high-profile corruption cases, so the chances of any cooperation with the USDJ, or others, was virtually nihil.
Besides in 2009, 2nd to last year of his 2nd term, Lula was at his height of popularity (despite the 'mensalão', which forced him to connive with Temer to get off the hook - and avoid impeachment), had his men in all key positions within the executive, legislative and judiciary branches, and felt as safe as a new-born baby....all accusations were simply thrown out when presented to a judge.
Did I believe Lula was squeaky clean, in 2009 ? NEVER. I knew he was corrupt as far back as 1972/73 (when I was at Ford).
The Lavajato, afaik, only involved the US, in that it couldn't be avoided when US investors decided to sue PB for 'unreasonable' losses due to corruption.
The bottom line is, while Gollum attempts to make any cooperation with the US sound illegal, it is in fact, a very common practice when the criminal organization has international ramifications.
DT, as I mentioned above, I have no desire to keep hashing through the same old issues....let's drop it please...everyone will believe what they want.....and that depends on how biased their sources are.
Nice and sunny in SP, am off to the gym...
JB
Jan 07th, 2020 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Any cooperation with the US sound illegal” In answer to your not borne out claim. Lets see an 'outed' corrupt judge who oversaw Lula's trial that mimicked the same unsupported assertions that had been used in the corrupt prosecution of Senator Ted Stevens. “Moro built the case with support from the USDOJ. They used DOJ tactics, basing the entire conviction on one plea bargain, as the DOJ did against Senator Ted Stevens in 2009, Alaska, in a case that was also overthrown later. ... They were unable to prove that Lula owned the property”
Happy to see that Terry Tinkerbell is so upset with Moro.....and that Federal Police are finding out where the cash to buy the “sitio” really came from....poor Gollum.
Jan 07th, 2020 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB
Jan 07th, 2020 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“That Federal Police are finding out where the cash to buy the “sitio” really came from.” Thats easy from the friendly USDoJ.
“let's drop it please”
Jan 07th, 2020 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure. Bit silly to talk about Moro anyway when everyone on twitter is going on about WWIII.
I'm going to Yorkshire for a long weekend tomorrow evening. Not the most exciting location but should break up the monotony.
DT
Jan 08th, 2020 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm looking forward to a year better than the last.....things here are looking up, despite the mainstream media's negative tilt on almost everything....exaggerating and pounding away on the not so good, omitting, or downplaying the good...dedicating 10 minutes to the shite and 10 secs to the good things......such as, the industrial production is up 3 % in 2019 in comparison to 2018, BUT it is still below the “bla-bla-bla”....Now, there is always a BUT....I know it's hard for them to admit things are improving, after their campaign to throw shit at B as often as they can (their revenge) ...a lot of it stuck, sometimes due to his own fault, or that of his 3 loudmouth sons, who beed to learn their place, and not speak for the President.
But all in all, people's confidence in the economy is increasing and this is highly positive.
But no use getting over-confident....need to take step by step, following the indicators.
Enjoy Yorkshire....what is there to do there ? anything special ?
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