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Filmus reaffirms before C24, Argentina's legitimate rights over the Falklands

Friday, January 24th 2020 - 09:34 UTC
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The Argentine foreign ministry reported that on Thursday it had reaffirmed before UN Decolonization Committee, C24, the country's 'legitimate rights' over the South Atlantic Islands and surrounding maritime spaces, and called on the United Kingdom to resume negotiations for a peaceful solution to the dispute. Read full article

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  • Brit Bob

    Ah the little C24 Committee.

    What did the big committee say?

    Motion supported by Spain and Argentina to restrict Self-Determination where there was a sovereignty dispute. In regard to this, on 20 October 2008 the United Nations General Assembly rejected a motion supported by Spain and Argentina by 61 votes to 40 to place restrictions on the right to self-determination where there was a sovereignty dispute, determining that it was a fundamental right. (UN Fourth Committee Approved Text on Non-Self-Governing Territories, GA/SPD/406, 20 Oct 2008).

    Ah the world had moved on since 1965 but it seems that Narnia hasn't.

    PS - Nice work if you can get it.

    Jan 24th, 2020 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Roger Lorton

    Business as usual. Nothing to see here.

    Jan 24th, 2020 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Livingthedream

    Why do backward countries insist on 19 century politics?

    Jan 24th, 2020 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • RMN

    It never ceases to amaze me how a country wishing to take over another feels that a “decolonisation” committee is the place to argue the case to. how would Argentinian control of the Islands be any different or more legitimate than the UK doing so? Apart from the issue of the Island's population being overwhelmingly in favour of the latter and against the former. I don't suppose more talk of oil has a part in this???

    Jan 24th, 2020 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Guillote

    understand your point of view and share in part but this has nothing to do with oil, I'm sorry if you don't understand.and i am sorry, i think that the islands are not a country. and when you go to c24 it is because nothing else listen to you lo digo de forma respetuosa

    Jan 25th, 2020 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Roger Lorton

    A person's country can be whatever he or she wishes it to be Gullible. The Falklanders only go to the C24 because Argentina does. It is Argentina that is lacking in serious forums.

    Jan 25th, 2020 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Pugol-H

    RMN
    Also with Bolivia, Chile, Cuba, Ecuador, Nicaragua, and Venezuela on the committee, not to mention Syria, Russia, India, China and Iran, they don’t have to worry about the actual rights and wrongs of the issue, never mind the truth.

    They regard the Islands population as “implanted” and therefore with no right to self-determination, unlike Argentina where of course they are all “natives”.

    In pretty much any other international forum they would be at best laughed at.

    They need control of the Falklands, S. Georgia and S. Sandwich islands to beef up their woefully inadequate Antarctic claim.

    Legitimacy is not in their vocabulary, it’s an alien concept.

    Jan 25th, 2020 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +7
  • Guillote

    I respectfully say in which forum they listen to them, where they consider them a country, only where they consider them a colony and I say it respectfully.
    RL my name is Guillermo and my nick guillote.

    Jan 26th, 2020 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Islander1

    Guillote,
    Can you advise what do you think is the difference between a country and a colony?

    To me Colony is where one state/nation/country - moves into a place and rules over the other without the full democratically expressed wished of the people of that place.

    Lots of nations used to do it- Spain-Britain-Portugal-France-Italy-Holland-Belgium-Germany etc!
    But the world has modernised and moved on from those days of Colonial Smash and Grab.


    Most of the world- UK included - goes by the UN Charter and Principles of self determination and the right of a people of a place to determine freely their own wished political future.

    All Argentina has ever done as regards the Falklands is say it will take our “interests” into account etc and respect them!!
    “Interests” - Many a Dictator has decided peoples “Interests” for them!!

    Jan 26th, 2020 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Pugol-H

    Guillote
    The UN calls them a “non self-governing territory” and the UN charter & De-colonisation declaration UNGA Res 1514 gives them the right to self-determination, free from outside interference.

    Argentina calling them a “Colony” is another attempt to strip them of their rights. De-humanise them so it’s alright to mistreat them.

    Whatever Argentina calls them, they are on the UN list of territories that have the right to decide their own futures.

    Until Argentina recognises the Islanders rights, there is very little to discuss.

    Jan 26th, 2020 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Guillote

    It is not my intention to discuss, just to give my point of view. and sometimes when people like RL appear it is difficult.
    Argentina is wrong about you on several issues I have no doubt.
    Now if you see the history of South America (some islanders say they are more South African than South American) for me it goes through the 19th century when the people were becoming independent, which was not easy because there were no countries and suddenly UK appears and says this belongs to the British crown. there were wars at that time and countries arose. if it had not looked like uk at that time they would be a great country like Uruguay today. and I know many Uruguayans who live in bsas.
    difference between colony and country?
    Could you decide to be chinese or Russian?
    I really ask
    Perdon por lo largo de mi texto pero veo gente que quiere hablar

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Suddenly, Gullible?

    England said the Falklands belonged to it from 1594.Long before any Spanish colony revolted. Long before the UP declared its independence in 1816. Even longer before Argentina became a State in the 1860s.

    Britain did not 'suddenly appear' in 1833, Gullible. Buenos Aires was warned in 1829. Warned for a second time in 1832. Two written warnings before legally ejecting trespassers is not 'suddenly appearing.'

    Buenos Aires knew that Britain had a claim when it said nothing about the Falklands to the British envoy in 1824. BA knew that Britain had a claim when it ignored Vernet's calls for assistance in 1830 and 1831.

    There was nothing sudden about any of it.

    You can give your point of view, but do not expect it to be accepted without argument.

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Guillote

    Self-proclaimed historian, it is not difficult, even for someone as limited as you understand my name is Guillermo and my nick guillote. If you doesn't give you the head to understand that, the rest you say is pure trash

    Y no quiero ser mal educado , pero este “historiador famoso” deberia por lo menos referirse a mi como guillote

    buenas noches

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    One man can have many nicks, Gullible. Or would you prefer William?

    And I am not a self-proclaimed historian. I am a self-proclaimed, qualified, researcher.

    The rest is trash? Please attempt to disprove any of it.

    ;-)

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Guillote

    My name is Guillermo and my nick is clearly guillote. and you don't need to do a lot of historical research because i tells you several times. and the self-proclaimed investigator continues without telling me guillote or guillermo

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    Nicknames are given. While they can be adopted, they cannot be chosen. You are Gullible.

    ;-)

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pugol-H

    RL
    No reason to deliberately wind the man up, after all he is only putting his point of view, courteously and with respect. Perhaps some manners in return might not go amiss!

    Guillote
    The British have a completely different version of history compared to Argentina. Also a completely different interpretation/understanding of international law in today.

    Argentina claims Britain suddenly arrived in 1833 and stole the islands.

    As far as the British are concerned, the Islands have been British since long before Argentina existed in any form and long before the Spanish even knew the Islands were there.

    As far as the British are concerned Argentina has no valid historical claims to anything in the S. Atlantic region.

    In today, the Islanders rights are enshrined in the UN Charter as I said above.

    lo digo de forma respetuosa

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Pipino

    Implanted pirate kelpers should remember the imprescriptible right of Over-the-Waters to be crybabies when it comes to nicknames.

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    PH Elsewhere, this particular person thought it was amusing to try and make something out of my country of residence and politics vis-a-vis Europe. As with most Argies, he likes to give but cannot take.

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Swede

    The new government in Argentina uses more of the Argentine taxpayer's money to promote the claim and making propaganda. But they will of course achieve nothing substantial. They should use that money in a better way.

    Jan 27th, 2020 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Guillote

    pugol-H

    I really respect your good education and I think it's mutual.
    What I wanted to say is that these issues were resolved in the 19th century and it has to do with Uruguay and the terrible and bloody war against Paraguay.

    and today in bsas I know many Uruguayans and Paraguayans, but I imagine that this has been over 100 years.

    But between Roger Lorton (I guess he agrees with the bullying) and others who can only attack, I end up here

    be happy

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Roger Lorton

    I attack, when attacked Gullible. You question my country of residence and politics, then I will view that as personal and bite back. Remember it.

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    RL
    That's why you're annoyed with him? But you do live in Thailand and you did campaign for Brexit.

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    The implications being? The relevance to the Falklands being?

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    If you think there's nothing wrong then why do you care if someone points it out? Bit over sensitive.

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    Perhaps. I receive quite a few snide remarks across the forums, particularly in relation to where I live. And it was repeatedly pointed out without any response when I questioned the relevance. If he is sensitive about a name, then tough. He would not survive here long anyway. You won't be expecting me to be sympathetic now, would you ;-)

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • DemonTree

    Meh, that's nothing compared to the shit Enrique gets for daring to have an opinion on Argie politics while living in Canada.

    Guillote could always give you a nickname too. I suggest he look up the slang meaning of 'Roger'. ;)

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Roger Lorton

    Over the years I have had a few, usually based upon the rhyming slang. Still called 'Dodge' by a few friends. However, I am sure that a few people I encountered took up your suggestion and referred to me as - “That f*cker”.

    Now, MoreCrap has never complained about his name :-)

    Jan 28th, 2020 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Oh yeah, Think used to call you Roger the Dodger. Were those people who took up my suggestion the ones you were arresting, by any chance?

    Jan 29th, 2020 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Roger Lorton

    Mostly. That said, getting arrested didn't always involve a confrontation. I recall one fella was just about to start his Sunday lunch when I knocked at his door. I told him to hand himself in when he'd finished. He did ;-)

    Jan 29th, 2020 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Lol, that was nice of you. What had he done?

    Jan 29th, 2020 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    That must have been 1978. Damned if I can remember LOL Obviously nothing too bad.

    Jan 29th, 2020 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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