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Covid-19 pandemic: Brazilians have greater trust in the Health than in president Bolsonaro

Saturday, April 4th 2020 - 08:30 UTC
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Brazilians feeling frustrated with president Jair Bolsonaro are turning to another voice for guidance and reassurance. Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta has emerged from relative obscurity with technocratic daily briefings presenting the latest science, stressing the need for social distancing measures and earning praise from across the political spectrum. Read full article

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  • DemonTree

    “In Mandetta we trust”, according to the wife of Justice Minister Moro. Perhaps she reads the Intercept?

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Which is only normal....a doctor, not a politician leading the Health Ministry.
    Afaic, Mandetta's doing a good job...of course he couldn't do it without Guedes' help, to provide money to fight against the virus, but Bolsonaro should leave him alone and shut up...every time a Minister is performing well and gains public support, Bolsonaro inexplicably (...not really...) feels the urge to try to clip their wings....he should realize that their success reflects positively on himself.

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Good to see your post! I hope all is well with those you care for.

    I think Bolsonaro is just frustrated about the destruction of our economies. Few political leaders were prepared to confront this crisis.

    It troubles all of us with the widespread deaths, but the economic depression we're facing now will destroy the lives of millions.

    Many of my friends are financially insolvent and unemployment is soaring to historic numbers. This is scary...

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Yeah, I was starting to wonder if you were okay, JB.

    Bolsonaro should remember that unlike Trump he still has a few years until the next election, better to follow the experts in dealing with the pandemic and try to rebuild the economy afterwards. And agree his jealousy over his ministers is not helping him.

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Exactly! But in fairness, there is still a lot of conflicting information that has confused even the top health experts. China's misinformation and uncertain mortality projections have been challenging.

    Bolsonaro has the welfare of over 200 million people on his shoulders.

    ¡Salud!

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Lockdowns don’t really deal with the pandemic, they just slow it down to a rate your health services can cope with, so basically you don’t get more serious patients than you have ventilators. You hope.

    Without a vaccine it is difficult to see an exit strategy that does not lead to large numbers of deaths, on an ongoing basis.

    Unless a high enough percentage of your population has gained immunity (which cannot happen during a lockdown), it will simply start all over again. As China is finding out, Guangdong being only one of 20+ provinces in China where even there most of the population probably still don’t have any immunity.

    Assuming of course you get immunity, which is probable but not yet proven.

    Lockdowns notwithstanding, this is going to run and run, I fear we have yet to reach the end of the beginning of this thing.

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H

    Agree with your assumptions and there are both promising treatments and vaccines on the horizon, but our Latin American economies cannot sustain this crisis much longer.

    ¡Salud!

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo, DT, Pugol-H,
    Glad to inform that all's well with me 'n my family, and nice to know you are all surviving as well.
    Have been in total isolation since the 19th March, except for last Monday, when I went out for about 30 mins, to get my anual flu shot. The vaccination started on the 23rd, and the first phase, exclusively for old farts - like me - started with long queues, so I decided to wait. Few days later phoned the local health unit to find out how the queues were, so when they said the place was empty, took a walk ...and we were in and out in less than two mins.

    Regardless of B's rants about 'sniffles' - which he has toned down in the last few days - Luis Mandetta is doing a good job.
    While a virtually 100% lockdown seems the best solution at the moment - for at least those who can - people avoid contaminating others and/or being contaminated.
    Makes one wonder if the cure is worse than the disease.

    Trying to 'educate' 200 million people to do the right thing regarding hygiene, social distance and changing habits, ain't easy, and sure is frustrating to see a slight recovery in the economy go down the drain. Perhaps it will bounce back quicker than after the 2015 crisis, as the government is spending dozens of billions to ensure people don't go hungry, financing individuals whose income has all but vanished, and to keep small business from collapsing. And this is a problem most countries will face.

    Can't wait to see the curve flatten and be able to get back to a normal life, but the isolation has its benefits....am finally catching up with chores at home that I usually procrastinated.

    Main thing though, do what you have to and keep safe.

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    JB
    Glad to know you're okay, must be pretty dull being stuck in a condo for two weeks. The baby came early and she's home with us, which is a relief as no one wants to have to go into hospital right now, and they banned ALL visitors the day after we got out. It's a terrible risky time to be born, poor thing, and no family can visit or meet her. :(

    Forgot it's autumn where you are and thus coming into flu season, that's unfortunate. I know the UK gov were hoping the virus wouldn't spread as fast in summer, plus you'll be having seasonal flu at the same time as the epidemic. Getting the vaccine seems especially important in the circumstances. I hope they had everyone queue 2 metres apart at least - that's what the few shops still open are doing here. Only a few people can go in at once and everyone else forms a really long and spread out queue.

    The problem really is the (lack of) exit strategy, as Pugol-H said. If they lift the restrictions the virus can start spreading again, but they can't keep people cooped up and living on credit indefinitely. Probably should be looking at what South Korea and Taiwan have been doing, as a model to follow if and when the outbreak can be stopped. It's pretty scandalous how the WHO are ignoring Taiwan - like the situation with Argentina if Argentina was actually rich and powerful.

    As for B, he's being ridiculous to think his 'background as an athlete' is more important than his age, or the fact he was stabbed in the gut by a crazy person and had to go to hospital several times last year. Regardless of the best way to respond to the pandemic, it obviously isn't just a 'case of the sniffles'.

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    I've been reminded from this crisis the paramount importance of family and friends good health.

    Good to hear you're doing well! One delightful benefit of isolation is enjoying an unplanned romantic second honeymoon with “ma belle jeune mariée”...

    When the lockdown of Chile was announced, I immediately communicated to all our employees their income was assured through the remainder of this year.

    Unfortunately, some of my friends and acquaintances are facing insolvency. Attitude and perseverance is essential for all of us.

    It looks like Trump has placed a high-stakes wager on Hydroxychloroquine and it will be interesting to see how this affects the November election results.

    ¡Salud!

    Apr 04th, 2020 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Governments are at some point going to have to start easing lockdowns, as to when will probably depend on how wealthy the country is.

    As Chicureo says, many countries simply cannot sustain this for any length of time.

    Here they are saying a year for a vaccine and then some months to be able to produce the quantities required.

    The only real game changer I can see in the short term, is if you do gain immunity from having the virus and they perfect a simple test for the antibody.

    They are trialling some tests here at the moment and if successful talking about issuing people a certificate and lifting restriction for them if they test positive. With some 30%+ of the population here not showing any symptoms at all you could be talking about a sizable proportion of the population.

    Then you can start to release others, depending on how high risk they are, into to a “herd resistant” mobile population.

    Just to put some perspective on this, in a bad flu season (where they get it wrong and vaccinate for the wrong flu strain), we can typically lose 16-17,000 people.

    Anyway, glad to see you are all still alive and kicking and surviving lockdowns.

    Stay well Compadres.

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H

    Yes, I agree with your thoughts. There also seems to be another strain of the virus which is confounding experts.

    I assume from your comments you are a North American. (FYI in case you haven't surmised, Jack is Brazilian, DemonTree is British and I'm Chilean.)

    Outside of the United States, there are many international reports proposing the use of hydroxychloroquine.

    Two more examples:

    After a completed small medical trial in France — “The former French Minister of Health Philippe Douste-Blazy and signed by several medical personalities, including François Bricaire and Patrick Pelloux — a petition has been submitted to Prime Minister Edouard Philippe that doctors can prescribe more easily to patients of hydroxychloroquine faced with the Covid-19 epidemic.”

    ”In São Paulo, the Prevent network had 96 deaths from coronavirus until March 22, almost half of all deaths reported by the government of São Paulo. Today they have only one person in the ICU. Since Prevent adopted this protocol, it has not registered any more deaths from coronavirus. And the people who had a problem are those who entered this protocol late, already with advanced disease.
    Two important points in this protocol. The use of tomography to know when to apply the medication and the use of Hydroxychloroquine associated with Azithromycin and Zinc.
    Hydroxychloroquine should be administered at the very beginning of the disease, from the 2nd to the 4th day of the appearance of the first symptoms, such as fever, cough, runny nose and breathing more than 22 times per minute. People who manifest this condition should receive the medication at home. The drug is inexpensive and has few side effects.

    The Ministry of Health focuses on testing, which can be a mistake, due to the need to treat quickly. The test takes time without taking action; it is an obstacle disguised as treatment. The focus should be tomography, soon after suspicion (cough / fever), the doctor should use Hydroxychloroquine.”

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Actually I’m a Brit, of colonial descent, grew up as what the Americans call “a military brat”.

    I think it was you I told that I once lived near RAF/USAF Chicksands.

    You were there sometime after the Yanks had de-camped?

    Let us hope this virus isn’t able to mutate like flu, which would make this almost never ending.

    WHO have shied away from recommending use of hydroxychloroquine, so far?

    Not that we would have much stock of an anti-malarial drug here.

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H

    Sorry for the misassumption. Yes, I had naval reserve training at the HMS Ferret in Chicksands. Thanks for refreshing my poor memory and kudos for yours!

    ¡Saludos!

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo, DT, Pugol-H

    DT, Congratulations, you are a father ! get used to the idea of sleepless nights ‘n dirty diapers….“….dull being stuck in a condo for 2 weeks”…not really, there’s plenty to entertain myself. Knowing you shouldn’t go out, is what makes you want to…but, no stress ! Re supplies, just send a WhatsApp to the local grocery, or drugstore ‘n they deliver in 24 hours.

    Imo, B wants the best for Brazil, but his big mouth – ‘n that of his sons – is his biggest enemy. The press rarely, if at all, reports on the good being done - laws to reduce bureaucracy, to boost the economy; measures to help the needy during this ‘lockdown’- unless to criticize them ; completion of infrastructure projects (started /abandoned by previous administrations). It focuses on his rants ‘n blows them out of proportion.
    TBH, Lula said just as much crap, but he had a friendly press behind him. Now, temporarily free, he’s gone back to his old ways, criticizing ‘n knit-picking at everything. It is easy to sit back ‘n criticize.
    While B will never be a statesman, Lula still talks as if he were the solution to all evils…the recession he created, the virus etc…OK, enough of politics.

    Take a look at this interesting link :- https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    All the talk about climate - when 1st cases were reported - cold in the northern hemisphere, hot in the south, doesn’t appear to be conclusive, despite highest death rates in the north : Spain 266 per million, Italy 263, Belgium 125, France 116 ; S. Korea, Japan are exceptions, w/relatively low death rates…because of how they dealt with it, or less old people ?
    While in the southern hemisphere, Brazil 02, Australia 01 etc.

    Looks like population density, ‘n proportionately higher nbr of old people, play a big role, even considering the timeframe /stages after 1st cases in each country were reported.
    But the local media only focuses on the worst countries in the northern hemisphere.
    Wonder why ?

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Like Trump, Bolsonaro has a very antagonistic worldwide press and they have scoffed using hydroxychloroquine. I would appreciate your viewpoint, as it seems your President is adopting a Trump approach to the Pandemic.

    https://brasilsemmedo.com/dra-nise-e-a-batalha-para-salvar-o-brasil-do-virus/

    For my British friends on this thread, Doctor and scientist Nise Yamaguchi met with President Bolsonaro and proposed the adoption of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine throughout Brazil.

    She's an internationally renowned immunologist and cancerologist, a participant in scientific societies in Europe and the United States, a physician at Hospital Israelita Albert Einstein — the highest ranked hospital in Latin America. (The Portuguese article is worth translating.)

    Enjoying une seconde lune de miel pour isolement forcé on a beautiful Autumn evening with an outstanding, but young 2016 Viña Arboleda Carménère after a perfectly prepared Coq au vin.

    (Jack, I highly recommend this economical alternative to our favorites, 92% Carménère, 5% Syrah and 3% Mourvèdre - 14.0 %)

    ¡Salud!


    Post Script: Secure an emergency pack of diapers secretly hidden away for that inevitable midnight emergency are helpful for young fathers.

    Apr 05th, 2020 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Doctor and scientist Nise Yamaguchi met with President Bolsonaro and proposed the adoption of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine throughout Brazil.”
    “Hydroxychloroquine ... Here’s What You Need to Know
    ...But in those few days, a few people who began self medicating with the drugs in an effort to prevent COVID-19 have died, and others have been hospitalized. These tragedies have raised questions about the safety of the drug combo, and how valid they are as a possible solution to treating COVID-19.
    The excitement over the combination’s potential began with a small French study of people with the novel coronavirus. In those patients, the load of SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19, in their blood dropped after they received the medications, although their clinical symptoms didn’t change much.
    The combination Trump mentioned includes two drugs: azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine. Azithromycin is an antibiotic,”(Which will have no effect on a viral infection)
    ”Says Dr. Otto Yang, from the department of microbiology, immunology and molecular genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles. “We need to stop and act rationally based on facts rather than unsubstantiated hunches, even hunches that have some scientific rationale.”
    https://time.com/5808894/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo,
    Nise Yamaguchi's approach may be an effective remedy, despite caution warnings.
    Although Bolsonario referred to the COVID-19 as “the sniffles” a few days ago, he has now lowered the tone of his criticism against total isolation (obviously, for those who can afford to), as a form of slowing down the spreading, and to avoid overloading the health system....

    Your recommendation - 2016 Viña Arboleda Carménère - well noted

    Regarding Gollum's link, which states “But in those few days, a few people who began self medicating with the drugs in an effort to prevent COVID-19 have died, and others have been hospitalized”, quite true, but I don't think it tells the whole story.....how far gone were the patients when they started to administer hydroxychloroquine ? did they already have other debilitating diseases ?
    When you are on your last legs, and a potential lifesaver comes along, why not ?

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    JB
    “get used to the idea of sleepless nights ‘n dirty diapers”

    Yup. We barely have time to go out anywhere even if it was allowed. I hope they don't ban all  exercise out of the house though, it's people who don't follow the rules who are ruining it for everyone else.

    “just send a WhatsApp to the local grocery, or drugstore ‘n they deliver in 24 hours.”

    That's very advanced; round here delivery slots are like gold dust, capacity is completely overloaded and supermarkets are prioritising customers over 70. Plus they'd never let you order without signing up for an account and giving them all your data.

    As for B, rants are what he was known for before long becoming president; he's always been deliberately inflammatory to get attention so it's not surprising the press report what he says. It's a good thing the state governors are stepping up and introducing measures to slow the epidemic. Just a pity most governments didn't take it seriously until so late. If they had limited international travel earlier there would have been much more chance of keeping it contained. Now they've had to resort to much more draconian measures. It's possible Europe was more affected because it was winter here, but more likely due to the high amount of foreign travel compared to Latin America. But once it's in the country and has started spreading places like Brazil will be even worse off.

    Japan probably has the oldest population in the world, so that can't be why they were less affected. Maybe it's partly the habit of wearing masks and commonly taking measures to avoid spreading colds and flu, plus being more willing to follow government advice? But it seems to be ramping up there too, now.

    Here in the UK the Scottish health minister had to resign when it was discovered she'd made two visits to her second home after telling people to avoid unnecessary travel. These people think the laws don't apply to them.

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Gollum

    The — “few people who began self medicating ... have died” — you refer to was a misguided couple in Arizona ignorantly ingesting fish tank cleaner. (The Darwin Award was created for this sort of stupidity.)

    There are several treatments now being tried with initial success, but hydroxychloroquine is widely available, inexpensive and has been successfully used for treating malaria, arthritis and Lupus for decades with few minor side effects. (“...0.06% suffer severe diarrhea and stomach cramps after prolonged usage...” [US CDC info])

    Small medical trials in France, New York and Spain have been published that are very promising and although are not proper scientific clinical trials, they have convinced several world leaders to endorse its use.

    Hydroxychloroquine is NOT a cure for the Chinese virus, but instead an aid in dramatically reducing the symptoms. That is why the US FDA has approved for physicians to prescribe its use. (Also, why the treatment has been allowed in France, Belgium, Spain, India and Brazil...)

    Azithromycin is also prescribed because of treating the fungal infections related to use of the respirator and zinc has a proven affect on weakening the virus — and is why they are both used with hydroxychloroquine.

    I've never hidden my admiration for the American or Brazilian presidents and it's obvious you have expressed a complete utter dislike for the two, but I sincerely ask: is this perhaps a political reaction against the American President's endorsement of using it — simply really due to “Trump Derangement Syndrome”?

    Obviously Trump has taken a high stakes position by securing over 129 million doses of the controversial medicine in a national stockpile. I sympathize with gamblers because that's my profession as well.

    The real evil culprits of this Pandemic will eventually destroy themselves: https://youtu.be/3yXbDULnc8M

    ¡SALUD para todos!

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Hydroxychloroquine is NOT a cure for the Chinese virus, but instead an aid in dramatically reducing the symptoms. ...” No it does not. “In those patients, the load of SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19, in their blood dropped after they received the medications, ALTHOUGH THEIR CLINICAL SYMPTOMS DIDN’T CHANGE MUCH. ...
    In fact, hydroxychloroquine turned out not to be as successful in stopping infection in animals and people.” Time Mag.
    “I've never hidden my admiration for the American or Brazilian presidents”
    Except, for Eisenhower whom you falsely and copiously accuse, of being a war criminal.

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo, Pugol-H
    I hope the hydroxychloroquine treatment does prove effective, but it's less promising if it has to be given at the start of the infection. Means treating 10 times as many people, with a much more serious concern about side effects in people who mostly would not have been seriously ill, and requires early diagnosis/testing which there is not capacity for yet.

    I also saw on the news that other coronaviruses do not trigger long term immunity in humans, which would mean no herd resistence and possibly no effective vaccine. Not a comforting thought.

    Italy has had over 16,000 coronavirus deaths, so it's currently comparable to a bad flu season, but that's in just a few weeks and still rising fast. Only the severe lockdown will stop it rising very much higher.

    “Except, for Eisenhower whom you falsely and copiously accuse, of being a war criminal.”

    Don't think he meant he admires ALL American and Brazilian presidents. Obama, for example, committed the unforgivable sin of having a D after his name. You admire any other Brazilian presidents, Chicureo?

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Last night I saw a WHO doctor (sorry, didn’t get her name or title) on Al Jazeera Eng who said, Approx, don’t use hydroxychloroquine, no clinical evidence to support it, potentially serious side effects especially for the heart.

    You pay your money and take your choice, I guess.

    Experts here don’t think the coming summer will make much difference, they don’t think the virus is very robust outside whatever the weather. Transmission is mainly person to person outside. Inside a different matter.

    And it will soon be winter in the southern hemisphere.

    If it is reduced in heat then Africa and India might dodge the bullet, at least some of it.

    Remember also that in Europe it is the warmer southern countries that have been much the worst affected, so far anyway.

    It may be that in northern Europe we are much more used to Flu, a corona virus and colds which are often caused by another corona virus, different strains each year so having one does not make you immune to the next one, but it does mean that over time you have a population more resistant to new viruses.

    As I understand it the body does not keep the specific antibodies for any specific strain (i.e. immunity) for long, but remembers how to make them should that form ever return.

    Social customs may well play a part, in France, Spain and Italy they shake hands at every opportunity even hug and kiss. In the UK, if you’re not in business, you shake hand when you first meet someone or when you haven’t seen them for a long time, a very long time.

    In Sweden they tell me social distancing is how they live anyway.

    Until the science catches up with this disease we can only wait and see.

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree Jack Pugol-H

    It's unfortunate that a medicine has become a political controversy, but I do think it's well worth taking the risk.

    ...I'm shocked about Boris Johnson is now in ICU...

    The Latin penchant for greeting is contrary to “social distancing. In Chile we routinely greet women with a kiss on the cheek, in Brazil a kiss on both cheeks and in Italy it's common for men to kiss each other...

    ...perhaps that's why Japan has done so remarkably well.

    As Wednesday is the Jewish Passover ”ma belle jeune mariée” has declared this pandemic as “l'ange de la mort” and it so reminds me of how we should take this pandemic with respectful trepidation...

    ...I'm concerned about her sprightliness as its obvious Easter celebrations are abandoned. The delightful egg hunt with the grandchildren and carefully planned large family feast will just not happen... (It's gratifying at least that her recent outrageous request was acquiesce despite my accountant thinking I completely lost my mind.)

    In my opinion, Fernando Henrique Cardoso was the greatest President of Brazil.

    If you remember, I long ago noted Franklin D. Roosevelt as one of America's greatest 20th century Presidents and I commented that John Kennedy could have achieved greatness...

    (Speaking of American politics, I still do not understand why the Democrats chose Biden. They had over 20+ to choose from in the beginning.)

    The late harvest from our garden has been a wonderful distraction and we're still debating about tomorrow's menu on our seconde lune de miel...

    I'm slightly crushed about Gollum not commenting about the highly informative China STAR SARS video I generously added.

    in another thread posted about “blood on his hands” and “people will die” hysteria about the current President's direct responsibility for the crisis my response was: https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko

    ¡SALUD para todos!

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    DT
    ““just send a WhatsApp to the local grocery, or drugstore ‘n they deliver in 24 hours.””
    “that's very advanced”.....
    In a way, but it's been around for years.....if I remember correctly, the use of “motoboys” in Brazil goes back to mid 80s, and really took off in the 90s when 100s of “motoboy” firms sprung up overnight like weeds, becoming a motorized version of office-boys.
    If you wanted to send someone a document, just call one and they'd arrive in about 20 mins.
    From documents they evolved to food, and now, they take almost anything that can be transported by motorbike. And they weren't expensive, far quicker and cheaper than getting your own car out, or getting a taxi, not to mention being a hell of a time-saver.
    Not sure but reckon that there are more than 250,000 of them in São Paulo.

    If buying from a small supermarket in our neighborhood, all that is required is a call the manager, pass him your list, and he sends stuff around within the hour, brought by one of boys who bag the groceries. Doesn't get much better.

    Chicureo
    You should know better than to poke the creature with a short stick...might bite you and transmit rabies.

    As to giving credit to FHC as being the greatest president of Brazil - presumably in very recent history - based on the “plano Real” alone, I have to agree with you. He deserves the recognition.....but of late he has cozied up to Lula, showing his true colours....he never stopped being a socialist, just toned it down while in government.
    But to be fair, we should judge him by his (long-lasting) achievements, not his political beliefs.

    Apr 06th, 2020 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “In my opinion, Fernando Henrique Cardoso was the greatest President of Brazil. Thought he would be up your alley as an 'unindicted conspirator.'
    ”Operation Lava Jato was protecting high profile centre-right politicians such as US-backed former President Cardoso, In its latest leak of conversations between Moro and the Lava Jato task force, the Intercept reveals that they pretended to investigate ex-President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, while ignoring evidence that his own foundation collected illegal donations from Odebrecht subsidiary Braskem.
    Referring to Cardoso (FHC) Sérgio Moro said in the leaked conversations, “we can’t offend someone who’s support is so important.”

    … a Reuters article was published, featuring quotes from former President Cardoso, in which he admitted that the Petrolão as it was called, the corruption scheme between Brazil’s 51% state owned oil company Petrobras, and its national construction sector, had begun in 1997, under his government and pre-dated Lula and the Workers Party taking office on January 1 2003.
    This admission ran counter to the narrative …that the Workers Party was “a criminal enterprise” with sole responsibility for Petrobras related corruption cases.
    The article was by Brian Winter, who had also previously ghostwritten Cardoso’s autobiography, … Someone noticed that the Portuguese version of the text contained an editors note: “Podemos tirar, se achar melhor” (we can take that out if you think best) following the paragraph containing Cardoso’s admission. The story went viral and was considered evidence of censorship and bias at Reuters at a crucial time for the country, with what many already identified as a coup d’état brewing.“
    http://www.brasilwire.com/podemos-tirar-lava-jatos-protection-of-fernando-henrique-cardoso/
    Jack Bauer
    ”As to giving credit to FHC as being the greatest president of Brazil ..., I have to agree with you.”
    Birds of feather flock together ...

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    I chose my words carefully: “...Cardoso WAS the greatest President...”
    (I've also stated my opinion of all Lula supporters and socialists in general, but Cardoso's legacy is undeniably impressive”)

    By the way, I'm shocked Brazil has such an advanced home delivery network and yet (according to an expert) completely lacks modern bathroom facilities.

    Alas, c'est la vie we face living in third-world backward counties. I just finished yesterday's bottle I opened yesterday, and although it mellowed a bit too much there was still a silky taste. (I'm going back to my older vintages for the remainder of the week.)

    Viña Arboleda vineyards are located a bit further up from Viña Errázuriz’s and was developed by Eduardo Chadwick, the creator of Seña along with the legendary Robert Mondavi. (I've had several opportunities of enjoying Seña, but it's far overpriced and overrated.)

    They have a great website: https://arboledawines.com/en/

    I fortuitously attended two memorable group luncheons with Robert Mondavi. The man was fascinating to listen to and his enthusiasm was incredible; but his legacy was ruined by his own children and there should be a book someday to expose the Machiavellian Constellation Brands — especially how Eduardo Chadwick successfully defeated them here in Chile.

    I'm seeing in the news that Boris Johnson's pregnant partner has been diagnosed with COVID-19...

    ...as ma jeune mariée correctly calls this l'ange de la mort...

    ¡SALUD!

    For my Canadian expert on Brazilian bathroom amenities, I would kindly suggest he watches the instructional video on China's future I earlier linked, as well as to remember avocado toast is a proven solution to emotional stress due in large part of severe Trump Derangement Syndrome infections.

    In any case, ¡Salud!

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    ”I chose my words carefully: “...Cardoso WAS the greatest President...”
    But, in spite of showing with his own words, his admission of corruption. Gives credence that your words are meaning less, and of no value.

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 01:24 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    For my Canadian readers who are nutritionally deficient (especially in vitamin D as there little sunshine enters basements) suffering from TDS and worse...

    (Sunlight exposure is highly helpful in vitamin D absorption.)

    Please remember that the wondrous avocado is sourced from environmentally beneficial, carbon consuming and oxygen producing sustainable avocado forests.

    Delicious, versatile and healthy avocados are a great source of vitamins C, E, K, and B-6, as well as riboflavin, niacin, folate, pantothenic acid, magnesium, and potassium. They also provide lutein, beta-carotene, and omega-3 fatty acids.

    Avocados are full of healthy, beneficial fats that help to keep you full and satiated and served upon toast has proven to reduce stress. (And yes, even are a proven natural skin care.)

    When you buy avocados in the supermarket, you are positively assisting the Earth's environment and making it a better place to live for future generations.



    ¡Salud!

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    So you careen from naming an admitted a former corrupt Brazilian President as the “the greatest President”
    To geographical blunders in speculating where other posters are resident, and the condition of their health. Thus, blundering in every post from one fiction to another, giving credence that your words are meaning less, and of no value.
    Your not a good example of of benefits of avocados, because so far you been unable to show a simple winning cognisance argument.

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Gollum

    Cardoso is a socialist and I don't like socialists in general, but there are exceptions. His historical acheivements are really admirable.

    You are barking up the wrong tree...

    Kindly remind this humble country boy about the widespread primitive bathroom facilities in Brazil and again your valliant contribution during the Cuba Missile Crisis during the JFK administration... (Your mother must be approaching 100 years ...)

    Also, do you have bathroom facilities down in your mother's basement, or do you daily crawl out of your lair to use the upstairs facilities?

    (Maybe we can as a group, form a Go Fund Me page for Jack to buy a flush toilet.)

    ¡Salud!

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Remind about the widespread primitive bathroom facilities in Brazil” Easy-peasy, four other sites have confirmed. http:// en.mercopress.com/2017/07/20/ex-brazilian-president-assets-and-bank-accounts-frozen/comments#comment471252
    “Your mother ...” ”Psychological projection is a defence mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. Your very own 'mummy hang-ups,' which you frequently reveal in your 'matriarchal diatribes'
    https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • DemonTree

    I've never heard of anything like those 'motoboys'. Wonder why the idea didn't catch on in other countries? It's only in the last few years we've even been able to get takeaway food delivered in the UK, thanks to the magic of the internet. It would definitely be convenient now when supermarkets lack the capacity to increase home deliveries.

    “don’t use hydroxychloroquine, no clinical evidence to support it, potentially serious side effects especially for the heart.”

    Worth it for someone on a ventilator or in intensive care like Boris, but would you want to risk taking it at the first sign of symptoms?

    Lol at the Swedes keeping 2m apart at all times in normal life, but maybe it's true there is more human contact in the Mediterranean countries. Sounds like South America will also be more vulnerable if so.

    Re FHC, he came up with the Plano Real before he was president, so maybe it's more true to say he was Brazil's greatest Finance Minister. And if you're going to disqualify presidents for corruption you'll be left with a veeeery short list of candidates.

    Which other socialists do you admire, Chicureo?

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Gollum

    As I personally lack a traditional University education, your highly sophisticated psychological concepts are uncomprehensionble for this simple “country hick” so you'll need to simplify your messages.

    As a child, I did suffer trama from Marxist-Socialist unrest and it affected my political idealogy for my entire country “hick” family.

    Also the Argentine government, especially of 1978-1982, had a profound influence on my future.

    Now, please remind us about your role in the Cuba Missile Crisis... or are you instead a mendacious hidious creature?

    Avocado toast by the way is delicious...

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  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Now, please remind us about your role in the Cuba Missile Crisis... or are you instead a mendacious hidious creature?”
    Sorry if you're claiming I'm lying then you have to show where in my posts it is so. As you bear the burden of proof as the claimant.
    Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof lies with who declares, not who denies) it.
    Avocado by the way doesn't make you any smarter, and you need all the help you can get.

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  • Pugol-H

    DT
    I take no position on the hydroxychloroquine debate, I merely report what she said. It is all way above me.

    I don’t know where you are in the UK, but I’ve had takeaway food being delivered for the last 30 years. Only fairly recently has supermarket deliveries happened.

    By the way congrats on the new addition. Maybe something of a “baby boom” coming after all these lockdowns. You were ahead of the curve on this one I see.

    Chicureo
    Any known Viagra/love potion type effects from Avocados?

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H DemonTree Jack

    Regarding the hydroxychloroquine debate, it seems to have been grudgingly accepted in the USA. Trump seems to have rolled double-sixes on the crap table.

    There is strong scientific data, showing avocados are a powerful aphrodisiac found in their nutrients: https://myaphrodisiacs.com/avocado-aphrodisiac-fact-or-fiction/

    From personal experience, regular consumption of avocados have been very satisfactory, an excerpt from the fascinating informative article:
    ”Most do not associate sensual acts with sharing an avocado, however those who have tried it before hitting the sheets have given glorious feedback to its results. The spike in popularity, especially in the last 20 years, really came down to just how much of a catalyst the ingredients of avocados are to sexual desire. Several aphrodisiacs only display one or two token ingredients that spark electricity. The fact that avocados have at least four (that we know of) makes it easy to see why they are obtained for sexual purposes.”

    Regarding Socialists: As mentioned before, I've had a few cordial encounters with Michelle Bachelet (who is the godmother of one of my nation's Scorpène submarines), and had pizza once with Ricardo Lagos — both have accomplished satisfactory administrations. I would argue that FDR was a socialist and although Mexico's AMLO is still debatable he's fighting for positive change for his nation.

    Who are your favorite socialists? I remember my late father really despised Harold Wilson... I don't think Jeremy Corbyn would have been on your list...

    It looks as though I he entire World as transformed into a socialist economy, with only “essential people” working...

    Jack, while we're waiting for Gollum to remind us about his valiant Cuban Missile Crisis service experience — do you even know how to operate a flush toilet? If not, we could send an instructional manual while we arrange funding.

    ¡Salud para todos!

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Thanks, Pugol-H. The internet informs me that the new generation will be called 'coronials', but 9 months ago we had no idea this would happen... the middle of a pandemic is not when I would have chosen to have a baby.

    Right now there is an ambulance outside our next door neighbours' house, and I saw two paramedics go in with masks and plastic aprons. I hope they are okay.

    Re deliveries, I was thinking of Just Eat that lets nearly every small takeaway and restaurant do deliveries. There were always some businesses that offered it, though.

    Chicureo
    We bought 4 packs of nappies before the baby was born, and another one afterwards, and have nearly finished them all. It's quite astonishing how much time she takes up and how much mess (and noise) such a tiny person makes.

    The UK government doesn't seem too enthused by the new treatment, but I'm sure that will change if it's shown to work.

    Wonder if Bolsonaro still thinks the virus is just a touch of flu? Somehow I doubt Boris would agree with him, and Boris is younger than Bolsonaro and especially Trump...

    How do you and Jack manage to meet all these politicians? You busy lobbying them on behalf of the avocado industry or something?

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H DemonTree Jack

    Correction: Craps Table

    It was a beautiful day today and my small garden has been a wonderful distraction. I still remain wary however of the sprightliness ma belle mariée as she feels the ominous l'ange de la mort hovering over our heads.

    We are way overstocked in goat cheese, ma mariée declared she would prefer a Viognier tonight, but alas all our stock is abandoned in Viña. I did find a very nice Casas del Bosque Sauvignon Blanc Pequeñas Producciones 2019 from the Casablanca Valley to accompany un dîner léger Salade de Chèvre Chaud (Tagliatelle with toasted walnuts and rosemary dressed with a garlic cream goat cheese sauce, sprinkled with fried bacon bits.)

    I would have preferred a red tonight, but I'm staying on my best behaviour. Tomorrow I'll open a 1998 Don Melchor for Passover as we're certainly not observing Catholic Lent. Sadly grand-mère is still in shock about not being able to celebrate Easter with family, especially the little ones.

    DemonTree, respectfully buy that emergency pack for hiding away for a midnight crisis. Also, women possess the memory of elephants, so I suggest try sympathizing with a postpartum epression.

    At the age of two, you'll see your daughter's personality. You have an amazing adventure before you and they are so delightful!

    As so far with politicians, Chile is a small country — Lagos and Bachelet was due to the navy, Piñera through the Club de la Unión, while Fujimori was because he was under house arrest at my club in Chicureo. Menem was at social events and Mondavi was because we produce a tiny amount of wine grapes in Aconcagua. I obviously got to know many of the military government as you already know.

    Bachelet I first got acquainted with her when she served admirably as Chile's defense minister. She's brilliant and was educated as a medical doctor in East Germany.

    ¡Salud para todos!

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  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    Regarding the hydroxychloroquine debate, it's now revealed that the largest stake holder in this drug is also Trumps biggest donor

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo,
    Will look up the “arboleda” website, tks.

    “shocked Brazil has such an advanced home delivery network…” (DT : for you, as well): started almost by accident. Countries with lots of poor people have tons of low powered motorbikes, to compensate expensive ‘n lousy public transport…soon a new ‘niche’ opened up.

    As for toilet facilities, am not knowledgeable on those in slums / dark basements. Perhaps Gollum’s has a flush toilet after the 1596 concept. Easy to operate…just pull up a small handle.

    Gollum believes FHC was up to his neck in corruption, yet thinks Lula is innocent…somewhat contradictory. Fact is, corruption’s always existed here, especially in Govt/State-run Cos, ‘n while public servants (like high-up PB employees ) used to take advantage of their positions for personal benefit, it was far more restricted.
    Lula was the first to see the opportunity and turn it into a lucrative enterprise for the PT & his allies (ex, “Mensalão & Petrolão”).
    Gollum seems to have missed the point. Sure, Odebrecht /Braskem donated to the FHC Foundation - a well-respected “think-tank” - and many other influential politicians, but there was no evidence the donations were ‘quid-pro-quo’ for future PB contracts, as in the PT era. And, very different to the Instituto Lula, fraught with corruption.
    But Gollum, from the depths of his dingy hole, believes the Intercept as if were the Gospel truth, ‘n carries on his rants about ‘psychological transference”. Pathetic.

    Agree with DT about FHC, ‘a good finance minister’, because he coordinated the Plano Real, and “best President” (in recent times) might be a better description…due to his legacy, which had an enormous (positive) impact... now, compare it to Lula’s. You can’t.

    Don’t apologize for not having a trad’l Uni education, especially to Gollum, Neither does he. As to his “highly sophisticated psychological concepts”, they are all copied from reference books. He doesn’t even understand them himself.

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H DemonTree Jack

    Gollum FYI: hydroxychloroquine is a widely produced generic drug of which China and India being the largest producers. There is a long list of new producers in various countries, including even Belgium as the demand is great and the cost of producing is very inexpensive. The treatment is very inexpensive.

    There are several cases vindicating Trump's recommendation, including from DEMOCRAT politicians: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/04/06/democrat-karen-whitsett-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump/2955430001/

    My turn:

    Did you not state in an earlier post that you were actively serving during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

    Did you not indeed describe the overall primitive bathroom facilities in Brazil?

    Until you address these two simple questions, you will be ignored.

    ¡Salud para todos!

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Chicureo
    We are all missing times with family and friends and loved ones, even a lifelong sundowner like me. However it has to be done and that is that.

    Apart from that:

    Viognier, Casas del Bosque Sauvignon Blanc Pequeñas.

    dîner léger Salade de Chèvre Chaud (Tagliatelle with toasted walnuts and rosemary dressed with a garlic cream goat cheese sauce, sprinkled with fried bacon bits.)

    1998 Don Melchor.

    Surviving on hard tack then are we, and here’s me living it up on kebabs, curry and larger (wicked strength).

    Lucky you have a goodly supply of those marvellous S. American Avocados, to see you through the crisis.

    TD
    I concur with Chicureo, it is the most amazing adventure of your life also possibly one of the most taxing, but worry about that bit later, for now enjoy what is the most special of experiences watching you daughter grow and develop.

    P.S. I also respectfully suggest you have a backup pack of nappies, personally I also kept old style Terrys nappies, they don’t grow out of them and they work under all conditions and can be re-used.

    Like revolvers and bolt action rifles.

    Apr 07th, 2020 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H

    DemonTree and Jack can attest that I write too much about food and wine, but it's one of my true passions.

    Actually, these are very unusual times. That's why I've recently raided bottles from my best stock. Normally we buy the moderate priced wines, but for decades we've been hoarding wine.

    Until this unfortunate period, my trouble and strife was Madame Defarge, but after a courte révolution regarding an outrageous financial decision, I wisely surrendered to her and she's become the young bride I married decades ago. (I was educated in a British school and she unfortunately a lycée française.)

    This lockdown has brought us together like we were when I was just starting out in my naval career. Every night has become date night and meals have always been special.

    Finally, we were fortunate to be between a successful grape harvest and prior to the avocado crop. Avocados have a distinct advantage because the mature fruit can be stored unharvested on the trees for months if necesssary. (However our receivers are advising us the market will be excellent.)

    Normally natural disasters affect farmers the worst, but we've been fortunate to be largely unaffected this unusual time.

    ¡Salud para todos!

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  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “Thinks Lula is innocent” Absolutely, and apparently I'm in god company.
    “Yet crucially, there is no evidence that Lula either owned or lived in the triplex at any point. Beyond the suspicious activity with apartment 164-A, the court cited no evidence that directly implicated Lula in a quid pro quo with OAS. Instead, it argued that because it is known that OAS was taking kickbacks from Petrobras, and Lula was the sitting president at the time, it is reasonable to infer that he was aware and complicit. This is, needless to say, not sufficient evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt. And indeed, according to several analysts, no European or American court would have ruled to convict based on the evidence presented”
    http://www.brownpoliticalreview.org/2018/03/brazils-democratic-woes-anti-elitism-reemergence-illiberalism/
    The real Gollum is a ”pathetic creature(that) lurks in the dark“ and we all know who does that, loser.
    https://www. thetoptens.com/most-famous-tolkien-characters/.
    Thanks for mentioning your the depths ”of his dingy hole,” which is clearly an insight to how your mind works. “Psychological projection is a defence mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https: //medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    Already asked and answered.
    “Did you not state in an earlier post”
    https: //en.mercopress.com/2020/04/04/covid-19-pandemic-brazilians-have-greater-trust-in-the-health-than-in-president-bolsonaro/comments#comment507985

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree Pugol-H Jack

    I have a document to freely travel to the Aconcagua valley farm — which is only a little over an hour away from Chicureo, but I'm staying isolated with ma belle mariée on this fourth day of Holy Week. (Since the shutdown, I've only ventured outside one time this last weekend to notarize documents to quell the casus belli of Madam LeFarge.)

    Like Jack, we have no problems being supplied from the pharmacy/chemist as well from the supermarkets here. Our real problem is we're too oversupplied. As you know, we are good friends with a artesian cheese producer, so we're incorporating it in every meal.

    (FYI despite what the Internet says, you can't satisfactorily freeze cheese, BUT when oversupplied with avocados, you can peel and half them, sprinkle some lemon juice and store them in a zip-lock freezer bag, removing most of the air.)

    This morning I had omelette au fromage and le déjeuner was salmon carpaccio sitting on a bed of thin slivers of red pimento goat cheese — dressed with an emulsion of avocado oil, honey mustard and sprinkled with lemon capers. We opened another bottle of the same Sauvignon Blanc as last night.

    Tonight will be a charcuterie plateau de fromages with a wide selection from our garden with poires et fromage de chèvre dessert. This will force me to quaff at least 500ml of of the precious Don Melchor. (250ml reserved for my partner)

    I saw on the internet this morning a poignant comment from another poor individual facing this lockdown with his wife well worth sharing: ”We are 11 days into self-isolation and it is really upsetting me to witness my wife standing at the living room window, gazing aimlessly into space with tears running down her cheeks.
    It breaks my heart to see her like this.
I have thought very hard about how I can cheer her up.
    I have even considered letting her in – but rules are rules.”

    I would never imagine contemplating doing that because Madam Defarge is highly qualifed using a Glock 9mm...

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo, Pugol-H, DT

    Chicureo, your mention of Don Melchor takes me back 10 years, while I was at a (very rich) friend’s home, with another good friend, an Australian oenologist who imported wine to Brazil.
    At that time (after retiring 'temporarily') I had taken up selling the latter’s Australian & NZL wines, as a hobby…besides the experience of being able to put into practice all I'd read about wine, it gave me a unique chance of drinking a lot of the good stuff. Anyway, after a few hours, and more than a few bottles, our host insisted we go down to his wine cellar (literally in the cellar) and pick out another bottle…so off we went, and he immediately pulled out a Romanée Conti, mid 90s vintage (worth about US$ 5,000)….despite my enormous intake of wine, I was aware enough of the fact that I’d had too much to really appreciate it, so it took a bit of convincing to make him leave that bottle for another day…I looked around for the cheapest wine I could, (not easy), and eventually came across a 10 year vertical selection of Don Melchor….took up 2 bottles, both gorgeous.
    Looks like you have your better half well-trained regarding the sharing of the Don Melchor…2/3rds me, 1/3 you.

    Unfortunately (only for him), Gollum is lost in past (or in his basement), still worried about Lula’s triplex (he actually still believes Lula is innocent - no one here does any more), doesn’t know his ass from his elbow, and quite frankly, if he catches the virus, I would recommend he not take hydroxychloroquine…after all, we can’t have him take the risk of using a med produced by one of Trumps biggest donors, can we ?….
    And please, don’t get him started on the Cuban Missile crisis, nor his lamentable (rather limited) experience with ‘his’ Brazilian toilets and their accessories.


    Pugol-H your mention of ‘terry’ nappies couldn't have come at a better moment....to the contrary of Gollum, aka Terry Hill, they are useful, and he uses them to hold what comes out of his mouth.

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “To hold what comes out of his mouth.” Pity you can't point to anything offensive I have stated, whereas I can use your own gutter language as confirmation of your total lack of refinement. “Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil… Oct 31, 2015 ... take you fairy dress off and start fondling your dolls.” “Rousseff pledges … put on your new dress, be gay and frolic, and you might even manage to get yourself reamed.”; “Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil …Nov 05th, 2015 - 05:19 pm. ..your inflatable dolls never complain when you can't get the wrinkes out of your limp noodle, is what gives you this impression... they just fart when you squeeze them..”: “Desperate for funds Jan 20th, 2016 - 03:12 pm ..why don't you pull Long-Dong Silver out of your closet”
    So when faced with your unconfirmed claims and my factual presentation, it isn’t rocket science. Like I said you’re the gift that just keeps on giving. So my thanks for confirming who needs to swath their mouth with a diaper.

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Jack Bauer

    Gollum,
    your mere existence is offensive to most people. To speak to you, one has to lower the level, otherwise you might not understand.
    Don't need to refresh my memory about my opinion of you....but I'm glad to see that you are able to enjoy it over and over again....
    Don't waste my time, numb nuts !

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “To speak to you, one has to lower the level ...”
    Grasp your ears firmly and pull; you might just be able to remove your head from your ass.
    I wish I had a lower I.Q., maybe then I could enjoy your company.
    What ever you are lacking in intelligence, you more than make up for in stupidity.
    If your IQ was any lower, you'd need watering

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    The DM is extraordinary and it's heartening that you appreciate one of Concha y Toro's great acheivements. (Back in the '90s we had a business relationship and a hefty case lot discount.)

    My extended family is all well and the family farm is under excellent control. In this unreal situation, our current concern at the moment is — what are we going to do with all the ripe tomatoes in our home garden...

    I'm enjoying a certain schadenfreude watching you poke the angry stupid creature with a pointed short stick. It's interesting the recluse has such an extensive experience with inflatable dolls...

    Speaking of business, it's looking now positive as this crisis will not be as bad as we fear. China is buying again and refrigerated cargo ship service worldwide is now promising. A small family Danish company (Maersk) is today reporting a resurgence of vessel movement.

    As I write this, the bouquet of recently baked French sourdough bread permeates our home and I really need to get back to normality as the entire world does as well.

    My best regards and sincerely: ¡Salud para todos!

    Apr 08th, 2020 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado
    “Such an extensive experience ...” Since your not a witness, you must be talking from personal knowledge.
    If you could suck your own dick then you would finally suck at everything.
    “You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance.” Edward Flaherty
    I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and crap out a smarter comeback than what you just said
    If you're gonna be a smartass, first you have to be smart. Otherwise you're just an ass.

    Apr 09th, 2020 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Pugol-H

    Chicureo
    Glad to hear the trouble and strife has matters in hand, don’t hold her schooling against her, they sent me to school in a Greek Orthodox Convent. When we got to a place where they had schools.

    “but rules are rules.” LMFAO

    Forget a 9mm, remember what I said about revolvers, 38 special every time, punch a hole clean through things a 9mm just bounces off. And they don’t jam.

    JB
    “Lost” is the word, your right.

    Apr 09th, 2020 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    As our garden is overloaded with an abundant tomato crop of multiple varieties, today we have been creatively making several variations of savory and unique tomato chutney. We've been exceptionally busy working as a team.

    Logically, le déjeuner is tomate, avocat et chèvre sur pain au levain grillé to accompanied with an immature 2018 Viña Montes Purple Angel Carménère.
    (We have two cases of it, that I've been procrastinating to store at the farmhouse and I decided to sample one for curiosity — but the remainder will be put away for a decade and the Arboleda I noted earlier is a far better buy.)

    The inventive batches of garden tomato alchemy include using onions, basil, honey, fresh ginger, cumin, cinnamon, and even one batch with Mapuche smoked merken.

    From the current marvelous smell of the slow simmered harvested bounty — releasing its juices is turning into something we believe will be extraordinary. (I earlier suggested we try some with the addition of red bell pepper and balsamic vinegar, but the narrowing of my partner's eyes signaled to stay quiet.)

    Tonight's diversion is still being debated, but will be certainly accompanied with a different special red.

    Pugol-H

    Regarding your comment, may I ask what country you were educated? (Mine was the Grange and Madame La Alianza Francesa here in Santiago.) I've personally never liked the aesthetics of a Glock and agree with your observations — especially the reliability of a revolver, but she's very accustomed and attached to her G17. (My youngest daughter — who's involved in the farm operations, carries a FAME FT-2000, which is a .38 revolver.)

    ¡Salud para todos!

    Apr 09th, 2020 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo,

    you may have noticed that I appreciate all of Chile’s top wines (those that I’ve had), especially Don Maximiano.

    Yep, good question, ‘what to do with your ripe tomatoes’ ? But I see you are being creative and finding ways to use them....lots of lycopene....but didn’t see just a plain tomato salad on your menu….goes well with salt, oregano, olive oil and buffalo mozzarella....and a bit of merken - definitely.

    Have seen but haven’t had the Viña Montes Purple Angel yet…you reckon the Arboleda is a better buy, or just because the Purple Angel is only a year old ?

    Pugol-H
    Gollum is a strange creature….gets offended very easily… has the nerve to state “Pity you can't point to anything offensive I have stated…”, and then goes on to write “If you could suck your own dick then you would finally suck at everything”…it certainly does deserve a bit of “Schadenfreude”, as suggsted by Chicureo.

    It has very small brain and lacks originality, to the point of having toi constantly repeat the quotes of others’.


    Chicureo
    “A small family Danish company (Maersk) is today reporting a resurgence of vessel movement”….good news…imagine if it were a ‘large’ corporation…

    Apr 09th, 2020 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    We've been having lots of tomato salads! We'll have invariably more because we over planted and we are in the peak of fall harvest.

    I see Gollum is too busy playing with his inflatable dolls...

    Regarding small shipping companies, dry cargo is slow and back logged, but refrigerated freight is resurgent. Supermarket sales worldwide are booming, especially to my two markets: USA - UK

    For a few moments midday Madam LeFarge made a brief appearance during our discussion about the evening meal, as elle a exigé I climb upon the bathroom scale. Mystifyingly I've somehow lost OVER a kilo since my last check.

    Celebrating her petite victoire, ma belle mariée suggested moi prépare le dîner.
    From the garden and the refrigerator I selected the marinated artichoke hearts, red bell pepper, Italian squash (courgettes) and a new Galia hybrid melon that suffered a crack due to the overnight temperature change. I noticed the heirloom eggplant and returned to the kitchen.

    I have finished prepping the vegetables, setting up the curious new Krupps deep fryer, selected a good Argentine sunflower oil and will soon make a Tempura batter.

    I've already whipped a garlic-chèvre aioli as well as sitting aside a slightly-cooked portion of the tomato chutney, which is a taste of heaven.

    I have a '98 Concha y Toro Marques de Casa Concha Cabernet set aside for tonight and will pull the cork in another hour. (This was of six of which was planned for Easter celebrations.)

    As you know, Viña Errázuriz are our neighbors, but in the '90s we were a supplier to Concha y Toro. Completely agree with the Don Maximilliano!

    It's interesting that China is punishing Brazil and PM Modi (Trump's alleged pharmaceutical business partner) is generously supplying Bolsonaro with a vital hydroxychloroquine materials.

    You can never buy too much wine! (I'll just probably need to find a new liver...)

    ¡Salud!

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  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    When you and your abetter engage in unprovoked personal attacks, then you open yourselves to reciprocation. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
    “Pity you can't point to anything offensive I have stated…” Which prior this present circumstance is true. In simple terms, I'm going to give you what you dish out in spades, dipshit.
    Whatever it is that is eating you, it must be suffering horribly.
    You have an inferiority complex and it is fully justified.
    There is no vaccine against stupidity.
    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    “Playing with his inflatable dolls... ” tells everyone what is on your minds not mine.
    “Psychological projection is a defence mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    Aha, I see the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
    Just because you have one doesn't mean you have to act like one.

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo,
    Sounds like madame Lefarge is a cook worthy of a 3-star Michelin restaurant......eating well - and drinking - is one of the compensations of being cooped up. Makes it quite bearable.
    If you've lost weight, must be because you are being served French-size portions...

    China is getting even due to the stupid and unnecessa
    Bolsonaro should give them bollocking...if they don't want to help, at least don't get in the way..

    Talking of wine, as I write this, I was served a 'caipirinha' (made of delicious 'cachaça'), and a packet of 'Goldfish' cheddar snacks....just to open the appetite.

    Poor Gollum....he thinks that if I can't take it, I shouldn't dish it out.......rather presumptious of him....but then, that is what he is.

    Gollum
    Sorry if I upset you......but it's bloody hilarious how you think your idiotic remarks can actually offend someone....but if it makes you happy to think so......

    Now, like a good creature, go back to fondling your inflatable doll....and when you put it back in the closet, be sure to let the air out gently, o'wise it might fly out of the basement window..

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  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Your short pointed stick has evoked a snarling blind rage from the potty-mouthed creature...

    Thank you for your complements! Madame has never limited my portions, but we go out exercising each day.

    I have an extensive experience of caipirinhas and a fearful respect for cachaça...
    We love Goldfish cheddar crackers and currently have them in our pantry.

    Conclusions from today's seconde lune de miel on this gorgeous Autumn evening:

    Women spend an extraordinaire amount of time on group social network video chats...

    The sorcery behind the mysterious sourdough “bread starter” has been revealed to me. It's a living creature that requires constant care and is carefully passed from mother to daughter. (I now understand why she wouldn't speak to me, when I threw away the strange smelling concoction early in our marriage.)

    We made five successful different variations of tomato chutney. We agree three are outstanding, but can't agree which is best. The garlic heavy variation and the smoked merken experiment were both a bit overpowering, but are better than anything from a supermarket. (We also know that we'll never again make chutney together, but we really had fun doing it.)

    Surprisingly, this afternoon agreed that the '16 Arboleda Carménère is far superior to the '18 Purple Angel. (Montes was higher in price, but in fairness, we have a relationship with the Chadwick family.)

    Fried sweet onion rings were great, but the fried artichoke hearts were truly outstanding and ma belle mariée unusually is impressed — especially with the garlic-chèvre aioli.

    The newest fragrant Israeli Galia variety we will plant again.

    The shock of the day however is the truly incredible '98 Marques de Casa Concha!Jack, I'm not too inebriated, nor ma mariée, who knows wine — that the Marques is better than the Melchor! This obviously goes against all I understand and will require me to carefully recheck my results tomorrow.

    If we only knew two decades ago...

    ¡Salud!

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  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee'
    “Rather presumptious of him” Is your best the best response? “Sorry if I upset you” Hardly, since you have been bested on every occasion. Every attempt to 'smear' me has 'back-fired' into reavaling
    the inner-workings of your deeply disturbed thinking. As a current example “fondling your inflatable doll”, says every thing about you, and nothing about me.
    “Psychological projection is a defence mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    “Potty-mouthed” You must be referring to yourself “Playing with his inflatable dolls... ” tells everyone what is on your mind not mine.
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)

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  • Chicureo

    Just an important reminder that sunlight exposure open your skin is highly helpful in vitamin D absorption. Vitamin D deficency is a serious mental health problem, especially for basement dwelling creatures.

    Also, this is a good time to remember that the wondrous avocado is sourced from environmentally beneficial, carbon consuming and oxygen producing sustainable avocado forests.

    Delicious, versatile and healthy avocados are a great source of vitamins C, E, K, and B-6, as well as riboflavin, niacin, folate, pantothenic acid, magnesium, and potassium. They also provide lutein, beta-carotene, and omega-3 fatty acids.

    Avocados are full of healthy, beneficial fats that help to keep you full and satiated and served upon toast has proven to reduce stress. (And yes, even are a proven natural skin care.)

    When you buy avocados in the supermarket, you are positively assisting the Earth's environment and making it a better place to live for future generations.

    Give your vinyl inflatable doll a gentle hug, and remember that sharp pointed sticks are another reminder not to get into a blind rage with your lover, as she might deflate her bouncy enthusiastic response...

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  • Pugol-H

    Chicureo
    In answer to your question, in a few different countries/continents, arrived in Blighty in my early teens, near to Chicksands as it happens.

    I was referring to a school in Cyprus I attended for three years end of the 60s early 70s. The Terra Santa convent school, Limassol. Apparently the school has now moved and where I went is now offices, although still part of the church.

    As for the side arms, hey whatever you are comfortable with, not going to argue with a lady brandishing a 9mm who knows how to use it.

    I am sorry to hear that those type of weapons are necessary for you, I have lived like that, but not for some years now.

    JB
    When are you and Chicureo going to open a travel/hotel/restaurant business????
    With visits to the famous Avocado plantations.

    Book me in, my Argy friend suggested we meet up in Machu Pichu (always wanted to see that place), as an alternative to visiting him in Argentina, on account of the place being full of Co*k So*king Malvinista S*um.

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  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    You must be referring to yourself “vinyl inflatable doll a gentle hug,...” tells everyone what is on your mind not mine.
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    “Remember that the wondrous avocado ...” I'd lay of them if I was you, as your coming over as an absolute wanker.
    Are you always this stupid or is today a special occasion?
    Shock me, say something intelligent.
    I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.

    Apr 10th, 2020 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    On the morning walk together, we schemed on what to do for this strange Good Friday.

    We're breaking all the religious, family and social traditions that we've become accustomed to, but our mantra remains strong to “attitude is everything” and to remain concerned for our extended family, as the ominous l'ange de la mort remains with us.

    The current wonderful smell of bread in the oven is almost intoxicating...

    Two more of the melons developed overnight cracks, and I've wrapped the remaining on the vines in burlap. Today's le déjeuner is wedges of Galia melon wapped in paper slices of jamón Ibérico accompanied with another Sauvignon Blanc.

    Tonight remains undecided, except a clear objective to pull another cork of the same mystifying vintage of Concha y Toro — Even ma belle mariée is exceptionally curious...

    Pugol-H

    For what it's worth, I highly recommend knowing both historic Cuzco and the 15th-century Inca Manchu Picchu. The public train service to the destination is excellent. (The private rail service is run by the iconic and expensive Orient Express which Madame DeFarge experienced with my late mother in her final years... and in her reflection, money really well spent.)

    The open central exotic market of Cuzco is incredible and Peruvian cuisine, world class. Peruvian wine is undrinkable, but their Pisco is far superior to my country's. A very gentle and friendly proud people.

    As a Chilean, I suffer a love hate relationship with my kleptomaniac neighbor — as rich cousins squander their wealth and yet claim injustice for failure... Buenos Aires is far overrated, but Patagonia is marvelous.

    Reflecting on the time period mentioned, you obviously witnessed — I assume a very violent and transformative war with the sovereign military base as neutral enclave...

    From my personal experience, violent change and social upheaval permanently change a young man's perspective about politics can leave permanent scars for life.

    ¡Salud!

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo
    You know Chicureo, the ‘potty-mouthed creature” provides entertainment…maybe we should keep him in a constant state of ‘blind rage’. Do you think that perhaps one of his (many) inflatables, perhaps his favorite, is a likeness to Long-Dong Silver ?

    When you start off describing Madam’s culinary expertise – to be fair , with a little help from yourself, although I can imagine you in the armchair already sipping your wine while she’s slogging away in the kitchen – I read it slowly, trying to imagine each dish, and at times, must say makes my mouth water.
    Thanks about the tip on Arboleda. Will buy some asa this lockdown is eased up. Have just asked my wife to put avocados on the next shopping list.

    Pugol-H
    Great suggestion…open up a business like than would be fun….a bit late now, but if I had not gone into the line of business that I did, I would have gone to work in the hotel / tourism business….seems there’s never a dull moment.

    Gollum
    Ah, you though I’d leave you out, eh ? not likely…..hope you are having a great time in your solitary confinement – although probably no different to how you usually spend your time - and remember to kiss Long-Dong goodnight.

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  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “provides entertainment” You must be a masochist, as you two get bitch slapped all over the map. ‘blind rage’ For which you cannot provide evidence of any such occurrence. Thus, 'that which is not proved is not true. “remember to kiss Long-Dong” Thanks for reminding us how little of value occurs in that fetid little mind of yours. First uttered by you “Desperate for funds Jan 20th, 2016 - 03:12 pm ..why don't you pull Long-Dong Silver out of your closet”

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  • Chicureo

    Jack and all this quiet evening

    Apparently, the subterranean creature is too easily provoked when mentioning its precious inflatable doll... ...but I would regret tormenting Gollum as this is a day of inner reflection upon the brotherhood of peace.

    Le dîner tonight was simply Madame's French sourdough bread with herbed garlic butter spread and a wonderful smoked goat cheese wedge.

    We both carefully evaluated and slowly savored the second '98 Marques de Casa Concha and confirmed the discovery of what a truly nonpareil-impeccable-superb treasure it is.

    This vindicates the beliefs of my late father and grandfather that you can never regret overbuying good wine, if you have the proper storage available. (We have 4 more identical bottles here in Chicureo and I believe another remaining 6 at the farmhouse.)

    ...If we only knew two decades ago, what we know today...

    Warm regards to all this evening and the best of health.

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  • Pugol-H

    Chicureo
    History has always been my great love, in England we are spoilt, we have history going back 100s, 1,000s, 10,000s and 100,000s of years. The remains of much of which, I have been to see.

    But to see some of the sites in the Americas, would be more than good.

    I realise relationships in S. America are, complicated, shall we say.

    Mi compadres en Argentina es AngloArgentinos. A foot in both worlds, I’m sure you understand. Able to deal with me as an Anglo, but not entirely free of Porteneo thinking, which I notice, even when they live in Miami.

    Actually Cyprus was the “quietest” posting to date, prior to that.

    A good read, “Having Been A soldier” Col Mitchell.

    Before and after I spent time in parts of Africa. Actually born there, not in S. Africa or Rhodesia, although I spent time in both later on.

    The difference between us is it was never my society tearing itself apart.

    But still I know what you mean, it leaves its mark.

    JB
    The way you and Chicureo talk about wine, food and Avocados, Michelin 5* all the way. Licence to print money mate.

    Think of the tourists, from northern climes, who need relief from SAD.

    On medical insurance is this Madam/Sir? Ok (add another nought to the bill).

    In some parts of N. America they don’t see the sun for months. In desperate need of the warm glow of the Avocado groves.

    Take a lesson from the Mexicans, hate Gringos and charge them for the privilege.

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  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    “when mentioning its precious inflatable doll..” The only person that original raised the idea was transferee Proof less, and Truth, less which is clear insight as to his disturbed thinking.
    Psychological transference, of attributing your own activities to others. https: //medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    “Le dîner tonight ...” aha more examples of you the 'blowhard'. The correct name for your behavior. Although I believe Tosser is also accurate.
    “The word tosser describes a person with a tendency to show off or brag in an excessive and embarrassing way.” Urban Dictionary: tosser

    Apr 11th, 2020 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Pugol-H

    Thanks for the Mitchell book recommendation. As you may have surmised by my posting at Chicksands, I had a very unusual desk career in the navy, with over half my service in the reserves. Until retirement, agriculture has always been a fortuitous hobby that has required my family to lead the life of Gypsies — constantly changing the place we sleep every few days as if it were normal.

    Yesterday evening, Madam DeFarge assembled smoked salmon from the refrigerator that was getting close to its due date and a 500g frozen salmon filet from the freezer and assembled jars of salmon rillettes for serving today with sourdough bread. (One needs to marinate the rillettes overnight before you can appreciated the marvelous flavor.)

    This accompanied with what was sadly to be a part of our family celebration tomorrow...
    https://www.casasdelbosque.cl/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/CDB-Bo-ENG.pdf

    We will opening a second bottle of the same as we feel so sad this strange empty weekend...

    The evening meal is my responsibility I have been informed by Madame...

    (Basement dwelling creatures could lift their gloomy existence by simply enjoying delicious healthy and always available avocados at Canadian supermarkets.

    Apr 11th, 2020 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    Since you continue to make false personal accusations. Then that gives me the green light to query your claims.
    “carefully evaluated and slowly savored the second ... a truly nonpareil-impeccable-superb treasure”
    Suggests smarmy pomposity at it's most extreme, what the Brits would describe as an absolute wanker.
    A statement against interest is a statement made by a person which places them in a less advantageous position than if they had not made the statement and is, as a consequence, deemed credible as evidence against them.

    Apr 11th, 2020 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    For those who are not incapable of appreciating great cuisine:

    ”...Consultant psychiatrist and wellness advocate Dr Terrence Hill believes the increased level of mental stress being faced by many Canadians is contributing to scores of persons slowly committing suicide by gorging on unhealthy foods.
    According to Dr Hill, several Canadiadians are using unhealthy foods to cope with issues such as crime, sexual and domestic abuse, family conflicts, poverty and unemployment, and this has inadvertently contributed to the hike in non-communicable diseases (NCDs) such as diabetes, hypertension and heart diseases.
    'People may not commit suicide in the traditional way, but many people are committing suicide by how they eat and by overstressing themselves.' said Dr Hill 'Looking at it in a broad way, stress contributes to an increased desire to eat for relief, because foods that are high in sugar and even fat cause an increase in dopamine in the brain, and that can give a sensation of pleasure,' noted the consultant psychiatrist who has more than 40 years experience in the field.
    He added: 'Sugar is almost as addictive as cocaine and the fact is that manufacturers of fast food and processed foods put sugar in these processed foods. Some of them are more obvious, like soft drinks and ice cream and cakes and pastries and all of these things. But you have other types of foods where you wouldn't expect to see sugar, but if you look closely, you'll see that sugar is there.'

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  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    ”Gollum ... Psychological transference, of attributing your own attributes to others. https: //medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Transference+(psychology)
    A statement against interest is a statement made by a person which places them in a less advantageous position than if they had not made the statement and is, as a consequence, deemed credible as evidence against them.
    “The Relevance of Intention in Argument Evaluation Charlotte Jørgensen
    Over the last decades, the notion of intentionality has been challenged from various theoretical perspectives within rhetoric and argumentation.”(the action or process of reasoning systematically in support of an idea, action, or theory: lines of argumentation used to support his thesis.)
    “The major consequence of the responsibility condition is that the speaker, because he is answerable for what he has said, may be deemed to act as if he were sincere – whether he actually is sincere or not. FOR OUR PURPOSES, IT IS WHAT THE SPEAKER CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT COUNTS, NOT WHAT HE PRIVATELY THINKS.”
    So psychologically if there is no evidence about you claim, then by the same theory it says everything about yourself. Moreover, within rhetoric and argumentation you are also accountable.
    Since these fields of Arts, science, law, and medicine all point to you as being the only party that is mea culpa of what you accuse others. No proof no truth.
    “Those who are not incapable of appreciating great cuisine” The only things you have demonstrated is as an active troll and flamer. Those fitting such niches of language. “The word tosser describes a person with a tendency to show off or brag in an excessive and embarrassing way”, “plonker: [expression] A usenet term for someone whose postings are not worth reading ”,

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  • DemonTree

    Chicureo, your descriptions of food are very tempting. I think a cooking show would be better than a restaurant; you only have to make each meal once and you're showing off a certain lifestyle as much as the food.

    Normally I like to experiment with cooking, but right now we are sticking to simple things. Sadly there is nothing growing in the garden, due to the house move, and I don't have time to work on it now - the baby is queen of the house and she has two devoted slaves. We took her out in the garden today since it was a beautiful sunny day, and now she is sleeping peacefully. One benefit of the virus is the enforced working from home, so we both get to spend time with her.

    When I visited Argentina no one even mentioned those pesky islands, so at least most people there have the sense not to scare off the tourists. Can only assume the internet is attracting the radical and crazy as usual.

    Pugol-H, my grandfather-in-law was stationed in Cyprus in about the early 60s, and has lots of stories. They also moved around with their kids, to Germany and NI. Sounds like your parents went a bit farther afield? Must be a hard life, having to start again every few years in a new place. I went to a tiny village school until the age of 11, with only 2 teachers and 2 classes for all the different ages. Very different, everyone knew everyone, and not much choice of company.

    As for Gollum, I suspect he may have Aspergers syndrome or something similar. His exclusive interest in law would fit, as would his inability to understand the difference between a court case, a formal debate, and a normal conversation.

    Gollum
    “The word tosser describes a person with a tendency to show off or brag in an excessive and embarrassing way.” Urban Dictionary: tosser

    Conclusive proof you're not British, since you don't know what it means. Tosser.

    But I have to say, 'Advocator of the Avocado' is actually quite good. It aliterates, it's accurate, and it's original. All unusual for you.

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo

    Last night’s meal was not as ‘sophistiqué’ as yours…the lockdown is to blame, so we had rice ‘n beans, with a fried egg on top…on the upside, opened a Santa Helena’s Vernus, Syrah, 2013…from Aconcagua Valley….presume where Viña Errazuriz, ‘n your farm, are.
    But back to the wine – descended like velvet, with a certain piquancy…was damned good….the bad news is, was my last bottle of Vernus.

    Yep, Easter's a time of ‘inner reflection’, to be at peace with the world, but Gollum’s a head case…his nastiness as he lashes out in ‘blind rage’ is obvious...even provides medical definitions to back up his assault - on peace-loving guys like us – but completely misses the target…poor, smelly creature.

    Pugol-H

    My ability to eat good food is far greater than to prepare it….as a bachelor, learned the basics, but devoured lots of sandwiches, fruit & ice-cream….and beer. If I wanted something better than my own “cuisine” I’d have to go to the club, but on Saturday nights, after rugby, our destination was always a good restaurant.
    In later years, had to compensate for the slower metabolism, which now my wife takes care of….nothing fancy, just simple, tasty, healthy meals, with plenty antioxidant, in liquid form.

    Had good friends (retired) who lived in New Jersey, USA, ‘n every November, through February, would take off for Florida…winter in NJ/NY, as in Montreal can be miserable, making you long for warm, sunny weather.
    Been to the UK several times, and was impressed by the grey skies and lack of sunlight.

    “Mi compadres en Argentina es AngloArgentinos. 'A foot in both worlds' ”...Having been born in BA, I have to agree. The Anglos in Argentina and Brazil have a better understanding of different cultures.

    I spent some time in Africa as well…based in Lagos, used to make regular calls on customers all over the west coast, and a few in the southern Sahara ...in Burkina Faso (then, Alto Volta), Mali, Niger. Was REALLY different, 'n a great experience.

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  • Chicureo

    DemonTree, Good to see you're keeping focused on what's really important right now. A garden can always be planned on paper. Getting sufficient sleep is now a luxury and ...forget those late morning slumbering in bed experiences on lazy weekends...

    My current honorific title was from the same idiot that thought it also was insulting to accuse me as a campesino... The Canadian is not the sharpest knife in the drawer...

    Jack, I've haven't sampled anything from Viña Santa Helena and the accolades on the Internet about the Vernus Syrah is impressive. Wine is always best appreciated with simple dishes, as we're doing tonight.

    My vivacious and normally festive bride has all day been depressed and reticent about not celebrating with our family tomorrow. She's assigned me the meal preparation for tomorrow as she's lost all interest in preparing anything.

    We've actually opened a third bottle of the Bo, which is outstanding — to accompany simply garlic toast for this evening. (We have lots of French sourdough bread right now.)

    To get a sense of the circle of friends that Madame constantly interacts in relation to haute cuisine, the late Veronica Blackburn was her close mentor (also the designer and supplier of our kitchen in Chicureo) https://www.ed.cl/estilo-de-vida/articulos/veronica-blackburn-1949-2015/ (Twice Madam was on her cooking show, regarding classic French food.)

    Entertaining family and friends is her gran joie de vivre... This evening she's looking like a wilted magnolia blossom...

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  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “I suspect he may ...” The only thing certain is that you would be pirouetting in to ingratiate yourself, proving that your descriptive title is spot on.
    “Conclusive proof...” That I am by making sure I have verification
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tosser

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  • Chicureo

    Jack

    Interesting what I see on the Internet. (Selected quotes) Venus is from the VSPT Wine Group, the second largest exporter of Chilean wine and one of the country’s top three producers in the industry, leading the market in the sales of fine wines.

    VSPT Wine Group is comprised of six Chilean and two Argentinean wineries: San Pedro, Tarapacá, Leyda, Santa Helena, Misiones de Rengo and Viña Mar in Chile, and La Celia and Graffigna in Argentina.

    The ownership of VSPT Wine Group is 83,01% CCU (The largest beer producer in Chile. 12,5% to Yanghe Destillery Co. and 4,49% by minority shareholders.
    VSPT Wine Group has 5,335 hectares planted, 4,270 in Chile and 1,065 in Argentina.

    Sourdough garlic bread is really outstanding when it's heavy on the garlic and herbed butter...

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  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo

    Had no idea that Santa Helena belonged to a group such as VSPT, a merger of such highly-reputed/ well-known wineries.
    San Pedro de Yacochuya has some fantastic wines, as so does Leyda.

    During my short stint in the wine business, 10 years ago, we had a friend who was a Customs officer in Santos, and one day he informed us that a container full of contraband from Argentina had been apprehended, and amongst the goods were quite a few cases of San Pedro de Yacochuya, Malbec, as well as Torrontés. Despite being ‘slightly’ irregular, he said he could have the wine sent to us (before being separated for auction, as was normal procedure) if we were willing to pay half the market price, in cash. Didn’t think twice, ordered a case of each….it was /is absolutely fantastic, and a joint venture between Marcos Etchart (presumably the Arnaldo Etchart family, maker of the first Torrontés I ever had, in 1969, I think) and Michel Rolland (the travelling oenologist).

    In the 70s, at the club, best wines available were Santa Helena and Concha & Toro, and that’s how my passion for wine started.

    Used to buy Graffigna Centenário G by the case in the early 2000s. Can’t remember where I first tried it, but consumed quite a lot of it – great with a ‘bife de chorizo’ - as a bottle shop round the corner from our offices would deliver it to our cars in the garage. Just had to make sure they didn’t put it in the wrong car, as they did once.

    Currently a good friend of ours, brings in a Chilean wine, called Telmo & Ruth, a cab. sauv/merlot blend. It is unpretentious, but different, with a cherry and caramel/vanilla mouth, with a persistent end. Made by Viña Tinajas, in the Maule valley - probably quite cheap in Chile.

    Looks like Veronica Blackburn was quite a lady, travelled and an appreciator of good things, something which has rubbed off on Madam Lefarge.

    Ah, just a side note, as unimportant as its subject : looks like Dr. Gollum is in a bad mood again.

    Apr 12th, 2020 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    It's an unusual Easter Sunday here, like I imagine yours. The first Autumn rain has finally arrived which was greatly needed. An extended drought was feared by everyone in agriculture so this is a welcomed blessing...

    Appreciate your comments especially about the wine. Sadly I've never sampled anything by Graffigna and I will someday look into the Telmo & Ruth by Viña Tinajas, that I've never heard of, but always open to learn about different producers.

    Also, as I mentioned, found it amusing when it was suggested “television program”, because Madame idolized and collaborated with the renowned late Veronica Blackburn. She was Madame's almost adoptive mother, who completely designed/ furnished our kitchen in Chicureo. (This remains Madame's favorite shop: https://www.blackburn.cl/collections/utensilios-cocina )

    My partner refused to get out our bed until noon. I prepared a simple brunch: a Franco-Chilean homage to the classic Jewish bagel-lox-creamcheese with an sourdough bread, smoked salmon and Philadelphia creamcheese alternative.

    Although a bit of travesty, I mixed mimosas with another bottle of Bo which was completely emptied... ...Madame inquired how many bottles we still had remaining and I answered three, of which she suggested I chill them all...

    As Madame is melancholically uninterested in the kitchen, I've decided to combine a few slices of smoked ham, eggs, sliced sourdough bread, butter, creamy goat pimento cheese and confectioners' sugar to put together a batch of truly decadent Monte Cristo sandwiches for tonight.

    I can easily predict with total confidence that this sandwich will beautify pair with any méthode champenoise...

    ¡Salud!

    Apr 12th, 2020 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    “Was insulting to accuse me as a campesino.” What a liar if it was true you'd be able to show where.
    You have an inferiority complex and it is fully justified.
    Someone said that you are not fit to sleep with pigs. I stuck up for the pigs
    Save your breath, you'll need it to blow up your date
    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    Looks like you're finally getting the picture, that I go toe to toe. Strike at me be prepared to take a few on the chin in return.
    “Remember to kiss Long-Dong goodnight” Then I'd be just like you transferee, for now I'll just take your word for it. If I want to insult someone I'm bit more creative than you.
    ”Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.” From Wikipedia
    Can you die of constipation? I am a little concerned how full of shit you are.
    I wouldn't want you to think I wasn't paying attention, but frankly I've had more interesting bowel movements.
    This is no battle of wits between you and me. I never pick on an unarmed man.
    You are a man who always sticks by his convictions. You will remain a fool no matter how much you get ridiculed for it!

    Apr 12th, 2020 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo,
    Yeah, this Easter is being a bit unusual. About a week tried to buy some Easter eggs from a favourite supplier, online, just to find they were completely sold out....so it's gonna have to be dark chocolate bars.

    On the good side, tonight's dinner is an oven cooked bacalhau (salted cod fish), with onions, potato, bell peppers (all 3 colours), carrots, black olives, pepper, and a good coating of olive oil....delicious !!!....and am looking for a rosé wine to combine....as have run out of 'champenoise'...

    My wife usually goes crazy in NY's kitchen utensil shops...always finds something new.

    Another thing that is unusual, is having to put up with an idiot like Dr. Gollum during this Easter weekend.....but on the other hand, his aggressive, deranged rants have become the only, but usual thing to expect from him....
    he is so bloody supercilious, boring, repetitive and predictable, it would be sickening if one were to take any of his garbage seriously.
    His above rant reminds me of one of his stupid posts (‘stupid’ is redundant – everything he sends is stupid) from last week, about an article in the Boston Globe, on the coronavirus…it was just a journalist's opinion, but he gobbled it up and thought someone would be interested.
    Anyone who read his bs, would think he’s a medical expert…not to mention his self-proclaimed expertise in the fields of Law, Basements and Darkness, Stenches, Brazilian toilets, Brazilian Military Command in Haiti, and Bolsonaro’s private life.

    Oops, have to go, dinner’s ready !

    Have a great Easter !

    Apr 12th, 2020 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “His aggressive, deranged rants” You mean like you in these:
    Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil… Oct 31, 2015 ... take you fairy dress off and start fondling your dolls.” “Rousseff pledges … put on your new dress, be gay and frolic, and you might even manage to get yourself reamed.”; “Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil …Nov 05th, 2015 - 05:19 pm. ..your inflatable dolls never complain when you can't get the wrinkes out of your limp noodle, is what gives you this impression... they just fart when you squeeze them..”: “Desperate for funds Jan 20th, 2016 - 03:12 pm ..why don't you pull Long-Dong Silver out of your closet”

    Apr 12th, 2020 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack

    I have to smile with your comment: “my wife usually goes crazy in NY's utensil shops...”

    This is actually what Madame LeFarge sourced from Veronica Blackburn when we built our home in Chicureo: https://www.lacanche.com/Kitchen-ranges/Piano.php?fourneaux=cluny1400d#cluny1400d

    If Gollum was a human, I belive he would be the “Joe Exotic” or one of the other bizarre characters in the Netflix Tiger King series...

    Apr 13th, 2020 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, Psychological Transferee, & Nasty Little Pervert
    ”Remember to kiss Long-Dong goodnight” I thought struck, me as to who or what is this you're babbling about? So I googled it. Lo and behold, now you've exposed as to how you have been spending your recreational time, you nasty little pervert Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, & Psychological Transferee
    If you weren't a narcissist, but then you are.
    How to Deal with Narcissists
    www.scienceofpeople.com/how-to-deal-with-narcissists/https://www.scienceofpeople.com/how-to-deal-with-narcissists/
    What is a narcissist? A narcissism is a mental health condition characterized by an inflated sense of self worth, an excessive need for admiration and attention, and a history of making choices to benefit themselves, along with a lack of empathy for the people that choice might hurt.. However, behind this confidence in people with narcissistic personality disorder, is a fragile self-esteem.

    Apr 13th, 2020 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So Madame Lafarge has been on a cooking show! Cool. Shows you're not exaggerating the quality of her cooking. It's weird seeing such an English-sounding name as Veronica Blackburn with an accent on it, though.

    Shame the two of you couldn't celebrate Easter with your family as usual, Chicureo. You still managed an interesting meal though, and Jack's sounds good too. Is bacalhau Portuguese? I made pasta in tomato sauce with sausages, green pepper and mushrooms and various spices. Not complicated but it turned out well. Luckily we both bought Easter eggs before the lockdown. We also had an epic thunderstorm last night, ending the warm sunny weather of the last few weeks. Bet the government is praying for rain now to keep people inside their houses, it's a shame that it's been so beautiful when we're not allowed to enjoy it.

    Hope you both had as good an Easter as possible!

    Apr 13th, 2020 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Chicureo
    Veronica Blackburn : Professional appliances....nice ! and must make cooking easier. By the look of it, Madam takes full advantage of them.

    What ? Gollum pretends he didn't know who Long Dong Silver is (or was, dunno)? Another lie, because he has a lifesize poster of him hanging over his matress, in his basement. Makes me laugh...
    What Gollum doesn't realize is that when he writes, the whiskers on the back of his neck must stand up, and he growls while trying to express himself...all this anger, 'blind rage'....
    While I, take it easy and just laugh while I tell the truth about him... you can't take his bs seriously.
    Ah, I forgot one thing that Gollum is also an expert on :- human psychology....hope he can forgive me.

    DT
    Bacalhau is the name given to a fish called “Gadus Morhua”, which is dried and salted...thus becoming 'bacalhau' .....the fish is commonly referred to as being 'cod', but it isn't 100% correct.....anyway, you don't find 'bacalhau ' swimming in the ocean....but yes, the dish is of Portuguese origin, and can be prepared in a hundred ways....very tasty and light.
    Easter was great, tks.

    Apr 13th, 2020 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Jack Bauer Proof less, Truth less, & Psychological Transferee
    “He didn't know who Long Dong Silver is” I certainly didn't Ollie, and you most certainly did. Which means you must have some interest, to have acquired the knowledge. I can't say playing in the gutter had any particular appeal to me. But, it is all the more remarkable him surfacing as a result of your thoughts entirely. Thus, confirming the accuracy of my claim of your psychological transference, or projection. So thanks for the confirmation and insight. So all is revealed, what a dipshit.

    Apr 13th, 2020 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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