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“I can't breathe” chant favela residents in Rio protesting crimes committed by police against black people

Tuesday, June 2nd 2020 - 09:02 UTC
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Hundreds of demonstrators converged on the square in front of the Rio de Janeiro state government palace Sunday, protesting crimes committed by the police against black people in the Brazilian city’s poor neighborhoods, known as favelas. Read full article

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  • Enrique Massot

    Not surprising that the police is acting as freely as any group of thugs -- they won't risk anything while current president Jair Bolsonaro remains in office.

    Jun 03rd, 2020 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Has anyone else noticed how a Canadian resident of Latin heritage — continuously viciously criticizes the freely democratically elected presidents of Brazil and Chile yet fails to remain completely silent about the human tragedy occurring in Venezulea.

    And as we are witnessing here in the Americas — the wise progressive liberal governance of New York City, you can understand why some of us value enforcement of laws legislated by the people.

    Here is an interesting footnote to the underprivileged natives of our seeking social injustice economic reparation: https://disrn.com/news/nyc-looters-pull-up-in-350000-rolls-royce-to-ransack-store

    ¡VIVA LA REVOLUTIÓN!

    Jun 03rd, 2020 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Shicuréo...
    You should really try to take example from that Canadian resident of Latin heritage...
    A bit of Frog silence says more than three trillon Anglo words...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ700Ws3iYU
    Capisce...?



    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ700Ws3iYU

    Jun 03rd, 2020 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Brilliant answer to a problematic question!

    There is strong speculation that he's actually Castro's son...

    Anyway, I'm still impressed that RR makes a SUV...

    ¡Salud!

    Jun 03rd, 2020 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    No..., no..., no...!!!
    Fidel las prefería jovenes..., rubias lacias..., cuicas y en uniforme de colegio caro...

    https://assets.radioagricultura.cl/2019/10/Captura-Instagram-Ignacia-Allamand.png

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Would it be fair to say that Fidel had a powerful effect upon women that were attracted to him resulting in a large number of children? He certainly lived life to his fullest, and was beloved by his people to the very end.

    https://nyulocal.com/new-world-university-justin-trudeau-is-fidel-castros-son-bccf01403a86

    I'm still fascinated with that RR SUV...

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & the Spam King
    “criticizes the freely democratically elected president ...” Hardly.
    “How the United States killed Brazil’s Democracy. Again.
    Brazil’s recent history is one of national sabotage, ... It is a story of an independent, sovereign country, transformed almost silently into a satellite of the United States.
    Rousseff recently remarked that just a decade ago, a period when her country’s GDP overtook the United Kingdom’s, “…Brazil manufactured aircraft, ships and oil platforms. Today it cannot manufacture disposable masks”.
    On March 12 2020, nine months after the original leaks, the Intercept finally published further conversations revealing how United States Department of Justice was illegally involved in Operation Lava Jato from the very beginning, operating in secret – at the behest of the U.S. agents – and deliberately bypassing the Brazilian Government. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
    Operation Lava Jato, and not the bogeyman of corruption it was supposed to eradicate, bears principal responsibility for Brazil’s current plight. The sabotage of Lula’s candidacy required intervention by head of the Armed Forces, General Villas Boas, with a veiled, televised threat, which swung the Supreme Court away from granting Lula habeas corpus by a single vote. As a result, former Military Captain Jair Bolsonaro was elected president, and Lava Jato Judge Sérgio Moro, who put him there, was appointed his Justice and Security Minister.
    http://www.brasilwire.com/how-the-united-states-killed-brazils-democracy-again/
    ”Rumor has it that ...“
    The loony right also accused Pierre Trudeau paddling a canoe from the Keys to Cuba over 100Kms that's why you're called ”wingnuts”.

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I assume the subterrian Canadian resident of questionable heritage somehow is confusing my nationality as a part of his imagined conspiracy in subverting Brazilian democracy. As far as Pierre being cuckolded by Justin's mère passionnée, it's only innocent speculation — although she did spend an interesting rendezvous with the charming leader.

    There are many photographs of them together on the Internet...

    I find the canoe paddling account as plausible as “wing nuts” as our Canadian commentator certainly is himself.

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & the Spam King
    I assume 'the freely democratically elected president' is of questionable speculation as the article shows it was a rigged election.
    “of them together on the Internet...” So there is absolutely no authenticity, that being the case I'll file it under 'fake news.' Thanks for revealing how you spend your recreational time, besides drinking.
    “I find the canoe ...” “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”― Oscar Wilde

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Continuation from the closed thread.

    DemonTree

    Thanks for the link, which I watched and was intrigued because the interviewer never allowed Icke fully explain his lizard conspiracy theorem. I found another Icke video, which I found really fascinating to listen to: https://youtu.be/8EKuqqX6qKA

    He certainly has a brilliant way of expressing complex thought and although you may feel like he's leading you down into the rabbit hole is intriguing.

    It's interesting the Americans are now completely abandoning social distancing.
    This will not help controlling the pandemic.

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well..., Shicuréo..., I can see that age is pushing you deeper into the terraplanismo depths...
    Good thing that you have a missus that strictly controls your deviant tendencies...

    Btw..., What a Engrish Royal uglyness that RR SUV is...!
    Gime a Spaghetti Rambo Lambo anytime...!

    https://static.cargurus.com/images/forsale/2020/05/21/00/55/1989_lamborghini_lm002-pic-7705133671367760947-1024x768.jpeg?io=true&width=640&height=480&fit=bounds&format=jpg&auto=webp

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    You know the founder made excellent tractors and only started making his automobiles after getting into an argument with Enzo Ferrari. Today, Lamborghini is owned by VW and is a play-toy for innocents misreckoning the the cost of scheduled maintenance. (Those Pirelli tires on the Lamborghini are probably easily over $2K each.)

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo
    I love the way he just looks the interviewer in the eye and says yes, he does believe in shape shifting lizards. But I hate it when people (mis)use words and concepts from science to try and justify their personal brand of woo. Yes, the world is full of things we can't see, walls are not really solid, and a flavour or colour does not exist outside your own head. But there's still a reality behind it. You can't see x-rays but you can expose photographic film to an x-ray source and see your broken bone, you can turn on your microwave oven and your food gets hot. That flavour is created by a collection of chemicals at certain concentrations, and the colour is your brain's way of representing a certain wavelength of light. And knowing the wall is mostly empty space doesn't allow you to walk through it. (Also, he's wrong about sound, it isn't an 'electromagnetic disturbance', it's a pressure wave in air or another medium.)

    Those words may sound profound, but if there's no effect on the world, it's essentially meaningless. This video accurately expresses my view:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtYkyB35zkk

    Jun 04th, 2020 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Outstanding! Minchen's poetic discourse reminds me of the poetry of EE Cummings a hundred years ago, as if the author was alive today with a microphone...

    Very enjoyable to listen, and perhaps what many of us feel when at an impromptu dinner party, with a “Storm” type is ranting about ridiculous assertions and you've had too much wine ...and give her a piece of your mind!

    ...then you catch the narrow sharp eyes of your companion and realize she'll

    Jun 05th, 2020 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Looks like you got cut off half way. Fortunately I don't meet too many Storms, and I'm usually able to restrain myself in real life. But my companion is just as likely to rant about them as me.

    What about when you encounter a conspiracy theorist at a dinner party? ;)

    Jun 05th, 2020 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Draw them out into the open, get them to elaborate fully on what they believe, ask polite, enquiring question to confirm points, seem genuinely interested, then start slowly, deliberately, calmly un-picking usually by Pointing out the more than obvious flaws/contradictions.

    Jun 05th, 2020 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree Pugol-H

    Texting last night on my smartphone, I inadvertently sent without finishing.

    PH, Agree with your wise strategy, but you fail to factor how sometimes being cascaded upon with ridiculously imbecilic nonsense — in vino veritas — my lamentable outrage results in the volatile mercurial post-disposition of my partner.

    My Chileana-Catalan-Occitane marieé enchanteresse, who thrives amongst her expansive eclectic community — whom I normally strive to behave as the docile domesticated half, but I'm also justified in fearing her wrath when je was vais hors limites. (In fairness, she's always kept her composure during all the past countless excruciating insipid naval receptions.)

    The two adventuresome ladies have returned to Chicureo and my assistant farm manager has resigned for the ski season to soon assume a public relations position with Valle Nevado. Although the management is Chilean, it has a strong relationship with Campagnie des Alpes and our youngest, besides being beautiful and charming — also is le françes courant.

    Before they obtained a special resident salvoconducto from the La Parva Carabineros so they'll easily have no problem returning under the strict quarantine travel restrictions. (Yesterday's COVID19 statistics included 87 deaths in the past 24 hours, out of a sad 1,275 total.)

    Tomorrow afternoon, I plan returning as well to our main gypsy encampment with two kitchen cabinet doors for her critical examination and approval of the desired finish. I'm also returning with 20 cases of Viña Arboleda. The wine industry is in a current fierce competitive liquidation for a severely constricted market. (If you factor that the typical approximate cost of a quality cork: US$1.50 + bottle $1.50 + label $0.50 alone they're practically giving their product away.)

    Chile was the most per capita economically prosperous LA country, but the residential real estate market here has collapsed and people are abandoning their leased automobiles.

    Jun 05th, 2020 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    **” le franç(ais) courant.”**...
    Âne... ;-)))

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Et tu, Brute?

    You know exactly how Madame DeFarge wields a stick when her jackass brays...

    ...pray for this stubborn beast as he embarks from the beautiful solace of Panquehue for trotting south to the land of cuicos...

    ...one little forgiving Teutonic friend awaits, who never corrects my “français”...

    Some interesting facts I learned last night:

    My blood group A is 50% more susceptible to be infected by this virus.

    The Lancet medical journal has retracted its negative report on hydrochloroquine.

    The COVID19 several virus variants seem to be progressively weaker.

    Typical masks don't protect you, but will help reduce coughing/sneezing infected individuals from spreading the virus. Frequently wash your hands with common soap is far more effective.

    Wearing a mask in public will save jackasses for getting a beating from social justice enforcers as well as protect your identification when you loot and burn in the streets.

    As of this morning Chile reports 122K confirmed cases, with 1,448 deaths out of 17 million inhabitants... You do the math and make your own conclusion...

    ¡VIVA LA REVOLUTIÓN y SALUD!

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Just trying to help you..., mate
    ...

    I don't want la Lita and the two smaller Lititas picking on your french..., cashái...?

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    No, I don't understand apparently nothing...

    Picking up on the earlier story about an irritable woman named stormy — aptly describes the Coming Storm I'm facing as that I've been ordered, not politely asked — nor giving me any choice — but ORDERED to go through my annual physical including a ridiculous stress test, before being allowed ascending to the new apartment.

    I told her that I'd make an appointment with the naval hospital in Valparaiso when conditions permit and she informed me that I already have an appointment at the Clinica Alemana Monday morning!

    I tried to explain that every hospital is a hotbed of virtual infection, but the fierce obstinate woman might as well be planning my funeral.

    I'm driving back to the farm — before Monday morning! I take back any former sweet-soft lovely misdescription of Madam DeFarge...

    Maybe I'll take my loyal Teutonic friend with me this time.

    And you THINK, how goes it in Chubut?

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Pugol-H
    Does it ever work? All the real hard-core conspiracy theorists I've seen have been completely resistant to facts and logic - it's much like talking to the Terry Bot.

    Chicureo
    Your Carabineros are pretty generous with handing out those salvoconductos. Round here ministers have been forced to resign for visiting their holiday homes.

    Luckily for me my blood group O is considered the least susceptible to the virus. I was reading about that dodgy study a couple of days ago, apparently the data came from some tiny US company who could not possibly have obtained it in the time available.

    According to our government, the point of wearing masks is to reduce infected people spreading the virus before they realise they are infected. They think this mode of transmission is why it spread so fast compared to similar viruses.

    Also, the guy in charge of Sweden's virus response said that in hindsight more should have been done and too many people had died.

    Good luck attending the hotbed of coronavirus infection. I'm really surprised any hospital is allowing non-urgent appointments.

    If you enjoyed the Storm video you may also like this one:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “it's much like talking to the Terry” Aha more echos from ... You are a really primitive troll, One more that infests this forum........then I suppose the other ones must be you and your mates. judging by all the droppings you leave around this must be the internet cave you all live in.
    ”When the anticorruption-crusading justice minister quit this year, criticizing President Jair Bolsonaro on his way out, a tsunami of invective washed over social media, calling him a communist, a traitor, a crook. When the social distance-championing health minister contradicted Bolsonaro on coronavirus containment, claims that he was corrupt went viral. When the congressional president condemned Bolsonaro’s dismissal of the pandemic, a barrage of hashtags labeled him the enemy of Brazil.
    It has long been a fact of political life here that virtually anyone who criticizes Bolsonaro — from the powerful to everyday journalists — draws overwhelming and coordinated digital smears. What’s not known is who has been behind the violent and bigoted imagery, the fabricated correspondence, the outright lies.
    But now investigators and prominent politicians are charging that some, if not much, of the disinformation is being generated not in the Internet’s nether reaches, but by those closest to Bolsonaro — friendly bloggers, wealthy businessmen, close aides and even his own children. Critics have called it the “office of hate.”
    As Brazil’s challenges multiply, Bolsonaro’s fans call for a military takeover
    His son Eduardo, who has been accused of spreading fake news, took the rhetoric further. The federal senator, who has wondered publicly whether the military will need to take over the country, warned of a “rupture” and a “broader conflict.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/brazil-bolsonaro-fake-news-coronavirus/2020/06/03/60194428-a4de-11ea-898e-b21b9a83f792_story.html

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Good timing, TerryBot. I've got one for Think, too:

    Argentines' worst nightmare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

    Do you believe the earth is flat, Terry? How about 911? D'you think the planes were holograms? And were the explosives placed by the CIA or Mossad?

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Shicureo...

    As I once wrote to you... your former sweet-soft lovely misdescriptions of Madam DeFarge..., almost made me long after some marital yoke...

    You taking them back now..., after that relatively light encounter with the feminine ways..., puts those longings in their rightful place...

    In comparation..., two of my male grandsons thought a couple of years ago that it would be a good idea if I took a medical before starting our planned trek that involved 11 passes over 5.000 meters and 3 peaks over 6.500...
    I said...: “later”..., they understood...

    Chubut..., almost as small as “Great Britain” is fine and healthy... Twelve (12) Covid19 cases..., 0 fatal cases...

    Great fishing and hunting this year..., them dogs don't make any fuzz as long as there is someting to eat and the widows are to afraid of that virus to visit... ;-)

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    Completely agree with your correct thoughts and opinion, but actually (despite the news you may read) the private clinics here are all well below capacity and medical appointments are easy to schedule. (Most the confirmed-infected are convalescing at home.)

    I've made it clear l'm not taking a (especially a stress test) medical exam at the height of the pandemic. The relentless woman is like negotiating with a terrorist!

    Despite the emergency, the government has not shut down the city, and it is possible to obtain a temporary transit salvoconducto. (Last weekend, over 30K vehicles were recorded leaving Santiago alone.)

    It is however difficult to manage a regular salvoconducto certificate to the village of La Parva — however, a nice cordial feminine conversation with the attending Carabinero will accomplish much. She hasn't attempted acquiring the same for Viña, nor does she have one like mine as an essential worker to the farm.

    Thanks for sharing the humorous observation by Tim Minchin about the trials and even defamatory prejudice of being a minority. (My son is also a ginger.)

    As THINK will confirm — I'm an outcast of my own rapidly shrinking cuico native tribe, within our mestizo hispanic ethnicity.

    Meanwhile our northern Americas natives (former majority) ethnic tribe is learning about the new awareness in multicultural encounters using (like the talented Minchin) — communicating through music their sincere feelings about oppression: https://youtu.be/Zu1jXUE0eys

    Forgive my political incorrectness, I'm currently at a cafe in San Felipe waiting for three marvelous new variety nectarine trees to accompany my return to Chicureo. The weather is absolutely beautiful, but I'm heading south to 'The Gathering Storm'...

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “Good timing ...” Aha more echos from ...” from the trusty follower, and further droppings.

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo
    Glad to hear things aren't as bad as all that in Chile, but I'm still surprised the government hasn't reserved all capacity just in case. Here most consultations have been happening by telephone, unless completely unavoidable. Allowing people to leave Santiago seems like a good way to spread the disease around the country... wouldn't it be better to implement a stricter lockdown, like your trans-Andean neighbour?

    I'm guessing gingers are rare in Chile? Good thing it's not your daughter, you'd have to ward Think off with a shotgun. What did you think of the other video? Probably the entire country of Argentina would implode within the day if there were no more steaks. Think supports the black-bloks, but a vaca-blok would be a step too far. :D

    CopyPaste Bot
    When are you going to give me another title, huh? Chicureo, the pround Avocador of the Avocado is way ahead.

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    I appreciate your update that all is well and calm in Chubut.

    I'm on my third café turco and serving of delicious Palestinian pastry waiting for two damn kitchen cabinet doors from the cabinet maker. The sun is rapidly dropping, but it's only about a 55 minute drive.

    My friend has delivered the three proprietary protected California nectarine trees for planting along with a brochure about them:

    * Midnight Edition: yellow-flesh nectarines with a dark, speckled exterior color, available mid-November through January;
    * Twilight Edition: white-flesh nectarines with frosted fuchsia skin, available late-November through January; and
    * Sunrise Edition: yellow-flesh nectarines with rose red to deep berry skin, available early-January through February.

    Stay well and avoid those dangerous amorous widows...

    DemonTree

    Just Santiago is 7 million, so 30K is reasonably small. Plus, people are ready to revolt. (I'm referring especially to the lower income which have been economically harmed the most.)

    It's hard to fathom, but all the private clinics (hospitals) here are well below operating capacity. Public and military hospitals are also with high excess capacity as scheduled procedures are delayed, and people anyway are avoiding visits because of fear.

    Chile has apparently past the peak of the pandemic wave.

    You really offended and confused Gollum with your insensitive militant cow video, l expect he'll be undderly unhappy...


    ¡Salud!

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo
    Here in Socialist Europe the government took over all private hospital capacity in March, either to treat Covid cases or deal with other emergencies. However, they have started releasing them as the peak of the pandemic has passed.

    Is it really the lower income people who are desperate to leave Santiago for a trip to the countryside? I would think that opening up shops, restaurants etc would do much more to restore income than allowing travel between regions.

    Gollum is busy googling to find blogs saying the cows in Brazil use a little waste basket to dispose of toilet paper... he has a lot of experience cleaning up bullshit, because he produces so much of it himself.

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    Aha, I see the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again
    “has a lot of experience cleaning up bullshit” Oh dear, unfortunately you can't show one such instance. No proof, no truth, so the only thing you have proved is you, yourself are a liar.
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan
    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” ― Socrates

    Jun 06th, 2020 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Why are you still repeating that quote after I showed you Socrates never said it?

    Jun 07th, 2020 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    It is the words themselves that are true, as you and your cabal have proved time, and time again.
    Whether either Socrates said it or not is incidental, as I have stated before.

    Jun 07th, 2020 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    So stop attributing the quote to Socrates, then. It's dishonest now you know he didn't say it.

    Jun 07th, 2020 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “It's dishonest now you know” Since we don't know with an absolute certainty either way, and that I again have previously so indicated. While in the meantime, you are free to object to the authorship. Regardless, it's blazingly obvious that you do not dispute the substance, only the form.

    Jun 07th, 2020 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    At what time was your appointment at the Clínica Alemana...?

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    ”The Socratic problem (or Socratic question) is a term used in historical scholarship concerning attempts at reconstructing a historical and philosophical image of Socrates based on the variable, and sometimes contradictory, nature of the existing sources on his life.
    That quandary is exacerbated by not only by contradictions, but because the bulk of those accounts were written by Aristotle, who was not born until years after Socrates’ death: Socrates, as we know, wrote nothing
    In various translations of Plato’s Apology of Socrates, Plato characterizes Socrates as describing his opponents’ positions as slanderous. Socrates was quoted by Plato as lamenting the volume of slanderous speech against him in the form of rumor and innuendo. Myriad translations of Plato’s Apology contained extensive reference purportedly by Socrates to slander and slanderers”
    https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-socrates-say-when-debate-is-lost-slander-becomes-the-tool-of-the-losers/
    So is it your preference that the quote should now be attributed to Plato?

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Gollum
    Your own cite says the claim is NOT TRUE. And no, you should not attribute it to Plato either. Try reading the article you cited:

    “none of the translations [of Plato's Apology] contained a quote that quite lined up with the meme”

    “the first iteration of the “when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers” attributed to Socrates we located was from May 2006, on a personal website”

    You may attribute it to Rick Gaber if you like, since he was the earliest source of the quote they could find. If you feel that makes the words less impressive then you are the one who cares about form over substance (as if I didn't know that already).

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    DemonTree the slavish follower aka The Appendage
    “who cares about form over substance” You apparently since you haven't disputed the substance, only the form.

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    I care about the truth. You don't because you continue attributing a quote to someone who never said it. You think the author is more important than what they have to say, you admitted it.

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Comrade Phalangistas- Chicureo, JB & DT
    We have seen an alarming recurrence of the use of socially divisive, highly discriminatory titles by Tel Bot, all loyal party member are reminded of the dangers of such counter-revolutionary, reactionary political actions.

    ¡VIVA LA REVOLUTIÓN!

    Comrade Phalangista- Pugol

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    “A woman, a dog and a walnut tree —the harder you beat them, the better they be” Somehow that proverb has been misinterpreted by Madame Defarge as — un âne obéira comme un chien dressé si une femme le bat à plusieurs reprises avec un bâton... Evil, Mean and Effective...

    I'm an admitted coward, resigned and still harnessed to the marital yoke. Kindly tell me about your “trek that involved 11 passes over 5.000 meters and 3 peaks over 6.500” as I'm intrigued and feel doomed right now.

    I take back my earlier emotional outburst about women on the other thread and should specify it against femmes tyrants français. Frankly, Greta is reaching far above her pay grade, but I have always loved Swedish women. It's an admitted illness...

    I'm still here in the clinic waiting for more of this ridiculous damned defeat, where it looks as though I've met my Waterloo.

    Comrade Phalangista- Pugol

    The subterranean asexual creature has generously given us free license to say anything we desire with the creature's declaration: “Since we don't know with an absolute certainty either way, and that I again have previously so indicated. While in the meantime, you are free to object to the authorship.”

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    I see, a case of “who cares about form over substance” wins, eh.

    Socrates Appreciation Society.

    Tel Bot, experienced Bullshit cleaner upper, cluster f*ck up “n” paste fairy.

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Esteemed Comrade Phalangista- Pugol, Socrates Appreciation Society member


    The subterranean asexual creature has illuminated us here that Plato justifies Socrates slander against opponents whether it's factual or not — and thus generously given us free license (using Gollum's illogical rhetoric) to de jure declare actus reus de facto inter alia ipso facto pro hac vice inter alia declaration that — the name “Terence Hill” can be found in an Internet query as a registered sex-offender in the Canadian Crown Court public records. (This allegation was formerly submitted — much earlier to the Mercopress staff for evaluation and it was allowed to remain stated without deletion or commentary.)

    In the spirit of using the jargon and words of the creature: “Since we don't know with an absolute certainty either way, and that I again have previously so indicated. While in the meantime, you are free to object to the authorship.”

    vincit omnia veritas

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Shicureo...

    We both knew you would be there today..., didn't we...

    Anyhow..., you “have always loved Swedish women”..., you say...
    Meet Gretas mom then., she's a real Swede... (a bit of an Andersen ugly duckling in her teens.., though...)

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xE9Pl3mqRbo

    Enjoy...

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & the Spam King
    “can be found in an Internet query.” There you go, let your inner narcissistic projection out and prove the absolute truth of the assertion “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” You're early, you usually don't get this brave until you've consumed your couple of bottles of plonk, I get it you're drinking earlier.

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    The name of the place is...: HUAYHUASH....

    The lake at the bottom has nice rainbows of about kilo...
    We exchanged some of them to the cook of one organized gringo trek for a three meals full board day with weggies..., fruits and diverse treats...
    Best deal of me life...:-)
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3e/cd/a5/3ecda5dc1d6e7453c522129ec5ff88d4.png




    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3e/cd/a5/3ecda5dc1d6e7453c522129ec5ff88d4.png

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Was it that obvious to you? Saturday evening I arrived to our primary gypsy encampment, pre-rehearsed to logically argue my futile case. And you're astute I was too domesticated to forswear the marital yoke. (Although it chafes, it fits very well around my neck.)

    In argument, it was obvious even my youngest daughter also had rehearsed with Madame and this became a carefully pre-planned coup de grâce to my well founded argument against taking the physical.

    It did not help my argument that Madame had earlier taken her annual physical and I was well past mine due in part to the pandemic.

    Confounding my argument was our private healthcare provider is-in-fact ENCOURAGING clients as a part of their preventative health care campaign to seeing doctors. (A lot of people are refusing to seek examinations which will result is an increase of serious health problems in the future and besides the hype — most private medical people are actually underemployed.)

    Just noting your post: INCREDIBLE the Inca trail of the Huayhuash Circuit which would be really challenging for me.

    Please share more of the adventure as you have me really intrigued.
    (The second link posted the same as first)

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    Chicureo
    I hope your liver passes the test with flying colours.

    Yesterday we took the baby to meet her great-grandparents. Apart from us they're the first people she's seen who aren't medical professionals, she was probably wondering where their masks were. My partner has been sending pictures everyday but they were so happy to finally meet her.

    Greta is technically still a child and unemployed, therefore does not have a pay grade. But as long as you have nothing against petites femmes tyrans anglaise...

    Nice imitation of the useful idiot. There's nothing more pretentious than throwing in unnecessary Latin phrases.

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “Coronavirus infections in Brazil were first restricted to wealthy neighbourhoods and large cities in close contact with international travellers, but experts say, the virus has more recently made its way to poorer and more isolated areas - to devastating effects.
    ”COVID in Brazil came through the penthouse, but nowadays it is going through the dungeons,“ said Ana Maria Malik, a professor at the Faculty of Medicine at the University of Sao Paulo.
    ”The heterogeneity of the country means that people are going to die simply because they are poor or because they live in states where there is no infrastructure,” Malik said during an online panel discussion on Brazil's healthcare last week.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/brazil-coronavirus-fight-200527203202844.html

    Jun 08th, 2020 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    I think your anecdotal comment of your daughter's sweet encounter is one of the many rewards to come.

    The stress test went well and I now have approval to ski to my heart's desire/capacity, but remain wary of the forthcoming ominous liver function biomarkers report.

    I learned that private hospitals are being sparsely used and we've passed the pandemic peak which has been far lower that original estimates. (BTW the government initially ordered the private clinics to reserve 45% capacity, but has retracted as generally people are convalescing at home. I also learned that each identified tested positive are being tracked by their smartphone. I questioned this, but it apparently has been an effective government strategy to manage the crisis.

    I feel like the donkey being allowed shelter back to his stable with aromatic sweet fresh hay for his bedding and apples as a reward. I'm spending another night before returning to see how the pruning and housework goes. Madame did not approve of the cabinet doors... “Quels imbéciles!”

    Last evening was harmonic and satisfying — as ma charmante mariée prepared filet de poisson glacé au beurre citronné accompanied with a '17 Miguel Torres Natureo from Spain (low alcohol) which was not bad as a beverage, but seems to be a part of her new moderate temperance campaign. (I was informed we had 4 cases in the guest bedroom.)

    As I later entered the room to take the cases down to the cellar and encountered Madame's shopping splurge. The skiing gear and clothing as well as the new purchases destined for the apartment I anticipated, but there were acquisitions that were puzzling — such as ten Dyson Air Multiplyer table fans — which I was foolish enough to question Madame why in the Hell were we buying fans during the Winter? (Importer was liquidating stock and our little ones can't injure their inquisitive tiny fingers.)

    I'm enjoying another day here before returning to the farm. The bed of hay here smells wonderful!

    Jun 09th, 2020 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DemonTree

    The baby is sleeping on my lap right now. I should be doing housework but she is so sweet and cuddly I can't bear to put her down.

    Glad to hear you are cleared for skiing, and that the pandemic in Chile is not as bad as feared. (Or as bad as in Brazil, they seem poised to overtake the UK as country with the second highest number of deaths.)

    To give Madame some perspective on the cabinets, you could show her these - they're are in a house for sale which my friends rejected for being entirely too purple:

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/fullscreen/image-gallery.html?propertyId=93116471&photoIndex=6#

    We have put our old house on the market since our buyer is still refusing to continue the purchase, and had 3 viewings so far. The garden has become very overgrown, but it's impossible to sort it out properly; it's remarkable how little free time is left with a baby.

    I agree with Madame's logic on the fans. Winter is the best time to buy them since they invariably sell out as soon as it gets hot. Ten does seem a little excessive though. As for the other purchases, think of it as supporting the economy in this difficult time.

    Jun 09th, 2020 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    DemonTree

    We have passed the pandemic peak and indeed — seeing sunlight at the end of this dreary tunnel, with only 19 deaths recorded in the past 24 hours.

    The Clinica Alemana, in their highly Teutonic efficient manner released their results online and they are stellar — including the dreaded enzyme markers placing my liver condition as completely normal. (I should note that I very rarely use the hard stuff and have never smoked.)

    Attached is a video of myself after learning my enzyme results — with Madame's reaction. https://youtu.be/9BAEJyuReWQ (Actually, I'm unfortunately not as thin as I'm portrayed — but the woman is a dead-ringer for my partner.)

    Sorry to hear your home situation hasn't worked out. I could really never understand the complexity of home ownership in your country, but I do sympathize the legal challenges and nightmares of property title and transfer. Good luck in your new home search. (Hopefully with a garden.)

    We are looking forward to completing the farmhouse kitchen and the bathrooms, but the project will take far-longer than planned. All the cabinetry in San Felipe is going to be transported to the Pudahuel shop of the craftsmen that installed the Poggenpohl unit at the apartment. Then upon recrafting — the cabinets will then be installed at the farm. It all sounds ridiculous, but it will satisfy my partner and I won't have to listen to future complaints.

    Plus, this is the LAST remodeling projects of my lifetime. Thankfully, the new apartment below ours in Viña is well furnished and was decorated by Madame's friend. (It now will become a part of the larger gypsy encampment for our growing family.)

    I don't understand exactly how, but this all seems to be Madame's revenge for being denied our traditional Easter celebration. She is pulling our band together.

    Your anecdote: “it's remarkable how little free time is left with a baby”....your adventure has only begun, like a circus roller-coaster — Hang on and enjoy!

    Jun 09th, 2020 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & the Spam King
    https://en.mercopress.com/2020/06/06/pirralha-blasts-bolsonaro-for-failing-to-manage-the-coronavirus-pandemic/comments#comment509238
    “Jack What do you think ... “Precious” Long Dong Silver and it's bisexual inflatable companion bursting into flame?” Here's what he thinks as all of the nasties you mentioned emanated solely from his disturbed thinking.
    “Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil… Oct 31, 2015 ... take you fairy dress off and start fondling your dolls.” “Rousseff pledges … put on your new dress, be gay and frolic, and you might even manage to get yourself reamed.”; “Unemployment in recession-hit Brazil …Nov 05th, 2015 - 05:19 pm. ..your inflatable dolls never complain when you can't get the wrinkes out of your limp noodle, is what gives you this impression... they just fart when you squeeze them..”: “Desperate for funds Jan 20th, 2016 - 03:12 pm ..why don't you pull Long-Dong Silver out of your closet””
    So don't waste your time trying to attribute his follies to me as I've kept both your histories.

    Jun 10th, 2020 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I just found Terence Hill's English and Latin professor on YouTube giving an emotional video report on the sad situation of her immigrant neighbors practicing discriminatory prejudice against her Americas' native heritage — remarkably using one singular repetitive eloquent synecdoche (M.F.) — that gives me a higher appreciation of Mr. Hill's similar usage of Latin. https://t.co/ouyGBLJeSX

    Breakfast this morning was coffee, sourdough toast and scrambled eggs and smoked crisp bacon with ruby red grapefruit from the garden. (I say this, to remind Mr. Hill that civilization does exist above despite his deterioration into the hideous basement dwelling creature he's become.)

    Remember, avocado on toast will change your life and vastly improve your health!

    Saludos!

    Jun 10th, 2020 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & the Spam King
    Let me guess, you're probably finished easily your first bottle of plonk by now.

    Jun 10th, 2020 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    As I have warned: Take care when quoting widely despised critic, because of his repeated sarcastic commentary...

    According to Plutarch, Cicero reportedly said to one of the soldiers sent to kill him: “There is nothing proper about what you are doing, soldier, but do try to kill me properly.” He then leaned out of his litter (a portable bed/couch) to give them a clear stroke.
    However, if we read the description historian Appian wrote, the beheading didn't go very smoothly.
    “The attendants were terror-struck, thinking that more soldiers were coming, and Laenas, who had actually once won a court case with Cicero's support, pulled his head out of the litter and proceeded to cut it off.
    ”It took three blows and some sawing through the neck because of his inexperience and dull sword, he also cut off the hand with which Cicero had composed the speeches against Anthony, portraying him as a despot.”

    Cicero's severed head and hands were displayed for all to see at the Roman Forum, in a bid to frighten anyone planning to oppose the new government (known as a Triumvirate) led by Octavian, Mark Antony and Lepidus.

    As so far as the repeated usage of Latin, I would disagree with many readers here, because indeed it makes the post reveal the shallow bed of knowledge that the creature tries to convey. ...you know, ex post exlax posteruim de la arse...

    Jun 10th, 2020 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    Chicureo the Advocator of the Avocado, Psychological Transferee, Narcissist, Criminal Libeller, & th
    As for Cicero, no one can refute what he said in the present context, everything else is your superfluous attempt to drag the issue, off topic. So his claim of “We must make a personal attack when there is no argumentative basis for our speech,” still stands unrefuted. In fact, the two fascists and their camp-follower, have more than proved his assertion.

    Jun 10th, 2020 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Soon: https://youtu.be/sNvmPBSxshU

    Jun 11th, 2020 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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