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C24 calls on UK and Argentina to resume sovereignty talks on South Atlantic islands
The United Nations Decolonization Committee, or C24, unanimously approved a resolution on Wednesday calling on the UK and Argentina to resume negotiations, so that in the shortest time possible a peaceful and definitive solution to the sovereignty controversy over the Falkllands, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and adjoining maritime spaces. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSola is a LIAR. All of the Argies I know have no interest in the Falklands and they tell me that this is an over-hyped political ideal chased by the bureaucrats to divert attention from other failings. Argentinians do not want the Falklands and have no interest in any negotiations or conflict.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse +10The United Nations General Assembly has not debated the question of the Falklands since 1988. Meanwhile the C24 Committee has continued to adopt resolutions calling for negotiations between Britain and Argentina. These resolutions are invalid as they make no reference to the Islanders' right to choose their own future. Instead of promoting self-determination the Committee has become a vehicle that is promoting Argentina’s colonial ambitions.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse +8Argies, we want the Falklands, Islanders, you cant have them, end of negotiations
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse +8Dear Argentine Ministers.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse +9UN asks you and UK to sit down and negotiate. You say- we want and will get the Islands.- You clearly have not got the faintest clue of how Modern Democracy and the UN Charter works! You still live in the old Colonial era.
Your idea of a negotiation is just to fix a sovereignty handover date!
Luckily a definitive solution was reached- the referendum in 2013- supervised and signed off as fully democratically done by a group of international politicians- including those from Chile- Uruguay and others.
A total waste of time and money by all the parties involved and those that want to be involved.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse +4Argentina will use every lie they can dream up to highlight the Falkland Islands and this latest rise is all part of their ongoing deflection to divert the real problem away from their own failing state.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse +9Their country is so heavily in debt that it is very unlikely that they will ever honour their 65 billion loans . Of course that is not the first time loans have been defaulted on . Argentina lost any claim to the Falklands in 1982 when they ruthlessly invaded a peaceful neighbour.
That back then was designed to divert attention from an internal political unrest .
They were rightfully kicked off the islands from their illegal occupation.
In 2013 the islanders voted to remain British with a 99.98% vote. That should have been the end of the matter but Argentina the land grabbing pirates of the 21st century refuse to accept the wishes of the islanders even though the result was internationally recognised.
Argentina has a history of aggression towards their neighbours and not for the first time have they tried to steal another countries land. Just ask Chile they will confirm that.
Argentina has no real interest in the islands other than it is a great political tool to use when things go wrong in their own country .
The islanders are used to this rhetoric coming out of Argentina and fully aware of the embargoes they have put on them.
Just shows the world what an undesirable neighbour we have to put up with. Who in there right mind would want to be a part of that corruption.
No thank you, we are British and wish to very much remain so living the life of our choosing and not that if a dictator.
A host of other countries from South America and Africa as well as China, Russia and Iran are included in the Committee. Many of the countries of the committee have questionable track records on human rights and 19 of the 29 countries in the committee have been ranked as being ‘not free’ or ‘partly free’ by the ‘Freedom in the World’ Survey.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +9The C24 makes the same call every year but, up until 2019 at least, then fails to recommend its draft-resolution to the Fourth Committee for adoption as a UN resolution by the General Assembly. As a result, there has been no UN GA Resolution for 32 years.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse +9It's a farce. An annual pantomime carried out for domestic consumption within Argentina. The rest of the world sees the joke, but not Argentina.
The question of the Falklands was settled long ago. Argentina is now officially impotent.
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/united-nations-documents/
There is nothing to discuss. The C24 is a complete joke: just look at the composition of the committee. This is the usual Peronist rabble-rousing to distract attention from the dire economic situation that the previous Fernandez government precipitated.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +6“C24”, “the sovereignty controversy over the Falkllands, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and adjoining maritime spaces”.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +7Nah, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands are not on the C24 list, only the Falklands are.
Important to point out that “the Falklands” and “South Georgia, South Sandwich islands” are completely separate issues, much as the Argys try and roll it all up into one.
In simple terms South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands are not non-self-governing territories according to the UN, they are simply British territory.
I have yet to find out what is the basis for Argentina claiming South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands.
RedBaron, all of the british i know, says that the Malvinas are a colonial relic of an empire in decline.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Britbob, The UN General Assembly do not debated the topic of the Malvinas question for a desition presented to them by Argentina with the UK on what is know to be the madrid declaration. Nevertheless, the topic of the Malvinas situation is back on the General Assembly agenda waiting for any of the two parts to bring them on.
https://undocs.org/en/A/RES/58/316
Islander1, Its illogic that you, living in one territory that the United Nations considers living in a colonial situation, accuse an argentine minister of living in a “colonial” era. Modern democracy is called now?.
Kelperabout, the british have other nine territories also under a colonial situation and under the UN process of decolonization where the argentine economy does not affect them at all.
Brit bob, The british invaded Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction that were never found killing millons of civilians in the process while the chief of UN inspector told the UK there were no such weapons. And you have the nerve to talk about members of the C24?.
Roger Lorton, the question of the Malvinas Islands remains on the General Assembly Agenda.
Liberto
Aug 06th, 2020 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Your link goes back to 2004
On 20 October 2008 the United Nations General Assembly rejected a motion supported by Spain and Argentina by 61 votes to 40 to place restrictions on the right to self-determination where there was a sovereignty dispute, determining that it was a fundamental right. (UN Fourth Committee Approved Text on Non-Self-Governing Territories, GA/SPD/406, 20 Oct 2008).
The people of the Falklands have elected to remain ' ‘Associated with the UK’ in accordance with UNGA 2625 OF 1970. A legal right.
It is Argentina who wants to colonise the Falklands.
Liberato
Aug 06th, 2020 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +6It would seem you know very few if any “British”.
There is nothing “democratic” about Argentina claiming sovereignty over a territory, whose legitimate inhabitants rights to self-determination is enshrined in the UN Charter and who want nothing to do with you.
An Argentine minister thinking the territory can just be handed over, with no reference to the rights of the inhabitants, is Colonial era thinking in the extreme.
Thinking you can use a fictitious version of history to justify such a claim is simply stupid.
Remember:
“Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
— Julio Argentino Roca.
And you have the nerve to talk about Iraq?
@RedBaron: “All of the Argentine I spoke to have no interest in the Falklands” ? LOLhahaha The only ridiculous liar around here is YOU. You cheeky charlatan . Recovering the Malvinas Islands from British usurpation and present day occupation is today a more robust issue then it has ever been in our nation's history.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -7And to the rest of you bigoted racist brainwashed clone drones, what the hell does Argentina's current state of affairs have to do with a national sovereignty altercation issue created by Britain when it forcefully usurped our administration off these Islands, which happens to date back to the days of the Spanish Empire's creation of the Plata River Vice-Royalty in 1776, and then during the first Argentine Republic in 1820, pinning us against said country since 1833?
Every time the British have anything to say about this, they always sound like they're in some tormented capriciously vicious state of denial and anger caused by wanting to just flee the scene with the bagged up loot, hysterically avoiding any type of contextual debate or civilized discussion. All they can do is insult and seek to insolently discredit Argentinians, dishonor our politicians, belittle our country, demean our history. ...It's so transparently some form of sociopathic hysteria, clearly wanting to make out with all but complete absolution of any wrong doing, that it's pitiful. Like a robber looking away and speeding up his strut as he pretends he can't hear his apprehenders, but shouts back instead meaningless slurs to try and cover his shame.
@ “Trimonde” Please do bare in mind that Britain established a settlement in the Falklands in 1765 which using your Maths beats Argentina`s attempted Usurpation in 1829 by more than 50 years !!!
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +6Also remember if You had inherited Spain`s Claim then there would be some kind of Treaty signed between Spain & Argentina and considering that Spain was still claiming the Falklands in the 1830`s it makes the Argentine adventure nothing more than a Land Grab or to use your Favourite saying “Usurped”,.
Brit bob, if you only need to read. In 2004 was decided to reincorporate the question of the falklands/Malvinas to the provisional agenda of the general assembly. If you search in the web, for the UN general assembly agenda each year, you will find out the topic is there.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -8https://www.un.org/en/ga/63/plenary/A_falkland.shtml
quote: ”At its resumed fifty-eighth session, in July 2004, the General Assembly decided that, with effect from the fifty-ninth session, this item should remain on the agenda for consideration upon notification by a Member State (resolution 58/316, annex, para. 4 (b)).“
Pugol-h, Argentina its a democratic and sovereign nation, recognized as such by the United Nations, and the Malvinas islands are one of ten territories under british colonialism and recognized as such, by the United Nations. you may like it or not. but it is a reality.
quote:”An Argentine minister thinking the territory can just be handed over, with no reference to the rights of the inhabitants, is Colonial era thinking in the extreme.”
Wow, for a moment i thought you were talking about britain with Diego Garcia's inhabitants.
You then talk about Roca who was born before the american civil war and im talking about few years ago. Brit bob question the human rights records of memebers of c24 and i asked him about the millons of human lives the UK killed by invading a sovereign nation few years ago.
You have no shame, nobody in the world is accusing Argentina of colonialism than the british. The world have always accused britain of colonialism. Thats a fact.
@ “Liberato”, The Problem that You have is a Total Lack of Proof to back these Claims that the Falklands somehow belong to Argentina.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The UN does Not recognise Territorial integrity as a Legitimate means of claiming another country ! if it did there would be Border Wars springing up around the World.
Argentina assumes it inherited Spain`s Territory in the America`s But there is NO Paper Work to back it up ie. a Treaty Signed between Argentina & Spain.
Liberato
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +5The UN recognises the right of all 17 NSGT to self-determination.
https://en.mercopress.com/2016/06/01/ban-ki-moon-emphasizes-on-the-freely-expressed-will-for-non-self-governing-territories
“According to the UN charter the full measure of self-government of the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories must be the result of the freely expressed will and desire of those peoples, said UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon”.
It is Argentina that tries to deny the Falkland Islanders their right to decide their own future.
Because Argentina wants to annex the Islands, along with the rest of the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
It’s called having Colonial ambitions. Unfortunately for Argentina the British were there first.
Always amuses me when Creole Planters talk about the uninhabitable Chagos Islands, it’s never clear whether they are saying the British Gov of the day shouldn’t have moved the population, or that the current British Gov should do exactly the same to the Kelpers?
Perhaps you could explain what exactly is the connection?
“Roca who was born before the american civil war”, oh that all right then, statute of limitations expired on that. He can be a national hero for all he did for the implanted population.
“millons of human lives the UK killed”, and how many trillion times have you been told not to exaggerate. A frankly laughable figure.
But then never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh!
Dirk...
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse -6Lying again. Britain “attempted” to establish a settlement. Fully aware that these waters and that part of the continent was being claimed and actively colonized by Spain for nearly two centuries. You failed to mention how long its attempt and wedging its foot in our region lasted before Spain, with soldiers from Buenos Aires had to kick you off the islands. There is no “Queen bestowing god” entitling mortals to leave reservation cards for when or if a country decides to come back for any part of the world it wishes to have. Settlement and people living and dying, raising their children and burring their dead as they gaze at sunsets and sunrises upon the land they call home is what gives us natural sovereignty occupation rights to a land. Like the Vernet family did, and their workers had, building homes and passing resource exploitation laws by the authority of Buenos Aires. 'Fort' Egmont was never that. You never took a piano on a ship for the family to play, or horses with which to explore the islands with, nor cattle to feed visitors you hosted in the structures your people never built. All your King presumptuously and defiantly did was leave a plaque explaining that though they abandoned their belligerent confrontation of the Spanish, they still claimed the islands as if they could just claim the world. Just like your arrogant undemocratic governments do today, thinking they can impart their own destiny on the lands of other peoples. Get this: Get lost YA SCALLY MANIPULATING BULLIES, how about you let the world live in peace?
3rdWorldBetts - Buenos Aires was trespassing in 1833. Given two written warnings before being legally ejected.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +8Now tell me, why is your picture the same as that used by one Rambling Pat Regini? Coincidence? Or are you actually Mad Pat, the Hawaiian cannabis grower?
That's just the interpretation you seek to forge Mr Lorton. Unfortunately for you, there never was no such status or state existing for London regarding those islands as “belonging” to Britain. Your country was merely contesting them against Spain's right to them and this part of the world. Where as for Argentina it was exactly the opposite. They were officially within the jurisdiction of future Argentinians since 1776. I believe you're suffering some kind of inversion syndrome, not too unlike your culture suffers regarding human sexuality.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse -8Argentina is not Spain, Pat. Inheritance is a myth. As for 'belonging', Britain's claim goes back to 1765. Long before Argentina existed. There were no 'Argentinians' in 1776. There were no 'Argentinians' until 1860.
Aug 06th, 2020 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +7You are suffering from too much weed. Give it up, Pat.
Argentina lost already ;-)
“Spain's right to them and this part of the world”
Aug 07th, 2020 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse +4Unlike Atahualpa or the Mapuche, the British have more than just sticks and stones with which to defend their territory from thieving Creole Conquistadors, trying to “implant” themselves in our territory.
“I believe you're suffering some kind of inversion syndrome”.
O oh, F*ckwitt alert, is this a qualified opinion by any chance, or are you just opining here.
I do hope you are not going to start posting irrelevant quotes and spurious references.
Do you have any relatives living in Canada, in a basement by any chance?
“not too unlike your culture suffers regarding human sexuality”.
Aha, sounds like a job for “Soma's Dictionary of Latin Quotations, Maxims and Phrases”, no less. Are you aware it says:
“The burden of proof lies upon him who affirms, not on him who denies”.
So where is your proof, Puff head.
Lorton, Buenos Aires trespassing in 1833?. trespassing who?. The british that abandoned their brief, illegal and hidden settlement in 1774?, which means 59 years of no british claiming nor protest of any kind?. After signing the recognition of Argentina 8 years before, in 1825 without claiming sovereignty of the islands?.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse -6In 1765 the islands were already claimed, settled and administered by France, which recognized prior spanish rights. So your claim, that britain's claim goes back to 1765 does not prove anything not grant any right whatsoever. In any case, France could contest the spanish right for being the first to officially claim them and settle them.
Lorton is getting old Liberato. Go easy on him. ... Imagine if he had to face some of our academics in their own mother tongue language! He'd just disappear, like he always does when he detects his ballsy selective arguments are about to be revealed
Aug 07th, 2020 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse -7I remember he claimed that during the decades the spanish governors administered the whole territory, british fishing boats administered the islands in the name of britain by the sole fact of fishing near the coast of Malvinas.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse -7Think it is time for a reality check here. For the record It was the French that built the settlement at Port Louis not a Spanish settlement a French one. France accepted that Britain was indeed the rightful settlers in the region but because France and England and of course Spain were not all getting along France decided to pull a fast one and attempt to sell something they never owned to the Spanish and that is where the whole dispute gets started.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse +4The Spanish had already conquered part of South America Yes I use the word Conquered because they did not get invited freely to settle that land then a rogue section of the Spanish decided to break away from Spain and lay claim to all that new stolen land and decided to steal the rest from the indigenous people of Patagonia in the process. Yes notice steal. That not being enough they decided to invent a theory that Spain handed them the rights to the Falkland islands but there was a problem , the British decided that it was about time they properly settled the islands again having previously had a settlement at Port Egmont around the time the French built their settlement in Port Louis.
All this took place long before Argentina was founded. So when Argentina tried to re-establish a settlement at Port Louis it was in the hope that Britain who they knew owned the Islands would not get to know about it but by a twist of fate the North Americans spilled the beans and so rightfully in 1833 Britain ordered the illegal Argentine military dwellers to leave but offered the civilians to stay if they wished and most stayed.
Today Argentina still bears that hurt of being caught out and even more so when they stupidly invaded the Islands by force in 1982 by a dictator thinking once again Britain would never come eight thousand miles to take them back, They were wrong and again they got told to leave . Only difference to that of 1833 where no shots were fired Argentina in 1982 got a hiding they didn't expect and got kicked out
Patrick,
Aug 07th, 2020 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse +2I wanted to ask about something you said above.
“dishonor our politicians, belittle our country, demean our history.”
What do you mean, “our”? You aren't Argentine, you live in the U.S., right?
Liberfarto
Aug 07th, 2020 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse +6Yes, BA was trespassing in 1833 and, as there was no inheritance, what Spain did or did not do was quite irrelevant to Argentina's claims. Remember, Spain only claimed one island in 1811. However, I thank you for an opportunity to provide you with all the details. 4,340 downloads since March 8th. Looking like 45-50% into Argentina. The truth will always get out.
;-)
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/falkland-wars-1700-1850-1.pdf
Pwat .... I've been facing Argie academics for years. They always lose. Are you forgetting again that you are Italian? Read your passport.
C-24. Oh yes.... ”In accordance with UN General Assembly (GA) resolution 1654 (XVI), the C-24 was mandated to (i) examine the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (GA resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, hereafter referred to as the “Declaration”) and (ii) to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration. The C-24 annually reviews the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories to which the Declaration is applicable.” Observations...... (a) the Falkland Islands is Self-Governing Territory, and (b) in 2013 the Falkland Islands referendum on self-determination was very conclusive in favour of sel-determination..... So, to an external observer, the only colonial party here appears to be Argentina... sorry, but the CP-24 has no remit here....
Aug 07th, 2020 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse +3Liberato
Aug 07th, 2020 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse +5Fact is - no UN resolutions for over 30-years and Argentina misuses the C24 to pursue their illegitimate sovereignty claims.
The C24 has NO remit to deal with sovereignty claims.
Argentina’s Misuse of the UN C24 Committee(1 pg):- https://www.academia.edu/42908924/Argentinas_Misuse_of_the_UN_C24_Committee
@ “Trimonde & Liberato”, again You Guys are missing the Point and that is Argentina has NO PROOF or EVIDENCE to back its Spurious Claim, The Islanders have Possession and over 200 + Years of Settlement to back there Claim “They are able to Watch the Sunrise and Sunset over there Land and Raise there Families and Work to Live and Enjoy The Falklands Safe in the Knowledge that there is NO Threat to them losing that Right so long as they choose to remain a BOT”,.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse +6So C24 as a sub, sub committee has no authority in law. So they have no power to dictate anything to anyone, they are the classical King with no clothes. Thus the C24 approved a resolution on Wednesday calling on the UK and Argentina to resume negotiations is an excess of their jurisdiction as it is ultra vires. As the UK and the FI are in complete accord of their UN Charter requirements.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse +5Liberato, remember president Sarmiento's warning about when you rearrange the letters in ignorAnte, you get Argentino.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +31. Read up on UN's charter, especially the part which emphasizes all peoples right to self-determination.
2. Return the provinces Chaco, Formosa and Misiones to it's rightful owner, Paraguay.
3. Return Patagonia to it's rightful owners, the victims of Julio A(sesino) Roca's genocide.
4. Return all of Argentina to it's rightful owners, the indigenous people who for several hundred years - including today - have been, and are being murdered and expelled from their native lands by descendants of the immigrants .
5. Return to your land of origin together with all the other descendants of the immigrants - 97,83 percent of the Argentinos came from the ships.
Vernet, hummm, yes, didn’t he write a series of letters to the British Gov, not least asking for permission to establish a settlement, on what he recognised was sovereign British territory.
Aug 07th, 2020 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +4The Falkland Islands.
Which he was granted, conditional on maintaining British sovereignty at all times.
Looks like he was a Cipayo after all.
Both the Chagossians and the Mauritanians accepted the deals they were offered. Thus ECHR is quite correct, and the UK can now quite simply say any further legal scrutiny is barred as Res Judicata “also known as claim preclusion, is the Latin term for ”a matter decided” and refers to either of two concepts in both civil law and common law legal systems: a case in which there has been a final judgment and is no longer subject to appeal; and the legal doctrine meant to bar (or preclude) relitigation of a claim between the same parties.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_judicata
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