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Chile overwhelmingly approved a constitutional reform with a specially elected assembly

Monday, October 26th 2020 - 09:56 UTC
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The referendum in Chile was held on Sunday with a resounding result in favor of reforming the constitution. After last year's social protests, it was decided to consult citizens if they wanted to begin the process of promulgating a new Chilean constitution, leaving the one approved during the time of Augusto Pinochet in 1980 without effect. Read full article

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  • Think

    The Barolo was good but absolutely not enough...
    Luckily I had some forgotten bottles of Bisson Abissi pas dosè...

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    My compliments on your wine selections — although I've never had the pleasure to try a Bisson Abissi.

    We knew it was coming when first proposed, but we still exercised our futile vote of protest. Living in a democracy, the majority of the people have the right to do insane actions. (Lemmings do the same in the northern hemisphere.)

    I did not wager any wine on this vote — but my near 5 case bet on the USA election now sits on thin ice...

    All the polls show I will lose, but as you know — I'm a contrarian.

    ¡Viva Chile!

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    La Sheshi tinía razón..., pué...!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=loGJ4uRJUBI&t=15s

    This has been a good week for el Cono Sur...
    El Think is happy...

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    As the Americans say: Well isn't that NICE?

    We will experience a circus show during the next two years — followed by a more volitile and uncertain future — but in the end:

    — Taxes will increase.
    — The poor and middle class will see few benefits.
    — The wealthy will still continue to get even more wealthy.
    — Thanks to Bachelet, there will be plenty of available labor for harvesting.

    Let us hope together that your beloved country somehow overcomes its own set of complicated challenges in the next couple of years. Argentina deserves better than what it has now.

    ¡Saudos!

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Shicuréo...

    I Think your Crystal Ball is a bit clouded..., hermanito...
    Must be all that Momio Sweat & Tears... Try again after polishing it...

    Ps...
    The Abissi Spumante ain't nothing special...
    A marketing gimmick the Ligurean natives are fond of gifting to gli stranieri...
    (Its bubbles are as big and fat as those from an Inca Cola...! )

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • Tarquin Fin

    Think, your appetite for destruction is remarkable. Who cares about your drink?

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....
    The representative of the corrupt Etchevehere's appears...!
    Eramos pocos..., y parió la abuela...

    Oct 26th, 2020 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • FortHay

    What is bothersome (as well as indicative) is that nowhere (even here) can I find exactly the written record of what is currently in the Chilean constitution and what is proposed. It certainly sounds like the usual 'democracy' where new and imaginary 'rights' are created out of thin air, but it is difficult to judge without actual direct references. Good luck, Chilenos, but remember, it is far easier to use up wealth than it is to create it.

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..., again...

    Mr. FortHay above..., sounds (and looks) like one typical Yankee Doodle WASP “Chicago Boy” Trump voter (the ones with a tie..., not a MAGA cap)..., warning them infidel Shilean Shildren not to awake the wreath of his mighty “El Free Market” God...!

    The poor little cookie seems to be lost...!
    He can't find nowhere (not even here) THE EXACT WRITTEN RECORD of what is currently in the Chilean Constitution...! ? !

    Well..., mate...
    Why don't ya TRY READING the darn Constitution..., huhhhhhhh...?
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340911442_La_Constitucion_de_Chile

    Please don't thank me..., Mr. FortHay...
    Always a pleasure helping lost souls finding their way...
    Capisce...?

    El Think..., from the sunnyside of Patagonia...






    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340911442_La_Constitucion_de_Chile

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Mr. FortHay

    Actually, they'll be squabbling here for the next two years about the recognition of indigenous transsexual rights and other nonsense — but it does provide a safety valve to release pressure as our society was in revolt prior to the pandemic.

    From an economic standpoint — the rich only get even more richer — as the normally strong Peso fell against the US Dollar. Unlike some other South American countries — we are allowed to maintain accounts in dollars.

    This currency change is an advantage for exporters — who's costs are generally in Pesos and their profits are in Dollars.

    I made no secret about my misgivings about changing our national constitution — but personally the aftermath is very financially positive.

    As I've warned Señor THINK — only the wealthy will get even more wealthier.

    ¡Saludos!

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Think

    Hermanito..

    I Think you have misunderstood Scandinavian SocialDemocrat policy towards them rich...
    We are not against them rich getting richer...!
    We are for taxing them accordingly...
    Simples...

    Capisce...?

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    This is one of those very rare moments where you and I agree that one of the results will evolve in higher taxes.

    The financial markets yesterday were reflected in the international exchange rates — which will increase the cost of imported goods.

    Anyway, the ballot results that I've wagered upon is on November 3rd.

    It's not the wine — but instead the ego at stake — which makes me more like an Argentinian...

    The polls are tightening — but they still predict Biden with a certain lead.

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Think

    Nice we agree..., hermanito...

    As a successful farmer..., you may know that the average milk productiion of a HAPPY Shilean cow is ~1.500 kg per annum...

    As a farmer..., you may be interested to know that the average milk productiion of a HAPPY Scandinavian cow is about six times higher..., ~9.000 kg per annum...

    Think if somebody transfered such highly satisfactory Scandinavian percentages to the SSI..............?

    Capisce...?

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse -3
  • FortHay

    Gracias, Chicureo,

    Your comments appear civil and well reasoned. I am now trying to read the original Chilean constitution, but my Spanish is more Portugnol. If you know of a good English translation, post it, please. After living and working in lovely Chile for some years a while back, it's distressing to see the country sliding in the direction of the ad-hoc law makers and redistribution opportunists.

    ¡Saludos!

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Actually my knowledge of bovine lactose production is very limited — and we haven't had a cow on our farm since the Unidad Popular.

    I have though enthusiastically observed the magnificent mammillary gland superiority of the female Scandinavian/Germanic gender over the more modest South American contemporaries.

    Just watching the bosomed females in their open blouse dirndls serving beer brings such great admiration of their attributes...

    Interestingly the SII not only knows my modest production — but also has a keen knowledge of my actual sales abroad. (The game of false invoicing was defeated two decades ago.)

    The penalties are so severe — only a greedy idiot would risk his patrimony.

    Prost! ...or is it Skål?

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Uyuyuyuyuyuy...., Shicuréo...

    ***“Redistribution opportunists”*** seem to be your new Yankee friend's enemy...
    He really seems to despise them ***“Redistribution opportunists”***...

    But...
    Ain't “Redistribution Oportunism” exactly what you have been doing the last nine months...?
    - Your wine merchants having to fire sell you their best wines under cost price...
    - Your aquaintances having to fire sell you your new appartment in Viña...?
    - Your ditto new pied-à-terre in Valle Nevado...?
    - Your three repossesed Series 5 BMW's...?

    Enjoy...
    ;-)))

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Mr. FortHay

    Truthfully I've never read my country's constitution, and despite both my son and son-in-law are attorneys — and I doubt they have carefully either. The real importance is the knowledge of the proposed changes that will be decided in a future committee.

    As you were a resident in Chile, you can easily follow in your preferred Chilean news provider that Google provides a reasonable translation.


    Estimado THINK

    Where on earth did I denounce “Redistribution Opportunism”?

    You should lay off drinking that Bisson Abissi plonk — because it affecting your perception...

    You know from my naval CV that I'm a descendent of pirates. My Spaniard forebears were the worst bastards that plundered and greedily looted the Viceroy of Peru!

    Obviously it runs in my genes, as I've gleefully celebrated the opportunistic plunder of two apartments, including two new gourmet kitchens — of which the entire farmhouse was was completely renovated.

    We looted the wine merchants, the kitchen providers and even the ski equipment providers with not a slight sense of guilt.

    I must correct you however about the vehicles because they were only 4 and we simply assumed the auto leases — not take possession of them. (Only 2 are Five series.)

    It's sad what's happened, but WHO DARES WINS!

    Careful with that Bisson Abissi.

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    Hermanito..., please try to read my above comment again...
    Your Grange Engrish Reading Comprehension seems to be getting worse after your Covid19...

    I wrote about YOUR NEW YANK FRIEND denouncing them “Redistribution Opportunists”..., NOT YOU...!

    I'm perfectly aware you are kind of a milico ROBIN HOOD hero..., taking from the wealthy to give to the slightly less wealthy...

    I even wished you to enjoy the booty...!!!

    Capisce now...?

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    I understood your superior command of English and you took the wind from my sails — as Redistribution Opportunism profoundly changed my life at a critical junction when most of our properties was redistributed and my sheltered world was turned upside down.

    We learned all about the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and opportunism has been the continuous serendipity of my modest success.

    I indeed grabbed the education — the girl — and the proverbial gold watch because of Marxism — so I should carefully consider the old proverb my father taught me that sometimes your friends are your enemies and sometimes your enemies are your friends.

    Ricardo Lagos embedded and protected our water rights as private property.

    Michelle Bachelet provided us with an ample excess of field labor.

    Chairman Xi has filled my cellar with wine.

    Mother Nature will probably kick my ass — but she's a typical female and you never can be certain.

    Some oxen break away from the yoke and others remain tethered...

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +3
  • Think

    ***“Ricardo Lagos embedded and protected...”***
    ***“Michelle Bachelet provided us...”***

    Thanks Shicuréo...
    Your square & austere milico bloating above..., provides the most concise, valid and graphhic argument for the need of a wholly new Shilean Constitution..

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    We both know that there are forces on both sides preparing for battle.
    It will not be luck that will save either side — but instead we both hope that the lives of the underprivileged will be improved.

    Knowing history however — scoundrels will prevail as they always do.

    I'm one of those scoundrels and I'm carefully preparing our family to prevail the coming storm rising. We are the masters of our fate — sometimes.

    (I kindly ask the Mercopress editors to allow one Pablo Neruda poem that may be found in English: Don't blame anyone.)

    No culpes a nadie

    Nunca te quejes de nadie, ni de nada,
    porque fundamentalmente tú has hecho
    lo que querías en tu vida.

    Acepta la dificultad de edificarte a ti
    mismo y el valor de empezar corrigiéndote.
    El triunfo del verdadero hombre surge de
    las cenizas de su error

    Nunca te quejes de tu soledad o de tu
    suerte, enfréntala con valor y acéptala.
    De una manera o otra es el resultado de
    tus actos y piensa que tú siempre
    has de ganar.

    No te amargues de tu propio fracaso ni
    se lo cargues a otro, acéptate ahora o
    seguirás justificándote como un niño.
    Recuerda que cualquier momento es
    bueno para comenzar y que ninguno
    es tan terrible para claudicar.

    No olvides que la causa de tu presente
    es tu pasado así como la causa de tu
    futuro será tu presente.

    Aprende de los audaces, de los fuertes,
    de quien no acepta situaciones, de quien
    vivirá a pesar de todo. Piensa menos en
    tus problemas y más en tu trabajo y tus
    problemas, sin eliminarlos, morirán.

    Aprende a nacer desde el dolor y a ser
    más grande que el más grande de los
    obstáculos. Mírate en el espejo de ti mismo
    y serás libre y fuerte y dejarás de ser un
    títere de las circunstancias porque tu
    mismo eres tu destino.

    Levántate y mira el sol por las mañanas
    y respira la luz del amanecer.
    Tú eres parte de la fuerza de tu vida,
    ahora despiértate, lucha, camina, decídete
    y triunfarás en la vida. Nunca pienses en
    la suerte, porque la suerte es
    el pretexto de los fracasados

    Oct 27th, 2020 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    Shicuréo...
    You are..., evidently..., better to poetry than to farming...

    You know damn little 'bout pollinators...
    You know..., even less 'bout milking cows...
    You don't know 'bout the “little” difference between a forever pacified ox and a raging bull...

    Imho..., the key for Neruda's above poem is to be found in the followig verse... :
    ***“ El triunfo del verdadero hombre surge de las cenizas de su error”***
    Have you “Triumphed”..., hermanito...? Have I...?
    What was “Triumph” for Neruda...?
    What do you Think...?

    Returning to the hormonal issue of yoked oxes and free bulls...., the humorous strip from todays paper ;-)
    https://www.pagina12.com.ar/humor/rep/302194

    Capisce...?

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    Enjoyed the humor...

    I actually know a fair amount about pollination — I only took pity upon my Argentine cousins — and changed their portrayal as a HORSEFLY instead of the more common FLY in sympathy. (“No noble gesture goes unpunished.”)

    Your wry commentary reminds me of the well known story about the old bull and the young bull shaded up and out of the flies on a hill. A bunch of heifers graze into the meadow below and the young bull says “Let’s run down and BREED a couple of heifers.” The old bull gets up, stretches and said “Let’s walk down and BREED them all.” (As with changing the insect species — the story does not work if it's two bueyes are up on the hill.)

    My dear father always tried to get me to prepare for serendipitous opportunities that were going to show up. He educated me to encourage the workers — through example and I was enthusiastically working the harvest instead of “vacationing” at the beaches or lake district like my school mates. Long weekends and Summer vacations were for working — but the ski season was playtime and my father personally taught me the sport at El Portillo.

    If the Marxists haven't used Redistribution Opportunism to seize most our farmland...
    If our kleptomaniac neighbors hadn't tried Redistribution Opportunism to seize our territory in '78...
    If my government didn't decide to actively pursue recruiting the Grange School delinquents for our military academies...
    If I was not required to wear full uniform when attending social events...
    ...I would have missed the glance of a beautiful alumnus of the Lycée Français...
    ...I remember boasting of snow skiing as a sport and she just shyly smiled...

    It's a matter of IF and if I can — no social upheaval will not be a complete threat unlike my sometimes occasional bed-partner who's always an imminent danger...

    So how is it in your beautiful cultural area of the Mediterranean?

    I'm getting ready to go visit the old lady for empanadas for lunch.

    ¡SALUDOS!

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Think

    It' s OK up here... Been at worse places...
    Just returned from a forthnight in Venice..., btw...
    I Think..., Johann Wolfgang von Goethe would have thrived in its current pandemic tranquility...;-)

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    I read a report a few weeks ago that glorious city was empty of tourists and the Photographs were stunning.

    The betting odds on my wine wager have dramatically improved.

    It's an exciting horserace now!

    ¡Saludos!

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Them reports 'bout that town ain't not a bit exaggerated...
    And the race ain't a bit exiting..., not with this one on it...
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mP-hyDSlmUs
    Capisce...?

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    My winning choice would never resort to such a crass over-the-top gimmick..
    https://youtu.be/oSnfPXbfsPw

    Sometimes the clever scoundrels win despite the overcoming odds!

    Have a pleasant evening!

    Oct 28th, 2020 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Shicuréo...
    Completely useless Trump car...!
    How the heck is one suppose to “make out” with a chick in a car like that...?

    Oct 29th, 2020 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    He probably still would have better luck than myself in a Lada sedan...

    The polls this morning are all showing I'll need to eat crow — but I'm not convinced.

    ¡Saludos!

    Oct 29th, 2020 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Don't be so modest..., hermanito...

    A young Latin Lover like you..., driving a VAZ with some dollars in his Levi's jeans pockets..., could have picked almost any gal walking the streets of the Soviet Union....

    Capisce....

    Oct 29th, 2020 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Estimado THINK

    The women of Russia are stunning — I would have immediately fell in love and marry one one of those beauties — but thankfully I never had the opportunity because they seem to have tendancy to gradually evolve into a potato shaped babushka...

    Hormones and hard currency prior to the end of the USSR — what an adventure!

    Oct 29th, 2020 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Juppppppp....
    Good auld times... ;-)

    Oct 29th, 2020 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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