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Argentina expects more support from the EU on the “Malvinas issue” after Brexit

Saturday, February 5th 2022 - 10:22 UTC
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Since the Falkland Islands ceased to be a European Union (EU) Community overseas territory after the Brexit, Argentina seeks more support from the bloc in the negotiation claim with the United Kingdom on the South Atlantic British territory. It was explained by the Argentine Secretary of Malvinas, Antarctica, and South Atlantic, Guillermo Carmona in an interview with EFE. Read full article

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  • Steve Potts

    Still spinning UNGA2065 from 1965.

    That resolution clearly states that the “interests” of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands will be taken into account. Clearly it's not in the interests of the islanders to have anything to do with Argentina. End of argumant.

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Terence Hill

    “What his country seeks is that the United Kingdom “complies with international law”, which implies, according to resolution 2065 of the United Nations General Assembly, that it “sits down at the negotiating table” with Argentina.”

    Superseded by:

    “..It is therefore not surprising that the General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..”
    Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law Peter Malanczuk

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Steve Potts

    'Argument' my error.

    Terence Hill

    Spot on. Relevance of Title by Conquest Today

    Where then stands the law on conquest today? According to Jennings, the current disposition of vast territory would be thrown into doubt, if the view were accepted that changes in the rules of governing territorial acquisition had retroactive effect on acquisitions accomplished under older rules. (The Finnish Yearbook of International Law, 1998, p226 quoting, Jennings R.Y., The Acquisition of Territory in International Law, 1963, p53-56).

    The Irrevocable Demise of UNGA Resolution 2065 (XX) Question of the Falkland Island (1pg): https://www.academia.edu/43176571/The_Irrevocable_Demise_of_UNGA_Resolution_2065_XX_Question_of_the_Falkland_Islands

    UNGA 2065 clearly dead. RIP

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Mike Summers

    The EU position on the Falklands is underpin ed by legal text in the Treaties of Rome and Maastericht. This will not change. No amount of wishful thinking will undermine an established legal position.

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse +5
  • Terence Hill

    Note, UN resolutions cannot negate UN Charter articles 73, and 103.

    ”ICJ and Self-Determination
    ...opinion on Kosovo's declaration ...
    ”is that the right of self-determination, which the ICJ found to be jus cogens in the East Timor case, is a right of all peoples, not only of those in a colonial context. ... “

    Western Sahara; “The validity of the principle of self-determination, defined as the need to pay regard to the freely expressed will of peoples, ...the subsequent development of international law in regard to non-self-governing territories, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, made the principle of self-determination applicable to all of them”
    The Case Concerning East Timor and Self-determination
    ”By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of people ...”

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Judge Jose

    The Argentine politicians continue to live in la la land,

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    TWIMC...
    Especially to the above poster that says...:

    - “”The EU position on the Falklands is underpined by legal text in the Treaties of Rome and Maastericht. This will not change. No amount of wishful thinking will undermine an established legal position.“”

    I say...:
    - As far as my frail memory lets me remember..., the UK was not even a signatory of the Rome Treaty....
    - In regard of the Maastricht Treaty..., (formally known as the Treaty on European Union)..., well..., as far as the good auld Encyclopedia Brutannica goes..., the United Kingdom did cease to be a member of that distinguished Gentlemen Club on January 31, 2020...
    https://www.britannica.com/topic/European-Union/The-euro-zone-debt-crisis#ref344366

    Capisce...?

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Mike Summers

    The Treaty of Rome established the principle that the Overseas Territories of Member States were recognised by the then EEC. This was reaffirmed by Maastericht. The EU has regularly re-affirmed that it recognises the Falkland Islands as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom, and this is a firm legal position. The fact that the UK has left the EU does not change the EUs understading of the relationship between the two.

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse +4
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeee....

    - An Engrish Brexiteer playing the ”Expert on the Maastricht Treaty..., that can't even spell Maastricht correctly...

    Pls..., educate yourself...

    Capisce...?

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse -4
  • Dirk Dikkler

    @ Taken Think, Is this what it has come to Your only response is to point out a spelling mistake.

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Terence Hill

    'A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory cannot, by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised the powers and fulfilled the duties of sovereignty in it.''(Theory and Reality in International Law, de Visscher, 1957, p201).

    “Where a State fails to lodge effective protests, which in the present era ought, if
    necessary, to include instituting international judicial or arbitral proceedings, against
    attempts at wrongful usurpation into sovereign territory, that …failure to protest,
    where a protest is called for, must have a detrimental effect on the position of the
    party concerned and may afford evidence of non-existence of title.”
    92 Gerald Fitzmaurice, The Law and Procedure of the International Court of Justice, Vol.1 (1995), 299.
    Sir Gerald Gray Fitzmaurice GCMG QC (24 October 1901 – 7 September 1982) [1] was a British barrister and judge. He was a member of the Permanent Court of Arbitration between 1964 and 1973 and a Senior Judge of the International Court of Justice between 1967 and 1973.

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -2
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeeeeeee...
    Those Turnipy Haughty Engrish Brexiteers...!

    They repudiate the whole Treaty with the European Union...
    But like to tænk that them European will kiss their anglo exceptionalist unwashed arses...

    As them ~50.000 emigrated Britons to Costa del Sol..., recently re-immigratet to Grey Britain found out..., the hard way...

    I remember the Engrish argument some years ago being...:
    “THEY NEED US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM”...

    Evidently not so...
    Capisce...?

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -5
  • Terence Hill

    “Your only response is to point out a spelling mistake.”

    ”It used to be we thought that people who went around correcting other people's grammar were just plain annoying. Now there's evidence they are actually ill, suffering from a type of obsessive-compulsive disorder/oppositional defiant disorder (OCD/ODD). Researchers are calling it Grammatical Pedantry Syndrome, or GPS.“ illinois.edu/blog/view/25/76120
    “Grammar Pedantry Syndrome” is a form of OCD in which sufferers need to correct every grammatical error.” twitter.com/uberfacts/status/218151002707206145

    Feb 05th, 2022 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • FitzRoy

    Had the EU included the Falkland Islands in Brexit negotiations, the spotlight would have been shone on French, Belgian and Spanish overseas territories, particularly in the Caribbean and S. American mainland. Britain is always the bad guy as far as Argentina are concerned, they continually turn a blind eye to other European countries having colonial interests. Carmona is just leading the Argentine people by the nose.

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Tænk

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....

    - First..., we get Anglo Kelper (Mr. Mike Summers) producing a quite erroneous “In-Depth Juridical Analysis” 'bout the Maastricht Treaty without even being able to spell “Maastricht”...
    “M A A S T E R I C H T”..., really...???

    - Then..., we get Anglo Kelper (Mr. FitzRoy) producing an equally erroneous “In-Depth Political Analysis” 'bout some supposed non- inclusion by the EU of -“Belgian Overseas Territories”- in Brexit negotiations...
    “B E L G I AN OVERSEAS TERRITORIES”..., really...???

    Wonder what is inducing such erroneous analyses and daydreaming on them Kelpers...
    Maybe just the current course of World-Events...?
    Maybe the results of the 2021 Census...?
    Who knows...
    Capisce...?

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “Then we get” a dash of your Grammar Pedantry Syndrome.
    With a drenching of the ICJ, in the opinion on Kosovo's declaration ...
    Western Sahara, and the Case Concerning East Timor and Self-determination.
    Putting the kibosh, to any and all Argentine pretenses of complying with international law.
    Along with opinions of two experts of international law.
    https://en.mercopress.com/2022/02/05/argentina-expects-more-support-from-the-eu-on-the-malvinas-issue-after-brexit/comments#comment519746

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mike Summers

    Those with little substance to add often end up just dropping into childish personal abuse. Pathetic really.

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1
  • Chicureo

    Although I’m perplexed with his paranoia about his obvious misspelling…

    (… Grammar Pedantry Syndrome …)

    …I’m so pleased that THE LOKAL LEGEND Skippy Jessop is finally has heeded my advice about his serious obesity problem and embarked upon a new activity!

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d91ccf1519967874cac08705a27b88da78ce175/2_0_3764_2259/master/3764.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=6e8e21da5634053b4201921b1edb544b


    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Tænk

    Kelper Mike Summers...

    What can be of lesser substance..., more pathetic and beyond childish than them haughty Anglo UKistanis completely changing their understading of their relationship with the EUians..., yet expecting them EUians not to change a iota of their understading of their relationship with the UKistanis...?

    Keep dreaming...
    Capisce...?

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • FitzRoy

    Yes, Belgium had colonies, old son. France still does...

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tænk

    Kelper FitzRoy...

    Yes...
    Belgium HAD colonies...
    As Rome HAD colonies too...
    Key word here being..., as you so well said...: “ HAD”...

    Ergo..., no reason whatsoever for an Anglo Kelper to mention the no inclusion by the EU of any “(sic) Belgian Overseas Territories” in any Brexit negotiations...

    Capisce...?

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    “I’m so pleased that THE LOKAL LEGEND Skippy Jessop”

    THE LOKAL LEGEND is Terence Hill
    Skippy Jessop is the sock- puppet of the malignant narcissist Chicureo.

    Projection

    “The most common way narcissists create alternative narratives is by projecting. If they say that the other person is jealous of them, then you know that the narcissist is jealous. If they say that the other person was lying and cheating, they were the one lying and cheating. But more often than not whatever the narcissist is presenting the other person as is a much more accurate description of the narcissist. The mechanism here is that in the narcissists mind they try to attribute their own unhealthy behavior, perspective, and character traits to the other person because it shifts attention and responsibility from them. And if the other person is all these bad things, then it can’t be that I am these things thinks the narcissist I’m the good guy here.”
    https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2018/07/narcissist-delusion#2

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I’m just amused with THE LOKAL LEGEND Skippy Jessop has embarked into a new activity! 



    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d91ccf1519967874cac08705a27b88da78ce175/2_0_3764_2259/master/3764.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=6e8e21da5634053b4201921b1edb544b


    


¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    Aha, your sock-puppet is back. Who in spite of his bizarre life, is apparently having a lot more excitement than you; who is waiting for your fruit testicles to ripen.

    Turns out the word avocado comes from the Aztec word āhuacatl, which means “testicle,”
    Boy does that explains a lot, along with your other claims.
    It certainly explains why you talk a load of bollocks.

    “Narcissism and the use of fantasy
    In sample 1, it was found that (1) narcissistic individuals experience achievement, heroic, sexual, hostile, self-revelation, and future-oriented daydreams; and (2) these six types of daydreams represent a coherent “narcissistic” fantasy style. In sample 2, narcissistic individuals who were experiencing higher levels of daily stress report using more self-admiration, power and revenge, and suffering fantasies to cope with stress. The narcissistic theme of entitlement is uniquely related to narcissistic fantasy and the narcissists' use of sustaining fantasies to cope with stress. Results are consistent with clinical literature on the narcissistic personality.”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1939692/

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Actually, in the EU, France and Denmark still have overseas territories.

    The EU in general and France in particular will not want to play Argentina’s game here.

    And neither will the Murdering Danish Planters in Greenland and the Faroe Isles, slowly stripping the Indigenous populations of their rights and land. Slaughtering whale populations for fun.

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    I’m just really amused with THE LOKAL LEGEND!


    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d91ccf1519967874cac08705a27b88da78ce175/2_0_3764_2259/master/3764.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=6e8e21da5634053b4201921b1edb544b


    


¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Feb 07th, 2022 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    THE LOKAL LEGEND in reality looks slim and trim in this picture of me with my tankard in March 2018; according to the only authentic photo of me.

    S.A.C. T.L.HILL
    No. 18 SQUADRON RAF
    MARCH 1963
    https://imgur.com/a/WDPeU

    “How Narcissists Play the Victim and Twist the Story

    Delusion and denial

    Narcissists simply want to know that they are in the right. For that, they need false validation to regulate their shaky self-esteem. They need to find people who would agree with them. … or the narcissist needs to lie and present a different story than what is actually true.
    Here, they tend to flip the roles where they are good, noble, caring, virtuous and the other person is evil, cruel, selfish, and immoral. Which brings us to the next point.
    Projection
    The most common way narcissists create alternative narratives is by projecting. We’ve talked about narcissistic projection in a separate article but to extract the main point, narcissists love to project.
    If they say that the other person is jealous of them, then you know that the narcissist is jealous. If they say that the other person was cruel to them, then you know that the narcissist was cruel to the other person. If they say that the other person was lying and cheating, then you know they were the one lying and cheating.
    Yes, sometimes it’s not as simple and there could be unhealthy behavior on both sides, but more often than not whatever the narcissist is presenting the other person as is a much more accurate description of the narcissist.
    Whatever the case may be, the mechanism here is that in the narcissists mind they try to attribute their own unhealthy behavior, perspective, and character traits to the other person because it shifts attention and responsibility from them. And if the other person is all these bad things, then it can’t be that. I am these things thinks the narcissist I’m the good guy here.”
    https://imgur.com/a/WDPeU

    Feb 08th, 2022 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Gosh, THE LOKAL LEGEND just seems to have a different perspective than what reality exposes when he’s seen in public…

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d91ccf1519967874cac08705a27b88da78ce175/2_0_3764_2259/master/3764.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=6e8e21da5634053b4201921b1edb544b



    ¡Saludos cordiales desde Panquehue!

    Feb 08th, 2022 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse -1
  • Terence Hill

    “How Narcissists Play the Victim and Twist the Story

    Delusion and denial

    Narcissists simply want to know that they are in the right. For that, they need false validation to regulate their shaky self-esteem. They need to find people who would agree with them. … or the narcissist needs to lie and present a different story than what is actually true.
    Here, they tend to flip the roles where they are good, noble, caring, virtuous and the other person is evil, cruel, selfish, and immoral. Which brings us to the next point.
    Projection
    The most common way narcissists create alternative narratives is by projecting. We’ve talked about narcissistic projection in a separate article but to extract the main point, narcissists love to project.
    If they say that the other person is jealous of them, then you know that the narcissist is jealous. If they say that the other person was cruel to them, then you know that the narcissist was cruel to the other person. If they say that the other person was lying and cheating, then you know they were the one lying and cheating.
    Yes, sometimes it’s not as simple and there could be unhealthy behavior on both sides, but more often than not whatever the narcissist is presenting the other person as is a much more accurate description of the narcissist.
    Whatever the case may be, the mechanism here is that in the narcissists mind they try to attribute their own unhealthy behavior, perspective, and character traits to the other person because it shifts attention and responsibility from them. And if the other person is all these bad things, then it can’t be that. I am these things thinks the narcissist I’m the good guy here.
    https://psychcentral.com/blog/psychology-self/2018/07/narcissist-delusion#2

    Feb 08th, 2022 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Swede

    Well, the U.K. has left E.U. Perhaps some European countries do not feel that they are “obliged” to support Britain in the same way now. But why should they really support Argentina? As far as I can see the “Malvinas Question” is a “non-issue” for most Europeans. It is almost never on the news agenda here. Few care about it. Younger people do not remember the war in -82 and have perhaps not even heard about this conflict. There are so many more important and bigger conflicts around the world. Today both Great Britain and Argentina are outside of the E.U. So perhaps the E.U. is more “neutral” today than it was when a Member State was involved. But most people in Europe are still great friends of Britain which they consider a friendly neighbour, which they often visit. Argentina, on the other hand is is a country far away, associated with military juntas, failing economy, and known for giving refuge to war criminals such as Mengele or Eichmann. And, most important, the U.K. is still a more important trading partner for most Europeans.

    Feb 08th, 2022 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse +2
  • Monkeymagic

    If Argentina had “inherited” the Falklands from Spain, why did they not inherit Uruguay or Paraguay?

    If the Vernet business was de facto an Argentine colony why did Vernet leave the British Matthew Brisbane in charge of the business when he left?

    If Argentina had an inalienable right to the islands why did the SS Sarandi need to go there to claim that right?

    If the SS Sarandi claimed the rights in November 1832, did they then lose the rights when the mutineed, killed Esteban Mestevier their captain and raped his wife?

    Why do any of the myths and fantasies above give Argentina more rights to the Falklands, than the Amerindians they displaced in Patagonia far later?

    Feb 11th, 2022 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +2

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