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UK and Argentina clash at UN Fourth Committee on Decolonization over Falklands, South Atlantic Islands and self determination
Among the several issues addressed by the UN Fourth Committee was the draft resolution titled “Dissemination of information on decolonization”, contained in Chapter XIII of the Special Committee’s report. The text was approved by a recorded vote of 143 in favour to 3 against (Israel, United Kingdom, United States) and 1 abstention (France). Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat will this achieve? NOTHING ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING!!!
Oct 19th, 2022 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse +5“The representative of Argentina recalled that visiting missions only proceeded in territories where the United Nations had determined that the principle of self-determination was applicable.”
Oct 19th, 2022 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse +3Thank you for reminding us.
“The General Assembly would reaffirm the inalienable right of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination, including -- if they so wished -- independence, by the terms of one of seven draft resolutions and two decisions on decolonization questions approved this afternoon by the Fourth Committee (Special Political and Decolonization).
Following the conclusion this afternoon of its general debate, the Committee, acting without a vote, approved that two-part consolidated text on small island Territories, by which the Assembly would reaffirm that it is ultimately for the people of the remaining 16 Territories on the Committee's list to determine freely their future political status.”
https://press.un.org/en/2002/gaspd238.doc.htm
The Falkland islanders have already told the world in a referendum in 2013 that they wished to remain a part of the British overseas territory.
Oct 19th, 2022 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina is the only party that does not accept that decision, yet the UN clearly states that the people of any colonial territory have the absolute right to determine their own future. Only Argentina refuses to allow that because they want only one outcome. Sovereignty.
Sovereignty is not for negotiation but the islanders who have the ultimate right to determine their own future.
Argentina is not in that part of their future so it is highly unlikely that Britain and Argentina can ever have dialogue.
Time Argentina stopped its aggression towards a people. Maybe that is the angle the UK should be using at these meetings.
Falklands-Free
Oct 19th, 2022 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse -9The Malvinas case is different. There is no subjugated people, oppressed by colonial power. As was the case in many African countries. Or even in America. The Argentine people fought for their self-determination. In those cases, the U.N. and Argentina support the right to self-determination.
In the Malvinas case, a state usurped a part of its territory from another state and turned it into a colony. Where the people brought by the usurping state cannot decide on the fate of the territory.
That is why the United Kingdom, which is causing this problem, must negotiate with Argentina. From my point of view, both countries should accept shared sovereignty to end the conflict.
The proper avenue to discuss sovereignty disputes is via the UN ICJ not through UN Committees.
Oct 19th, 2022 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina could challenge the UK’s sovereignty of the Falklands by taking its case to the ICJ just as it has challenged other states but has never done so. The only assumption is that Argentina doubts the strength of its own case.
Argentina’s Failure to Present Its Falklands Case to the International Court: https://www.academia.edu/44992287/Argentinas_Failure_to_Present_its_Falklands_Claim_to_the_International_Court
”The text was approved by a recorded vote of 143 in favour to 3 against (Israel, United Kingdom, United States) and 1 abstention (France)“ the whole world against 3 and one dubious nothing more to add.
Oct 19th, 2022 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Then when it comes to ”referendum“, ”democracy” -clearly rigged by UK- we can see the Venezuela/Maduro/venezuelan people's case to see why the 1st world or western world have doble standars to apply whatever they fit best.
Geeeeeeee....
Oct 19th, 2022 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -5- Them Engrish Colonialists are really in desperate need of a new enemy to distract & placate their Brainwashed, Unwashed Turnipy masses...
- Their last one...,designated by MP & Ex-Home Secretary..., Cruella Bravewoman didn't last long...:
- (“ It's the Labour Party, it's the Lib Dems, it's the coalition of chaos, it's the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati, dare I say, the anti-growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our roads today.”)
Would be nice for Argentina if Cruella's replacement would rehash its predecessor...:
- Yes, I'm afraid, it's them Argie Labours, it's them Argie Lib Dems, it's the coalition of Argie Chaos, it's the Clarin-reading, tofu-eating Argierati, dare I say, the anti-growth Argie coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our Country today.”
Capisce...?
“Them Engrish Colonialists are really in desperate need of a new enemy”
Oct 19th, 2022 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Why? when they can play around with lying Argentina.
“The Malvinas case is different”
The UN says otherwise.
“The General Assembly would reaffirm the inalienable right of the peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories to self-determination, including -- if they so wished -- independence, by the terms of one of seven draft resolutions and two decisions on decolonization questions approved this afternoon by the Fourth Committee (Special Political and Decolonization).
Following the conclusion this afternoon of its general debate, the Committee, acting without a vote, approved that two-part consolidated text on small island Territories, by which the Assembly would reaffirm that it is ultimately for the people of the remaining 16 Territories on the Committee's list to determine freely their future political status.”
https://press.un.org/en/2002/gaspd238.doc.htm
To anyone that can read and comprehend Engrish...
Oct 19th, 2022 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse -5- The UNITED NATIONS..., in all its documentation dealing with the...: “QUESTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS / MALVINAS”..., ALWAYS refers to this “QUESTION” as a...: “SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION”...
- In the latest U.N. document about the Falkland/Malvinas issue (23 June, 2022)..., the phrase...: “SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION” can be found not fewer than nine (9) times...!
https://press.un.org/en/2022/gacol3361.doc.htm
Capisce Engrish..., huhhhh...?
Argentina continues to throw the dummy out of the pram. It makes me laugh when they say they support the right to self determination. That Argentina, is exactly what the people of the Falkland Islands want. The right to determine their own future. Not one with Argentina as it happens, those rights are recorded in the UN and the committee of 24, yet Argentina rejects those rights because it does not include sovereignty which is all they actually want.
Oct 19th, 2022 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse +5How many times does Britain and the people of the Falkland Islands have to repeat this position.
Argentina has never been able to prove any claim. They use the belief they inherited the islands from Spain.
Does that mean they also inherited all that land to the south of Buenos Aires. No of course they did not. They stole all that land and the world knows it. Now they want to steal more land but this time have been stopped in their tracks and it hurts their pride. They are now more angry that Britain defeated them and kicked them out of a British Territory. They hate it even more because the people of the islands now no longer trust them. They should have thought about the consequences of that invasion in 1982.
They have revoked all of the UN agreements because of that on aggressive act and it really hurts them.
It hurts them more to know that an indoctrinated belief that islanders do not exist are actually very much real and doing very well with their economy, something Argentina has failed at.
They have disgraced themselves on the world stage through debt, all they have is their propaganda war over something they have never actually owned.
Argentina is in dire straits right now and need a distraction, any distraction.
“SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR COLONIAL SITUATION”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse +2Only according to Argentine pretensions.
Unfortunately, all the unsupported lamentations in the world don’t allow for end- runs around Article 73 of the UN Charter.
“According to General Assembly resolution 1541 (XV) of 1960 entitled “Principles which should guide Members in determining whether or not an obligation exists to transmit the information called for under Article 73 e of the Charter”, a Non-Self-Governing Territory can be said to have reached a full measure of self-government by:
• Emergence as a sovereign independent State;
• Free association with an independent State;
• Integration with an independent State.
In addition, by the “Declaration on Principles of International law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations”, as approved by the General Assembly by its resolution 2625 (XXV) of 1970, the General Assembly solemnly proclaimed the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and cooperation among States, including the principle of “equal rights and self-determination of peoples”. In that principle, it is stated that the “establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people”.
https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/en/about
Anyone that can read and comprehend Engrish...?
Oct 20th, 2022 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse -6VERBATIM...:
- ”By the terms of the text titled 'Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)', which was adopted without a vote, the Special Committee regretted that, despite the widespread international support for a negotiation between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom, the implementation of the General Assembly resolutions on this question has not yet started.
- By other terms, it reiterated that the way to put an end to the special and particular colonial situation in the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) is the peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty between the two Governments.”
https://press.un.org/en/2022/gacol3361.doc.htm
Anyone...?
Taenk
Oct 20th, 2022 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse +2UN C24 Decolonisation Committee Resolutions Are Not UN Policy.
Resolutions from committees may be rejected or amended by the Assembly. Consequently, unless and until they are endorsed by the Assembly, no resolutions from the Special Committee can be regarded as UN policy. The Assembly has not considered the ‘’Falkland Islands (Malvinas) Question’’ nor adopted any resolution on the question since 1988. (Meetings of the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation, www South Atlantic Council www Staff City ac UK, Willetts P. 2012).
What a disgrace for the “Allies group”. Now we see what NATO is all about. Loudly and clearly the in the most poignant manner by the sheer demonstration of a simple vote, we see unanimity against the well defined map of antagonism in the world, separating it by contrasting the lack of independent thinking by Israel, the lackey of Britain and America, and for which reasons are we compelled to think? We know their horrendous abuse against the Palestinians, and confrontational stance against their defenders in Iran.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse -2This is what it comes to, over a gentle diplomatic decision, we see who are the greedy enemies of peace on the planet.
What's funny in this publication, is seeing how everyone scrams to try and discredit the Argentine pronouncement or response to Britain. But no one utters a peep about what this tight hypocritical group of three opposed to the rest of the UN members signifies and is telling us, by their common unifying characteristic. So many things can be deduced from this vote. But no one here has the courage to do so. The suggestion that this is the alliance that expects to dominate the rest of the planet, is just one of them. What does it tell about the truth of what is going on in Ukraine? ... in Taiwan? when what is most outstanding to notice is how these countries want to impose their will against conflicts and thus, against truth.
All you Argentine fanatics surely by now must realise that the sovereignty is not up for negotiations. Britain has made its case very well known to the UN and the C24 that nothing will be done against the wishes of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands. But Argentina continues to reject those wishes and rights as set out in the UN charter because they demand Britain talks sovereignty. Britain does not need to talk about sovereignty. All they need to talk about is better relations with a rogue country to establish peace in the south Atlantic. Argentina refuses to enter into those type of talks demanding only sovereignty. It is very much abundantly clear that Britain has made their decisions about sovereignty and that there is no further reason to discuss it.Argentina needs to accept that and move on.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse +2”Anyone that can read and comprehend Engrish...?”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse +2Yeah! it couldn’t be plainer.
“Self Determination enshrined over Territorial Integrity
The United Nations Fourth Committee has rejected by a vote of 61 - 40 the attempt, made through a draft resolution at the last decolonization Committee of 24 seminar, to include a specific exclusion of territories affected by a sovereignty dispute, such as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar, from the omnibus resolution that reaffirms inalienable right of self-determination of 11 territories.”
https://en.mercopress.com/2008/10/23/self-determination-enshrined-over-territorial-integrity
“There is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
Nice to see that the UK is still on all the right aspects of international law. Whereas, the Argentine can’t find a single one.
Falklands free and Terence Hill, unfortunately for you, you could not be more dead wrong about tbe “wishes of the islanders self-determination criteria” you have been fooled with, and have come to believe. It is a bogus strategy, a lie that in no way fits nor can it be applied to their Malvinas Falklands conflict. The islanders simply do not have the platform nor the authority to decide on a sovereignty issue between two indepent nations in the world. Britain and the United States along with Israel are clearly trying to cheat at the United Nations.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse -2“The Argentine sovereignty claim over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands for us is a closed case”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Whereas the reality is.
“The United Nations Fourth Committee has rejected by a vote of 61 - 40 the attempt, made through a draft resolution at the last decolonization Committee of 24 seminar, to include a specific exclusion of territories affected by a sovereignty dispute, such as the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar, from the omnibus resolution that reaffirms inalienable right of self-determination of 11 territories”
https://en.mercopress.com/2008/10/23/self-determination-enshrined-over-territorial-integrity
Falklands-Free
Oct 20th, 2022 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse -4The Argentine territory with the Malvinas Islands included as well as many countries in the region arise from a previously Spanish territory. It is not a belief and history proves it.
also the lands south of Buenos Aires. Even agreeing with you that it is a territory stolen from the original inhabitants, your entire argument falls apart because the islands were occupied by a people that had achieved self-determination.
It's funny that a people that has stolen land and killed people for centuries around the world is shocked.
The islanders exist but they cannot decide in a conflict with the United Kingdom.
It's like robbing you of your home and after many years saying, oh no I'll just talk to you if my kids want me to.
Capisce....,
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/07/british-sovereignty-falklands-absurd-imperial-hangover-argentina
Oct 20th, 2022 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse -4“British sovereignty over the Falklands is an absurd imperial hangover that must end“
Malvi, you did not inherit anything from Spain, not Cuba, not any other Carribean island not any other South American territory, the Falklands were already claimed, why did the United Provinces send 24 murdering rapist soldiers,? to take them by force that is why, there was a buisness venture on the island led by a German with his second in command who was Btitish, who had asked for permission to go to the islands, Your military was warned twice in advance not to try and take the islands, they were warned again to leave after they had landed, there is zero historical evidence for Argentinas claim, its a myth and a lie, and if the islanders can not decide on their own future then every white man on the American continent cant decide anything either, just repeating the same old nonsense does not make it true, Argentina will never get the Falklands unless the islanders choose that way, go research Spains historical records and it may just shock and surprise you,
Oct 20th, 2022 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Your entire argument falls apart because the islands were occupied by a people that had achieved self-determination.”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You mean murder, rape and mayham
The historical view of Argentina has been observed. As the US chargé d'affaires Francis Baylies wrote about Argentina in 1832
“...The revolutions of these people are seditious; their knowledge. chicanery and trickery; their patriotism, their liberty, a farce... ”
(Baylies held that the US should sign no treaty )...for we would abide by it, and they would consider the violation no greater offense than a lie told by a schoolboy...“
http ://www.latinamericanstudies.org/argentina/rosas.pdf
”The confidential draft of CONVENTION OF PEACE, arranged with H. E. the Honourable Henry Southern Esquire, and referred by him to the Government of H. B. M. and which is the same that same that has been accepted without any alteration by the Government of H.M., and signed by the Argentine and British Plenipotentiaries, after the exchange of their respective powers,” Juan M. De Rosa.
Buenos Ayres, December 27th 1849. Chamber of Representatives
An international law issue that Argentina conceded in 1850, with the signing of the Convention of Settlement.
“Legal Definition of uti possidetis
: a principle in international law that recognizes a peace treaty between parties as vesting each with the territory and property under its control unless otherwise stipulated”
https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/uti%20possidetis
Storm in a teacup, at best.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse +2This in no way whatsoever affects the Islanders right to self-determination as enshrined in the UN charter and de-colonisation declaration UNGA resolution 1415.
Which is the agreed UN position and international law on the subject.
But hey, pissing on their fireworks aside, this counts as a BIG VICTORY for the Malvinazis. Bought at no small cost when you consider the amount of money Argentina spends on this.
A whole government department, replete with budget, right down to printing maps they have coloured in, to put up in schools, of an area they don’t control.
Marvellous.
Meanwhile, in Argy occupied Wallmapu:
https://en.mercopress.com/2022/10/15/mapuche-rebels-stage-new-attack-in-argentine-patagonia#comments
The struggle continues to free the land of the implanted population of ‘Winka’ squatting there.
Can’t be nice for the Natives, having a bunch of Squatting Winkas, Stinking up the place.
Judge Jose
Oct 20th, 2022 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2I know that it is very difficult to agree, we have different positions, but I am open to any proposal in which a solution can be reached for the good of all parties.
We must put aside intolerance and intransigence to be pragmatic and intelligent.
In a negotiation you win and you lose, not everything is won. But if we win a definitive peace that would be a triumph. Even if we lose something.
Shared sovereignty? Does not like?
Arbitration? You don't like it then you have CIJ.
If you want to put an end to Argentina's claim, ask your government to dialogue to follow any of these options.
If Argentina rejects this, I will be the first Argentine to support self-determination for the islanders.
As far as the British are concerned this is a ‘closed case’.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +3https://en.mercopress.com/2022/10/20/uk-ambassador-in-peru-falklands-malvinas-is-a-closed-case-for-us
The British will discuss ‘matters of mutual interest’ and nothing else.
Whether and when Argentina ‘ends’ its claim is entirely a matter for Argentina.
For there to be any kind of ‘negotiation’, more than one outcome must be possible, whereas Argentina’s constitution says only one outcome is possible.
Then you need someone to ‘negotiate’ with, where Argentina doesn’t recognise the Island government.
Finally you need something to ‘negotiate’ with and what does Argentina bring to the table??? Except a list of demands, what does Argentina have to offer???
There is nothing to be gained from even talking to Argentina.
The less involvement Argentina has in the future development of the Islands, the better, safer and easier it will be for the Islanders, going forward.
Is the uncomfortable truth for Argentina.
Geeeeeeeeee....
Oct 20th, 2022 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse -1The Brainwashed Anglo Turnip on record here at PenguinPress for having solemnly declared a couple of months ago..., that “Miss Least Trust” was the best person in his Country to become Engrish Prime Ministerette..., has reappeared...
Now he's lecturing us about the weather..., the United Nations and Southamerican politics...!
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Malvi, please listen,
Oct 20th, 2022 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +3It is not for the British government to negotiate anything regarding the islands, if Argentina wants to talk then they need to talk to the islanders themselves, it is their land and it is your crazy leader Fernandez who will not talk to them, the continued sabre rattling from Buenos Aires does nothing more than widen the gap, i told you in a different thread that when your previous government were in power relations improved, the fisheries could have been shared, oil revenue if it ever happens could have benefitted Argentina too, a weekly flight to Argentina from Stanley could have been in place, Fernadez and Kirchner wrecked all that, they try to bully and harass 3600 people constantly , but nothing will change because of that, vote your idiot government out of power and get more tolerant people in charge and things can start to improve again,
That is WRONG Judge Jose.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Wrong Pugol-H.
Terrence Hill;
- What needs to be understood here, is that the British argument is bogus, and I'm not messing around when I say that. It is nothing but an invented strategy of political unsubstantiated logic, which nonetheless attempts to win this dispute through ideological inferences. However it does not hold water, it's just a strategy based on fooling the public into believing London is being righteously correct about its argument, when in fact by doing that it is attempting to cheat. It is using the ideas of self governance and human rights to attempt to empower the islanders with a capacity they simply never had.
Britain CREATED their overseas administration. Britain is very much the governing ruling entity, except it tries to convince the world that the islanders are there of their own making, but they are not. They are there to serve British interests. They have no substantiated authority to match the level of matters among sovereign nations no more than Argentinian citizens, or British citizens, or Chinese citizens do before a matter that involves sovereign nations. Britain has invented a narrative that somehow attempts to have us all believe that the islanders have more rights in Argentine matters regarding another sovereign nation than Argentina itself does, and that could never be possible simply because the critical order in the creation of nations by people is: 1st their government and its authority over them and its relationship to other governments. 2nd come the people who are protected by that government yet not endowed with more authority than their government, unless things are changed. In this case the people on the islands must yield to a matter that concerns their government and Argentina. When I say their government, I mean their sovereign government. OR, choose to break away from London, be fully independent, and acquire a new individual platform with its own authority. They can't have it both ways.
What an utter and complete load of blabbering gibbering nonsense Trimonde, if you really believe what you have just written then you need help, everyone of the BOTs can have independence tomorrow if they want it, at the moment they choose not to, Bermuda will probably the next country to go independent, but when that is it will be there decision, and of course the islanders have more rights than Argentinians, British and Chinese have over the islands, its there home, my gut feeling is they will be independent within 15 to 20 years, by then the infrastructure and population will have been modernised and increased, your own government know this but they keep up this whinging and moaning charade because they think it makes them popular with the voters,, long after you and i are dead and cremated the Falklands will still be around,
Oct 20th, 2022 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“The British argument is bogus”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The only claim that is bogus is yours, as you have failed to meet your burden of proof. Thus, you are shown for liar you are. No proof, no truth
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Christopher Hitchens
While you have failed to refute the any and all, both legal and historical British claims. As all Argentinian claims are refuted to perpetuity by your signing of the 1850 peace treaty.
You are not understanding a word I said “Judge”; and a real bad one at that if you ask me.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse -1What they “could have tomorrow if that is what they wanted” ? ...Really?? Are you attempting to correct me on a plausible hypothesis which they have not even demonstrated having an interest in? LOL ... You're such an idiot! You want me to say “Oh, you're right then, if ”they wanted to” they could be a free nation in theory, OK let's just consider that reality ? You're a moron. You're only re-affirming my point. Today, they have no such right.
Let me try again, and do try to understand this time. A matter of territorial sovereignty among whole and sovereign nations (on top of it predating the arrival of these islanders on an already disputed territory by both said sovereign nations) is not subject to the will of these new-comers to the situation already being argued. Moreover they have no political sovereign authority by which to say “shut up Britain and Argentina, this is our decision”. They are under the UK, under Britain, and yes even under England by virtue of the King being their sovereign ruler. Stupid. They don't have a country to stand on that is not called Great Britain. Thus they must refer to their governments' problem with Argentina as their first matter of concern. They are not God sweetie. They are citizens under a country's authority like the rest of us are. NOW, they could have changed that had they become fully and entirely independent and separate of Britain and its King.
The reason you don't understand that is because like a parrot, you have memorized this bullshit Britain is trying to pull by repeating it over and over. But if you stopped to think just one minute about its logic, you too would see why it does not make sense. However that is not stopping your country and the US from lying and trying to fool everyone with its incoherent reasoning. Britain invented BOTS precisely to have a fake way out of having to face their teritorial occupation situations
Again, resorting to personal name calling, the only idiot is you, a pretty disgusting idiot at that, your pompous long winded twaddle is nothing more than crap, Canada has got a UK king does that not make them a country too, more blithering nonsense, almost every post you make is a barking mad conspiracy theory straight out of Donald Trumps handbook, i have done a dam site more research than you sonny boy, we are not brainwashed children like you lot who are indoctrinated from birth, what you are not clever enough to understand is that you are a laughing stock on this website, and as for logic, you wouldnt know it if it bit you on the backside, so take your racist fascist views and shove them were the sun dont shine you pathetic excuse for a man,
Oct 20th, 2022 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You are cheating liars. Why do you think the UN was practically unanimous on the side of Argentina on this one?? Because everyone has finally figured out that YOUR COUNTRY USES the “self determination” crap, to hide conflicts from the public's inspection, and pass the buck onto another ghost entity, which though has no political integral platform or any form of so much as and outlined sovereign state, still has managed to seduce people by sounding sound and righteous. But the fact is that the Anglo Northamerican political narrative has wised up to this charade in order to paint over and attempt to cover and bury legitimate claims by third countries, trying to convince everyone that “what those people want” is what matters. WRONG, LAIRS. wE seeee yoouuuuu. If your countries' sentiments were genuine and honest, then you would honor self determination claims by the people on Chagos Diego Garcia, or Hawaii... or you would pretend at least to hear what a large number of Puerto Ricans say, or what the people in Guam have been claiming for years. OH, but those are not “self determination claims” you care to hear, ARE THEY? You only play with those where you have managed the people on those territories to go alone with the bullshit, places where they don't really have much pride and desire for their own TRUE self determination and independence, but where they are contented to be well kept inside a semblance of little more than limited autonomy, satisfied merely with being able to toot their own horn, well within something they have been trained to call the protective umbrella of the UK.
Oct 20th, 2022 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse -2ALL BULLSHIT CREATED JUST SO THAT LONDON CAN STASH OUT OF SIGHT OTHER COUNTRIES' DENOUNCMENT AND PROTEST OF TERRITORIAL USURPATION FROM TE WORLD. thieves.
“YOUR COUNTRY USES the “self determination” crap”
Oct 20th, 2022 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +1It may be crap to you, but the UK is just for filling her UN mandated Charter requirement under Article 73.
“UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
“Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
The content of self-determination as laid down in the Covenants Article 1 of both the UN Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides as follows:
All peoples have the right of self-determination. ... All peoples may, ... freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources ...
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Governing and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.”
Terrence Hill, answer me this one question:
Oct 20th, 2022 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What WAS Article 73 created for? What aspect of modern history is the whole decolonization sector of articles and mandates of the United Nations essentially addressing?
Malvinense 1833
Oct 20th, 2022 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +2I can understand your ideals. The reality is for years and years Argentina all on it's own has been pushing the sovereignty claim.
To think that all it has achieved is death and destruction, both in human lives and their economy, not to mention the terror brought upon a peaceful people who simply just want to live the lives of their choosing.
The reality is that even as far back as 1833. Britain did not colonise the islands. People from all over the world wanted to start a new life in a place far from all the turmoil and politics.
Yes some came from various parts of the UK, yes some came even from south America including Argentina. What followed then was the culminating of generations from these mixed nationals that eventually became known as Falkland Islanders.
Falkland islanders simply devised a barron land and made a living from the land.
Then Argentina started the claim based on a bit if sculdugary that happened before 1833.
It escalated to whete today the people of Argentina have been lied to so much that they genuinely believe they own the islands.
We islanders on the other hand wanted to have a lifestyle that was even differant to that of even England.
The islanders pushed for years to get that recognition and finally in 2013 in a referendum determined their own future. It was totally respected by the UK but Argentina refused to accept we should be allowed to live the life of our choosing.
So rather than continue to argue about sovereignty that both Britain or the islanders wish to discuss. Argentina needs to accept that they need to let the islanders run their country in a way they want.
The protecting forces are hete to stop 1982 ever happening again while we push forward our aspirations to live the lives of our choosing and to continue to build on our own reserves without interference from both Britain and Argentina.
Then regional peace will follow.
One day we may be big enough to become independent. We would still seek protection.
“What WAS Article 73 created for?”
Oct 21st, 2022 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse +2It’s abundantly clear.
“Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ...peoples have not yet attained ...of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ...b. to develop self-government, ...”
It’s abundantly clear that under the tenets of international law. That the signing of a peace treaty, had put to an end any further territorial disputes.
Judge Jose
Oct 21st, 2022 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I agree with almost everything, with trimonde I agree that the dispute existed between Argentina and Great Britain before the existence of the so-called “islander people”.
Even so, my positive vote goes to you because I perfectly understand your point of view.
Falklands-Free
If Argentina yields and recognizes the island government and even an Argentine President visits the islands to negotiate, what would they respond?
Malvi, i really do not know what the future relations between the islanders and Argentina will be, talking respectfully to each other is a good first step, there can be lots of cooperation if people talk, it takes time but time can heal wounds, as i said before your previous government had far more decency than Fernandez and Kirchner and things were slowly improving, however Fern and Kirch destroyed that in the first week they were elected, school children visits would be a good first step as long as politics are kept out of it,
Oct 21st, 2022 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stinka Winka
Oct 21st, 2022 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh no, no, noooooo, Kurepi Planter speak with forked tongue methinks, as always you ignore the facts and attempt to completely misrepresent something and hope nobody notices.
How very Argy of you.
So, just for the record:
https://en.mercopress.com/2022/06/09/falklands-war-armed-forces-charity-ssafa-concerned-with-uk-public-little-knowledge-about-the-conflict/comments#comment521715
As you can clearly see, I merely predicted (correctly) she would be the next PM, no ‘declaration’ or opinion/view of any kind expressed.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story eh.
BTW, does your house insurance cover Acts of Terrorism? You know, if your Squat in Wallmapu gets torched by the restless Natives.
Judge Jose - Malvinense 1833 - Falklands-Free.
Well you guys seem able to ‘talk respectfully to each other’.
TATETIH*...
Oct 21st, 2022 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse -1I Tænk..., I have found the “Pie” our beloved MissTrusst was growing...!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aIh7XJVxCAY
* (To All Them Engrish Turnips In Here...)
Chuckle..., chuckle...
The F.I. can of course get independence if they want so. Most countries of the former British Empire have been independent states many decades now. Some are Commonwealth Realms, such as Australia and Canada, many are Republics (but still Members of the Commonwealth) such as India and Pakistan, and a few have left community altogether, such as Myanmar or Ireland.
Oct 21st, 2022 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Falkland Islands have a few problems, however, being an independent state. The size of its population is one and the other is its neighbour Argentina. If the F.I. were granted independence the Argies could not “pull the colonialist card” anymore, but they would not drop the claim anyhow and they would try to block the F.I. from U.N. membership any many other things. The F.I. as a young independent state would be very vulnerable and still need U.K. military protection. Perhaps an even bigger garrison than today. I think they prefer the current status as a BOT.
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