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President Fernández: British “usurpation” of Malvinas embarrassing
Argentine President Alberto Fernández Tuesday insisted that the British “usurpation” of the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands “should embarrass the whole world.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentine lying about “British “usurpation” of the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands “ should be the only embarrassment.
Jan 04th, 2023 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse +5The Convention of Settlement, 1850. This is how legal scholars of the day and therefore nations viewed the effects of such a peace treaty:
“LAWS OF WAR By H. W. HALLECK, 1866, CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
§ 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. ... ...Treaties of peace, made by the competent authorities of such governments, are obligatory upon the whole nation, and, consequently, upon all succeeding governments, whatever may be their character.”
Historical Facts – Appointment of Mestivier and British Protest
Jan 04th, 2023 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse +5On 23rd September 1832, Argentine ship, the Sarandi sailed from Buenos Aires with Major Esteban Mestivier in charge to garrison the islands. On 28th September 1832 British Consul Henry Fox protested to Maza, Argentina minister of foreign affairs, about the decree appointing Mestivier and the dispatch of the garrison to the Falklands preserving British rights to the Falklands. The protest read ‘…it becomes his duty now again* officially to declare to the Government of Buenos Ayres, that sovereignty of the Falkland Islands …is vested in the crown of Great Britain and that no act of government or authority can be exercised over these islands by any other power, without infringing upon the just rights of His Britannic Majesty.’ Maza acknowledged receipt of the protest and stated that the government would reply in due course. There was no reply. *referring to the earlier protest regarding Vernet’s appointment (Ref: (Falklands Facts and Fallacies, the Falkland Islands in History and International Law, Pascoe G. p145, 2020, quoting text from PRO FO 6 499, Fols 195-196).
Britain did not expel Argentine settlers in 1833. They merely reasserted sovereignty.
Falklands – The Usurpation Myth (1 pg): https://www.academia.edu/44026596/Falklands_The_Usurpation_Myth
The only People who should feel embarrassed is Argentina with it`s continuing Spurious Claim!!
Jan 04th, 2023 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +4What is embarrassing is the Argentine politicians repeating lie after lie, and the pure fantasy world they live in,
Jan 04th, 2023 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Lots of scope for serious embarrassment over past deeds:-
Jan 04th, 2023 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Seriously misleading the first Welsh settlers in Patagonia
Organised extermination of indigenous peoples of the pampas
Cosying up to Hitler and Mussolini until it was clear how WW2 would end
Stealing babies and giving them to “worthy” families
Dropping the parents of those babies into the sea
Systematically bringing what was once one of the richest countries in the world to the verge of bankruptcy
Borrowing vast amounts of other people's money and constantly seeking to avoid paying it back.
Oh yes Argentina, your successive governments are world leaders in embarrassment, all of it of your own making!
Argentina must be in even more dire straits than we thought when they go on whipping this dead horse.
Jan 04th, 2023 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse +5They themselves admitted back in 1825 that the British Falkland Islands were NOT one of their territories.
The only thing that's embarrassing is these peroncho chantapfis running a bankrupt country with an army that sells its ammo to criminals on the black market trying to bully people that could turn their capital into a crater...
Jan 05th, 2023 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse +3Argentina can whistle for the Falklands until the cows come home, they are British and shall remain so.
Jan 05th, 2023 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Brainwashed Anglo Turnip just above says...:
Jan 06th, 2023 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4- “Argentina can whistle for the Falklands until the cows come home”
This humble Patagonian says...:
- Careful with what you wish..., Engrishman..., we may use kulning... ;-)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nc7F_qv3eI8
Capisce...?
@ Steve Potts
Jan 06th, 2023 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I would like to know how British sovereignty was preserved. Without possession and with 32 Spanish governors prior to the argentine governors.
And yes, they expelled the argentine settlers.
Capisce....?
“I would like to know how British sovereignty was preserved. Without possession”
Jan 06th, 2023 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse +1“...But, after critically reviewing the bases for Argentina’s claim to sovereignty, one must conclude that Argentina never developed definite title to the Islands. None of the bases argued by Argentina are conclusive in establishing sovereignty. Applying the rules concerning the mode of extinctive prescription to Great Britain's claim results in a different conclusion. Extinctive prescription involves possession, ... However, since this was such a long period of time, exceeding eighty years, one could conclude under general principles of international law that this was a sufficient period to extinguish Argentina's claim in spite of her diplomatic protests.
“Great Britain has acquired title to the Islands by extinctive prescription Argentina did not take advantage of the available international bodies for peaceful adjudication of the disputed title.
6. Comparison sf the Competing Claims of Argentina and GB
Regardless of the conclusion reached above, however, the establishment of the world courts changed the situation so that diplomatic protests were no longer sufficient to keep Argentina's claim to sovereignty alive.”
The Falklands (Malvinas) Islands: An International Law Analysis of the Dispute Between Argentina and Great Britain Major James Francis Gravelle
MILITARY LAW REVIEW CONTEMPORARY INTERNATIONAL LEGAL ISSUES
Pamphlet NO. 27-100-107 HEADQUARTERS DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY; Washington, D.C., Winter 1985
https://tjaglcspublic.army.mil/documents/27431/2250255/View+the+PDF/9f574121-93e6-4494-a347-89f4999c3bee
Malvinense
Jan 08th, 2023 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Please can you give me the name of a single Argentine settler who was expelled.
In order to qualify as an “Argentine” and a “settler” and “evicted” the following criteria need to be met.
Firstly, they need to be Argentine, not Spanish, British, Uruguayan...but Argentine.
Secondly, they need to be a settler, so not someone who arrived as a part of a militia just 12 weeks earlier to usurp the islands for Argentina, not their families or other crew of the SS Sarandi.
Thirdly, they must have been evicted, i.e. forced to leave the islands against their will.
So far there have been zero names provided that fit those criteria.
What there is, the crew of the SS Sarandi, the militia who arrived with them, their families...all who first arrived in November 1832. NOT ARGENTINE SETTLERS
A handful of the remnants of the Vernet business, including the British leader, Brisbane, a Uruguayan family and a few others, who chose to leave, and in the case of Brisbane returned a few months later. NOT EVICTED.
You and your Peronist puppet masters portray a Biblical eviction of thousands on happy peaceful Argentine's, but can not actually name a single one. Because there wasn't any.
That is why Argenina sent Mestevier in 1832, to claim the islands, an odd thing to do if they were already Argentine.
@monkey magic... Malvina vernet, and another houndred settlers were expeled, evicted and they cudnt come back theyr lovely home.
Jan 09th, 2023 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same evil pattern applied in Chagos between 1955 and 1973. They blocked the Chagossians from returning to their islands, stopping the boats that brought food, leading to famine.
They murdered the islands' dog population, first poisoning them and then herding and gassing them. Those who escaped were beaten and later burned at the stake, much to the sadness of the Chagossians, for whom dogs were vitally important as pets and hunting companions.
Many of the Chagossians who were traveling in Mauritius, such as the singer Chartesie Alexis in 1968 or Christian Ramdas in 1971, saw that they were denied the right to return to Chagos to collect their belongings.An iconic case was that of María Aimee , who in 1969 took her children to Port Louis, Mauritius, for medical treatment and then was not allowed to board the ship to return home. She was only able to reunite with her husband two years later. There were also embarked by force and others who were deceived with hooks such as free vacations abroad to later prevent them from returning.
According to international law, there are no differences if, at the time of the expulsion, they displaced a minority population due to the disbandment of the USS Lexington.
The United Kingdom banned citizens who lived peacefully in Port Louis before the US frigate attack from returning to their homes.
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