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UK reply to Argentina at OAS, “no dialogue on sovereignty unless the Falkland Islanders wish it”
British Foreign Minister for the Americas and the Caribbean, David Rutley MP gave a statement, on 23 June, to the Organization of America States in response to the Argentine Government's draft declaration on the Falkland Islands: Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWe talked already.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse +6From 1966 to 1982, we talked.
Then Argentina stopped talking, and opted for trial by combat.
................
Nothing left to be said.
The matter is settled.
Argentina, Falklands and the OAS
Jun 26th, 2023 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse +6The OAS can't be taken seriously in respect of the Falklands. They ignore their own democratic principles and support Argentine colonialism.
Falklands & The OAS (1 PG): https://www.academia.edu/37213227/Falklands_and_The_OAS
Thats about it
Jun 26th, 2023 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse +4Another nail in the Argentine attempt to colonise the Falklands coffin
Chuckle
Mr. David Rutley you have your islands many miles from here in the North Atlantic.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse -9Return the islands that they usurped from Argentina and open negotiations to find a satisfactory solution for all involved.
Your country caused the problem, you have a moral duty to start a dialogue with Argentina.
Malvinense 1833
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse +7Argentina has NO moral nor legal claim to the Falkland Islands. The Islanders have the right to determine who governs. They have no desire to be part of the third world.
@ steve potss
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse -9The islands belong to Argentina and if the islanders do not want to belong to the third world they can go to their islands in the North Atlantic. You are the intruders in our country, in our Patagonia.
1833, go to the ICJ with your evidence and stop crying and whining,
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse +4Malvinense 1833
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse +4You said, ''The islands belong to Argentina ''
Explain why?
@Juan Cerventes
Jun 26th, 2023 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse -7The day of the opening of negotiations or the intervention of the court will come sooner rather than later and the United Kingdom knows it.
@ steve potts
You know, they didn't discover the islands first, they didn't occupy them first, they were never British.
So, 1833 why not go now and save time, no day of reckoning whatsoever . and your final statement is a pack of lies.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Marv
Jun 26th, 2023 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse +5First claim 1594.
First effective establishment 1765
Spain forced to recognize British possession of the Western Isles in 1771
Continuous presence from 1771 until now.
Effective possession of the entire archipelago since 1833
Argentina was never in the game
Malvenese 1833.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Can you prove that Britain never owned the islands. Can you prove that France even owned these islands.
Can you prove that Spain even owned these islands.
The short answer is No you can't.
If you could you would have already been to the ICJ with your case.
By not doing that you have proven you don't have a valid case.
What can be proved is the fact Argentina colonised south America against the wishes of it's people. Patagonia you claim belongs to you, but in truth it never has. It was stolen by Argentina.
So before you mouth off about the people of the Falkland Islands not belonging here. Stop and look at your own History.
There was no one living on the islands when Britain first discovered them. There was people living in Patagonua when Argentina stole that land.
For those reasons you cannot allow yourself to go to the ICJ because you know all this will be included in your claim and telling the world how you stole the land from the indigenous people will not look very favourable will it.
I suggest you quietly slip back into your cave to avoid further humiliation that will eventually be coming to you.
There are islands all over the world that sit very close to another countries shore line but are not contested as being a part of their continental shelf. You are fooling no one but yourself.
@Redhoyt
Jun 26th, 2023 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -61594? I could say that Colon discovered America in 1492.
1765. False. Byron planted a flag and withdrew. The French already occupied the islands.
False. Spain recognized the Port and Fort Egmont. It did not recognize possession of Trinidad/Saunders Island, let alone the entire archipelago.
Continuous presence. False.
They withdrew in 1774 leaving the Spanish occupying the islands.
Correct. Effective British possession of the entire archipelago after expelling the Argentine population from Puerto Soledad, the British had never established themselves on any of the main islands.
The British crown incorporates the islands in 1843, 10 and a half years after the usurpation.
The United Kingdom was never in play, the islands do not belong to it.
Its quite simple them 1833. collect up all your evidence hop on a plane and present it to the courts, what is to stop you ?
Jun 26th, 2023 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Malvinense
Jun 26th, 2023 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse +4You said,
'You know, they didn't discover the islands first, they didn't occupy them first, they were never British.'
British now and that's all that counts:
Before 1 April 1982 only Argentina had objected to British rule over the Falklands. But in the current state of international law, the question of recognition does not arise. As the Permanent Court of International Justice held in the Eastern Greenland Case only two elements are necessary to establish occupation: ‘an intention or will to act as sovereign’ and ‘the adequate exercise or display of sovereignty .’ There can be no doubt that Britain has fulfilled adequately both these requirements in the case alike of the Falkland Islands and the dependencies, and on these grounds alone that the Argentine claim would be held void, as were the French claims in the Minquires and Ecrehos case. (The Falklands Crisis: the Rights and Wrongs, Calvert P. Bloomsbury Academic 2016, p8)
PS - Argentina has NOTHING to put before an international court.
@ Steve Potts if it's so simple, then why doesn't the UK invite Argentina to start negotiations or for both countries to resort to the Court?
Jun 26th, 2023 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse -5In this way they would end the Argentine claims.
Malvenese 1833.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse +4What actually do you think Britain can discuss that Argentina would be willing to discuss with you. Sovereignty is not up for discussion and you know that. So do tell us just what else you feel you could discuss.
The one major factor that Argentina and indeed you have never acknowledged is that there is a third party involved in the future of the islands. They are called the Falkland Islanders who in the UN have bern given the right to decide their own future. So do tell us exactly what you hope to negotiate. Is it fishing is it oil is it tourism. The fact that sovereignty will never be discussed with you by Britain do long as the people want to remain British. So no contest is there.
Also you never made reply comment about how you acquired Patagonia. Could that be because it is do very close to the historic truth of what Argentina done to them.
Malvinense 1833
Jun 26th, 2023 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse +5Argentina will not go to court because Argentina does NOT have a legal case. Argentina refused to take up the UK's offer (made 3-times) to go to the ICJ over Britain's Antarctic dependencies.
You are living in a fantasy world.
Hmmmmmmm...
Jun 26th, 2023 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse -7Article says...:
”British Foreign Minister for the Americas and the Caribbean, David Rutley MP stated..., (mandly, robustly &haughtly) in front of the OAS that there will be...: “No dialogue on sovereignty unless the Falkland Islanders wish it”
I say...:
Well David...
As the international pressure against the fragile, fawlty & little ”Las Malvinas“ submergible keeps increasing..., your lads at the Engrish Foreign & Colonial Office better ”Start Talking Again“ to them ~2 .500 Kelpers and make them ”Desire the Right“...
Ya' know..., as we ”Talked About“ from 1966 to 1973...
Ya' know..., that we ”Agreed Upon“ but you ”Backtracked From“ between 1974 to 1981...
Ya' know..., that ”Backtracking of Yours“ that was used by our Armed Farces Junta for 1982...
C'mon David..., it ain't soo dificult...
Ya' at the FCO have great experience in making your ”Fair Colonials“ to ”Desire the Right”...
Them ~500.000 withies in Rhodesia and them ~5.000.000 withies in Zuid-Afrika..., are still fresh in memory..., ain't them...?
Capisce...?
Troll alert, nobody cares what stink thinks, get a life saddo,
Jun 26th, 2023 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no international pressure Think...none at all.
Jun 26th, 2023 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse +2You've been spewing the same crud for nearly 15 years, and Argentina are further away from sovereignty than ever.
You are a laughing stock, 15 years wasted trolling Mercopress looking for grammatical errors.
Chuckle
What pressure, Trunks?
Jun 26th, 2023 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Increasing?
The UN has not issued a Falklands resolution since 1988. The C24 has not recommended one of its own Falklands resolutions since at least 2004. Every year the C24 adopts a resolution in the full knowledge that it will die at the Fourth Committee. Every year, pressure decreases - not that there was much to start with.
Here is last years C24 report. Recommendations start on page 41
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/report-of-the-special-committee-on-the-situation-with-regard-to-the-implementation-of-the-declaration-on-the-granting-of-independence-to-colonial-countries-and-peoples-for-2022.pdf
Call that 'pressure'?
Marv, you need to read up on the real history. Your propaganda version is too easily refulted.
The pressure is ratcheting up on Argentina, and their “economy” continues to drop like a stone. Now that China is putting bases there and trying to get them to switch to yuan (14 cents US= 1 Yuan,) the economy will get even worse, and better yet, in the general nuclear exchange that will eventually happen, Argentina is guaranteed at least two or more nuclear explosions. Something to look forward too, I'd say...
Jun 27th, 2023 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse +1Geeeeeeeeeee...
Jun 27th, 2023 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse -2“The Unbearable Lightness of Anglo Haughtiness”
IceBerg..., what IceBerg...? (Titanic, 1912...)
Water Pressure..., what Water Pressure...? (Titan, 2023...)
International Pressure..., what International Pressure...? (Malvinas Argentinas, 20??)
Capisce...?
@Steve Potts
Jun 27th, 2023 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse -3You said it: antarctic dependencies, not Falkland/Malvinas Islands.
@TheThink hahahaha
These Argentine commentators on here are really not interested in any original posting , but use every single one to attract a forum that they can start swiping at others making up a pile of crap as they go along just to keep the others commenting.
Jun 27th, 2023 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse +4They are purely time wasters who have nothing in real life. Losers with malicious intent upon others.
If that truly is a cross section of the population of Argentina, no wonder their country is in such a mess.
They have no true purpose in life, just one of trying to cause a political fight.
True losers in every sense of the word.
It is time to starve them of their desires by simply not responding to their comments.
I have often asked very direct questions to them but as yet none have answered the question but diverts to another mythical subject.
This whole world is full enough of people with vile thinking and we need to weed them out. That way we can make this world a better place to live.
FF. dont waste time trying to have a sensible debate with the immature racist troll, its pointless, just call him out for what he is, if you look on the Brazil site he had his 2 chums supporting his barking mad ideas, the man and i mean man child lives in a deluded world, an extremely sad human being living an extremely sad life,, the Falklands will still be around in 200 years unless mankind has destroyed the planet, as much as i disagree with Malvi, AC and Libby at least they try (and fail) to have a grown up debate , something he is uncapable of,
Jun 27th, 2023 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse +3Geeeeee...
Jun 27th, 2023 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse -5- Just have a look what the “Brainwashed Anglo-Kelper Turnip”(B.A-K.T.) writes above...:
“This whole world is full enough of people with vile thinking and we need to weed them out.”
Tænk a bit about it...!
Who decides who the “People with Vile Thinking” are...? Them B.A-K.T's. ...?
Who decides what “Vile Thinking” is...? Them B.A-K.T's. ...?
Who's going to “Weed them Out”...? Them B.A-K.T's. ...?
Reads like that auld 1925 bestseller...: “My Struggle”...
Capisce...?
Troll alert, Stink is stinking up the world with his pointless immature irrelevant drivel, get a life you sad sad sad excuse of a human being,
Jun 27th, 2023 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Geeeee.....
Jun 27th, 2023 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse +3the unbearable ignorance of Peronist puppets
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2009
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2010
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2011
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2012
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2013
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2014
Think “Another nail in the Falklands coffin” 2015
Think realises he is out of nails and coffins and making a tw@t of himself
“International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table” 2016
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table“ 2017
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table” 2018
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table“ 2019
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table” 2020
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table“ 2021
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table” 2022
International pressure will force you Engrish pirates to the table“ 2023
Erm....no it wont, even if there was any
May I recommend a new mantra Think for you to use for the next 8 years (or until you fall of the mortal coil”
“The Falkland Islanders own the islands and I have wasted 15 years being a troll” Think 2024----
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee....
Jun 27th, 2023 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse -4I was factually proven 100% right about them -”Nails on the Coffin ⚰ of the Engrish Pirate Oil Adventure in the South Atlantic” already in 2012... as the following ~25 quite amusing Anglo Comments from over a decade ago clearly prove...:
https://en.mercopress.com/2012/07/16/disappointing-results-from-oil-drilling-to-the-south-of-the-falklands
Chuckle..., chuckle...
Pressure?
Jun 27th, 2023 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +3Far as I can see, the UK has not even bothered to answer the last two Argie letters to the UN Sec-Gen. Presumably, not worth the effort.
Pressure? Yeah .....
The only pressure is the excrement filling Stinks nappy. FOS,
Jun 27th, 2023 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Gee Think
Jun 27th, 2023 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse +4Every post you've ever made has been wrong, the last 15 years of your life completely wasted,
The Falklands are a thriving, successful and safe community with or without oil, and Argentina is further away than ever to sovereignty.
You've spent 15 years attempting to sow doubt, trying and failing to come up with anything interesting to say, trying to troll and wind up any islander who chooses to post here.
The result....utter and total failure.
Your trolling doesn't even break the surface.....15 years of looking for grammatical mistakes, 15 years of pedantry, 15 years of failing to improve your childlike English prose.....for what Think?
3500 islanders laugh in Argentina's face. Britain doesn't even want sovereignty of the islands, much like virtually all its Empire, it was happy to give it away....but 3500 islanders wanted to stay British, so we see it done, and there is nothing 45 million brainwashed Argies can do about it.
That's what hurts you though isn't it Stink? That's why you keep your most virulent abuse for the posters from the islands. That massively outnumbered, with all Argentina's threats, sanctions and lies.....every last one of them is smarter than you, more successful than you and happier than you.......
For someone with your misplaced arrogance, that must really sting, enough for a 15 year obsession built on jealousy.
Well at least you have their pity, thats something
@Falklands-Free
Jun 27th, 2023 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse -5Sovereignty has been under discussion since 1833 when they invaded us again. The Buenos Aires newspapers published that fact. Darwin wrote about that fact.
You say that Argentina did nothing about it, if it did, they immediately protested.
If you are referring to an act of force, a young nation cannot fight against the economic and military power of the time.
As for the inhabitants of the islands, we recognize their rights as human beings, customs, language, etc.
We do not recognize that the people there claim that this land is British. That is Argentine land usurped by the British.
They can be British with their customs, language, etc. living on Argentine soil.
They can have dual nationality.
I said it once and I'll repeat it again, perhaps in the not too distant future an English-speaking islander could become president of Argentina.
And of course you can start by taking small steps negotiating on fishing, oil, tourism, education, flights, ecology.
But for that you have to start talking otherwise it's impossible, don't you think?
Malvi who usurped the whole of Southern Argentina ?
Jun 27th, 2023 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@ Juan Cervantes
Jun 27th, 2023 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse -1If you are referring to the natives, you can start debating from the arrival of the Europeans in America.
Who usurped Canada, United States, Austalia, New Zealand etc.
It is a very weak argument. Here we are talking about the Malvinas and a conflict between modern states.
Two countries United Kingdom and Argentina. mutually recognized.
Malv, if you claim Britain usurped the Falklands which they didnt by the way, then the Spanish usurped the United Provinces and Argentina the rest of what is Argentina today, it is no different what so ever, just because a state is modern doesnt make a blind bit of difference, and yes Canada Australia NZ Brazil Peru Columbia Venezuela and the rest were all usurped, not a weak argument at all, its fact, everything taken by conquest,
Jun 27th, 2023 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse +2@ Juan Cervantes
Jun 29th, 2023 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse -3I don't agree with you, they are totally different situations. The islands were usurped by one state to another, it is not the same.
There were treaties of peace, trade, navigation, mutual recognition.
Furthermore, the islands were not occupied by the natives, they were occupied by a peaceful argentine population.
You can not pick and choose what is taken by conquest and what is not, land is either conquered or it isnt, it has been going on for centuries not just by Europeans either but by Mongols and Turks and Africans etc, so even if your so called usurption was factually correct then what Argentina did was no different, any court of law would laugh at your claim, the UP was hardly a modern state was it, and no there was no Argentine population but a multi national venture led by a German and a Brit, nothing to do with Buenos Aires.
Jun 29th, 2023 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The islands were not usurped malvenese 1833.
Jun 29th, 2023 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2Britain removed an illegal occupant that was repeatedly ask not to interfere with British territory. Argentina chose to ignore that warning.
The very facts are that Argentina has never owned these islands. In honesty they never actually owned Patagonia. They took that by force driving out or killing the inhabitants, yet you preach about other countries taking land. The Falkland islands was an unpopulated land when in 1594 an official British claim was made.
That was a very long time even before the French and Spain or indeed your lot.
Your argument is weak and mythical.
By the numbers of your people commenting anywhere on these sites I would say you are the one so full of your self you simply make these comments because you are so desperate for attention.Guess life is not that good for you at home.
Funny how my last factual comment has been down voted twice,, could it be the uneducated one on world issues and the nappy filler getting upset,
Jun 29th, 2023 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Malvinense
Jun 29th, 2023 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse +3You know full well that what you are stating as fact is in fact bullshine.
The United Provinces in 1820 knew full well that once Spain had evacuated the islands then sovereignty did not automatically pass to them, they knew full well of the British claim and indeed the historic French claim. They may have wanted sovereignty but it was not theirs.
You also know that nothing that Jewitt or Pacheco did amounts to a sovereignty being established.
The Vernet business is vague, you deny it is vague at all, even though you know it is. You know Vernet was happy with either Argentine or British sovereignty, sought and gained reparations from the British thereby recognising them as sovereignty holder at the time of the Lexington raid.
So if Argentina had undeniable sovereignty from 1810, why did they need to send Mestevier in 1832? Why did Mestevier need to raise the UP flag and claim the islands....odd thing to do if you'd had sovereignty for 100 years? its because the UP knew there was a dispute and were trying to seize the islands....Britain warned them not to and they ignored it. Perhaps the time for diplomacy and talks was then...not now.
Twice Argentina has attempted to seize the islands by force, twice they have failed. Now its too late. The people with sovereignty are the islanders and Argentina has just spent 40 years p1ssing them off.
@ Juan Cervantes
Jun 29th, 2023 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse -4Assuming you're right,
1-You are assuming that the islands did not belong to the United Kingdom but were conquered.
2- Continental Patagonia was conquered by Spain and then Argentina.
3- However, the islands were not inhabited by natives, therefore they were not conquered.
4- Your conquest argument is still invalid.
5-We have already had this conversation.
No Malvi. at no point have i said the islands were not British, i was pointing out that if your false claim was even remotely true then it makes Argentina hypocrites and any court would laugh at you because of that, so you admit Argentina CONQUERED Patagonia, (usurped) your favourite word, you say my conquest argument is not valid ? oh yes it is very valid and any court you went to would say the same, No court will ever find in favour of you, Buenos Aires knows that that is why they have never gone there, Britain doesnt need to but you do and will not why ? you know why, if we have already had this conversation then why are you repeating over and over again, because your argument holds no water, move on Malvi, life is too short to waste on a fantasy, go play football. tennis or golf, have some fun, because you are going nowhere with this nonsense,
Jun 29th, 2023 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Marv, Spain left Patagonia alone. Signed a treaty with the tribes in 1740 promising not to expand south beyond the Saladillo River. It was Argentina that invaded Patagonia. It was Argentina that colonized Patagonia. With genocide.
Jun 30th, 2023 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse +1http://www7.bbk.ac.uk/ibamuseum/texts/Andermann02.htm
As for the Falklands, there was nobody there in 1594 and only a few French in 1765. They left without establishing effective occupation. They left after McBride told them too in December, 1766. Spain recognised the British in the western islands after 1771, and never again raised its flag over any part of the Gran Malouine. And that is why Spain only claimed the island of Soledad in 1811.
Spain's rights did not just evaporate when the UP declared independence.
Spain's rights to Soledad continued, right up until 1833.
Malvenese 1833.
Jun 30th, 2023 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse +4It would appear from the comments , you have run your course. You have nothing new to offer and everything you do say is always debunked.
Argentina has lived in a fantasy world from its conception.
If as you now admit Argentina did conquer Patagonia , then the question should be why did Argentina not conquer the Falklands . The handful of Argentine soldiers put there in 1833 shows that they had no intention of conquering these islands , but instead hoped no one would notice, because you actually feared Britain. If you truly believed that these islands were yours in 1833 there would have been a military stand to defend your rights. That did not happen because Argentina knew that they had no case and were indeed pirates.
1982 was not an intended attack to claim back a country that was never yours, but a deliberate diversion to take the heat away from a brutal dictator. Galterie was desperate to hang on to power and wanted to avoid a civil war. He gambled that he would go unchallenged just like it was in 1833. Britain once again came to defend their territory. They will do it again and again untill Argentina finally realises that their diversionary tactics to calm their people no longer works and they have to start listening to them for a change. Your kind is now becoming history. Fewer people believe you anymore.
You would be far better trying to win back the hearts and minds of the Arhentine people instead of acting as a lone crusader in an impossible cause.
Copper...
Jun 30th, 2023 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0- With the above comment you clearly show ..., again..., your complete ignorance of all things Patagonian..., second only to your complete & biased Engrish haughtines over all things Patagonian in particular and Foreign in general...
Already the first phrase of your above comment is no other than a complete porky...:
- “SPAIN LEFT PATAGONIA ALONE”...
You say...
I say...:
- Spain founded many settlements along the whole coast of Patagonia (Including Puerto Soledad in Malvinas..., btw...) between the XVI - XVIII Century to protect the zone from the incursions of them Engrish Pirates...
(Read & Learn)...: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establecimientos_coloniales_de_la_Patagonia_atl%C3%A1ntica#Superintendencia_de_los_Establecimientos_Patag%C3%B3nicos_virreinales
- The rest of your comment has the same adherence to historical facts as your first line...
Educate yourself...
Capisce...?
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establecimientos_coloniales_de_la_Patagonia_atl%C3%A1ntica#Superintendencia_de_los_Establecimientos_Patag%C3%B3nicos_virreinales
Troll Alert .. stink in the room filling up his nappy, get a life you sad sad man child,
Jun 30th, 2023 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0btw, anyone can access wikipedia and put information in or edit it, no way is it to be regarded as 100% factual evidence, so go change your nappy saddo man child,
Trunks, present your evidence for a series of Spanish settlements along the Patagonian coast
Jun 30th, 2023 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse +1Wikipedia is not evidence.
Copper...
Jun 30th, 2023 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse -2What are you trying to do...?
Playing it smart for your little faithful MercoPress group of BATfans...?
- As usual in ~99.8 of Wikipedia articles..., references and/or links to the relevant archives, maps, documents, Et Al... are included at the bottom of this Wikipedia article ...
(In this specific article..., about 50 references and/or links...)
Capisce...?
Troll alert, Go change your nappy man baby its full of sh, and then get a life you sad sad little boy,
Jun 30th, 2023 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinense
Jun 30th, 2023 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +1You wish to begin negotiations based on a premise where the Falklands are Argentine soil with British usurpers living on it. Unfortunately, as this is not true we cannot begin negotiations from that point.
If you would like to begin negotiations from a starting point of the Falkland Islanders own the islands, they have a full right to sovereignty and Argentina owe them billions in recompense for the 1982 invasion and subsequent unwarranted economic sanctions, lets talk....Argentina directly with the islanders....Britain has no skin in the game.
Your deliberate misrepresentation of 1810-33 is valueless, irrelevant and not worth discussing.
@redhoyt
Jul 03rd, 2023 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You place great value on the supposed discovery of Davis in 1594, someone who did not provide the latitude of the islands.
In 1764 there were only a few French, then a few Spanish to finish later with a few Argentines.
But Davis! Oh yeah! it is enough for the claim not even British but Redhoyt.
Spain never recognized the British, never recognized the occupation of Trinidad/Saunders islet, in fact the British withdrew.
Regarding your fanciful argument that Spain claimed a single island is destroyed with the Spanish documents provided by you.
This proves
3 things:
-That Spain did not claim a single island.
-That Spain occupied the islands in absolute solitude without British protests.
-The absurdity that by showing sovereignty and occupying the islands, Spain intends to claim a single island.
-That you shouldn't argue with a fanatic.
https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/88740.pdf
Thank you very much for contributing to the Argentine claim.
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