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Against all odds Milei team insists Falkland Islanders rights must be respected, “they are Argentine citizens”
“I reiterate it, I repeat it and I reaffirm it, the Islanders living in the Falklands/Malvinas will have their rights respected if Milei becomes Argentine president,” emphasized Diana Mondino underlining her statements in an interview with The Telegraph which was considered highly controversial and criticized in Argentina by politicians and the media. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThese words are the early chemotherapy to Peronist cancer. The treatment might not work, it will be painful...the patient is riddled with it. Maybe, just maybe there is hope.
Sep 17th, 2023 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem with anything that Argentina idolises regarding our country these islands, they forget one very important element. These islands are not now and never will be up for negotiations, no matter how Argentina demands, woes or even attempted indoctrination, we wont be giving away what is and always has been our British sovereign right.
Sep 18th, 2023 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never had ownership of these islands . They base their beliefs on Spain giving them these islands. Maybe we should also now be asking Spain about this claim given that Argentina broke away from the Spanish Empire.
The best place to prove ours or their case is the ICJ. Argentina wont go there because they dont actually have a case to present.
All they are doing is chipping away at making their myths reality. That is all they have.
@ Falklands-Free
Sep 18th, 2023 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse -2You are wrong. You are within a country called Argentina. Their ancestors kept these islands that do not belong to them.
Before the 10 generations that are mentioned so much, there were Argentine and previously Spanish settlers.
You should not ask Spain anything.
Everything is found in the recognition of Argentine independence by Spain.
Greetings.
Before those Argentine settlers (who were actually German and British and Uruguayan) (who left voluntarily) and those Spanish settlers (who left voluntarily) there were British settlers (who left voluntarily) and French settlers (who left voluntarily)...and even before those there were Penguins who are still there.
Sep 19th, 2023 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse +2The islands belong to whoever had a working civilian population, and Argentina failed to get one between 1810 (when Spain left) and 1833 when Britain returned.
@Malvi, please explain how the Falkland Islands are a part of Argentina. These islands were the Falkland Islands quite a while before there was ever an Argentina. There were never any “Argentine” settlers, most of those here in 1833 were Uruguayans. And before the Spanish, there were British and French settlers. Spain recognised Argentine independence in 1858.
Sep 19th, 2023 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse +1I have double-checked my passport and nowhere does it state I am Argentine. I think Diana may be incorrect.
Malvinense 1833.
Sep 19th, 2023 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do your home work. Go beyond indoctrination.
Bring us actual facts.
As Fitzroy rightly said Spain did not recognise your independence untill 1858.
Could you please verify just who your people were before that time. Argentina did not exist. It had not in 1833 even came close to the islands in what you today call Argentina.
The nearest land to us was Patagonia.
Like I have said many times, prove your myth, go to the ICJ. Put your myth to them. I am surprised that Argentina has not been to the ICJ if they have such a positive case. Why have you not done so, it's been 190 years since my forefathers settled this land we call our home today. Why is it that we are still here and you are not.
Truth is as again Fitzroy correctly said it was Uruguay and Germans who were working here . They were working for someone who was not Argentine nor Spanish for that matter.
Argentina tried to take control by sending a military garrison and they were told by the British not to interfere. They ignored that request as Argentina had repeatedly done ever since and therefore were removed. That work force in the main , chose to stay and work for the British. Now go and present those facts to the courts and see how you fare off.
Stop this myth. It does not have any substance at all.
Like I said look beyond indoctrination for the truth. It will surprise you.
@ Monkey The nationality of the inhabitants is irrelevant, what is important is the State that exercises sovereignty there.
Sep 19th, 2023 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Both the British colonists (who arrived with the islands already occupied) and the French withdrew after recognizing Spanish sovereignty. Therefore they did not withdraw voluntarily.
Argentina possessed a hard-working civilian population that was damaged by the treacherous attack by the warship Lexington. The population was in a process of reconstruction when the British usurpation occurred.
They still fail to explain how the Isles are British without a working civilian population there.
Are you going to mention the 1590 claim?
@ FitzRoy The islands were part of a Spanish province called Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata, due to the independence struggles in this province and also in other places on the continent, the Spanish were withdrawing.
In this particular province, the Spanish retreated to Montevideo, one of the many cities in this Spanish Province, where they tried to resist the patriots.
Spain never gave up its territories. He only did so when he recognized Argentine independence.
That piece of Spanish territory called the Malvinas Islands was never under British sovereignty.
“Argentina possessed a hard-working civilian population that was damaged by the treacherous attack by the warship Lexington. The population was in a process of reconstruction when the British usurpation occurred”.
Sep 20th, 2023 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse +1The British never recognised Spanish sovereignty of West Falkland and err....were in the process of reconstructing their population when Argentina arrived in 1832 and usurped the islands (sic)
@Monkey: Very bad Monkey.
Sep 20th, 2023 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was no British population to rebuild.
Regarding the western island, someone from that time, Lord Chatham, responds to his false statement:
Lord Chatham: “it appeared to be an ignominious compromise. It was no satisfaction, no reparation. The right was not secured, and even the restitution was incomplete; Port Egmont alone was restored, not Falkland Island”.
Regards.
Malvinense 1833. There was no Spanish settlers on the islands before the French or British.
Sep 20th, 2023 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your infoctrinations makes you believe there was. There was no Spanish colony on the islands . Argentina is in a mythical world. One which they know has no truth and they wont go to the ICJ for that very reason. They hope that believing the myth long enough will convince the world, but it wont and you know it.
@ Falklands-Free
Sep 20th, 2023 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse -1It's true. There were no Spanish settlers before the French. The French wrongly established themselves in Spanish territory, they wanted to recover territories that they had lost in North America at the hands of the... English.
The point is that the islands were occupied by the French so they cannot be British.
There were no English protests over the French occupation.
There were no English protests when the islands were incorporated into the French crown.
There were no English protests when France transferred sovereignty to Spain.
There were no protests when the islands were incorporated into the Spanish crown.
Take the time to read and research. There is a lot of documentation.
Ask yourself something: what if you are the indoctrinated one?
Regards.
Malvinense
Sep 21st, 2023 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse +1oh Malvi, you just agreed that Britain had Port Egmont after 1770 agreed to by Spain, oh dear what have you done!!!!
That means by Malvi logic Britain ALWAYS has Port Egmont because you cannot lose sovereignty in abstentia. In fact according to your logic, Britain owns Argentina as it owend Port Egmont BEFORE Argentine independence and Port Egmont is part of Argentina, and Argentina is on Port Egmonts continental shelf.....so Argentina was usurped by those claiming independence from the Spanish. This Malvinista logic is great!!!
Of course you can lose sovereignty in absentia and by military means and by independence, it happened all over the world, all the time, half the Caribbean swapped hands, much of North America, and huge chunks of South America.
Spain had sovereignty, at least of East Falkland. I don't believe anyone ever questioned that. Spain left, they returned to Spain. They vacated the islands, nobody on the islands claimed independence. They all remained Spanish and went home. The islands were empty.
Argentina failed to put a civilian population on the islands in over 20 years. Even if you include Vernets business (you know it is dubious to do so), Vernet left voluntarily in 1831, he was never barred from returning, indeed Brisbane did return. Vernet sought and claimed reparations from the British for the Lexington raid in 1831.....as he recognised their sovereignty.
Britain did and has had a population for 190 years.
No usurpation (I am glad you have stopped claiming a civilian population was evicted by the British)
No inheritance, the islands were vacated
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