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UK, US support for British Falklands sovereignty but Spaniards, Germans and Italians favor Argentina
How do Europeans, Americans, and even the UK feel about the sovereignty dispute over the Falkland Islands between Argentina and the UK? A new YouGov EuroTrack survey asked several Western European EU nations (as well as the UK and USA): Should the Falkland Islands belong to the United Kingdom or Argentina? Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBut they couldn't be bother to ask whether sovereignty should belong to the Falkland Islanders?
Sep 27th, 2023 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if the same people asked how important Antarctica was to Britain . I bet you would get a huge majority say very important. Yet those same people dont realise how important the Falklands are to accesding this frozen continent.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse +11People now have more pressing things to worry about in the northern hemisphere. There is a real possibility of all out war with Russia and could lead to a nuclear action which could destroy most of that hemisphere.
Just as happened before the 82 war, most people do not know where the islands actually are. Ignorance to done is a bliss.
The Americans know how stragitacly important these islands are to counter the growing concerns of China getting established in Argentina.
The world is in turmoil as they battle to keep the food chain going while Russia is controlling huge important exporting of grain from an important growing country that Ukraine is to the world.
Conducting these polls is just a way for those trying to spark further unrest.
@Falklands-Free
Sep 27th, 2023 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse -11During the 1982 conflict British soldiers wondered why they would have to fight a friendly country like Argentina and wondered why Argentina would invade Scotland. Such was the degree of ignorance of the place where they would go to fight.
The United States has abandoned a strategic country like Argentina into the hands of China. Argentina can provide the world with what it needs, as it has large reserves of energy and food. Russian control of Ukraine should not be a big problem.
If you believe that the islands are strategic, imagine the rest of Argentina.
Regards.
It is not a popularity contest. No matter how much support Argentina has, only the Islanders can decide their future. And as for this supposed support, there has been no UN resolution since 1988. The matter was settled.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse +12https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2022/08/1982-to-1999.pdf
What a egotistical disconnection from people's minds in general regarding globally concerned subjects you live in Falklands-Fake. You actually believe people around the world think The Antarctic Continent falls within British matters? Who the hell do you think you and your pedantic self promoting with false information cheating country ARE??!
Sep 27th, 2023 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse -12We concurred as a leading civilization, and most concertedly as a world since the agreement to create the United Nations came to be, that “Empires” were unjust oppressive governing structures that needed to be surpassed and left behind in History, in the museum of hideous errors of humanity against itself. AND YET, as we can plainly see by merely watching the news every evening, and listening to some of these rants on MercoPress, that the Empire mentality is well and thriving in the culture of the English language, as demonstrated through its optics towards the world's countries, its wars and problematic issues, or non quite problematic still, yet to be fully ruined by such mentality, which until its final apparent die hard demise seems will insist on only understanding our world in terms of power dominion and conquest.
As the poll just asked people from other countries what they thought and made no mention of- should the Islands people have the right to decide their future- the poll results not surprising. and pretty well meaningless.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse +13Then Falklands War Near 42 years ago so naturally a large chunk of countries populations forgotten about it or it was before they were born
Must be a boring time of year for UK pollsters I guess.
Trimonde
Sep 27th, 2023 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse +9Argentina is essentially an ‘empire’, all the land was conquered from the native inhabitants who were all but exterminated in the process.
‘power dominion and conquest’, describes perfectly the history of Argentina.
And in today Argentina is desperately trying to extend its frontiers into the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
Dispossessing the rightful owners of that territory in the process.
Fortunately the British Military are there to stop expansionist Argentina from occupying more territory that does not belong to it.
Argentina is a S. American country and it’s staying that way.
@Pugol-H
Sep 27th, 2023 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse -9It's funny how they try to equate what happened throughout America with the arrival of European man to this continent with the British usurpation of another state. If we talk about imperialism, nothing better than the British example that subjugated and murdered millions of people around the world.
Imperialism?
What are they doing here in the South Atlantic when their island is in the North Atlantic? Are you really talking about expansionism?
Also, I don't think it is the best example since the extermination of natives was carried out by British people like Samuel Hyslop
Trimonde and malvinense 1833.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse +11Wake up to reality.
Argentina may have once been a very rich country. It became so by stealing all the well looked after land from the indigenous people.
It then plundered that wealth and now today Argentina is but a fraction of its former wealth and still sinking.
On the part about British thinking Argentina was a well developed friendly country, might have been true before 1982, but because your lot invaded a British sovereign state changed all of that. You got what you asked for. A bloody nose and lost any respect you once had.
So no I am not spouting a load of rubbish, I am living that period.
Argentina will never again convince the islanders that they come in piece. Look where it got us last time.
Oh and we are now teaching our children about your dirty war and your invasion of what has become their homes and I can tell you, unlike many British who dont even know half their own places, our children will learn the entire truth.
Can Argentina afford to keep flogging a dead horse. I rather think not.
It's blowing up a hooley here and pissing down so I can't get much outdoor work done.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse +10Some German prat in a camper van has managed to get bogged down in the gateway to one of our fields. Precisely why he opened the gate in the first place I don't know but in the process he managed to let out 60 odd sheep onto the N22 which has taken nearly 3 hours to get into another field and now this arse expects me to tow him out.
So I've come in for a cup of tea and I've logged onto Mercopress for some light relief.
So thanks very much Malvi anf Triomonde for giving me a bloody good laugh it's really cheered me up.
TWIMC...
Sep 27th, 2023 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Zeno's Paradox by walt Disney...:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7NuVjpi72c&pp=ygUcaGFzZSBzY2hpbGRrcsO2dGUgd2V0dHJlbm5lbg%3D%3D
Enjoy...
Malv
Sep 27th, 2023 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse +9This is called ‘whataboutry’, or irrelevant distraction in other words.
Whatever may or may not have happened in the British Empire, does not change or excuse what happened in Argentina.
You are still an implanted population living on land stolen from the natives, who were all but annihilated.
Who have run out of S. America to conquer from the Indians and are now trying to conquer British territory in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
Great Britain is not our only island, for historical reasons we have territories all over the world, unlike Argentina, Britain is not confined to one geographic area.
You will note Argentina is desperately trying to sell itself as a ‘bi-continental’ country, well, the British are ‘bi-hemispherical’ and have been for centuries.
We are not ‘expanding’ into the S. Atlantic, we have been there since long before Argentina ever existed, in any form.
In the present day it is Argentina that is desperately trying to ‘expand’ into long established British territory in the S. Atlantic/Antarctic.
You are as European as we are and you’re all still living in S. America, you trying to tell the British they have no right to be in the S. Atlantic, is laughable.
But then that could be said about most of the arguments you put forward.
Most people don't quite understand it when Argentine politicians harp on about their so-called territory being usurped in 1833 and Britain failing to comply with UNGA 2065 xx and negotiate with Argentina regarding sovereignty of the Falklands.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse +8That is not in the Falkland Islanders interests.
Interests –v- Wishes (desires) UNGA 2065 XX Misused by Argentina (1 pg)https://www.academia.edu/107054389/Interests_Versus_Wishes_Desires_UN_Resolution_2065_Misused_by_Argentina
Argentina’s Malvinas Paradox..
Sep 27th, 2023 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse +6https://youtu.be/C5rJ4g9EMUk
Enjoy…
TWIMC...
Sep 27th, 2023 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse -2Zeno's Paradox by Walt Disney..., right version...:
(The version even haughty Anglo Mugglers can understand...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DrKmpuKhKE&pp=ygUSSGFyZSB0b3J0cG8gZGlzbmV5
Enjoy...
Here we go again, the clueless GIMP Stink posting drivel, what a cabbage.
Sep 27th, 2023 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse +2“Spaniards, Germans and Italians ...” In other words, all old fascist countries from the WW2 period...coinkydinks?
Sep 27th, 2023 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse +2The Falkland Islands should be returned to Argentina only after Argentina returns to Paraguay the land Argentina took by force.
Sep 28th, 2023 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse +1Also, why would the people of the Falkland Islands want to be part of Argentina. Now the people of the Falkland Islands know their money will still have value next year.
The problem with these polls is that they assume a equal knowledge of all participants. I would imagine most people have no knowledge of the Falklands, less of the islanders, and hear very little other than Argentine rhetoric.
Sep 28th, 2023 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With that in mind, it is very good and unsurprising set of results.
When asked slightly differently, “Should an island people be subjugated under the sovereignty of a larger bullying neighbour against their will” I would imagine the result would be somewhat different.
The poll is meaningless. i have French, German. Italian, Dutch , Swedish. Czech, Belgian and Swiss friends, none of them no much if anything about the Falklands and its history, when told the truth their opinions change. the common response is ( i did not know that )
Sep 28th, 2023 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse +1Excelent. 43% of british people think the islands shuldnt be british
Sep 29th, 2023 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse -3and the 57% in favour probably cant and/or dont tolerate a long war of attrition..
Afortunatly we had a 99% of fanatics wanting back our territory..
willing to immolate themselves in suicidal kamikaze missions..
Just matter of time, any day we will had the army or the resourses and we will be at the wait of minimal defensive slip
So, according to the latest opinions here in “Mercosur Press?” ignorance of people is what determined the pro argentine stance of some felow europeans?. Is it the same kind of ignorance like honoring a Waffen SS former veteran in Canada?. I thought you were clear that Ukraine was not composed by Neo Nazi fanatics....
Sep 29th, 2023 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse -1Your nations fought along the soviets to defeat Germany in ww2. Ignoring ww2 and your fallen will bring you to ww3.
Argentine zit
Sep 29th, 2023 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let you be the first kamikaze fanatic
@sjken
Sep 29th, 2023 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse -3There are no territorial claims of Paraguay. Get informed.
@darrahg I hope you have a good day and no problems with the sheep. I am very happy to contribute to your happiness, greetings.
@Pugol-H I will use your same words: Whatever happened in the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata or in Argentina does not change the theft carried out by the United Kingdom against Argentina.
You have said it, they are not confined to a geographical area precisely because of their imperialist ambition and the subjugation and crimes committed to peoples around the world.
Regards.
@Juan Cervantes
We are waiting for you in Argieland to enjoy the landscapes, good wines, and the delights of Argie gastronomy. Today is football night.
Regards.
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In short, in Europe they think that the British should be confined to their island in the North Atlantic.
Capisce...?
Malvinense 1833.
Sep 29th, 2023 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse +2So on the one hand you call the British pirates and thieves while on the other you dont admit to the atrocities your people did to the entire region of South America.
I call that pot calling the kettle black.
Time you studied your own violent thieving history before you make remarks about others.
Of course by admitting to those acts your people did to others would mean weakening your mythical claim to our islands.
Try another tactic. These islands are British. Have always been British and will remain British untill ee the people of the Falkland islands say otherwise. You will be waiting for eternity to get that change from us.
Have a great day.
I think the opposite, that you are British citizen and the islands are Argentine. I must admit that we must improve a lot as a country, so only then, as Juan and Monkey have said, do we have the possibility that the inhabitants of the islands will want to join the rest of the country again.
Sep 29th, 2023 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse -3Have a great weekend.
@Monkeymagic
Sep 29th, 2023 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In case of armed conflict, of course, it would be an honor to immolate myself for the recovery of the islands.
AC, you would die for nothing then, you cant recover something that was never yours, secondly you would be wiped out, talk sense.
Sep 29th, 2023 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine zit
Sep 29th, 2023 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why wait for armed conflict, you could just shoot yourself now. Nobody would miss you.
Malvi
You nearly did it. “I must admit that we must improve a lot as a country, so only then, as Juan and Monkey have said, do we have the possibility that the inhabitants of the islands will want to join the rest of the country again”....not the word “again”....that's part of the improvement needed.
@Juan Cervantes According to my ideals and those of our 99%, the islands are ours under the occupation of an invading power that exiled our inhabitants in 1833.
Sep 30th, 2023 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse -4There is nothing wrong with immolating oneself for the cause one believes in.
In fact, our air force pilots in '82 gladly did it... on suicidal missions attacking naval forces in the open sea.
There is nothing wrong with dying and taking various enemies lifes and equipment with you.
AC, your armed forces did not want to be on the islands at all, they were desperate to go home, no way did they want to give up their life for Argentina, but they had no choice, your evil Junta saw to that, the reason 99%, which i doubt is a true figure think the islands are yours is because of the indoctrination of lies fed to the population for decades, the same tactics Hitler used to con a population, there is everything wrong in dying and killing for a myth a lie and a lost cause,
Sep 30th, 2023 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse +3the lie and those who indoctrinate are you..
Sep 30th, 2023 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse -3It is not true that Argentine soldiers did not want to be on the islands, there were groups like the Gada or the 601st Commando Regiment very prepared for that war...
Of course there were groups of young conscripts with 6 months of preparation... but they all knew very well why they were fighting and what the islands represent.
In any case, your soldiers and mercenaries didn't know why they were fighting, when they were recruited to go to war with Argentina over the “Falklands”... the first thing they said was “Falklands? Why is Argentiba invading Scotland?”
Your troops did not even have the slightest idea of where the islands were on the map or a historical context of where they were standing.
and that is mainly why they are going to lose the occupation in the long term. The inhabitants of the United Kingdom not only do not know about the islands, but they do not consider them important nor do they want to spend money to finance their defense..
What happened in '82 was a small skirmish... in a conflict of attrition in conditions of similar war power, you lose.
Due to social pressure, due to wear and tear, due to logistical disadvantage, winter war, etc.
The current colonial position of occupation is only supported by the political will and military force of the UK... nothing more..
Now you are being silly AC, how can we be indoctrinated, NOTHING is taught to us about the Falklands, zero zilch, we have to research, All your veterans that visit the war graves say the same thing. they did NOT want to be there, if you really believe that the UK forces thought the Falklands were in Scotland then you are deluded and badly misinformed, wow, you have just admitted it the Brits dont know about the Falklands, how can we be indoctrinated ? you are not making sense, in a conflict of attrition we lose, due to pressure logistics etc, first there is zero pressure now and none in the future will change anything, as far as logistics go, technology will move on in huge strides, future aircraft/space planes will make 8,000 miles seem like nothing, weapon systems will be so advanced that any attempt to take the Falklands by force will be obliterated before they get any where near the islands. why you believe that nonsense is incredible, on top of that your own government have said they will NEVER use force again, are they lying, the Falklands do not lose in any way at all. in time they will become an independent prosperous country. you need a reality check, the only chance you have of any input in to the Falklands is if the islands wish it, people with your attitude make that prospect for you impossible.
Sep 30th, 2023 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse +1Argentine citizen.
Sep 30th, 2023 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse -1You are so indoctrinated that you cant think past real true logic.
Was you on the islands in 1982, I was. Most of the Argentines did not want to be here, fact. The conscripts were treated appallingly by their leaders who tried to enforce indoctrination over them through starvation.
So sad that these young men were being lied to and killed for a cause thet saw no logic in.
Many of them already knew the local people before that stupid illegal invasion and some of the locals actually took pity on them and gave them food unbeknown by the junta rulers.
Those that were caught taking food even from locals were beaten and tortured in the most inhumane way by those enforcing their indoctrination.
Unless you were here during that time , you have no idea. Even when these young men were captured they told the British that their superiors told them they would be killed by the British, which was a total lie.
So go and research the real facts of those innocent young men who did not want to fight a war for something they knew they had been indoctrinated to believe was theirs.
Citizen, everything you have posted in your last comment is so far away from reality its quite laughable. the Falklands and the islands have nothing to worry about or fear. if you really believe that then you need help .
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