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Falklands Government to Take Stronger Stance at UN Meeting in June
The Falkland Islands Government intend to take a, “stronger and more productive stance” at next month’s UN meeting in New York of the United Nations ‘Special Committee of 24’ on decolonisation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesA tentative step towards independence?
May 11th, 2010 - 06:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are, del facto, self-governing in free association with the UK (much like Niue is with New Zealand).
May 11th, 2010 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0New Zealand acts on Niue's behalf with respect to defence and foreign affairs (it's difficult to man that many embassies with a population of under 1400). The only reason that they're still on the list with the UN Committee of 24 is the (dubious) soverignty claim from Argentina.
This has other international ramifications since the UK in these international forums are not speaking on the islanders behalf it thus give a degree of recognition that the islanders constitute a people who need to be allowed to argue their views on the international stage, the grape vine tells me that Argentina bitterly resisted every attempt for the Islanders to come forward before C-24 as a separate representative and argued that since they didn't a constitute only the UK could argue on their behalf a little known fact is that on this occasion Argentina was slapped down by C-24 and actually was reduced to begging the UK not to allow separate representatives from the Islands to argue their own case, as this would contradict their arguments that they were merely British colonists, but had a mediocme of peoplehood wholly different to the UK, Argentina refuses to argue face to face with the Islanders and a few years back the Falkland delegate cunningly walked in and stood beside Argentina's just before they were to deliver their respective arguements, the Argentine ran out...not walked...RAN! and refused to come back in the room....
May 11th, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0pathetic eh? Thats one of several reasons why I have such a low opinion of states which make such irredentist claims ignoring the people who live there
But it remains the same that C-24 is finding itself harder and harder to justify each year, especially in a majority of these territories where there is no clamor to be an independent nation or part ties with the mother state... C-24 has never visited any of the territories in question, yet professes to know what is best for them?
Could someone throw a bit of light on the following:
May 11th, 2010 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If he UK has given the Falkland islands a degree of autonomy in the form of self government / self determination then, to my thinking, this also includes fiscal matters?
If the islands control their own fiscal matters which, appears to be the case with revenue from fishing rights and the sale of exploration rights etc then, why shoud the UK exchequer rub his hands in glee at the prospect of additional tax revenue from oil....if it becomes a viable proposition to extract?
You're right about the Islander's fiscal control Globetrotter, this can be seen by the number of mineral exploration licences and fisheries licences issued by London (zero and I believe zero respectively) in comparison with those issued by Stanley (all of them).
May 11th, 2010 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The gleeful hand-rubbing comes from two sources, firstly I believe that there is an understanding about a contribution being made to the costs of operating RAF Mount Pleasant if there is a significant find.
Secondly there's the obvious benefit of having an awful lot of oil coming from somewhere that is a) very friendly with the UK, b) doesn't really have that high a demand for oil and c) is politically stable (not thinking of the middle east at all...) - basically meaning that supply of oil (and thus the supply of tax income) would be more assured than it would have been.
Globe trotter, most of these companies are registered in the UK, thus any revenue they generate the UK government will tax them.
May 11th, 2010 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0here is most of the info you will need:
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/falklands-oil/download/TaxGuide.pdf
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/falklands-oil/download/TaxGuide.pdf
Is this pirat making threats ? Why are the pirats called british kelper stealing our oil ?? I look forward to seen him on TV behind bars in an Argentine jail begging the international comunity to bail him out, I also look forward seen his face when his oil tankers gets expropiated together with a new rig and our oil, the british kelpers will have to get their Argentine passport or go back to their motherland, as every ilegal alien had to or do they think white people don't need to answer to anyone ?? the time when the white race stole from everyone is over, racism is not longer cool dudes.
May 11th, 2010 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right avargas, and I think these thieves know their days are numbered.
May 11th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0avargas appears to be confused, as is so often the case with Argies, NO, it's not your oil and No the islanders have no intention of taking your oil, and YES they will fully exploit their own oil ... hope that helps!
May 12th, 2010 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgy boy, you are again (?) quite right .... our days are numbered in millions!
No problem :-)
“the time when the white race stole from everyone is over, racism is not longer cool dudes”
May 12th, 2010 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm confused. Aren't you part of a white race that stole the land of Argentina?
Another statement of profound intelligence from the opposite end of the spectrum we find in Avagarse, such wonders and such hope for the human race that we have such brilliant thinkers as himself....
May 12th, 2010 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I thought anyway that to Expropiate tankers you need a Navy, which Argentina seems to be lacking at in any great quantity or quality at the moment?
As for racism, I didn't know the definition has been amended so that the only long term inhabitants of a territory are not allowed to exploit their own natural resources.
Good for you though admitting the time for the white race stealing is over then, I will help you fill out your one way tickets back to Europe, and we can organize the handover Ceremony back to indigenous control ASAP.
@Rhaurie
May 12th, 2010 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you got your medicine? take the blue pill, the blue...
Ah Nicotine the great denier of anything wrong in Argentina got anymore profoundly academic videos from Youtube?
May 12th, 2010 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still waiting for something vaguely intelligent from the Argentine spectrum, so far Axel Arge is currently winning leaving the rest of you in poll position for the caveman awards.....
It is laughable that the whole Argentine arguement is based on about 30 people, in 1839, from what is now known as Argentina (which didnt exist back then), living on the Falklands, which by then was been discovered and claimed by the British. So for a very small time period that handful of people that were on the islands, AFTER Britain had claimed it first, supercede the current population, and all of the generations that lived there for the last 170 years?
May 12th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a Falkland Islander, I was born here and still live here, and the Argentine people, who 99% have never even been here, claim to have more right to these islands than me, is absurd. That kind of belief is pathetic and is a fantasy. And the fact is the Argentines will agree with everything I have said here, apart from believing their right to my home is absurd. It is a joy to sit in my country and watch a nation on millions so desperately fail to gain something. They keep saying they abide International law and courts, but they dare not take it to anything that can made a judgement, because they know they dont have a chance.
And the best thing is...that the Argentines all keep saying it is a matter of time, but they have been saying that for well over a century, and will keep believing it blindly forever, because it wont happen.
Go Argentina, keep making up lies about the Falklands to suit your weak arguement. Falklands a colony! Laughable. Falkland Oil reserves = Argentine resources. Laughable. Jorge and the rest of the mob, please dont give up your incoherent ramblings, because we all love reading them! It is nice to know that the Argentine people are as incoherent as their government.
From what I've read most Argentine conscripts in 1982 thought that Port Stanley was a large metropolis with a citizenship that all had a secret stash of Argentine flags stuffed under their mattresses in anticipation of liberation day.
May 13th, 2010 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One would have thought that once that vision was dispelled they would have given up on the idea.
The whole argument seems rather daft to everyone other than the Argentines.
.......“living on the Falklands, which by then was been discovered and claimed by the British”.......
May 13th, 2010 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Malvinas was not discovered by the British. It is unknow who was it, but the most likely is they were discovered by Americo Vespucio. An official british link admits it.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/falklands/linepre1982.html
You claimed it, you left it and never returned for 59 years, when you did it, there were argentine people there that was under Buenos Aires authority and you removed ilegaly the guarrison.
........“I am a Falkland Islander, I was born here and still live here, and the Argentine people, who 99% have never even been here, claim to have more right to these islands than me, is absurd.”.....
- No, it is not absurd, you were born there thanks to a bunch of pirates who never recognized argentine rights over those islands.
.....“That kind of belief is pathetic and is a fantasy”........
- Your belief!!!!!
........“And the fact is the Argentines will agree with everything I have said here, apart from believing their right to my home is absurd.”........
- I don't agree with you AT ALL!!!!! You have, let's say, “gained rights” to be there since you are not guilty for what your ancestors did and you were born there and it's your home, but that doesn't mean your rights are more important than argentine's, the legitimate owner of the islands.
........“It is a joy to sit in my country and watch a nation on millions so desperately fail to gain something. They keep saying they abide International law and courts, but they dare not take it to anything that can made a judgement, because they know they dont have a chance.”......
- First of all, you are not sitting in “your country”, it is our country.
Second of all, going to ICJ is just an option, we don't have to do it if we don't want to.
Finaly, if we went to ICJ and it said we are right, would you accept it? I don't think so.
- It is just a matter of time, you'll swallow your own words, it will happen!!!
Jorge “You claimed it, you left it and never returned for 59 years, when you did it, there were argentine people there that was under Buenos Aires authority and you removed ilegaly the guarrison.”
May 13th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We never renounced sovereingty.
If you left your house to travel the word and returned 59 years later to find other people living there, they would be called squatters which you would have removed. This is what happened in 1833.
The fact we left the islands for 59 years is irrelvant and if it is then the fact that after 1850 Argentina didn't mention their claim for almost 90 years tops our 59 year absence by some way.
Yea exactly Jorgebobo you guys dropped your claim in 1850 and didn't officially revive it for 90 years or so, so stop complaining. They are not your islands.
May 13th, 2010 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0J. A. ROBERT AND HOITRED. I have an answer for you both, search it in the archive from may 6th.
May 13th, 2010 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GDR, to determine what quality oil it will be, either A) industrial, B) Aviation, C) Mobile, D) Plastics
May 13th, 2010 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Early indicators suggest it is category C oil
And no there is no laboratory testing in the Falklands, use your head dear fellow. kind of hard to do when your economy is geared towards agriculture and fishing?
containers are being flown to Cape Town as we speak does that answer your question?
I have nothing to fear dear fellow, though I have no idea what your on about, suffered another stroke because your phrases and sentences are baffling are you sure your not using a language from a long departed civillization?
gdr, you are very harshman.Rori is very bold fellow but can't tell
May 13th, 2010 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anythings here,becouse he doesn't know them.
Axel - I came across this today in the Buenos Aires Herald which only goes to show that it a protest is not aimed at the right person/department then it carries no weight!
May 14th, 2010 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... Despite the fact that the European Commission in Argentina ”formally asked the authorities for an explanation about the restrictions announced over the past few days“ on Tuesday with regards to the proposed food import ban, the Argentine government yesterday said it had received ”no such official complaint”...... '
Fearing what GDR? Seriously though Jorge may post like a deluded parrot, you do tend to post like a stage 3 stroke victim.....
May 14th, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Facebook what about facebook? Tell me how this relates to stock market manipulation's that you conjured up.
Ivan your a twat, come up with something meaningful accept latching on to other peoples comments so that it may look like you have said something profoundly important.......
Gentlemen Ivo and GDR I trust that both of you are not in the oil industry and certainly have little knowledge of Oil testing procedures?
Come up with something meaningful and intelligent and perhaps just maybe I may downgrade your collective IQ status from stroke victim to head trauma victim.....
Good for them being in the olive oil industry, but I think Rockhopper is more interested in the Hydrocarbons industry.....
May 14th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Rhaurie-Craughwell,
May 14th, 2010 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How ye dae’in?
A Scott man asking for intelligence?
What for?
You are not any good for that.
Didn’t tell you your mom?
A lovely tour to the land of Rhaurie enjoy it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFubsxHTApw&feature=related
By the way nice sheep
Why is mercopress becoming the centre of abstract posts and meaningless. Is this the new land of modernity?
May 14th, 2010 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway the oil exploration continues and those with the common sence to invest in it continue to make money.
haha it's always good when your own can take the mick out of your country gave me a good laugh Nicotine I hadn't seen that video before.
May 14th, 2010 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But seriously dear fellow do you like 99% of the Argentines here have anything meaningful to say?
Meanwhile the drilling continues and great fortune and progress awaits the Falklands and their partnership with the UK, in time they will forgive Argentina for her sins she committed against them, I am sure even when the blinds of Nationalistic outrage finally slip her eyes the Falklanders will be quite happy to share their oil wealth to show their good intentions for peace towards their less than hospitable thuggish neighbors.....
@20 gdr
May 14th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course there are laboratory tests going on in the Falkland Islands. There is a major program to determine whether Argentines can be transformed into intelligent human beings. I think the bottom line goal is 2 out of 3. On the basis of the comments placed on here by you and your fellow Argentines, I reckon its a hopeless cause. But what the hell! Can anyone remind me of what happens to lab animals after they pass their use by date?
@agent0060,
May 15th, 2010 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0YOU need to read a lot of books to start with then come back and so we can start a intelligent conversation. Do you please? thaxnks a lut.
@Rhauri,
Don’t miss his performance “Live At The Sydney Opera House”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7Z8hTVkHo&feature=related
The best part is when he imitates the French and the Italian and the part of Last Orders. I'm still laughing...
HOITRED AND J. A. ROBERT. I have an answer for you both on the articule of may 6.
May 15th, 2010 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0agentoo60, we did that with islanders. The upshot of the process was:
May 15th, 2010 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islanders thinking = pinguin thinking!!!
@NicoDin. Many thanks for your concern. I have read, thank you. In nearly 61 years, a sight more than you I reckon. Try to understand that your government has lied to you for an incredible number of years, and continues to do so.
May 15th, 2010 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@jorge!. And still they don't want to have anything to do with your crap regime or your crap country. Dummy!!!
I don't f***ing care what they want!!!
May 16th, 2010 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Crap?? Are you talking about your country???
agentoo60 -- 0060 is your code number ?you speak like Russian agent !
May 16th, 2010 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0can you show up Malvinas on the map ?.. let's help you ..
open a map --> asiapasific zone --> south of Indonesia -->
west of Papua Gineau --> north Australia --> here is Malvinas -->
an independent comply country --> zoom the map please -->
you can easily see how BP siphoned up it's oil reserves .....
jorge and ivo are having one of those arselicking sessions again, your country is a joke jorge, your a joke, with your crying, its pathetic, have some pride you bell end, be a man!!!1
May 16th, 2010 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i could paint a picture of you jorge and ivo, oil on canvas, it will be the ”weeping argentine, looking over the dark blue sea, toward the green of the islands, the black of the oil, and the gold colour gleeming in the horizon, (thats the money we will be making from that lovlyyy oil) the teers rolling down your faces, like the boy who lossed something he never had, crying on the shore while those dammd brits prosber just 300 miles away” yes, i might paint that you know, pure picasso that is, art gallery quality, now tell me jorge if you think anything needs adding, i mean i think iv got it spot on, with the crying argentine and all,
basicly, to put it in plain simple english terms,.....fuck you both
agentoo ,, he still looks for the Falkland Islands's place at the
May 17th, 2010 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Asia-Pasific Zone on the map ! he may require from BP !
@ivo. Sorry. I was doing something more important than teaching you geography. Anyway, I have had a look at a nice up-to-date map. Couldn't find anywhere with the proper name you mentioned. (Doesn't mal vinas mean “Sour grapes?”). Did find an archipelago called Falkland Islands. Is that the place you meant?
May 17th, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@thorson. I do hope you're painting your pictures a long way from the land occupied by our Argie friends. Because Argentina doesn't have any oil. Venezuela has oil, Colombia has oil, Ecuador has oil, Brazil has oil, Chile has oil and the Falkland Islands (backed by Britain) has oil. But Argentina don't got no oil!!! Except what they nicked from Chile (in Patagonia).
@agent0060 & thorson
May 18th, 2010 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Living in fantasy land strike again
Haha
“Chile has oil and the Falkland Islands (backed by Britain) has oil. But Argentina don't got no oil!!! Except what they nicked from Chile (in Patagonia).”
Good joke mate what oil do you have? Where? I cannot see it?
Argentina is the 22 or 23 producer of oil in the world with 810.000 barrels a day (2010 estimation) we produce more than Oman (806,000), Qatar (797,000)), Malaysia (727,200), Egypt (675,000), Colombia (670,000), Australia (586,400), Ecuador (486,100), etc.
And we export 314,400 barrels a day and have a consumption of 610.000 (2008) More than 1million barrels a day are trade in Argentina.
Proved oil reserves 2,616,000,000 31 biggest in the world just behind Yemem (3,000,000,000).
Owners of one of the biggest oil companies in the world, the monopoly of the Pipes and with one of the bigger refinery infrastructures in the world.
Even though you can discover oil in your exploration you cannot do anything with it without the support of Argentina or Brazil. The only countries in the region with serious infrastructure and know how to process oil.
UK doesn’t have the financial resources to build the infrastructure required in the Islands (Is a multi billion U$s investment) and if she does would be commercially unavailable project.
Keep dreaming mates is cheap and in the mean time take care of our oil.
Regards,
40 agent0060 hahaha what an ignorant you are. Well done NicoDin, I was going to tell this ignoranr that I live in Comodoro Rivadavias, the national capital of oil, and that I was sorrounded by oil rigs, but you have done a good job.
May 19th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BP is like the fourth largest company in the world. If they want the oil, they'll get the oil.
May 19th, 2010 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They have oilfields all over the world.
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