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Uruguay concerned with Argentine ‘naval harassment’ in South Atlantic international waters

Wednesday, July 7th 2010 - 06:58 UTC
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Uruguayan merchant and naval shipping is under continuous harassment from the Argentine Navy in South Atlantic international waters, a new chapter of the difficult relations between the neighbouring countries, reports Montevideo’s main daily El Pais, quoting undisclosed Parliament sources. Read full article

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  • Think

    I look forwards to see how this “fantastic” story from undisclosed sources develops....

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Paul

    Any chance to try and bully anyone... The British should have finished the job in 1982.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    bully for the Argies,just tell them a brit sub is about and they will be back in port like a shot.
    Insight into the way they treat their great mates

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Story of a “Planted Story”
    This story has been categorically denied by the Defense Minister of Uruguay Mr. Luis Rosadilla.
    The refutation can be read in the official site of his ministry.
    http://www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Or here, the second biggest newspaper in Uruguay:
    http://www.mdn.gub.uy/

    By the way Minister Rosadilla, an ex political prisoner (terrorist some would call him) tells on the same page about his plans to reduce Uruguay’s military apparatus and his cooperation with the Uruguayan Courts by opening the “secret dirty files” of the Navy.

    Curious coincidence.................
    We are threatened by Argentina!!!
    Need Aircraft Carriers!!!
    Need Submarines!!!
    Need Euro Fighters!!!
    Where have I heard all that before?

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    So, if it is not true, who planted it?

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Let's hope the Argentines start harrassing British shipping. That might actually make the news outside South America.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (5)Hoyt
    You say:
    So, if it is not true, who planted it?

    I say:
    If you read my Nr. (4) you would be able to infer it.
    My personal opinion: The Uruguayan Navy....
    The individual Armed forces in our Continent have no reason of existence without “Enemies”
    Until the 80's they ran the show..... Plenty of “enemies” around.
    Our Presidents and Defence Ministers terrorists in their eyes .
    As simple as that.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    think; I not so sure that the reason you said is the real reason; I have another theory.

    You know what happened with Anja in Punta Arenas, ok??

    Someone, perhaps some anglo friend, living in Montevideo is opening some umbrella and trying to sell some shit.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Billy... that goes without saying!... The same recalcitrant elements as always.
    But as you can read in the article; Naval Intelligence is mentioned!

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    http://www.uruguaydailynews.com/news/politics/1007-uruguay-denounces-argentine-threats-to-uruguayan-ships

    ”The government informed Parliament that both Uruguayan Navy and Civil ships are being intimidated in International waters by Argentine ships, adding yet another episode to the strained relations between the two countries.

    Due to the gravity of the situation, a brief meeting of the Senate Commission of Defense was held where National Defense Minister Luis Rosadilla announced that the Uruguayan government considers the episodes a major infraction.

    The Argentine Navy ships are warning the Uruguayan ships to retreat from the shipping lanes because they are in Argentine waters, when according to charts the lanes are in International waters.

    Uruguayan Chancellor Luis Almagro and his Argentine counterpart Héctor Timerman discussed this topic when they met on June 29.

    (www.elpais.com.uy, June 6, 2010)...”

    Do planted stories in South America usually make it to Parliament?

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    Have they reported the reason why the Argentine navy is harassing Uruguayan ships? I can't see the point.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    C'mom Hoyt.....
    It's the same story from el Pais, Tuesday's edition..
    You got the links to today's' official denial from the Minister that supposedly informed the Parliament........
    What ships... Where.... Who ...Why... Who benefits... etc...

    Yes, planted stories do usually make it to Parliament when the planted story is about making it to Parliament!

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Hoytrend #10

    Hi,
    A= as usual as WMD “sexed-up” reports makes it to yours.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    They where open oceans way into the 2000, but since the UK desided steal oil from Malvinas we can't afford to let anyone else to come close to our waters, I think they should take their complain to UN and ask them to solve the Malvinas issue with UK soo everyone else can feel secure, right now we lived with what Chile did in the past with the brits and now we can't even trust Uruguay, all I can say is stay away from Malvinas or the ocen in tha area and nobody will bother them, there is no international laws in the ocean around Malvinas it's a pirat area far from international order, unless UN desides to legitimaze the pirat colony and create a new country out of the land thefted from Argentina.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @gassy
    Typical bully,cant take your fight to the UK so pick on your weaker neighbour,well that realy showed us pirates how tough the argie armada is

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    The only nation acting like pirates in the region is.............

    Starter for 10.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • so_far

    Think mate, if you like please join those groups, will be nice have your point of view there, regards

    http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=110271675684299&ref=ts

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    Jul 07th, 2010 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (17)so_far
    Thanks for the invitation but...... not for the moment.
    I have visited those groups and can recognize some of their members in here too.
    Somehow I find the MercoPress “dynamic” more “teaching” and “rewarding” if you know what I mean.
    Even if clearly biased, they provide decent info to debate on.

    SU

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    if you can't beat the bully's we might as well join them and see how the rest likes it, apparently nobody like it, go complain to UN for 150 years and see how it feels then comeback here talk to us Argentines we will tell you the same thing UK tells UN, we don't want to listen. LOL short for go to hell, maybe taking Chile and Uruguay is a better deal then letting UK just take the fakland, I think Argetina has claims on Uruguay and Chile, if ethnic cleansing is not possible in fakland we might as well take Uruguay and Chile who seem to be against us.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Go for it avargas2001, But don't set your eyes on the falkalnds or you'll recieve a second spanking.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    International waters ,, this being the case , then the royal navy has a legal right to patrol their, and see if the argies say anything, the royal navy should just send a sub to sit on the surface and follow the Uruguayan ships, and just see if Argentina tries to stop them, but alas as before, as soon as the Argentinean navy intercepts the signal that the royal navy is going their, the whole Argentinean navy WILL return to base, and say they have urgent repairs or some other excuse, [bully's the the Uruguayan ] but cowards to us,,,

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Story of a “Planted Story”
    This story has been categorically denied by the Defense Minister of Uruguay Mr. Luis Rosadilla.
    The refutation can be read in the official site of his ministry.
    www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Or here, the second biggest newspaper in Uruguay:
    www.larepublica.com.uy/politica/416413-rosadilla-desmiente-acoso-a-buques-en-el-atlantico-sur

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    how come all this pesty british people come here to roost, are they all working for the british government ? silly question ! they all sound like government leaches, now I declare london to be a province of Argentina and I vote me as your governor, I also declare international waters to be Argentine and the rest of you irrelevant, now there should be no problems go STFU britsih pest.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “now I declare london to be a province of Argentina and I vote me as your governor, I also declare international waters to be Argentine and the rest of you irrelevant, now there should be no problems go STFU britsih pest.”

    How about we annex your nation and declare argentina a province of the falklands? How would you feel about that?

    The main difference being that we could actually do it. But we woudnt, we believe in human rights.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    we already did annexed the fakland and the UK to Argentina I thought the PM we have in place told you that. LOL zethe I already declared you irrelevant why are you still here ? man !!! brits really like to be slapped arround by Latinos I think it must turn them on.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    avargas2001: It's sad to read your stupid comments. I'm Uruguayan and you and I know that Kelpers don't want to know anything about Argentina (I'd do so too), so you should leave them alone and stop this. Uruguay has nothing to do with this issue and your government is using this situaction -as they did in 1982- to distract the Argentine people's attention from all the disasters they are doing inside Argentina. Argentina could be a great country if you just started to work seriuosly.
    What Uruguay should do is to open Montevideo's port to the British and this bullying attitude would be over.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    AMGVVV Argentina is a great country if the illegal british colonist occupying Malvinas left our land, Argentina is a great country this might be why UK is still trying to force themselves on it and break it apart, If Uruguay wants them in we can make a bigger country between the UK, Uruguay and Malvinas, we can call it the Rio the la Plata face two and I hope you get a beutiful Argentine passport when you are finally annexed, you think the brits will even care, you are a latino.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    avargas2001: To start with you don't know who I am, but take for sure that I don't want to be Argentinean. I don't get what the 'latino' thing is all about... But anyway, if you want to keep on with the Falklands issue go ahead but don't make Uruguay part of it. By the way, the Falklands are the Kelpers' land not yours.

    Jul 07th, 2010 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    AMGVVV Nor do you know me, nor do I care where you are from if the beaurocrats want to make an issue of Argentine international relation they can go cry to UN as everyone else does, state your claim take a sit and wait in line like we do, the drilling in the ocean close to Argentina is our busyness not yours, we don't want a Gulf of Mexico disaster to happend anywhere near us, so yes if the ship got to be stoped and checked to prevent this from happening be it, we all have to make a sacrifice and we should be prepared to make it for ourselves, it's ovious the rest will only care for themselves as the little mill you guys put against internarional laws, quite frankly you have no stake here “los de afuera son de palo” this is an Argentine security issue, we can argue all we want but someone has to get their hands dirty since USA will not stand up to BP, Argentine has to protect their interests, I support them.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    avargas2001: Argentineans talking about international laws? For Christ sake! It's too much. Good night.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    “...as usual as WMD “sexed-up” reports makes it to yours” - touche!

    We appear to have the same ministers too ... they deny everything in just the same style, whether the matter is true or otherwise! Bloody politicians, eh Think :-)

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JoJo

    avargas2001
    “we don't want a Gulf of Mexico disaster to happend anywhere near us, ”
    Well, why don't you ask your own government to stop BP, Repsol and YPF to cease drilling for oil in the Argentine part of the continental shelf? This would ensure no ecological disaster will happen on your beaches. We will protect our own with robust environmental protection like you wouldn't know anything about. Ask you friend Think to get his buddy Bingham onto the case!

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    31) Hoyt
    Storm in a teacup
    El Pais, the same paper that published the original story, printed this article yesterday.
    As you can read the “information” originated from the Uruguayan Navy referring to some “radio communication” between the Argentinean Navy and the Falklands supply ship, sailing from Punta Arenas.”

    Nothing more.

    A “Controlled” and “Staged” tempest in a tea pot but it served it’s purpose both ways.,,,,,,

    Focus is now on the Uruguayan Supply Route and I can assure you that nor minister Rosadilla nor Pepe Mujica do like to be manipulated in this way......

    http://www.elpais.com.uy/100707/pnacio-500303/nacional/traba-a-navegacion-afecta-mejor-vinculo-con-argentina

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    sounds like a part of a cunning plan ..... one of Baldrick's perhaps?

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well..... thats the way politics work mate.......
    You should know.....:-)

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    25 avargas2001:

    Are you from argentina? are you even from earth? Your last venture on to the islands was an embarrasment at best. The only people who got a good slapping was you guys.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (34)Hoyt
    Indulge me please...
    Look! this “Story” made it today to the top!
    UPI : United Press International has it.
    And there is a lot of “new interesting details against Argentina....
    Details not mentioned anywhere else!..... WoooW .......Exclusivity

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/07/07/Uruguay-upset-by-Argentine-naval-bullying-on-the-high-seas/UPI-20371278535523/

    But.... wait a minute!
    We all know UPI ... Don’t we?
    Lets look what Wiki P. says:

    Starts ok....
    United Press International (UPI) is a news agency headquartered in the United States with roots dating back to 1907.

    but then.......
    UPI was purchased in 2000 by Sun Myung Moon's global media conglomerate News World Communications, becoming an addition to the Unification Church media portfolio. At the time Moon said:
    We even have to utilize the media for the sake of church development. The church is the mind and the media is the body, to reach the external world

    By 2007, UPI, which once had 6000 employees in 223 news and picture bureaus around the world, thousands of nonstaff “stringers,” and 7,500 customers in 100 countries, had fewer than 50 employees.
    In August 2007, the company reduced that number further, and currently has only five reporters in its Washington D. C. headquarters.

    Do you know Reverend Moon?
    We do.....

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    I have heard of the Reverend Moon.

    I think the Reverend Moon should have been locked up a long time ago on the basis that he's a 'loony'.

    Getting back to the subject I'd be pretty bloody annoyed if someone harrassed my naval ..... unless it was a she, 28'ish and knew how to massage!

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Life is unfair....
    Her I am, stuck with Loony Moony....
    and there you are close to all those Soi's......

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Did avargas really say Britain is stealing oil from the Falklands? The man is making a complete idiot of himself...NO OIL HAS BEEN EXTRACTED. THEY ARE IN THE EXPLORATION STAGE. Avargas, you are only hurting your credibility by submitting pure crap. But keep it coming. The more Argentines say concerning the Falklands, the more they discredit themselves.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Everybody needs to be careful of “gassy” as stick it up your junta so delightfully refers to him/her/it. Have a look around on the comments on this site and you will find where I posted excerpts from the Wikipedia log showing why he/she/it is indefinitely banned.
    Now, on this thread, so far, he has been borderline but I can tell that he is beginning to foam at the mouth. This is usually followed by wild, illiterate, ignorant, implausible, unintelligible comments and assertions that blame everyone else, no matter who, for the conspiracy against him and his country. Is this paranoia? Anxiety? Sexual repression? Schizophrenia? Who knows? He should be humoured. ................. No, the hell with it, it's so funny when he loses it.

    Welcome to AMGVVV. Nice to hear a voice of sanity. It is my understanding that Britain and Uruguay have had a good relationship. I am reminded of the small matter of the Admiral Graf Spee in 1939. May I say that I believe it to be the case that any vessel finding itself in distress or being interfered with in international waters can call for assistance. All you have to do is ask. I have no doubt that the Royal Navy will be pleased to render aid. I also gather it's becoming a little like Somalia down that way.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    jojo if you can't beat them we might as well join them, besides I will love for it to happend so I can tell all of you here, I told you soo and britain leads the way, it's just matter of time and believe me I will still be here to tell you,“I told you soo”, and now with Argentina in it the more chances that it will happend since we can't protect them and we will probably be victims of sabotaje, it can happend to anyone if it happend to BP, maybe then we can convince the rest of the world that oil is not good after all the fish from the see gets killed or polluted, Argentina should not sit on the side line we should take adventage of the land 100% and not conform ourselves with 3% handout from taxes, send all those british spyes home to roost, besides they are lead by a queen who does nothing but screws them out of their money, they can't even change her and they think they have freedom, pay up your bill to the military so your queen can have another island to drink tea on, send your kids to be killed and spat at and beheaded soo she can fart in Antartica. UK has no army they depend on the royal navy witch is the wueen army not theirs. LOL

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    As a born uruguayan living since 2004 in Uruguay, it's pitiful to watch most of the uruguayan people living in political darkness. The Frente Amplio has surrendered uruguayan sovereignty to the “Buenos Aires Cabildo” run by the KK. Uruguay's government could do many things to help the terrible argentinean dependency; like establishing tourism and trade with the Falklands. It will never happen, Argentina won't allow it. Very sad, indeed !!

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “besides they are lead by a queen who does nothing but screws them out of their money”

    congratulations, you've managed fail twice in one statement.

    Queen does not rule. As for bleeding the tax payer, she earns more money through toruism than it costs us to keep her.

    “UK has no army they depend on the royal navy witch is the wueen army not theirs”

    Yet it was our ARMY that beat yours when outnumbered 2-1.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    royal navy doesn't really sound like a british navy, or even a national navy, does this mean all of the communwealth live on the queens hand out of food stamps and social assistance ?? no wonder you guy come here to speak with Argentines, complex of inferiority usually makes peope seek selfassured individuals, we have lots of that in Argentina with a tad of ego, too bad things for the brits we don't like homos.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    45 avargas2001: Argentina is all egos, arrogance and a lot of air. About “we don't like homos”, excuse me, you have them all over the media and else. I don't think name calling the brits “homos” has anything to do with the subject, just plain insulting.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    45 avargas2001:

    sigh. The royal navy is the UK's navy. commonwealth nations have their own navys.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    Liberty:
    You're right. Uruguayans live in political and economical darkness closing our country to the rest of the world. I've been living abroad for a while and will be returning very soon so I hope this can change as soon as possible. The key to this problem as I see it is education. So when the Frente Amplio leaves government a great investment should be done in serious educational restructure. The thing is that this is a vicious circle: more F.A., less education and vice versa.

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    gasious is on a bit of a trip here ...lost it completely. Must be the frustration ... the British brick wall can really hurt :-)

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    The only immigrants in the south Atlantic are Argentineans,
    So why don’t you give back the land you stole of the natives, and leave.
    I’m sure Chile might take pity and let some of you in,

    Jul 08th, 2010 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    Almost all of us in the South Atlantic are immigrants, so I agree with briton's point. What should we do? Leave? Or should we be considered a part of Argentina? Argentina with its government attitudes towards Uruguay seems to agree with the latter option.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    librety I will say it again I can't stand homos and if british people feel hurt, they can lick my boots, I am Argentine not self proclaimed british as the illegal aliens in Malvinas, besides they couldn't get me out I have an Argentine passport, unlike the people in Malvinas who live there without any legal status or documentation, AMGVVV you are not even a suth american, and even if you wanted to be one you would most likely end up being a trador and you know how we treat traidors in our culture, you can either be set on fire while you are still breathing or someone who really cares for you will shot you where you stand, I will make your choice easy AMGVVV we don't want homos in south america and since you ask what to do, as a true latin american I'll will demand you go back to your daddy in UK, or what ever hole you crawled out from, I have Argentine citizenship and I am not pesting or stealing, from Argentina that is, if Uruguay doesn't respect international laws in gueleguaychu what makes you think they are not bringing the brits equipment ?? maybe we should close the gualeguaychu bridge permanetly, four years is not right for people who puposely broke international laws, close the bridge and let this trador go cry to WTO and UN, the bridge should be close permanently, we don't need to trade with tradors, AMGVVV never return you are not welcome by latin Americans go live with the brits, you will fit in perfectly, never use us when refering to latin americans you might wish you where, but you are the son of a brit, Uruguay is a great country without lemmings like you.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Gassy,how many keyboards do your knuckels get through in a week

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    53: LOL!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    http://www.elpais.com.uy/10/07/09/predit_500698.asp

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (55) AMGVVV
    This story has been categorically denied by the Defense Minister of Uruguay Mr. Luis Rosadilla.

    The refutation can be read in the official site of his ministry.
    http://www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Or here, the second biggest newspaper in Uruguay:
    http://www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    52 avargas2001 : Wow, you really got yourself inspired !!...you made “gumbo” out of nothing. I agree w/you:“ the bridge should be close permanently”. You're referring to the San Martin bridge that connects Fray Bentos w/ Gualeguaychu village, argentina, right?. If it was up to me and most uruguayans, we'll stop diplomatic and trade w/ Argentina. But is up to a corrupt government, a bunch of old tupamaros, they surrendered uruguayan’s sovereignty to the KK, nothing that we can do about it. You’re very large country w/ 38 million people, needs to worry about their business and stop fighting over territory. Argentina has plenty and poverty is everywhere. Why they want to take over the Falklands 300 miles away from mainland?.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (57)
    Here he is again .....
    The false Uruguayan...
    Fake from beginning to end..
    No speak espanish yet senior?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    I'm beginning to suspect that gassious is a bit of a closet homosexual ..... certainly gets a tad wound up about the subject, or maybe he's taken it up the rear ... now that can, I'm told, affect a man's sense of perspective.

    Think - ministers deny stuff all the time! Here too. Don't mean that it didn't happen!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    58 Think: The newspaper that you're posting La Republica, is a communist paper supported by the Frente Amplio. Read the most popular paper in Uruguay, El Pais. I'm posting the link:

    http://www.elpais.com.uy/100706/pnacio-500104/nacional/uruguay-denuncia-acoso-argentino-a-sus-buques

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    Dear Think:
    Neither Mr. Rosadilla nor La República newspaper are trustable sources of information. We all know that in Uruguay.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Still , el “Panadero Asesino” is your Defense Minister and el “Pepe, el Tupa” is your democratically elected President.
    Using “You All know” seems then to be quite an overstatement.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    62 Think: Did you read the article in El Pais?...You see, I can read and speak spanish fluently, I was born in Montevideo, Uruguay but I'm yank citizen.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    If you really think Argentina should let go of our national claim to Malvinas, I think I would rather let them have Uruguay than give Malvinas to the brits, I mean you don't seem to mind them, keep them, and when they turn you into a exploited slave colony if you ever need us we will tell you where to go. we don't want to take over we never gived it to away, imagine someone comes and never leaves your house, those are the colonist. “los de afuera son de palo” let me quote a line from a man who I use to hate a lot but only know it makes sense, if you are not with us you are with the enemy, there is no middle here, and yes if you think it's best to close San Martin bridge, I dear you to be as patriotic as the people from gualeguaychu and block it for the next four year as they did, I am afraid you will have to collect 1000000 souls like yours to have the same patriotism as one of them, territorial integrity might not mean much to indians but it means a lot to us Argentine, in any case we don't want the fakland they can take it to their homeland britain with council and all, they are free to do as they wish in britain, Malvinas in never being negotiable, this is not a comment it's a claim, and if they rather fight then do it in a civilized manner at the UN, I think it's their choice exept some of them might get shoot this time around, pirats can't be trusted nor tradors.

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  • Think

    (61) AMGVVV

    Your “Logic ”is then:

    You can trust the Defense Minister when “El Pais” newspaper says that he has said something.

    Yo can NOT trust the Defense Minister when HE Himself says that he has NOT said anything.

    Spoooky

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    62 Think: You're right. These characters are part of our government. Still that doesn't make them reliable at all. You seem to know Rosadilla's story so you have relevant information to judge for yourself if he deserves your trust or not. You choose...

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    I've been doing some research on the time of “gassy's” comments - time of day, sun over the yard arm, etc - trying to work out whether alcohol has anything to do with the increasingly hilarious/decreasing standard of English posts that he/she/it sends in. Unfortunately, there's no ryhme nor reason to it...at least not as far as I can see...but then again, I've had too much to drink!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    They are not “Characters”
    You are a “Character”
    President Mujica has today a popular acceptation of nearly 80%
    The whole of his government enjoy my Prima Facie trust.
    No question about that.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    65 Think :
    My logic is very clear: I trust neither terrorists nor communists.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Don't say!
    But they are still your democratically elected government.
    What are you planning to do?
    Keep lying the whole time and hope something will stick?
    Or maybe, even better and quicker, the good old trick with the military?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    Uhem...sorry about my frivolous comment before. However, continuing with the frivolous thread, are there no Argentinians concerned with the way in which their Government is condoning piratical actions in the South Atlantic (once again, I'm sorry...to have to drag you back to the original thread - it seems to have gone off course...again!)? Those of you posting here who might know who I am - user name and knowledge of cricket might give me away - will probably know who I am and that I kinda have a legal background. I have not yet seen a proper argument from the BA side as to how it justify its “decrees” regarding the “maritime spaces” surrounding the Falklands. Anyone?! And, please, don't send in shit about “The Claim” to the Islands! What I'm talking about is international maritime law as to the legality or otherwise of recent Argentinian decrees.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    70 Think
    Again, you are absolutely right. They are a democratically elected government.
    What I can do is wait until the next elections. Those are the rules. I'm not planning to kidnap or kill innocent people as some groups did in the past.
    And by the way I don't trust dictators either, so let the military do the work they are payed for and let good democratically elected politicians govern the country. As simple as that.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    64 avargas2001: “ imagine someone comes and never leaves your house, those are the colonist”. The Falklands are not argentinean's home since,circa 1833. Come on !!... US shares the British Virgin Islands, the Bahamas, etc. They are part of the British Commonwealth of Nations. The US never claimed territorial rights because the continental proximity. But again, we're talking about 1st world countries getting along. Argentina doesn't have that status, you're 3rd world, if that !!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (71) PomInOz
    If you have any problem with the legality of the decrees, feel free to denounce them to the proper international instances.
    Due process will advance at the pace those things move and eventually somebody will reach some kind of decision.
    Argentina will of course follow such decision and issue a new slightly different decree :-)
    If you are in a hurry, you could ask the Royal Navy to teach our small fiberglass patrol boats “a lesson”.
    That would look good on the front page of The Sun........ GOTCHA!
    You “Rule the Waves ”
    Do as you please.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    Anyone?! Any legal arguments whatsoever?!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Deferement is an invaluable “legal” argument in life.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    76 Think: Let's go right to the Argentinean claim over the Falklands. What do you think your country is going to get out of crying like a baby at the UN after losing the 1982 war?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Que?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    Eh? What?! I've no idea, Think, what you're trying to say!
    Trying to move the legal argument on, though...
    Britain has no need to take its argument to any international court of law. Argentina, on the other hand does - if it wants to gain possession of the islands. And yet, Argentina never will. Because it knows that it will lose. Don't yet dismiss my argument (at least not yet!), because, in international law, Britain does not have a much better case (although it does have a better case than Argentina). What the ICJ would take into account is not the British case or the Argentinian case but the Islanders case. Argentina refuses to take into account the Falklanders and that's where its argument, at least before the ICJ, falls flat. The UN decolonisation committee takes into account the politics of the “argument”. The ICJ does not and that is why Argentina will never take it there.
    I'm not a proponent of “gun boat” diplomacy and I deplore the sort of Sun headline that you quote. However, if Argentina does try it on again (which I doubt very much), I have no doubt that Britannia would “rule the waves” again.

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  • Liberty

    79 PomInOz: I agree 100% with: “What the ICJ would take into account is not the British case or the Argentinian case but the Islanders case. Argentina refuses to take into account the Falklanders”...The sad part is that “Think” is the typical argentinean blinded by a false sense of patriotism.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (79)
    You have a problem with decree 256....?
    Your problem!
    You solve it.
    Either through the courts...................................
    Or through Gun Boat diplomacy
    Our small patrol boats will NOT fire back but Webcams will be rolling.....
    Your move.

    I can't say it clearer...... Can I?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    80 Liberty: Well, thank you. I've held back for a number of months, reading the posts on this site, before contributing my thoughts - for what they are worth! There are a number of differing views - the majority of which on the Argentinian side are simply laughable (and jingoistic) and some of them on the Brits side are (also) jingoistic - which have made me baulk from contributing. I do have to say though, the best contributor on the Arg (I'm now fed up with typing Argentinian, but I don't agree with and refuse to say “Argie”) side, and the best written, are by “Think” (my gawd, what am I saying!!).
    Think, remember that beer that I was talking about what feels like an age ago now, well, you definitely owe it me now! Send it!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    Is there any real, sound, information about which/any ships that have been stopped/harrassed by the Argentine Coast Guard or whoever is supposed to enforce the decree?

    I can't find anything, the FIG aren't complaining and there's no suggestion that shipping is not getting through to the islands. This doesn't seem to actually amount to very much. Just smoke and mirrors!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    81 Think - clearly my post crossed with yours! I take it all back - about how you are the best Arg contributor! However, I still want my beer!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (84) Pom
    Too late mate... it’s on record
    I remember that beer, of course, but in my recollection it was YOU buying the first one :-)

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    (85) Think. I know it's on the record, but don't you want to retract?!
    As for the beer, are you sure it was me that offered to buy first? You could be right, of course. It's very late here (in Oz) and I'm on the whisky now, so I could be persuaded...by a good argument though!
    And you never did properly answer my international maritime law question, by the way...?

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Hmmm
    Enjoy your Scotch....
    You can read this Legal Text tomorrow...

    Argentina’s position about our unilateral understanding of International Maritime Law would be something like this:

    “We have no doubt about our Sovereignty over our Maritime Areas.
    The Argentinean Government is entitled to develop a Control and Security Zone within its waters to prevent volatile situations that could rapidly develop into conflictive hotspots in detriment of regional peaceful development.

    It is, as well, a longstanding Argentinean government policy to be a pain in the ass for the British.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    87 Think:
    “It is, as well, a longstanding Argentinean government policy to be a pain in the ass for the British”.

    Only for the British?....Argentina is a bad photocopy of Nazi Germany. The sad part is that you believe your armed forces and your poor diplomacy has any bearing in the XXI century.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    Yes, well, as I said, I''m not bothered about hearing what the Arg position is on its sov claim, but on the actual legality of its maritime decrees. What you have posted has nothing to do with maritime law, but simply a rehash of the Arg claim over the Falklands/Malvinas “area”, by which I mean the land and sea area.
    Come on, please somebody, let's hear a proper legal argument...
    I await it...but not just now, as I'm off to bed now, as it's just about to hit 4 am here in Melbourne!
    I look forward to debating the real questions tomorrow! Buenos noches!! (hope that I spelt it right!)

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Goodnight Captain Possum, Kookaburra, Kangaroo

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    WTF! Get a grip man! I was just about to head off to bed and then you insult me by insulting me with “Convict” insults (have I said “insult” enough?!!!). I'm a “Pom” down under, so if you wish to give me grief, give it with the words “Gray Nichols”, “GM”, “Filthy Brit”, “Margaret Thatcher”...then I could respect you! As I started, so I'll finish...“WTF”!!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    To the Uruguayan posters. I do sympathise, but you must watch out for the Kirchners. Remember that, as South America was formulating, Uruguay was part of the same conglomeration of colonists as Argentine. And under what would now be Argentine rule. Argentines have a long history of trying to grab territory that they think (no pun intended) should be theirs. Watch those borders! They also believe in sneak attacks.

    53 stick it up your junta. Sadly, gassy doesn't wear out keyboards with his knuckles. He's already worn out his knuckles dragging them on the ground.

    71 PomInOz. I can cut right to the substance of your question. Argentina has no basis in international law for decree 256. Twinky's comment about referring it to appropriate authorities is, of course, superfluous, as is Twinky. The British Government has already told Argentina what it thinks of its decree.

    And I'm sure that any vessel that wishes to call for assistance because it is being interfered with by those who have no right to do so, will find the Royal Navy coming to its aid.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    “Here comes the Sub”, future musical success! :-)

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Liberty

    92 harrier61:
    “To the Uruguayan posters. I do sympathise, but you must watch out for the Kirchners”.

    I was born in Uruguay but emigrated in 1968 to the US, came back 2004. 99% of the uruguayan population live in the “twilight zone”. 53% re-voted the Frente Amplio which is made of a terrorist gang, the tupamaros. The president is Jose Mujica, alias “Emiliano”, and spent time in jail for kidnapping, murder, robbery, etc. Minister Luis Rosadilla was part of the tupamaro gang with a criminal record too. Uruguay has a history of corruption and siding with whatever government rules in Argentina, Peron and further back.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (91) Pom
    I have a sick and perverted sense of humour, I know.
    It was an unnecessary aggravation I know.
    Sorry, I can’t help it. Sorry
    Did I say sorry?
    Sorry!

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    #73 libery, those lables 1st to 3rd world nations is little like the whites and the blacks of this world I guess racism is never over for the brits, is that why you guys kill muslim for no reason ? whatever # you label me with doesn't change our rights to selfdefence, the sad side of this is that Argentina need nukes to protect our territorial integrity as Israel does, if Israel can kill muslim citizens who is going to care for 2000 pirats ? and you are wrong, if Malvinas was not part of Argentina, you and all this brits trolls would not be here, and if Argentina was trying to steal it from you, it would be us Argentines pesting in british report pages, now go to the top and read what countrys this report mentions, and who is comming to who to pest them and create confrontation ?? you guys think that people are stupid and that we don't see what you are doing here, do't worry it's all clear.

    Jul 09th, 2010 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    Gassious, your grip on reality continues to falter ... you are the one's moaning because you dan't have possession or control over the Falkland islands. We have and therefore the issue, if there is one, is little more than a footnote on a slow news day.

    As far as I am aware nobody is threatening Argentina. I seriously doubt that the Falkland Islanders are sufficiently land hungry to attempt an invasion anytime soon.

    And killing muslims is fine when they're trying to kill you.

    You do have a right to self defence, and so do the people of the Falkland Islands.

    Now go and take your tablets!

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    The british must be shaking to its core, look how many of them come here to fight for Islas Malvinas Argentinas, their fear and weakness shows in numbers, british inferiority complex has a grip on the whole group, we will need nukes to fight against the occupation of our Argentina's gaza strip.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Yeah, terrified.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    #99 why else would a brit be here or care for a report that pertains to Argentina, Uruguay relations ? I went to read some of UK and EU reports and placed my own opinion, and apparently Argentina, Uruguay as well as Brazil have a lot more british trolls then the few Latin americans I see commenting in this pages, in conclution there is a lot more british trolls regurgitating their ignorance and fears than the few latinamericans who seem to have no clue they are being herded and used.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Yeah, you've got me. Here in the UK we are all terrified that your tin pot army might try and invade again.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    according to the UN home office, although they have asked from talks, this is only protocol, the fact is, you cannot talk or agree over something that just don’t exist, and Malvinas just don’t exist,

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

    #102 you can find Malvinas in the south end of Argentine it's a pair of Argentine islands, and yes according to UN fakland doesn't exist because there can't be any unilateral changes to the status unless Argenina sits with UK, I don't even know why Argentina has to sit with UK when all they have to do is deport all the illegal aliens back to their home land, according to what I heard the illegal colony don't want to stay in Argentina, and we can't let them be in a place that doesn't exist.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    I want to draw your attention to this fascinating but sadly overseen MercoPress Fisheries article.
    As we all know, fish is of paramount importance for the Islands economy.
    This new discovery could be a “potent boost” for Malvinas products!

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/07/08/falklands-fisheries-scientists-discover-mating-habits-of-deep-sea-squid

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    Gassious - read my lips “ take the T A B L E T S, the tablets”

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    He's Canadian I believe the correct word is “P I L L S, the pills”

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Is he canadian? thought he was Argentinian?

    Are we sure it's even from earth?

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    I thought Pils wa s a lager?

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    93. Of course, it'll be a musical success. Contains tunes such as “On the Good Ship Lollipop” and “I'm forever blowing bubbles”. All songs well known in the Argentine navy.

    96. I'm glad it's all clear to you, gassy. Unlike what you write. Small point about who is going to care about 3000 Islanders. We do. And I've been to “the top”. Seems to be about Argentina harassing Uruguay. Your point?

    98. Of course I shake to the core when I think of Argentina. It's called laughing.

    100. Hey, who can tell the difference between the “people” and the cattle? Herding is inevitable.

    103. Think it through. “I don't even know why Argentina has to sit with UK when all they have to do is deport all the illegal aliens back to their home land”. You're supposed to sit with the UK because it's British territory. You can't deport anyone who isn't in your territory. There “might” be a few illegal aliens on the Falklands. Just let the FIG know who they are and you can have them back. For the Islanders, they are in their homeland. But thanks for the concern. By the way, Malvinas only exists between your ears.

    104. Twinky. Didn't miss the article. Already decided that deep sea squid rise to the surface in the middle of the night and mate with population of Argentina. It's why Argentines are the way they are. Slimy, beaky, big staring eyes, grasping, black ink.... and all those horny suckers. Check it out. Look in the mirror.

    106-107. He's a wetback. That is to say, an illegal crossing from South America into the USA. So called because the border is defined by the Rio Grande.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    He's Canadian I believe the correct word is “P I L L S, the pills”

    no piles,he is a pain in the arse

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    we think that brazil will whack you long before you ever get the chance of nukes, all you will get is a brazilian rubber ?

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    No, not brazil. The USA however, would not allow it.

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    i am reliably informed that the astute sub, will be doing exercises in the south Atlantic this winter,

    Jul 10th, 2010 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    5 DAYS AGO.... BIIIG NEWS.... Why?.....Who?.... Where?....When?....
    SINCE THEN......NOTHING........

    By the way guys... I have a bridge to sell you in Uruguay...:-)

    “Uruguayan merchant and naval shipping is under continuous harassment from the Argentine Navy in South Atlantic international waters, a new chapter of the difficult relations between the neighbouring countries, reports Montevideo’s main daily El Pais, quoting undisclosed Parliament sources.”

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    http://www.elpais.com.uy/10/07/11/predit_501107.asp

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    And?........
    No News....
    An Editorial where the editor comments the old news from his own paper!....
    Whats new?

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    Nothing new, Think. Argentina's attitude has always been the same...

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    If that is your opinion.....
    I can tell you that the formal and informal meetings between our governments have never been better.
    Of course some military dinosaurs and “Opus Dei patriots” would like it to be different.
    Thats why they are planting those stories.
    We are used to them.
    We know how to tackle them

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • AMGVVV

    No opinions my friend. Just facts.

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Story of a “Planted Story”
    This story has been categorically denied by the Defense Minister of Uruguay Mr. Luis Rosadilla.
    The refutation can be read in the official site of his ministry.
    www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Or here, the second biggest newspaper in Uruguay:
    www.larepublica.com.uy/politica/416413-rosadilla-desmiente-acoso-a-buques-en-el-atlantico-sur

    By the way Minister Rosadilla, an ex political prisoner (terrorist some would call him) tells on the same page about his plans to reduce Uruguay’s military apparatus and his cooperation with the Uruguayan Courts by opening the “secret dirty files” of the Navy.

    Curious coincidence.................
    We are threatened by Argentina!!!
    Need Aircraft Carriers!!!
    Need Submarines!!!
    Need Euro Fighters!!!
    Where have I heard all that before?

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    The BBC?

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Twinky.
    How many times have you posted the same thing on this thread?

    (4), (22), (56), (120).

    Go with the gunboats and the webcams. Do webcams float?

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    And yet he still claims not to spam... All he does is repeat the same message over and over again.

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    well the royal navy is getting rid of a few old ships,, they can have them, to help them out, they may be 20 years old, but still better than what the argies have .

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    This story has been categorically denied by the Defense Minister of Uruguay Mr. Luis Rosadilla.
    The refutation can be read in the official site of his ministry.
    www.mdn.gub.uy/

    Or here, the second biggest newspaper in Uruguay:
    www.larepublica.com.uy/politica/416413-rosadilla-desmiente-acoso-a-buques-en-el-atlantico-sur

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PomInOz

    G'day! Just pulled another all-nighter watching the sport here in convict-land - and I noticed that it all went quiet here for a while - everyone too busy watching footie?!
    The story, as far as I can tell, is that another country, other than the Falklands, is having problems with the Arg “over vigorously” (let's call it that, shall we?!) defending what it thinks is its borders.
    This isn't anything new, of course, except that the other Mercosur countries support the Arg, conveniently forgetting that the Arg has done this to them many times over the past few decades.

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    No smoke without fire...
    No harrasment...?
    A friend was departing BA two weeks ago. When organising his clearance he copped a two hour Prefectura harangue and then was forced under duress to sign a paper saying he would not call at the Falklands....
    The Prefectura has shown me this form... I have been told I'll have to sign one before I get my next clearance.
    Where was my mate going??? Brazil....

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    As Queen Victoria once said, “we do not understand the possibilities of defeat, they do not exist”. The Falkland Islands are rightfully British. full stop!,,

    Jul 11th, 2010 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (127)
    And........... Where is your problem...........
    When you sail to or from a country's harbors you have to obey that country's laws!
    Full Stop.
    No discussion.
    Typical Yank. You people really think that by yelling “I'm an American Citizen” you are over the law! (like in Hollywood's B movies)
    Well........ You are not mate.....

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    You really don't understand this do you.... I am not a north american.
    By what law does Argentina dictate which countries ships on the high seas can call at? What was that? I can't hear you.......

    Oh.. the 'I'm a south american thug' law ....

    My chums next port prior to Brasil was actually going to be Colonia.......

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    130) Frank
    However, you sound more Yank than ever... and equally dodgy......
    I don’t understand???

    At (127) you complain about :
    “A friend was departing Buenos Aires two weeks ago. When organizing his clearance.....”
    Well..... Buenos Aires is Argentina.
    He was departing from an Argentinean harbor, he has to comply with the rules.

    And the you complain again:
    “I have been told I'll have to sign one before I get my next clearance.”
    Well..... If you are departing from an Argentinean harbor, then you have to comply with the rules too.

    Apparently you Americans don’t need any qualification or certificate to sail the Seven Seas.
    Maybe that’ s the reason of your ignorance (I still remember your funny “ideas” about “No compulsory pilotage at Magellan Strait” or “Puerto Natales being in the Antarctic province of Chile” :-0 )
    That’s your problem.
    But when in a foreign country you should understand that you have to comply with their laws.
    No rocket science.

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    You really don't have a clue do you.... ?
    You know what they say 'beware the bold assumption'.
    Once you have left a country that country can not dictate where you go or what you do... as you say..no(t) rocket science... you are beyond their laws.
    Since the early 60's the United States ( where I don't come from btw) wont let ships that trade with Cuba call at US ports... hasn't worked for them won't work for your lot either.

    Tell me again about how no ships except a few local coasters use Magallanes because it is too shallow and narrow... let he who is without sin cast the first stone etc etc

    ¿Is sugar still rationed in your local supermercados?

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    THIMC
    Argentina’s Navy thank’s the Uruguayan Defense Ministry for the denial of “Harrasement to Uruguayan wessels” :
    http://www.larepublica.com.uy/politica/416820-armada-argentina-agradecio-desmentido-de-uruguay-sobre-acoso-a-naves-uruguayas

    Robust reaction from the British Parliament :-)))
    Asked by Lord Inglewood
    To ask Her Majesty's Government whether MV “Anja”, on charter to South American Atlantic Services Ltd of Stanley, Falkland Islands, has been compelled by Argentine authorities to sail from Punta Arenas, Chile, and round Cape Horn rather than travelling straight from Punta Arenas to the Falkland Islands.
    The Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Lord Howell of Guildford): Decisions on shipping routes taken by privately owned vessels are for masters or owners to make.
    But the Government are aware of Argentine Presidential Decree 256 which purports to require prior authorisation for shipping to and from Argentina and the Falkland Islands, and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. We have delivered a formal protest to the Government of Argentina, making it clear that we firmly reject it. We do not believe that decree 256 is compliant with international law, including the UN law of the sea. The Department for Transport has also issued such advice to the industry.

    Next chapter in this Story:
    “Anja” from Punta Arenas is out.
    “Scout” from Montevideo is next.

    With a little help of our friends.....

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • avargas2001

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    Jul 12th, 2010 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Breaking News:
    Falklands Oil and Gas Shares Down nearly 50% Today
    I love Mondays!!!

    http://www.stockopedia.co.uk/content/falkland-oil-and-gas-disappointed-by-dry-well-at-toroa-prospect-44627/

    Hmmmmm....
    Strange that MercoPress didn’t catch this story.....
    I suppose that Venezuela’s Inflation is more “relevant” for us South Atlantickers ;-)

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hoytred

    “ ... whether MV “Anja”, on charter to South American Atlantic Services Ltd of Stanley, Falkland Islands, has been compelled by Argentine authorities to sail from Punta Arenas, Chile, and round Cape Horn rather than travelling straight from Punta Arenas to the Falkland Islands....”

    The answer in the House of Lords did not actually confirm whether the report was true. This company seems to be an offshoot of Consolidated Fisheries Ltd which operates out of Lookout Industrial Estate. Any islanders able to offer clarification?

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • harrier61

    Hi gassy. We're here because you're funny. And “know thy enemy”. You see, back in 1982, most Brits thought that Argentina was a land of gauchos and transexuals. If they bothered to think about it at all.

    Now, of course, we are aware that it is a land of greedy, grasping, psychotic, mendacious, misogynist, deluded deviants with power-hungry crooks for “leaders”.

    So we keep an eye on you to see which way your delusions are currently taking you. And throw in a few comments to keep you on your toes. See how kind we are, giving you an outlet for all that repressed frustration, rage and hatred. Not to mention keeping a record of all that vitriol for later use in demonstrating the inherent mental instability of Argentines.

    Just look at Twinky. He keeps posting the same thing over and over. Because he likes to be noticed. I think it's called compensation. Feelings of inadequacy.

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think II

    Think here
    Well lads.......

    The moment finally arrived...
    My account has been “Regulated” (Closed:-)
    Too much “Foul language I suppose???
    After too many years with censorship in Argentina I don’t “think” it’s funny so..... ....
    Let’s see if they delete this farewell!

    (Sending this from a new account just to say good bye to the “intelligent ones”)

    Take care

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    bye think, but its worth thinking abt another name to come back with, might i suggest, Argentinean, without the foul language

    Jul 12th, 2010 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Bye Think. It is not all despair for us “British Trolls” or “Pirates” now that Think has left us, we still have avargas. Yes avargas, we fear Argentina so much, that is why we come on Mercopress and respond to your nonsensical ramblings about Argentine fantasy. Please avargas, come to the Falklands and try and deport us. I would love to see you try. Let me know when you do, I will give you my address, so you can start with me.

    Jul 13th, 2010 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Avargas won't be going to the Falklands... he has already opted to move to Canada, a Commonwealth country, to live under the parliamentary system, the Canadian queen, and true democracy. I wonder if he was running away from the Argentinian fascists or the Peronistas?

    Jul 13th, 2010 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    has the argentines seen our latest plane to be unveiled
    the prototype is called the [TARANIS] look it up, that’s why the British don’t just think, we are the best, WE are the best, we just cant afford more than one,

    Jul 13th, 2010 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I believe that the TARANIS was just created so that BAE systems could get experence with stealth.

    So they could get licences to work on the new f35 fighter. As a result BAE Systems is now the only non american company to be allowed to work on black projects in america. They're also the largest weapons comapny in the world now.

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    it will make others stand up,
    whether they will listen is another thing

    Jul 15th, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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