MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina warned: “Falklands’ defences remain strong
As the United Kingdom reviews the strength of its armed forces amid severe Government economic cuts, the Secretary of State for Defence, Doctor Liam Fox, has declared that the defence of the Falkland Islands remains strong. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWe can invade the islands with some spoons hahaha. I like this, I love it, I wonder how botox is doing now lol. Cristina talks and talks and talks and she can do NOTHING. God save the Queen. Please make us free from all these bank robbers and gangs! Puhleeze!
Oct 17th, 2010 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... The Defence Secretary’s assurance comes as Argentina persists in pursuing its campaign for sovereignty over the Falklands as the Islands continue to prosper as a democratically-ruled British territory enjoying self-determination....”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all :-)
I should follow the advice of Lord West he knows what is a war down here.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dr. Fox has no idea of what he is he talking about 4 typhoon haha you have to be very stupid to assume that.
Let’s see may be Dr. Fox cans win a war with his stethoscope after all is a Scot medicine practitioner.
Don’t worry after how he is messing up things may be he send UK task force to Gibraltar another clown in the house.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7134622.ece
Liam fox is being scrutinised a lot latly about lots of things. He certanly isnt making many friends.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Four Typhoons is more than enough to wipe the floor with your airforce......actually, do you even have one?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 West
Oct 17th, 2010 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course Argentina has an air force!
9 Mirage III, 20 Skyhawks, 6 IAI Fingers, 6 Mirage V and 24 Pucara.
Typhoons only have 12 hardpoints each. Of course, if 2 Typhoons were armed with 12 AIM-120 AMRAAMs each, that would be 24 missiles for BVR (Beyond Visual Range) use. Then 1 armed with 8 Storm Shadow cruise missiles and 4 AIM-9 Sidewinders and the 4th with 12 Sidewinders. That's 48 missiles for 65 Argentine aircraft. Of course, the Storm Shadow has a warhead roughly three times the size of that on a Tomahawk.
And all the time reinforcement Typhoons will be arriving!
“Dr Fox said Britain is far stronger militarily than Argentina and that the Falkland Islands are defended by some of the most modern weapons such as Typhoon strike aircraft ”...SHHHHHH Do not tell the Argentinians that we can't take off or land in the Malvinas fog...(Paper tigers)
Oct 17th, 2010 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentinian cruiser Belgrano is sunk by torpedoes fired from the nuclear submarine HMS Conqueror. Following this event, the Argentinian navy plays almost no further role in the conflict and its principal units stay in port.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did the fog keep them in port?
“Do not tell the Argentinians that we can't take off or land in the Malvinas fog..”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can take off and combat in fog. If there is no visibility due to fog only a few aircraft mostly passenger aircraft have the technology to land in such circumstances.
It also requires the landing strip to have the technology also.
Argentine navy Super Etendard?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer is no.
Argentine navy Super Etendard?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Answer is no.
However what would have been the only battle between aircraft carriers since World War II did not take place, as poor winds prevented the heavily loaded jets from being launched. After the British nuclear-powered submarine HMS Conqueror sank the General Belgrano, the Veinticinco de Mayo returned to port for safety. Spartan never tracked down the carrier.
No they didnt take off from Her
Old fashioned colonial governor talking about UN and this MoD guy talking warmorgering about argentina is saying that UK is in defensive verborragic mode in south atlantic; as mr.negrofromUN said: “world is aligning towards argentine argument”, today UK argument is militarism; last resourse argument, time is coming.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0happy 17 day.
This is what you don't seem to understand billy.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't care.
We will not change our stance.
We will not allow you to subjugate the islanders.
perhaps these silly people just don’t understand the gravity of the situation they are in, and facing]. before troops get anywhere near the fighting, [unless they do a cowardly sneak attack], lets look at some facts, the Astute subs have a range of over 3,000 miles, and are accurate to within ten feet, and with satellite technology, , [as an example] one astute submarine from just south of ascension island, or the south pole,, could destroy all Argentinean naval bases, and all ships inside, ,,they could also destroy all Argentinean air force bases,, and hopefully destroy all planes, and attack a lot of army military bases, [all before most argies get out of bed], now you tell me how you stupid people can deal with that kind of power, [and you keep pushing], the astute may not be 100% accurate,, but 99% is excepted, please think abt what you would lose, before you even knew they were hit ??
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0next question,,
#12 'as mr.negrofromUN said'
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice..... but then argentina is a racist state.
Only you think in racism; britain creates racism with slavery and aparheid.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in argentina all are welcome; specially british style guys living in peace.
britain creates racism with slavery and aparheid
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Argentina
You argies are too modest
jajaja this seems to be a justinkunz wki page; jaja nice piece of literature.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Carlos Tévez is living in England lol
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are Argentines living in England and English living in Argentina. What's the problem? Don't let the politicians ruin your day, and take it easy!
“slavery”
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you'll find that it was us who infact abolished it.
Folks, simple fact, if- heaven forbid Argentina ever was that stupid - it came down to it, the 4 Typhoons could despatch 16 enemey aircraft before the enemy even saw the Typhoons on their radars-let alone in range for their own missile syatems.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The location of key proffesional strategic Arg military units-land-sea and air - are continuously monitored by British Forces HQ. By satellite and long range radar etc as well as communicatiuons traffic.
The moment these units are spotted starting to move then buttons get pushed and within 24hours up to 20 Typhoons can be at MPA plus a battalion of troops - the kit is already here.
So Sorry Marcos and others - defences ARE strong. Submarine potential would be devastating - and ask your President - where are they all ?
Lets just hope no silly bugger causes them to be used in anger.
I guess you meant apartheid Billy (learn to type eh?), apartheid was a policy of the South African Nationalist party, decidedly not a British organisation (learn your facts eh?)
Oct 17th, 2010 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prat.
Sadly islander became a warmonger. Warmongering is at kelpers cost in Malvinas; an scalation means hurting fishing, oil & stockholders businesses.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Islander1:
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always wondered about that, do they have a full selection of war fighting kit, like mortars, arti, ect waiting for them?
I can't see any situation where Argentina can win anything in a military conflict against British forces, apart from a change of their own Government after losing.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any sneak attacks against oil installations, or fishing fleets would be an attack against International interests, not just those of the Falkland Islands, and would cause conflict, so I cannot see Argentina attacking anything; it would be political suicide for the Argentine Government.
They aren't going to.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new tactic is to try and win the islands back peacefully by trying to block the islanders from as much as they can.
Argentina can always try to load some human excrement into one of their catapults or trebuchets. They may be able to hit a post office or two! Perhaps they would also paint all their buildings with a red cross, booby trap some civilian houses or withdraw a white flag at the last minute.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason that the Islanders want the UK to protect them is that Argentina has shown that it cannot be trusted to respect the Islanders democratic wishes.
The only British that gets in here is Zethee. Argentina is only interested to solved this old dispute with diplomacy. Britain all can do are empty threats.
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is looking alone and out of touch.
So Dr.fox,the military machine remains strong in the uk...you can not say the same about the economy....
Oct 17th, 2010 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When is uk going to pay for the 9.3 trillion dollar debt,Dr. fox??
Empty threats you say Marcos? Now which branch of your government was the one screaming about a “militarisation” of the south Atlantic and the dawn of a new South Atlantic “arms race”, all because the RAF decided to have a quick test of their 30 year old SAM system?
Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For a number of years I always said that the democratic traditions of these 3 countries made coming to blows again an improbability, however with a new generation of idiotic adolescents having been spawned and infested with the same almost fanatical religious fervor as their parents did when this dispute was resurrected by Peron, I do not have alot of hope.
Here we have a generation of Malvinists who talk about the merits of democracy, but deny and argue against the same rights of recognition that they are afforded, to the Islanders, they back grandiose ideals such as “anti-colonialism” and “anti-imperialism” yet in the same breath argue crudely and insultingly, that similar action in the Islands by their country is not, they believe that they somehow won the Falklands war or at least could have, they take pride in the fact they override and denied a peaceful island community of their human rights and dignity and they still refer to and call various place names in the islands by their Junta names?
I now stand corrected.
There is a grave threat today to the existence of democracy and human rights and their feasibility to operate, and this threat comes from Argentina, not from some distant dictatorship in Africa, but from a so called democracy, if a democracy can constitutionally and deliberately steam roller small nations rights into the ground to placate its own ego, this could very well call into doubt the whole purpose of democracy and human rights, why not stop their, if it is OK for a democracy to ignore human rights and peoples existence as a separate people, based on loose historical grounds and an undemocratically self-appointed rule of inheritance from an imperial power then why stop there?
Argentina likes to posture .... but doesn't like the British posturing right back ..... still, nothing they can do. :-)
Oct 17th, 2010 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0( 27 ) Beef
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I need to react to your recurrent mentioning of bad behavior of Argentinean troops under the 1982 invasion.
I do it only because I consider you an intelligent debater and can only subscribe your onesided descriptions of negligible incidents in a War situation as sheer ignorance of the realities of combat.
I include an old but quite useful British newspaper article that could help you gain some insight about those matters:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/war-heroes-or-murderers-a-police-inquiry-must-rule-when-death-on-the-battlefield-is-a-crime-john-shirley-reports-1542024.html
Since then there have been further developments and testimonies from argentine troops about some regrettable episodes.
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consecuencias_de_la_Guerra_de_las_Malvinas#Cr.C3.ADmenes_de_guerra_contra_soldados_argentinos_en_Malvinas
Incidentally, this is the same information our “belowed” Justin Kuntz tried to edit out from the Spanish Wikipedia (and that’s why he was kicked out)
I want to state clearly that the above mentioned episodes are an integral part of War and that’s why War should be avoided at any cost.
But, I can not avoid reacting to your childish whining about troops shitting and pissing inside a building under combat and sub zero weather conditions……
Get a grip man!!
31 Hoytred ,“still, nothing they can do”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we can...
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/28/galician-falklands-fishing-fleet-complains-about-argentine-harassment-in-s.-atlantic
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/28/galician-falklands-fishing-fleet-complains-about-argentine-harassment-in-s.-atlantic
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/28/galician-falklands-fishing-fleet-complains-about-argentine-harassment-in-s.-atlantic
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/28/galician-falklands-fishing-fleet-complains-about-argentine-harassment-in-s.-atlantic
Marcos - Nope ... nothing with an ounce of real effect :-)
Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think ... you got a bad case of wind again ??
More warmongering propaganda from the British-run Mercopress
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0(it's getting really old)
True, the current fleet of fighters and interceptors in the FAA is obsolete. However, all our Fightinghawks (not Skyhawks) were recently upgraded to F16 avionics, more than enough to ruin your day if it came to it. This “Dr Fox” is talking out of his ass, Argentina would not attack, there is no need for war. (for now)
That being said, sooner or later Argentina will replace its aging fleet of supersonic aircraft, like it or not times change.
“Life is a rollercoaster” A nice song by Ronan Keating.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can always try to load some human excrement into one of their catapults or trebuchets.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0That being said, sooner or later Argentina will replace its aging fleet of supersonic aircraft, like it or not times change.
Yes the Argie boffins are well on track developing the bouncing turd,ammo no prob as the argies are full of sh*t,with more in reserve when the Royal Navy turns up
Keep looking to build wars, but they're not going to do. ” The empire is over, this is the twenty-first century are left without oil and has no economic livelihood, their banks fail and unemployment rises the planet is destroying their cities. Argentina the breadbasket of the world, capable of feeding 500 million people, and you have 2,800,000 km2 130,000 km2 haha! 70% arable generate wind, hydro, biomass. We have water of glaciers, mountains, rivers, have the aquifer. Are condemned to hell without water, without food and oil. We have all, in 10 years you will be begging! hahaha
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone supports us, China! India! Brazil! South Korea! Future Powers. England wake up to reality. The empire ended
Think! I say it is the Argentine posters on here who need to a grip. The never-ending posts about how the UK is an occupier and ignoring the Islanders democratic rights is a clear case of double standards. Let us remember that it was Argentina that was responsible for the 1982 war and it is Argentina that has decided to take a confontational stance.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0When it comes to warmongering then Argentina can not point a single finger at the UK who ejected an occupying force and preserved the wishes of the Islanders. We could has struck out at Argentina itself but didn't.
Lastly Argentine posters on these forums tend to call us aggressors due to 1833! 1833 has no relevance in 2010! If anyone can find an individual who was alive in 1833 and is still here today then give me their details as I will buy them a Club World ticket to the UK so they can present their argument.
Argentinas image in the mind of the Islanders are the direct result of Argentina's actions and Argentina's actions alone.
”Fightinghawks (not Skyhawks) were recently upgraded to F16 avionics”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0In fighting tests and mock dog fights Typhoons took on four F16's at once with no loses to the Typhoons.
Sorry, typhoon*. Just one of them.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0#38 Ron
Oct 18th, 2010 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok , so you've got all that, you just DONT NEED the Falklands!
(39) Beeef
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You do, of course, as you please…
It is just that I hate to see one of the few interesting debaters in here catering for the lowest common denominator with those Crap stories about Crapping…..
I even got a response from Islander1 where he assures me that the Crapping took place after the cease of fire!...........
Surey he went personally into that post office armed with a thermometer to establish the precise time of Crapping!……..
What a lot of Crap!
And about warmongering……
You use 2 or 3 of the nutcases in here to tell me that Argentina is warmongering….
Please refer me to any serious source that mentions or shows Argentina trapping up the military dimension of the conflict….
Then take a good look at the British press debate about guns and bombs …..
And yes…. we are escalating our economic and diplomatic offensive against the Malvinas by increasing the cost of making business with the Islands.
Will you bomb us because of that?
Lets not forget the FMA Pampa 63, a small jet originally designed as a trainer which now incorporates radar and weapon systems. How effective you think this aircraft would be against ground forces? (incredibly effective)
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.flickr.com/photos/10697960@N07/4812042992/sizes/l
England's most defining attribute: self-delusion and an enduring habit of underestimating Argentina. Keep it up lads.
Again, we don't want war because we can do nothing. ツ
@ ron
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina the breadbasket of the world, capable of feeding 500 million people
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2484061.stm
“ ... an enduring habit of underestimating Argentina....”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we keep winning by accident then ?
@38 “ the breadbasket of the world, capable of feeding 500 million people”. The way you're going, not for much longer! Napalm is such a wonderful invention.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@43 “Will you bomb us because of that?”
It's not “bomb”, sonny. It's “missile”. And the answer is: You are conducting economic warfare in breach of the UN Charter. So, yes!
@44 AT-63 Pampa
What a wonderful little aircraft. Short on range - 932 mi. Short on carrying capacity - 650 kg, but good on one point. You get to lose 2 aircrew for every one shot down.
@ ron
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stop bragging about how big Argentina is. You sound like some pathetic Afrocentrist bleating that Nigeria is bigger than Europe.
We know how much Argentina longs to extend the joys of its prosperous civilisation to the lucky Falkland Islanders. Do you think though that they might be happier if you just left them alone to live their lives on peace, and stop trying to steal their home? Your energies might be better employed sorting out the mess that is Argentina? We know it's a very big mess. Even a child knows this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/teachers/citizenship_11_14/subject_areas/human_rights/newsid_2441000/2441033.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/teachers/citizenship_11_14/subject_areas/human_rights/newsid_2441000/2441033.stm
“How effective you think this aircraft would be against ground forces?”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming by some absolute miracle it got past four typhoons it would be chewed up by either the anti aircraft destroyer in the area, or the SAM anti aircraft systems at the base.
So, not very.
Really ron I didn't realise that being the wettest country in Europe meant we will be begging for water?
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Must get contact lenses I guess, I must not have noticed the sand dunes crawling down princess street....
I think people here are taking what Dr. Fox has said out of context. He is not warmongering, like the Argentines in here are saying. He was asked a question...Does the recent MOD budget cuts affect the defence of the Falkland Islands, Dr. Fox's answer is no. He didnt go on a Twitter account and insult the Argentines with a pathetic slur (e.g. Botox Queen) and he did not try and provoke the Argentines (e.g. threaten peaceful fishing vessels). The Argentines in here are outraged by what Dr. Fox has said in answering a question. But the Argentines love the fact that Argentina's president insults an entire nation on Twitter, threatens peaceful fishing vessels, tries to deny a population its human rights, set up an economic blockade on the same small poopulation, and try everything else it can think of to distrupt the lives of 3,000 people. But god forbid, if Britain bites back, and respond in any way to Argentina's threats. Then the Argentine's dare to accuse him of waremongering! The hypocracy is just outrageous. Dont forget Argentines, 28 years ago you invaded a peaceful community and forcfully maintained it with aggression and threats, you lose all morale ground because of it. And dont you dare say “that was a junta acting on their own”, any of the Argentine commentors in here loved that fact Argentina finally possessed the Falklands, and the Falklands War was 28 years ago, around one generation ago. And all you Argentines moan about what happened in 1833! 9 generations ago! So take responsibility! But no, we cant talk about the Falklands War, because that doesnt count, it was the Junta's fault! Rubbish.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dr. Fox said the Falklands can be defended if Argentina decides to invade again. All of you agree that this wont happen again, so move on. Stop trying to find any reason to insult the British and deny the Falkland Islanders human rights, it is pathetic. We are British, until WE decide. That is final. This will not change. Get over it.
@ 51
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hear, hear
@ 51
Oct 18th, 2010 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
@Think
Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Will you bomb us because of that?” people asking this kind of question also asked this before...
We want to keep our land mr. Spanish will you kill us because of that?
We don’t want to trade opium with the Birts Will you kill us because of that?
We are Africans and like to be naked will you kill us because of that?
We Vietnamese and Korean like Russian lifestyle Will you bomb us because of that?
We Iraqis want to sell oil in Euros Will you bomb us because of that?
We Afghani want to be Talibans Will you kill and invade us because of that?
Of course they will bomb you up and they didn’t before because they fear of the consequences that’s all.
Follow your pacifist approach with any European and when they see the opportunity you will remain like the Amerindians after the Spanish colonization.
:)
@M_of_FI
But We the Sovereign and Democratic people of Argentina and Her Majestic Royal Highness Botox Queen K II don’t have any doubt of our sovereignty, right and self-determination over Argentinean overseas territories, the Islands and surrender areas.
God Save Botox Queen and the democratic people of Argentina.
:) peace flowers kisses bumbum anthrax
Nice attempt at sarcasm there Dim, you really are a tool.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AT63 Pampa is a subsonic jet training aircraft, kinda similar to the BAe Hawk, only slower, with a shorter range , a more limited potential arsenal, a slower rate of climb and a lower service ceiling.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Air Force does actually have more of these (18) than the RAF does of the newest iteration of the Hawk (the T2 - 17, with 10 more on order).
A good indication is whether or not other people are willing to buy them, the Hawk is used by Australia, Bahrain, Canada, Finland, India, Indonesia, Kenya, Kuwait, Malaysia, Oman, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, United Arab Emirates and Zimbabwe.
The Pampa, on the other hand, is used by how many air forces outside of Argentina?
#45 stick up your junta
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#48 Alexei
haha haha sorry, but that was over 8 years! This is 2010! Things have changed so much! Argentina come and know personally.
The empire is over! haha
Has been for decades ron...
Oct 18th, 2010 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0haha haha sorry, but that was over 8 years! This is 2010! Things have changed so much!
Oct 18th, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing, from Starvation to feeding 500 million people in 8 years
Malvinas Islands are part of Argentina until WE decide they're not, which will never happen. And yes, you're a bunch of warmongering clowns feeding off each other's lunacy.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Carry on...
Sure. What would you like the argie bodycount to be next time?
Oct 18th, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for proving my point.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 061 Typhoon or harrier 61, You need some mental help.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Islands are part of Argentina until WE decide they're not, which will never happen.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well lay claim to the moon while your at it
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Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Islands are part of Argentina until WE decide they're not”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The union flag still flys over the islands.
@CheGuevara
Oct 18th, 2010 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Islands are part of Argentina until WE decide they're not, which will never happen”
and we say:
The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory until WE decide they're not.
These differences cannot be reconciled so it's stalemate...
...and we Falkland Islanders are in posession in the Islands....your move pal :)
An epic debate..... Here are the facts from London (GMT).
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as I know The Falklands doesn’t really have any native occupiers. The Spanish, Americans, Argentineans and British (Falkland Islanders) have all occupied it at some point in time and there has been many a bloody conflict over the years even before the Falklands invasion of the 80`s. Therefore how can a nation claim it as their own unless they are residents?
The Falklands Islands are inhabited by around 3,000 people who wish to remain British citizens. As a result it is their land and British land as they are in procession and want British rule. It is therefore officially named The Falklands (not Malvinas) as possession is 9/10th of the law (The law being a British Law and which is enforced by The Falklands Governor).
After attacking the Islands in the 1980`s Falklands War (AKA Malvinas) you can be sure the local population would be completely against any Argentine rule which stems from the generations who experienced the war first hand and will continue that tradition & thinking way into the future. If Argentina took the Islands by force the local population would fight against their occupiers as the French did during WW1 & II. The British would also look to take the Islands back which they would feel justified & necessary at a later date after spending money on improving their task force. Conclusion: An aggressive offensive is not the way forward if you wish to retake the Islands. There has been mention of the British Empire which clearly ended along time ago, but was the most successful Empire ever. Clearly you can look at its human rights during the time as bad, but at the end of the day in those times every nation wanted the same thing (POWER), were corrupt and would have done exactly the same given the chance. I would check each country`s own human rights during that period. Since then nations have learned and moved on.
All countries are currently in recession and Britian & is are no worse of
Think- the Postal Crap - ask any of our Postal Staff at the time- they will tell you when it happened- the night after the ceasefire. Sometimes we here do actually KNOW what we are talking about!
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Higher costs of doing business here beacause of Arg actions - ? please details as not aware of any in particular? There was a hiccup in some supply prices for a month or two back in winter as we changed dropped one nation from regular sea supply and started with another - but all the time kept a third one , and now are back with the first one so actually we now trade with 3 nations in S America and no noticeable in crease in prices - some blockade!
Zethee- yes full kit is in store here, all they need. Billy - I am definatley not a warmongerer - was trying to point out the futility of it and the need for Arg hotheads to cooldown. But believe you me - every time Lay K winds it up like with her silly twitters over old fashioned short range surface-air missile routine tests, harrasses innocent fishing vessels etc - all it does is flag up warning signs in London and gives the Falklands a higher defence profile - just the ammunition the British Defence Ministry badly needs at the moment! Well do Lady K - a big “own goal” - she probably saved the new carriers from the scrapheap!
You might recall it was a Conservative Givt in Uk in 1981 that wqas going to selloff and withdraw the UK carrier fleet bu 1983 - lucky for us a stupid Arg general lost patience in April 1982 - had he waited another 12-18 months your flag could well have still been here!
Now in 2010 a new Conservative Govt(with the LibDems) announces a new round of defence Cuts again - and what does Argentina do - ratchet it up!!! Well Done - we owe you one!
Quite possibly the main reason behind the decision to keep the new carriers. Heh.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Malvinas Islands are part of Argentina until WE decide they're not”
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forgive for mentioning, where exactly is the nearest representative of Argentine authority in the islands?
The English and the Chilean is out of control lol People, you don't know how to do this. Quit trying to make sense out of nonsense. You lose every time you post a comment, people please!
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very true Islander. Very true indeed. It must always be said that our ageing V bomber fleet had been chucked on the military scrap heap before the Falkalnds war, but we still managed to get a retired/reserviced Vulcan out from Ascension to bomb the Arentina controlled runway on Stanley which was also in reach of the Argentinian main land and at the same time broke a record for the longest ranged air attack ever. Where theres a will theres a way and we dont give up easy. I saw The Vulcan flying in Norfolk UK last year and it was the star attraction. Even that one had to be brought back from the brink recently which says alot about will power. Maybe its on standby for a revival one day somewhere South.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the blockades, well its not really a respectable way to conduct business is it. Trying to starve and squeeze a nation into defeat. A nation that doesnt want their occupation.
QUESTION. Why do the Argentines posting want to occupy The Falklands? Do they plan to live their?
No londoner. As far as they are concerned it's theres and thats all that matters.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you sure xbarilox
Oct 18th, 2010 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You type the text into the comments box and press the submit comment button. JOB DONE. If you are stupid you can use spell check before posting. If you are really stupid then click on the help button and hopefully they can guide you from there. dont hold your breath though.
Well if they DONT want to live there Zethee, then what their problem? Doesnt make sense. Maybe xbarilox is right. You just cant make sense out of nonsense these days can you. Oh well, we live in hope.
Oh you just wait, you're in for a treat on this site.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's hard to make sence out of what half of them are on about, some say they just want us british to leave, others want controll over the islands. One of them wants to anthrax us.
I think the argies bloggers on here, just like all Argentineans are jealous of the Falkland islanders, and they wish they could get all the help/protection, and privileges from a kind and lovely respectable country, well all she has to do is grownup, and apply to be British, and the British would consider this request, but of course if you do not secretly wish to be British, then STOP getting jealous over the Falklands and leave them alone, go pick on the cabbage patch dolls lololol
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox shall I simplify?
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can Argentina claim and decide the status of the Falklands if Argentina has no representative of government authority on the islands, and is thus unable to pass or enforce Argentine laws on them.
the only nonsense is the delusion of possessing something except in a metaphysical state.
briton, there may be a serious issue realting to benefits here. We`ve already heard The british government is looking to cut back on excess benefits & benefit cheats. This may actually result in any potential application being rejected and that could increase tensions. Zethee has already advised us about the Anthrax threat and we dont want it getting out of hand.
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mmmm you may well have a point
Oct 18th, 2010 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh well the argies will just have to live with rejection lol
Since you asked so now I ask. What do you do on islands at a distance between the kingdom shit, and the Malvinas Islands than 12,700 KM !!!!? Eh? What the hell are you doing there? They have no excuses to explain. The Malvinas are Argentine. You are going to die on that piece of land. The Empire does not exist, it's over.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 071 Rhaurie-Craughwell
Oct 19th, 2010 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm only too happy to answer that question for you Rhaurie, her name is Fabiana Ríos, governor of Tierra Del Fuego and she is very close. Malvinas themselves don't have a governor, the islands are part of Tierra Del Fuego as are all the islands in the South Atlantic.
I hope that was clear enough for you.
Well done RON, wRONg again ... the Falkland islands belong to Britain. Now do try and concentrate :-)
Oct 19th, 2010 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0ron, you really are so far behind!
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0There has been no empire since about 1950, before you were even born!
che, the Falklands are NOT part of Tierra del Fuego (half of which you stole from Chile), they are on a separate tectonic plate you dunderhead!
Pampa? LMAO what a heap of sh1te!! Even the old Strikemaster had more bite!
I'm only too happy to answer that question for you Rhaurie, her name is Fabiana Ríos, governor of Tierra Del Fuego and she is very close. Malvinas themselves don't have a governor, the islands are part of Tierra Del Fuego as are all the islands in the South Atlantic
Oct 19th, 2010 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0When was Her last fact finding mission to Her outposts?
Easiest job in the world, governor of non-existant territories. Could only happen in Argentina.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tierra del Fuego was partly settled from the Falklands, therefore according to Argentinean logic it should belong to the Falklands. mrs Rios, you are a squatter! we'll have to rush to the UN or anyone else that will listen
Oct 19th, 2010 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Islanders,
Oct 19th, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have some unfortunate news. Owing to the criminal mismanagement of the last Labour governments, the British Armed Forces are in a very poor state. The reaction of the present Conservative/Liberal Democrat government is to cut the size and capabilities of the Forces even further.
For this reason, you will appreciate that the Falkland Islands will be in a completely different situation. You are therefore urged to make arrangements to close down businesses and bring your domestic circumstances to a point where you can leave the Islands within weeks.
It must be emphasised that there will be no possibility of return to the Islands. Once the civilian and military personnel have left the Islands the area will become a test range for British submarine-launched nuclear missiles, together with air and submarine-launched cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. Although the yield of the missile warheads will be “dialled-down” to the maximum extent, each warhead will represent approximately 1.3 kilotons. It has been determined that, once the range comes into use, the Islands will shortly become uninhabitable for a period somewhat in excess of 1000 years.
The cuts aren't as bad as everyone is going on about.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 ships, 7000 troops and 100 tanks/artillery, all of which can be remade when the budget goes back up in 10 years.
Probably lease some real estate in Nevada for the aircraft - they have the ideal climate for naturally mothballing them.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why does the 88th message seem SO consistent? Ah, it´s because is signed by an authentic colonial dino: The Tiphusarius!
Oct 19th, 2010 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 082 CheGuevara That's lovely, but really not necessary. The Falklands are well administered and do not require any additional help. Nice thought though. Perhaps the Falkland Islands Government should return the compliment to Argentina and appoint a governor of Tierra Del Fuego :)
Oct 19th, 2010 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well what can we say ??this is the best chance argentina has, in over 30 years, and guess what.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they still wont try it, [why] because the yellow paint runs deep in argentina ?
Che, You didn't answer my question, quite simply because you can't.
Oct 19th, 2010 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can your she be governor of territories outside her jurisdiction, territories where she does not have a democratic mandate to rule, territories where she has never passed legislation, and territories she has never visited?
You said early on that the current British governor was undemocratic because he is unelected, so can you tell me your governors % of the vote in the previous elections for Tierra Del fuego on the islands?
Ron.
“distance between”
-Distance is a negligible factor in todays world of high speed, just for example in the same time it takes me to fly from Brize Norton to the Islands you would barely have covered 50% of the 30 hour journey by boat from Ushia, and you're apparently closer lol :)
“What the hell are you doing there? They have no excuses to explain”
-The same excuses that allow 40 million white people to live in an area where the historical inhabitants had long dark hair and tanned skins?
“You are going to die on that piece of land”
-For once I agree with you the islanders are going to grow old and die in the place they call their home and country, now you do the world a favor and go and die prematurely.
@94
Oct 19th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“How can your she be governor of territories outside her jurisdiction, territories where she does not have a democratic mandate to rule, territories where she has never passed legislation, and territories she has never visited?”
Easy Rhaurie, just as Britain controls South Georgias and the Sandwichs. Besides you should know that for argentine legislation those territories are occupied by a foreign force, still it belongs to Argentina ergo a Governor waits and will be waiting when that force goes away.
Juan that's cloudy thinking ... we, as you say, 'control' ..... you do not!
Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the force is not going to go away ...... :-)
“still it belongs to Argentina ergo a Governor waits and will be waiting when that force goes away.”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0She's got a long wait.
“Governor waits and will be waiting when that force goes away.”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0So she's basicly paid to do...Nothing?
It's quite amusing having a governor for a place you don't govern.
Another Argie without portfolio
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.meattradenewsdaily.co.uk/news/130110/argentina___vice_president_cobos_minister_without_portfolio.aspx
haha Juan, another classic Malvinism, ask a question and you never get an answer, just the same regurgitation of the official line :)
Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked, how can your governor be governor of territories she has never visited, never stood for election in and never won an election in?
Answer she can't :) lol simple as that, she only has the democratic mandate to rule where people have elected her, and in administrative boundaries defined as Argentina.
Since the afor mentioned territories have never elected her, let alone glanced their self appointed ruler, she therefore cannot govern or pass legislation since these lands are out of her jurisdiction, they are therefore out side of the Argentine state.
ergo they cannot be Argentine, they only place they do exist as part of the Argentine state is on of maps, but not in reallity.
To posses something, one must have a representation of state authority on that land, even the Palestinians have state authority on what otherwise Israel calls it own?
So thus how can Argentina rule in areas where there are no:
1. Argentine government institutions.
2. Methods for raising federal or Provincial taxes.
3. Argentine law enforcement mechanisms.
4. Representatives of the Federal Government.
5. Military or paramilitary forces guaranteeing the sovereignty and borders of this oh so sacred piece of the Argentine state?
I think there are about 150 skeletons at Darwin, and some rusting wrecks here and there and rather lot of lot of weapons being used as garden ornaments by Islanders, but I think that is the limit of Argentine authority.
So your governor can keep her little hobbies of pretending to be a democratically elected ruler in those territories, it obviously keeps her occupied :)
And you can keep your little maps showing the sacred fabled lands of Isles Malvinas as yours, as long as it keeps you happy and so long as that is the extent of Argentine claims, no more than an A4 sheet of paper!
Delusion is a key feature of Malvinism!
Speaking of women, I note that Maggie is in hospital,some say with food poisoning.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I reckon if thats the case she must have bitten her own tongue!!
“So she's basicly paid to do...Nothing?”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She's paid to govern the province of Tierra del Fuego and to make all the connections possible with Malvinas.
As for westis I can tell you that we are amazingly patient, more than we could ever imagine. Isn't it awkward that 177 of U.K administration have passed and Malvinas still is a disputed territory you seem to be so cocky of yourselves, but let's be clear you don't even exist. The whole world knows you're a colony, THAT'S REALITY, everyone knows but none says a thing because it's U.K. It's not Malvinas nor Falklands it's Argentina vs U.K.
No, it's not awkward Juanweather. You Argies stopped the dispute in 1850, when you signed the Convention of Settlement. It was you guys who started the dispute again in the 1940s, but this time on a much shakier basis - which is why they are not yours yet and are unlikely to ever be. You'd better get used to that. In the long term I predict either British sovereignty or full independence for the Falklands. Argentine sovereignty is possible but VERY unlikely - you almost had it in your grasp but then you guys cocked it up in 1982. Doesn't that make you feel awkward?
Oct 20th, 2010 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for westis I can tell you that we are amazingly patient
Oct 20th, 2010 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will need to be,anyway being impulsive got you a slap
“The whole world knows you're a colony”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Decolonisation was set up for colonys who wanted independance, not to force it or other governments onto the colonists.
Self determination goes both ways.
Something to critize the K government is the slow recovering of the army industry. We have the capability to build a 500 km - 700 Km range missile and place it in Río Gallegos to be prepared just in case these SOB pirates try to use their stupid Typhoons they can't sell right now.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't need more than four or five misiles to reach Pto Argentino or Mount Pleasant base and erase them from the map in case they try to cross the line. They should show more respect!!!
They should show more respect!!!
Oct 20th, 2010 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exit stage left
bravo Jorge
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321873/DEFENCE-REVIEW-Cameron-confirms-MoD-budget-slashed-8-cent.html
Oct 20th, 2010 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess no more Royal craps, no more stealing/robbing other nations resources, and no more colonization for these Brits.
Yeah i wouldn't get too excited Marcos. 8% over 10 years isn't a lot.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we all know the news.
Well if you ask anybody of the 500000 that will lose their jobs will tell you that is a lot.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you know full well Morpuss, the half a million job losses are coming from the public sector, not the armed forces.
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jorgelito - respect has to be earned !
I love the title of this article “Argentina warned: Falklands’ defences remain strong and we are broke”
Oct 20th, 2010 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0111 Hoytred
Oct 21st, 2010 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As you know full well Morpuss, the half a million job losses are coming from the public sector, not the armed forces.”
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316672
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316672
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316672
It is likely, however, that the work of this deterrent forces are affected by the impact of cuts in other defense areas, such as reducing the number of destroyers (24 to 19), the closure of several bases Royal Air Force, the dismissal of 25,000 civilian employees, 7000 soldiers and army officers, 5000 members of the air force and another 5000 soldiers of the army. The total staff in the forced retirement could reach 42,000.
About the title of this article “Argentina warned: Falklands’ defences remain strong”. No doubt, and with this kind of soldiers... worse.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316672
In your dreams :-)
Oct 21st, 2010 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even with these spending cuts, the UK remains in the top 5 strongest military forces in the world, the top 5 spenders on military forces and research and development and 1 of only 5 countries with a blue water navy. 2 of the other 4 countries (the US and France) in the top 5 are long-term allies of the UK and the strategic defence review looks like forging even closer links with 1 of them (France).
Oct 21st, 2010 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like to take a guess where Argentina fits into these world rankings, even with its recent pledge to increse defence spending?...Barely scrapes into the top 50.
www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1316672
Oct 21st, 2010 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.publico.es/internacional/342390/londres-se-quedara-con-dos-portaaviones-que-no-necesita
www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/oct/19/defence-review-cuts-list
With just see this white is becoming more true to what I said. The empire is over!
Where is the Imperial power that can not keep his army? hahaha
They are pathetic!
The small islands of the North Atlantic are consuming.
English all of you are rotting!
And The Malvinas Islands are Argentinas!
Well done wRONg ... strung a few words together, but fair enough .... if the islands are Argentine .... take them :-)
Oct 21st, 2010 - 05:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I love the title of this article “Argentina warned: Falklands’ defences remain strong and we are broke””
Oct 21st, 2010 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love how we can be both broke and richer than you.
Hey ron, what are the three colours of the argie flag?
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Cadaf
Oct 21st, 2010 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't know but these Crazy Spanish seem to take approach of Britain weakness to take over Gibraltar.
“entonces debemos de aprovechar el bajon de los britanicos,para recuperar a gibrlatar...hay que llamar al bigotes...ya que tiene expriencia con lo del perejil”
“ ... the plans to remove the buoys were subject to UK approval and supervised throughout by the Royal Navy's Gibraltar squadron.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Neither the University of Cadiz nor the Spanish Navy requested permission for the original operation on September 21, but arrangements for removal were confirmed with the Spanish Government and were subject to the UK's approval,“ said a spokesman adding that a key role of the Royal Navy in Gibraltar is to uphold British sovereignty over British Gibraltar Territorial Waters. ”
He said the navy actively polices these waters and takes all incursions seriously. “They will continue to deal with any incidents in an appropriate manner......”
“ ... PP MP José Ignacio Landaluce has already said he will take the buoys issue to the Congreso in Madrid and demand an explanation .... ”
http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=20288
Well done NiceButDim .... wrong again! :-)
it seems just as britain starts to cut back, the maggots all come out
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina/spain/who;s next. wioth vermin like these sneaking about.
no one can be trusted,
@Hoy tired ruined and more poor
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What’s wrong with you mate?
Have you lost completely your sense of humor?
I took this from the Spanish post with the avatar of Ernesto Guevara Lynch AKA “él Che” the Argie that with Fidel Castro took part in the revolution in Cuba and in part of Africa, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara
If you would try to learn a little bit of Spanish your life will be much funny.
: )
if we learnt Spanish, we might pick up bad habits. like invading the Falklands, illegally
Oct 21st, 2010 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That habit you have already learnt from the English.
Oct 21st, 2010 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't be worse? can you?
Can't be worse? can you?
Oct 21st, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could be if we killed thousands of our own people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_War
@Sticky
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You did mate in the Ulster do you remember?
And Videla’s Style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JO0iMjuZK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JO0iMjuZK4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JO0iMjuZK4
Come on mate
“ ...Time and again Britain has been badly misjudged. Napoleon derided it as a “nation of shopkeepers.” Adolf Hitler was sure it would knuckle under after Dunkirk. The Argentines were sure it would readily cede the Falkland Islands. And Saddam Hussein never gave it a thought. All of them lost their wars with Britain.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The British defense review, announced this week, has given critics an opportunity to misjudge the U.K. again, and many have made the most of it. But even if the cuts are carried out in full, Britain will still be a major military power. ...”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-21/hitler-s-nemesis-still-carries-a-big-stick-commentary-by-theodore-bromund.html
Usual crap from NicebutDim I see :-)
Coitred, The article that you posted above also says:
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The result was that, by 2010, Britain was close to becoming a second Greece”
Well spotted, Morecrap ... 'was' being a past tense !
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any other article that you wish to post and make a fool of yourself?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a 50/50 operation Morecrap - I post, you do the rest:-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0127 NicoDin
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Between 1969 and 2001, 3,526 people were killed as a result of the Troubles.[110]
Approximately 60% of the dead were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by British security forces.
Responsibility for killing[111]
Responsible party No.
Republican paramilitary groups 2057
Loyalist paramilitary groups 1019
British security forces 363
Persons unknown 82
Irish security forces 5
Total 3526
And not one thrown out of a helicopter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA
All this 'Britain is broke, jajajaja' crap means nothing if you don't have the stones to act on it, so all you big talking Argies think the defence of the Falklands has been compromised by the UK defence cuts...OK then, Bring it on, if you've got the means and the guts....if not then all your brave talk means nothing, I'll send you all a nice white feather.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anybody that has followed my posts in here knows that I am not the “Military Mean Machine” best friend…
But all this warmongering makes me wish to be ironic… even sarcastic….
The British authorities know absolutely, perfectly, wholly, utterly and completely well that the chance of any Argentinean military action against our beloved Malvinas equals ZERO.
And that’s why they are sooooo relaxed…..
Don’t you believe me?
Let’s take those “State of the Art” Eurofighter Typhoons as THE perfect example….......
Not only that they supposedly can not land in foggy condition (Good excuse, the pilot’s Centolla at Punta Arenas was excellent I assume :-)
It has been recently revealed in the UK that this 4th generation fighter can and does not operate in Afghanistan because of DUST :-)
And then…… Just the other day…... Reportedly, the whole Typhoon pilot staff on the Islands was observed in a totally disabled state produced by the ingestion of large quantities of ethylic beverages at the Upland Goose's Pub :-)
Hell man… it was a Friday!!!
I wonder if they radioed to their Argentinean uniformed mates asking for “Permission to Party” :-)
I love it how individuals posts on a small news site is “warmongering”, very flattering to think we have such influence, I thought I was merely being insulting.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some useful info for our British “Malvinas” “Top Guns”
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dft.gov.uk/think/focusareas/driving/drinkdriving
Quoting:
“THINK! strategy for drink flying
The THINK! strategy for drink flying is to remind all combat pilots of the personal consequences of drink flying, and that a drink flying conviction can ruin your life.
Our campaigns focus on the 'moment of doubt' around the 10th pint, when combat pilots are considering whether or not to have another drink.
Our work with partners in the pub environment takes a different approach.
It aims to improve the night of designated combat pilots by providing them with soft drink offers and other benefits during their night out.
Think 135,
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m still laughing with your IRONy. (and the jolly jumper sunset ride) :-)
Getting serious:
“The British authorities know absolutely, perfectly, wholly, utterly and completely well that the chance of any Argentinean military action against our beloved Malvinas equals ZERO.”
Having read some debates (during my farming wasted time :-) ) ...why the Argentina point seems so functional to cuts-oppositors like that Harrier pilot (mutiny at the RN?): they picture us as blood-thirsty-ready-to-jump-enemy.
It sounds “too much” and smells “very feíto”. :-)
I´d expect in the near future attempts to escalate anything they could...as the foggy overflight.
Regards
Let them come......those hijos de Incalaperra:-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vers 11
I'm the bull in my own herd and a braver bull in the next one;
I always thought I was pretty good, and if anyone else wants to try me
let them come out and sing and we'll see who comes off worst.
Vers 18
And whoever may be listening to the tale of my sorrows
know that I never fight nor kill except when it has to be done,
and that only injustice threw me into so much adversity.
Martin Iron(y)
J. Hernandez
Some useful info for British tourists thinking of driving in Argentina
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=38693
”Her army and her navy
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England shall cast aside;
Soldiers and ships are costly things,
Defence an empty pride ...
Argentina warned: “Falklands’ defences remain strong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAORNh9vo68
Never tire of watching
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLzDC6bLPE
Never tire of watching
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8079960/HMS-Astute-worlds-most-advanced-nuclear-submarine-runs-aground.html
”And then…… Just the other day…... Reportedly, the whole Typhoon pilot staff on the Islands was observed in a totally disabled state produced by the ingestion of large quantities of ethylic beverages at the Upland Goose's Pub :-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hell man… it was a Friday!!!”
Reportedly? scoff...
If you're going to make stuff up think then at least try to refer to a pub that exists, for your information the Upland Goose has been converted into houses and has not operated as a hotel and bar for several years so it's not possible that any Typhoon pilots have had a drink there. You'd have had some (a tiny bit of anyway) plausability if you'd refered to the Globe Bar or Deano's.
I guess your information about the Falklands is as out of date as your opinion.
Never tire of reading
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_Santa_Fe_(S-21)
(144) Westi
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes......Reportedly........ by a British reporter........ on a British Newspaper ..... Yesterday....
“And I'm reliably informed by soldiers who have recently served in the South Atlantic that, if the Argentines chose to attack late on a Friday night, they would find the islands relatively undefended, as that is when the fighter pilots like to let their hair down in the bar of the Upland Goose Hotel.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/concoughlin/8079008/Defence-review-These-cuts-leave-us-vulnerable-to-our-enemies-around-the-world.html
Anyhow, it is very commendable that you are vigilant and pinpoint the “errors” incurred by your own “Reporting British Press.”
I don’t make stuff up…. We have the British press for that :-)
And……You don’t really “think” that I would disclose any information gathered through our intelligence apparatus on the Islands in this forum? ....Do you?
By the way…. I always thought it was a shame they closed the Upland Goose….. Hope somebody will “resuscitate” that nice name in the future…..
I stand corrected Think, you can leave the court without a stain on your character. However the non-existant pub still means the story is bollocks, “reliably informed” my arse, half apocryphal and half made up more like.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and regarding your “information gathered through our intelligence apparatus”.....get a grip man.
'Intelligence apparatus'.....? Where did that come from, Think? No-one mentioned it until you did; letting your mask slip a bit there!
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the moral of this story is not to believe everything you read in the papers, and especially not British ones. The British press is highly politicised and you need a fairly finely tuned bullshit detector to make any sense of it at all.
Can´t enjoy a joke well-prepared on a realistic base?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, somebody here has mentioned MI6 increased his work in Argentina. Remember that is illegal to do that.
THIMC
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraphrasing the title of this article:
I warned you at (135) that all the warmongering in this thread gave me a strong desire the right and be… “Sarcastic”
Then, I vaguely remembered some loose insinuations about “Mr. Think” being on the payroll of the Argentinean government…..
Therefore the Joke about our “Intelligence Apparatus”………..
I’m 100% positive that your security clearance procedures in respect of foreign personnel are “Non Plus Ultra” and based in the most modern biometric methods.
As every Islander knows, of course, everybody in South America hates Argentineans….. Especially Chileans….The “double-hate us….. Right?
Even half blood Chilean hate Argentineans so much that they would gladly sacrifice their own lives to protect the Islanders right to become millionaires in a jiffy with South American Oil.
Nestor Kirchner… That half Chilean from Punta Arenas would be the perfect example of that…
Don’t you think?
If you ask me... :-)
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nooooo... Not You :-)))
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South American Oil?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thought they were stealing Argentine Resources
Stinky, keep quiet, you compromise the “We are not Pirates”-argument with your interventions.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think.....I know you were joking, as does Monty69....it just wasn't amusing, that's why I told you to get a grip and that's the reason for Monty's ironical reply, I know this isn't your first language but do try to keep up.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are two kinds of men in this world, just two,
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0one who does it, and one who just brags about it,
;likewise countries]
there are two kinds of countries in the world today,
one who does it.
and the other just brags about it.
now, our enemies ’s know which one we are
and the whole bloody world knows which on ARGENTINA IS ??
(156) briton
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you bragging?
(155) Westi
And you can’t stop subestimating those poor ignorant brainwashed Argentineans huhhh?
Was I ”joking” then?
Am I ”joking” now?
Are you sure Monty69 understood it as a ”joke”?
Did you ”Think” that that British journalist’s ”Upland Goose gaffe” just ”escaped” somehow my attention in the first place?
Did Freddie Starr eat her ”Hamster”?
just thinking,,just thinking
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A wee clue for you think, asking increasingly random and meaningless questions is not funny, it's not sarcasm, it's not irony and it does not conceal the fact that you posted that extract from a dumb torygraph article as some sort of useful fact, you've made youself look stupid, so next time...think!
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feeling good again?
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines are stupid.
The World is flat.
And Malvinas are the center of the universe :-)
Always feel good think, it's the satisfaction of living out here on the Falklands under the good ol' union jack that does it, you should try it sometime.
Oct 22nd, 2010 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway regarding your points above:
1. Yes thanks.
2. Indeed....
3. ....and there's your proof
4. They certainly seem to be from the Argentine perspective.
Well....... No surprisein that Turnip.................
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had a few too many jars last night think? you seem a bit off form.
Oct 23rd, 2010 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Utter crap, aircrew on alert aren't allowed to drink for 24 hrs. There are more than 4 pilots in Mount Pleasant.
Oct 24th, 2010 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And Malvinas are the center of the universe ”
Oct 24th, 2010 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No.
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