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Argentine aborigine children die of malnutrition and poor sanitary conditions
An Argentine incumbent governor from the northern province of Salta admitted in a television interview that at least five children died of malnutrition last year and so far this year another case has been registered. Cases involve mostly the indigenous population. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesMalnutrition - this is a shocking revelation in the 21st Century. Argentina needs to start looking after its own at home, and provide for and protect their aboriginal lands and the people who are more entitled to those lands than the implanted populations from recent times. CFK could easily donate her annual salary to avert the long-standing suffering of those people - “her people” - and shed some of the wardrobe expenses to a humankind cause.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought Argentina was a land of prosperity where such things did not happen. After all we are constantly told how Argentina is a food producers paradise.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to many Argie posters the UK is a basket case destined to a future of poverty and hardship. Well at least we do not turn people away from our hospitals and we provide a level of welfare to catch those who fall.
Argentina needs to deal with it's domestic problems as a priority (like any nation should {including the UK}). A first step would be to allocate more time at the highest level and stop the ineffective symbolic guesturing over the Falkland Islands.
argentina population is not implanted. more than 20 indiginuos lived here when in 1500 arrived the spanish people. They killed some of them, not all(our territorie is 1.600.000km2 and they lived in very inhospited places), they came here for the silver (thats we are call argentina, silver in latin language) and they need them to send them to the mines. And they came here without wifes so they mix from the very beginning, in what was called mestizo (mix of european with indiginuos). There were mulatos, criollos, etc. Learn more reading about argentina.gov.ar population. Immigration came in 1880, from europe because of secon world war, they continue mixing with the people that was already living here, they didnt kill anybody and they settled more in Buenos Aires...so we are mixed people since 1500. What about you???? Arent you having inbred problems since for more than a century you are only 2000 and and watch all british??? arent you having any problems in your population thar you are worrying about ours??Watch www.mhsg.co.fk and www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/jbiog/2005/00000032/00000004/art00009 interesting
Feb 06th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“A first step would be to allocate more time at the highest level and stop the ineffective symbolic guesturing over the Falkland Islands.”
Feb 06th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, that will solve the malnutrition issue.
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Feb 06th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Feb 06th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well what are you going to do about it bigmouth, it's happening in your country which is purported to be the breadbasket of South America, stop whining and get your bloody act together you useless buggers.
the indiginuos people that still lives here are protected by law in our constitution that nobody cant take their lands(benneton bought some lands here and were indiginuos living there, he wants to send them away but he cant). they live in poverty conditions because they have other culture that they dont want to leave and they are forgotten by goverments. and we are still mixing, because we have open frontiers so many people from countries neer us are coming to live here. The ones that doesnt mix is you , the implanted population is only yours
Feb 06th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THIMC
Feb 06th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it can be inferred from the text of the above article, this serious problem has the full attention of the current Government, the Press, the Ngo’s and the population in general.
We have still a long way to go, .....but compared with the “dictatorial” 60’s and 70’s or the “neoliberal” 80’s and 90’s; the last eight years have been ones of unbelievable progress for the inclusion and protection of the poorest people of my society.
However;…………once again………………
MercoPress serves its Anglo readers the fresh carcasses of some dead Argentinean children (preferably indigenous) to let the British vultures “shine their feathers” commenting about their “moral superiority”…….
I find especially annoying the comments from the likes of “Mr. Beef” a poster who portrays himself as a caring humanist, an academic and a person with knowledge about the British National Health Service.
You “Mr. Beef” know perfectly that every time a 0,1% budget cut is approved on the NHS it means, directly or indirectly, tens, if not hundreds, of patients suffering an avoidable or premature dead.
Those are extremely cynical political and administrative decisions that are much more deplorable than the conjunctural misery of the poor in development countries
Do me a favor………………………
Stop using dead South-American children to justify your new Jaguar in your garage.
Moral Bankruptcy Anybody?
#6, we are open to new ideas how to fight poverty from all corners of our Republic, including Malvinas.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also think falklandlad that colonilism in 21st century is a shocking revelation.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and we in south america have poverty but you are having your own problems, lets say violence for ex. in europe. nobody is better here. everybody has its own problems.
”However;…………once again………………
Feb 06th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MercoPress serves its Anglo readers the fresh carcasses of some dead Argentinean children (preferably indigenous) to let the British vultures “shine their feathers” commenting about their “moral superiority”“
I'm in complete agreement. Mercopress selects which news pieces it will publish and how it will present them. The texts are often written in a way so as to provoke a reaction of contempt by British posters - as well as a certain American one - who barely conceal their pleasure in another country's shortcomings by making paternalistic and condescending speeches or otherwise posing as ”civilized” and morally superior.
im not morally superior but i am an intelligent girl you can answer the questions i made if you can
Feb 06th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, I am not using these unfortunate events to justify any personal gains. I just find it amazing that I constantly hear that I (as a UK resident) am doomed and that Argentina is the way forward.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK NHS is an amazing institution (worlds 3rd largest employer) and has been responsible for some of the greatest medical advances in the world. Having worked in the NHS before moving to academia I found it unbelievable that a patient in need was turned away from hospital.
I can answer part of your questions. We do mix and a substantial part of our population is of Chilean or St Helenian origin, with many other nationalities represented in a lesser way.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sady, the actions of the Argentine government seem likely to make this process much more difficult in the future.
thanks for the medical advances. On the other hand you are participating in Afghanistan war, and tell me how many innocents civilians are killed by militars mistakes every day? I dont eat glass you know. And Monty dont critice argentina for the problems of the malvinas, you dont sit to talk about sovereignity because you don t have arguments, you dont want to negotiate.i think you are taking chileans to work, not to much to mix.little mix anyway in 178 years. i came here casually because im having un desgarro muscular, and i am with ice in my leg. and i couldnt stop answering falklandlad... thats all im not here to fight with people. im giving my point
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Listen to yourselves you lot....all you need to do is give people so food or a bit of money to buy food....how hard can it be for a country with your resources?
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British posters work really hard haha
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 015 malen
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'i think you are taking chileans to work, not to much to mix.'
You can't expect to give your point and not have people answer you, especially if you are giving a point of view about something that you don't know much about. I don't agree with you in the above point. I have some very good Chilean friends, and the idea that we see them just as labour is quite offensive. If there was no immigration then inbreeding would be a problem, but it just isn't true.
I don't want to talk about sovereignty either. We have it and you don't. I can't see how we would get anything but misery out of negotiation.
And I'll blame Argentina if they deserve it. You blockade us, we complain.You aren't going to stop that by disclaiming responsibility.
I don't much care for fighting either, but I will respond if someone posts something that isn't true.
(13) Beef
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”I just find it amazing that I constantly hear that I (as a UK resident) am doomed and that Argentina is the way forward”
I say:
Who is telling you that?
Turnips like ”I” , ”Jorge” or ”Xbarilox”?
Hardly serious challengers to your “intellect” Sir!
Unless you choose them to be………………………................................
You say:
”The UK NHS is an amazing institution (worlds 3rd largest employer) and has been responsible for some of the greatest medical advances in the world”
I say:
I fully agree……….....................................
I have my whole life envied, admired and wished something similar for my Country.
We are slowly climbing up to your heights but I can see that, in worryingly many instances, you are slowly crawling down to our depths……
Monty read this article its time to talk about the falklands. grace livingstone the guardian. there are people english ones that dont agree with you. can you probe all what you say???
Feb 06th, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - I would love nothing more than to see the kind of healthcare system the UK (and Cuba - who do a fine job considering the difficulties they face with the embargo) enjoys in every country (including USA - see Micheal Moore's Siko if you want to see why).
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is not from a purely altruistic perspective either. A high quality social healthcare system is an investment in a country's workforce and enables people to make their own way out of poverty.
Regarding the direction of the UK. I do not support the current coalition gvt and certainly not their policy on the NHS.
I will take your advice (and I do respect your posts) and ignore your Turnips from now on.
Cristina the kirchner will be executed for this is there was a man with balls in this country. I wonder why a jackass like #19 who calls himself a communist (UNSTOPPABLE LAUGHS) believe that a man like el Che would do to greedy thieves like Cristina and Urtubey for this. Cristina's a stuck up cow who only cares 'bout money, and she's drowning in her own feces, and even with thousands of people giving her a helping hand, she's lost. Perhaps el señorito Urtubey who's always looking like he is something special and superior, and Cristina, who is a millionaire too, should start by giving a big part of their wealth to the people of Argentina.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0barilo cristina did sth very important to democracy, you know what??? all militars that in dictatorship made violation of human rights are in jail. In 1983 they put in jail first mands to pacificate the country, in 2000 she open these cases because humans rights violation never prescribe, and seconds and thirds mands are being judged. thats important because a democracy without justice is not democracy and militars should learn they cant do what they want they are under the law and constitution of a republic an pacific country. nestor and cristina have real balls.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again Argentina tries to defend the indefensible
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, in the past, bloggers who have condoned the innocent deaths of brits and other clearing mines, they laugh and thought it fun, wishing the British would just drop dead, now they try to defend starving children, by moving the topic back to the Falklands and other places, in the uk, we call this
[the pot calling the kettle black], the way I see it, no innocent people in this day and age should die of starvation and or lack of water, billions is given each year, yet some cant have a glass of clean water, perhaps, greed and corruption may well be partly to blame, as for Argentina, at this point in time, they should forget the Falklands and leave them alone, they should concentrate on the problem they have at home, don’t worry what others may say, for no one can condemn them for trying, if they try so solve the internal problems and issue that they have and face, they may well come out better and prouder, your own people are more important that the Falklands, [yes] the British to have problems, and so does most of the world, we also are trying to solve things, but are always distracted by Argentina’s aggression against the Falklands, so may I suggest they get their act together, solve poverty and stop these people starving, and get on with the future, one day they too, may gat a NHS like we have, forget the Falklands let them live in peace, the world will much admire you for doing the right thing, Argentina is better that this, joking aside we are all for friendly rivalries
but we will never condone the deaths of innocent people, so go forth Argentina and solve your problems, and leave the Falklands to us, good luck
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#17 you can always count on Europids to not rest while childly obsessed with a new trend or dealing with cronic paranoia, I say give it time they will eventually grow out of it, the important thing to remember here is that, Argentina needs to have higher “TAXES” for all exported raw materials, and imported finished products, unless we want Buenos Aires to end up like Cairo or Alexandria, Yemen or Tunisia, lucky for us and Chinese people the Europids are busy with Muslims.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we should be working just as hard as europids on getting a nuclear defence program to send the clear message that we are not going to tolerate BS, and make THEM invest....
Malen
Feb 06th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice with some fresh young opinions…………..
Malen…...a canta el tango como ninguna y en cada verso pone su corazon :-)
Saludos
El Think
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Feb 06th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you cannot read then XBOX
Feb 06th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i was defending them silly, and not including you bloggers , who are you to say what happens,
besides you don’t like it when the shoes on the other foot do you.
so i suggest you keep quiet, and should be ashamed of yourself for even implying others wise, the pot calling the kettle black apply to anyone that defends what has happened, including you, so reply with sense or shut up,
we to can be offensive as well as you who condone murder, GET IT
28 I don't like it because of that, I'm in my own shoes, I don't wear other people's shoes, as you can see, they don't like me at all just because of that. That makes me different from you, you need all of these supporters. So you keep trying, I won't change my mind, I don't need all these spoiled Kirchnerists to defend me or be friends with me. Like that bastard #26 who believes he's smart and a good person, trying to sound funny, but he can't say anything about these daying people because he doesn't care, if he was saying something it will cause him his own life, because of the high levels of his hypocrisy, he will get poisoned by his own saliva and cowardice. You keep saying what you want, sadly you are no different from Cristina de Kirchner, you have the same mental issues as she does.
Feb 06th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And NO YOU KEEP QUIET AND GET YOURSELF TOGETHER.
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Feb 06th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks think. malena canta el tango, yes
Feb 06th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there are many trying to find some probes to all what they say
i am not offensive with the chileans, working in other country is not offensive, my brother worked in chile 2 yearsand many chileans are working as guide tourists in the south of our country too for ex. and is not offensive in any way. these is very common in this region immigration is very common in south america for betters jobs. and im not a lier. barilo i respet you but i dont think like you and im also in desagree with many things of this government too, believe me.
bla bla bla cjd .
Feb 06th, 2011 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And I thought THINK was one of you, are you saying that he may be a brits mole, ,, and if others do not like you that’s not my fault, and Christina again she is your leader is she not, I thought all you argies were friends and worked together on here, it seems you do not, poor old think, do you think he thinks them same about you perhaps, oh I don’t know, hate distrust ,spit fullness, lunatic asylums, what is this world coming to xbox
perhaps you have different ideas about the future of Argentina, perhaps to enlighten us , would see a different view perhaps ?
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hey briton being mix brings these problems?? but yes we all agree that malvinas are argentines and we can probe it.what about you??
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0you may probe the malvinas as much as you like old boy,
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0but the fact is, the falklands are british, they were british long before i was born, and will be british long after all of us have passed on, surley with all the logic of an ice cream, argentina has more importent things to do,
you just cant have what you just dont own,,, thanks .
i really dont care about your opinions really thanks
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0typical argie then or whatever you may be, if you cant put up a decent or convincing argument then you are not interested,
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0[I don’t care about your opinion] guess what, we don’t care about your opinion either, so like the rest of anti British and Falkland bloggers, you all have nothing to say, nothing at all, come back tomorrow after you have rested your brains, THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH, that’s not an opinion, that’s a FACT, goodnight .
its stupid discussing with a stupid believe me
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's what we think, hence no discussions and no negotiations.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said yourself that you already know what you think,so there isn't any point, is there?
Unlikely those childern are the exception that confirms the rule.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 hear hear Monty, IMO we should just stick to insulting each other, from time to time you you do get naive, egotistical commentators on here who really think they can make a difference (like malen for instance), they soon learn.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are not going to discuss nothing till you get all the oil (and a portion of antartida,lets see this it is unbelieveble your ambitions). you ve been waiting for it for more than a hundred years. about the blockade we cant use malvinas waters, why should we let you use our waters, you have many water all around to travel and you dont need argentina you dont like argentina what for??? . And if your medical care is so efficient and advanced you should have in the islands a medical emergency care, dont use hospitals of the region that are for the poor people of south america. and yes its difficult to agree because points of views are very i dont know how to say it in english but you understand and also because thereare many hate feelings in the middle and this is true from both sides reading some posts here. nobody wants to loose thats the problem too.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't use hospitals that are for the 'poor people of South America' Malen, if our medical dept need to send patients to South America they go to a private hospital in Santiago and their care is paid for by the Falkland Islands Government, hardly taking up resources from the 'poor' is it?
Feb 07th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0we are on the third world here you know undevelopment region it is said. dont you know that??
Feb 07th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 041 malen
Feb 07th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0This isn't about the oil. Or at least it isn't for us. We'll still be here whether oil is found or not, and that's because it's our home. Our ambition is to have a sustainable future and nothing else. All you are doing is making it more difficult and making us more dependent on the UK, but you aren't going to make any difference in the end.
its the risk of choosing being a british colonia in south america ....you dont want to talk nothing sistematically, you say its a fact, and thats all, so face it. Im not stupid to think i can make a difference in a post of a forum. but falklandlad me saco de las casillas!!! jajaja there are international institutions for that diplomatics working . sustainable future but for that we arent going to take some lands in the uk for the poverty of south america why not?? youre so worried
Feb 07th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0what a pity, malen, that you can't have the Falklands. but you see, they are not yours, they are ours. we live here, why should we discuss the sovereignty of our country? would you discuss the sovereignty of yours?
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he is not interested in your opinion, he is only interested in his own opinion, and only his opnion counts, like most argie bloggers the truth just dont exist, you just cant talk to them, they just dont understand that the only people that try to take what they dont own are thieves, argentina take note,
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hey isolde probe that the sovereignity is yours if it is why dont you sit to discuss??? come on. Argentina is a land of the indiginuos and spanish descendents. My mother has a grand gran mother indiginuos and my father european descendance.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you are here for the oil if not, dont send maritime platforms, the penguins will much appreciate it
have you stolen a record plays, if so the bloody records stuck
Feb 07th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
“we are on the third world here you know undevelopment region it is said. dont you know that??”
Feb 07th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Santiago dooesn't look much like third world to me Maren. Anyway do you really believe that it's not having the resources of the Falklands that has caused Argentina to be in such a poor state? Wake up pal, With your legitimate resources Argentina should be one of the richest, most prosperous countries in the world, as I said before...get your bloody act together.
and as you need to have (asegurarse) a sustaintable future, we have to give you some of our legitime argentine resources? you cant probe sovereignity, we can but we cant discuss it because the you dont want.
Feb 07th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0argentina as all the countries of the region are countries of contrasts, i ve been in santiago san pablo rio asuncion macchu picchu bolivia etc. and get your bloody act together, i dont understand what it means but just in case im tellingyou: que te recontra y me importa un comino. i dont take this comments as personnals.
#36 that is right britsih Illegal aliens in Malvinas Argentina can't deside on our islands, get a green card or GTFO get your facts right UN doesn't think Malvinas Argentina is a country and I checked, nop there is no country by that name..
Feb 07th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#48 there is not fakland island country there is only a pirat british company by that name, there is a Islas Malvinas Argentine wich is a real place illegaly occupyed by britich sqatters.
#50 no I checked the brits alway came to steal our wealth and today Malvinas problems aren't any different, you people still the same cowards and filthy pirats, the pest in Malvinas ARgentine will only undestand when we get nuclear weapons defence progra, like N Korea got, maybe N Korea can trade us nukes for food, that way everyone is happy including the war monger in UK.
@briton
Feb 07th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you be so ignorant mate?
Argentina has the size close to Western Europe to start with only 10% of its population.
90% of the population live in Urban Areas (cities) comparable urbanization with UK
Have you any Idea about the complexity, costly and organization you need to run a country like this?
I guess you mates have not idea, well think in a country manage from London with half of the population living there (30m) and the rest of the 30 Brits disseminates in a mass of land like Western Europe.
So by using the case of an aborigine death in the middle of the jungle to make your point about standard of living in Argentina is very pathetic and sily.
But what about this:
“The Conservatives have published figures about the number of people who die from malnutrition in British hospitals every year.
Figures obtained by the Conservative show more than 240 people lose their lives because of malnutrition each year.
Over the last decade more than 2,300 people have died from malnutrition while in the care of the nation’s hospitals.... the number soared to 2,656 people between 1997 and 2007”
http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-new-in-nursing/acute-care/conservatives-publish-figures-on-hospital-malnutrition-deaths/5000370.article
And this is in area like Buenos Aires.
But what about if we compare with some part of the commonwealth?
2 million people dies by malnutrition in the British overseas territories. Wow that is really a lot. Doesn’t it?
Well we can see here that you are less efficient than us to run a huge administration.
Have you ever thought about that?
Oh! The Brits are dying of hunger and malnutrition and the ignorant cannot realize that.
Brits Hypocrites as always with little narrow minds as usual perhaps?.
yawn yawn
Feb 08th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“get your facts right UN doesn't think Malvinas Argentina is a country and I checked, nop there is no country by that name..”
Feb 08th, 2011 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0entirely correct, well done....
It's called the Falkland Islands. You fool.
@48, Malen,as l said, we will not discuss sovereignty. there is NOTHING to discuss. They are OUR lslands, NOT yours. Will you discuss the sovereignty of BA? no? why not?you want us to discuss with you about our land, why won't you discuss about your land?
Feb 08th, 2011 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0btw-when are you going to return the land that Argentina stole from Paraguay?
lts our oil & if we want to exploit it, we will.
lts got nothing to do with you or Argentina.
Do we tell you that you can't drill for oil in your own waters(which DOES NOT include the Falklands)? No we do not. So we will not listen to you when you try to tell us what to do.
-all very nice you giving us your ancestry, my mother is half French & half Russian, but neither pieces of information have anything to do with the Falkland lslands.
no one is claiming bs as sovereignity as i know its the capital of a republic recoignize all over the world since 1800s. and its very clear to everybody that the indiginuos and criollos (mixed indiginuos with spanish) fought for being an independent country that can take our own decisions and not to depend of what a king in other continent would like for us to do or to be.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and im talking of my ancestry to show you that the real owners of this lands are descendants of the orinal people living here the indiginuos in their mix with the europeans like the case of my mother that all her family is argentinian and has a tataraabula indiginuos. we are not implanted population like you. do you understand???? its not that i hate you but i dont like you i dont have doble speech and i dont think its bad saying it. you are always asking the same but you cant answer nothing.
and you know why Britain isn't claiming sovereignty over bs? because Britain does not have any legitimate claim (or moral claim), because it is utterly pointless, and because it distracts away from real problems. its a pity your backwards country cannot comprehend such simple ideas. according to recent polls a grand total of 1.5% of your population is indigenous as opposed to 97% white/European, so your whiny assertions that your population isn't implanted are just bullcrap aimed at denying your country's contemptuous hypocrisy over the falklands. it doesn't matter if your mother is apparently native, 97% of you by your own standards on the falklands have NO right to live in argentina.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ever since argentina split from Spain it has murdered natives and stolen their land (take a look at the conquest of the desert), and of course continues to occupy it. now in the 21st century you cant even show the surviving natives the decency of adequate health and sanitation. and you wonder why the falkland islanders want nothing to do with you?
they say the truth hurts,
Feb 08th, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this may of hurt them
any replies to finthorpes good article,
conquest of the desert many indiginuos kill, but where that campaign made? in the south of colorado river. how many indiginuos communitties live there of more than 20?? 3 or four mapuches patagones onas yamanas y los de bs as. mapuches went to chile then came back they are living in rio negro. but you know were most indiginuos live?? in north and mesopotamia because in the south theres cold weather. imagine without calefaction. i would have choosen the north yes. and thaat indiginuos colaborate in what was call misiones, where the spanish taught them religion and all that stupidity things. and the mixed you know. bautiful indiginuos girls in from there are borned the mestizos MESTIZOS. continuos mixing and mixing and we areCRIOLLOS a new race. our own race. my mother as many many people here has indiginuos but also argentinan and criollo (tatarabuelo bisabuelo etc) blood. los criollos werent kill when the europeans came. and let me tell you that bs as is not argentina and if you come here you will able to see that diversity in our faces. there are still communities of indiginuos living here and arent 2 or 3. www.arteyesperanza.com.ar
Feb 08th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it doesn't matter how few you say were killed or harmed, Argentina committed mass murder and land theft on it's native inhabitants. and argentine hysteria over the fraudulent claim that 30 settlers were supposedly removed from the falklands in 1833 show that numbers only matter to argentina when its in your interests. what argentina did to the natives in the south was pure murder and theft of land of those natives who dared to oppose argentine conquest, taking place well after the minor dispute over the falklands had been resolved,
Feb 08th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet despite this argentina still screams in self righteous fury about the “injustice” of britain peacefully reinforcing a long held claim on the falklands and despite it's claim of having removed the population being shown by numerous historical sources (ie diaries of Fitzroy and Charles Darwin who elaborate extensively on the Argentine population long after you claim they were expelled) it still touts this as some proof that argentina has moral high ground on the issue, and argentines like you and others lap this pathetic nationalistic myth up and ignore the very real issues destroying the lives of those whose lands you stole.
and btw the same stats i mentioned before show that barely 8% of argentines identify as “mestizos” so 90% of argentines by your own standards do not have any rights to where they live, and should be deported.
You've certainly dressed up the subjugation, murder and rape of the natives pretty nicely there malen. You must be so proud.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well what do you expect west? unlike the UK, USA, Germany and other civilized nations, argentina distinctly lacks any self criticism or national responsibility. just look at the US where the treatment of natives and slaves is widely recognized to have been utterly inexcusable and evil, or the UK which has taken full responsibility for the worst excesses of the empire, or Germany which has acted admirably in its taking responsibility for the Nazis. these measures may not cancel out the crimes, but at least they show the relevant nations taking national responsibility, thus helping ensure these crimes will not be repeated
Feb 08th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to stand up and take national responsibility for argentina's crimes is unthinkable. just look at the official policy regarding events like the falklands war, and the mass murder of dissidents. great pains is taken to whitewash argentina and merely deflect criticism onto “the dictatorship”, despite these actions being fully supported by most argentines. thus allowing idiots like those above to continue in their delusions and therefore be doomed to repeat these crimes again eventually.
in all sth maerica are indeginous if you dont know it its your problem its a true deal for all the region. you should be proud of kid of ten killing others of 3 or 4. westiesbest dont you?? or of making war in 21st century and killing 1 million people??
Feb 08th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you are an implanted population since you came said vernet to go and stole the lands that never belong to you because yo didnt have any kind of descendance there when arriving. stolen lands 14000 km away from your home.
and in Afghanistan we are part of a 40 nation UN coalition, and as our soldiers are posted to the remote and relatively unpopulated helmant province your “1 million” number is just plain bullcrap (especially as total civilian deaths are considered between 20 and 40 thousand by international observers).
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by your standards 90% of argentines are implanted Europeans, who committed mass murder and land theft on the natives (who now number less than 2% of the population). and thus should be instantly deported back to their country of origin.
also vernet's settlement was set up after he asked the BRITISH government for permission. when the settlement broke the conditions of this deal, britain took direct control though allowing the settlers to stay. the currant islander population is directly descended from the settlers who chose to stay. thus they have far, far more rights to their land than any argentine. distance is irrelevant, the population has existed peacefully and legally there for 200 years, and have both moral and legal right.
now stop whining and go away.
sorry but you are nobody to say me here what to do this is a free page and i can express the same way you do
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you did that in malvinas you know but im not going to go away im not insulting and i was answering westisbest not you
(66) Malen....a
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bien..... piba!
:-)))
it was a request, you have done nothing but spew bullcrap about the UK, and try to romanticize the sickening treatment of argentine aborigines. that plus your utter incoherence is good grounds for asking you to pipe down.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and we did what in the Falklands? tell you to stop whining and go away? please be more coherent if you are gonna reply.
please dont tell me what to do (be more coherent) youre not my father and this is a forum you can express your opinion and i can express mine thats all
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well in that case get back on topic and address what i or westisbest say as we have done to you rather than feigning offense over me being dismissive. if you like i will cut down on the insulting comments in return.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i never insult nobody here is not my way of being and i havent being offensive with nobody although i found some comments like saying to me to go away or others to indiginuos slightly offensive so i reply im not going to let others to say me how to be or what to say. i dont take a forum or a comment in a personnal way. and i m no t descalificating you for thinking different either, saying for ex youre incoherent.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact you whitewash over the appalling treatment of the natives is in itself insulting on a basic level, the fact you demand that the falkland islanders have no rights and are “implanted” with argentina's demographics, history and treatment of natives in mind is pretty damn insulting as well. however i will not pretend to be offended as these feelings are echoed by just about every argentine on this site.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and like i say, i will not ask you to go away again, but shall we get back on topic rather than discussing semantics?
i know the history of my country because my personal history life is involved with it as i have expressed through my ancestry. nevertheless you can think whatever you want really dont care. I respet your opinion although i desagree. thank for not asking to go away again, anyway believe me that i wouldnt go. have a nice day.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(71) Malen....a
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do as you wish but.......
I want just to tell you that this “Finthorpe” character is a biiiiig waste of time.
He loves to insult and degrade anybody that disagrees with him here, on other blogs and especially on Wikipedia.
He uses different pseudonyms because people get tired of him pretty fast and he needs the attention.
Otros apodos que usa son: “Justin Kuntz” and “Wee Curry Monster”
Un abrazo
El Think
as this article clearly shows, responsibility and respect towards the indigenous argentines, while a trait you may personally possess, is not one shared by the current argentine government. and as for your history no one from the UK would criticize you for it if you did not mock and demean the history of us and the islanders.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what I and others are pointing out is that infinitely more attention, energy and fervor is devoted to the non issue of the falklands (which has precisely zero importance to argentina and serves only as an outdated means of the government distracting the population from real problems) than to the plight of those in genuine need of help within argentina.
ok
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and as for you think. it seems that whenever anyone on this site says anything you have no answer to you either run away to another article or accuse them of being trolls.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have commented on precisely zero blogs and my wiki account has been inactive for at least a few years (if it still exists that is). i insult and demean those i deem deserving of being insulted or demeaned, sometimes i am too hasty but considering what i have seen of those like you think you are hardly one to criticize.
now i have a challenge for you think. refute ANY of the points i have made above pertaining to the falkland islanders and do it without changing the subject, copying and pasting propaganda or repeating yourself when refuted
64 malen
Feb 08th, 2011 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There weren't any indigenous people in the Falkland Islands. And lots of people in Argentina don't have any indigenous ancestry either. I'm sure you are proud of your ancestry, but it isn't much of an argument either way. And it doesn't solve the problems we have now.
it must be as you say monty. now im going to tell my grandfather grandmother my friends and neighbous that in argentina there is little, very little you like indiginuos ancestry. we dont know nothing of our own history but people living 14000 km away is going to explain us how we really are. anyway you are here for antartida you are claiming a bigger portion than the rest of the countries of the region. we have studied that i remember. well i hope common sense and justice should come some day. have a nice day.
Feb 08th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0did you know that
Feb 08th, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Famous Argentines such as Presidents of Argentina Raúl Alfonsín and Carlos Pellegrini, adventurer Lucas Bridges, Huracan football club president Carlos Babington and writer Jorge Luis Borges are of English descent. plus if im right their ae thousands of british settled in argentina today, history isnt it great ?
(80) Briton
Feb 08th, 2011 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes we know......
We have about 100.000 of them
A little story of an “Argie-Gaelic” man you may have seen on a T-shirt...
http://www.irlandeses.org/quinlan.htm
79 malen
Feb 08th, 2011 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, did I say something wrong? Are there not a lot of people in Argentina with European ancestry? I'm not telling you about your own history. I'm just pointing out that you are only telling us part of it; the part that suits your own argument.
You're quite a long way from here and I don't imagine you've ever been here, but that doesn't stop you telling us what we are, does it?
I hope justice prevails too, but I don't think your idea of justice would be the same as mine.
And I don't know what makes you think I'm 14000 km away.
anyone seen the soccer game Argentina Brazil it ended 2-1, why don't you guy come discuse the hells angels guy who gang rapped and murdered his hispanic girlfriend. we got hungry children sneefing glue in the Canadian native reservee or concentration camps, nobody seem to care here why do brits care for Argentine's aren't the canadian natives also important ??? or are you all just worryed about europids in Argentina ?
Feb 08th, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if it is justice it has to be justice for both dont you think monty?? like to kids fighting for a portion of cake half to each other. then you have to discuss wich half....thats the problem......thats how we did with chile, how chile is going to do it with bolivia and so on. no one gains all, no one looses all. que de vueltas y como me aburrro mañana voy al medico gracias a dios.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0A nice story think.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0every body liks a hero
we are all human underneath .
monty where are you ?? not 14000 km away???
Feb 09th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0we are in the Falkland lslands, Malen
Feb 09th, 2011 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well I think we should settle this issue with a fair split of the Archipelago.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets says ½ of the archipelago for the aborigine population of Argentina, ¼ for Argentina’s state and ¼ for the penguins.
Plus compensation fine imposed to UK for using illegally the archipelago for around 180 years and counting. What do you think? its looks very fair for me, isn’t it?
That will not work NicoDim, Argentina doesn't know how to share, they would still invade the half taken over by the Aborigines, and would probably kill off the penguins in the process.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about a fine for Argentina, for attacking a fellow country in the UN, unlawfully laying mines without marking then, using hospital ships to transport weapons, both are against the geneva convention.
Shall i go on??
@A.J.Rimmer
Feb 09th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well a poet in the block “Mr. Rimmer”. The guy who writes rhymes perhaps?
“for attacking a fellow country in the UN”
A fellow country in UN?
Sorry but I don’ remember when.
About what country are you talking about poet?
“using hospital ships to transport weapons, both are against the geneva convention”
Well, well what the noise about that mate. Come on the Geneva Conventions talk about the treatment of civilians and torture on prisoners of war. And forbids the use of some specific weapon like phosphorus, chemical weapon, shells made of depleted uranium, etc. and attacks over hospitals, humanitarian aid camps, etc.
Or you forgot the anti tank projectiles with uranium used by UKI forces given by the Americans in Iraq?
I think that you forgot to read it, I guess.
http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/british-army-tortures-afghan-citizens-daily-basis
Should I go on Rimmer?
“Lets says ½ of the archipelago for the aborigine population of Argentina, ¼ for Argentina’s state and ¼ for the penguins. ”
Feb 09th, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0How about 100% for the Falkland Islanders, free right of abode and free access for the penguins and a smack in the gob for Argentina?
actually l think we should take over Santa Cruz province. the British were there before the the Argentines, they are an“implanted”population of squatters. so get out back up north. what do you think of that idea, Nico?
Feb 09th, 2011 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@lsolde
Feb 09th, 2011 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The idea is good...
Well you can try what is the problem? Are you asking for permission?
Permission Granted.
Mean while I will think for a new name for UK...
What about Mouhamed’s Kingdom? Kabul? Or Great Ireland? And commonLosers?
i also have an idea nicodin, why don't you and every other whiny nationalist launch your own invasion of our falkland islands? seriously the amount of self righteous bitching you do is quite impressive, i just wonder whether or not you have the guts to back anything you say up. considering argentina's hysterical reaction every time our military scratches it's arse i doubt you or any other moron has the balls to do anything other then cry about it on the Internet
Feb 09th, 2011 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0and as for your bizarre attack on our Muslim population (currently numbering about 3% of the total population and out of the few million of them less than a few thousand can be considered islamist which in terms of total population is about 0.0001% of our population) need i remind you that your worthless ancestors exterminated the native inhabitants of your country until they number less than 1.5% of your population? amazing, the UK extends welcome to all who come to live in our wonderful country, even if they are currently on the receiving end of insults from deluded freaks like you. pity argentina cant extend such good feelings towards the rightful owners of their country.
still i guess i cant judge you, must be hard being force fed propaganda by your government about your own superiority, yet be forced to watch as the world ignores everything argentina says or does, and the islands off your coast continue to live peacefully, happily and securely despite your best efforts.
@NicoDumb. I seem to remember more than just the UK and USA taking part in the invasion of Iraq, Sounds to me like your hatred for all things non-corrupt is effecting the dull moist mass within your skull.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While you sit and take part in the biggest conspiracy of the 21st century, just remember that the drill will keep turning, and there is nothing you can do about it. Not one little thing. I bet that pisses you off a little.
Still, Argentina is good for one thing............ Nope, my mistake.
we are very good for futbol.
Feb 09th, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Isolde and what is your idea of all this? i should like to know.
briton borges was many mixes i think.
@finthorpe
Feb 10th, 2011 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mohamed stay calm, the only one having a hysterical reaction here is you. I’m just posting facts that you little neurons cannot process. That’s all.
And weak up 3 millions is already an invasion. Haha
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
Do you know what is Londonistan?
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/study-which-claims-%E2%80%9C55-million-muslims-20-years%E2%80%9D-britain-gross-underestimate
And about my/your guts, etc.
We are blocking you have you noted that?
Where are your guts? Sure if Britain or any other country blocks us we will have a war like we did before when Britain and France try to do so.
Why Britain doesn’t invade us?
I think your govt. and Army commanders are not so stupid after all and they realize what could be the consequences.
So shhhh and keep posting I’m really getting a lot of fun. And don’t cry please is annoying...
@Rimmer
Keep drilling what the problem?
Do you need help?
But do it where there is oil because until now you were very disappointing.
Lets see
@97
Feb 10th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0oh i am calm, unlike you of course given your tearful and vitriolic answer, it just eats at you knowing how truly impotent your screaming is. and my name is not Mohamed though once again i fail to see the insult, i guess your just another terrified racist moron
and given they are about 3% of the population and most of them are women and children.... no it is not an invasion. though given your xenophobic and amusingly racist rantings its not hard to see why your worthless country exterminated it's natives. so many cowardly racists like you must have felt so scared with native tribes standing up to you and your attempts to destroy them, still i didn't expect any different.
i do know London, world center of commerce, culture and politics, a city more important and more influential than the ENTIRETY of Argentina. hell the fact there are a few Muslim radicals is the one thing freaks like you try to throw at us, but then we just have to look at argentina's history of harboring Nazis to see how worse we could be.
and about your guts you are a coward sir. you and every argentine who comes on this and every other board screaming your deluded slogans and threatening everyone who opposes you, yet in the real world merely beg the UN and your neighbors to give you some sympathy in this situation. that is the mark of a coward.
our guts? the fact we slaughtered you in a war despite you outnumbering us and fighting from your own doorstep while we fought on the other side of the planet and despite you having soviet, Peruvian, and south american aid is quite telling (as is your constant crying about it since then).
and why the hell would we waste time invading your worthless country? hell i wouldn't even waste one of our nukes on you (those things cost money you know?) and if we did argentina would just scream to the UN and it's more powerful neighbors for help as usual
and don't try and copy my finishing lines, it just looks silly and shows a lack of originality
@96 Malen, hello Malen, l wish no evil to anyone & l don't want invade anyone's country. l don't hate Argentina or Argentines but l do believe that you have been fed lies and propaganda about our country(the Falklands)and that the vast majority of you actually believe it.
Feb 10th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0No matter what posters on here say, the Falklands have never belonged to Argentina and they do not belong to you now.
We are no more an implanted population than you are. Some of us have been here for 8 generations. Most Argentines are the result of mass immigration from the late 19th & early 20th century, maybe 5 generations at most.
ln my opinion, and as others have pointed out, its all about successive Argentine governments wanting to be able to exploit Antarctica and keep any compeditors (i.e. British)out.
This is all a great pity as Argentina has great potential to be a wealthy country, but instead wants to throw us out of our land so they can exploit Antarctica. we can chat anytime, Malen
yo no los odio pero no me gustan, y no me interesa ser amigo de nadie que sea ladron de guantes blancos disfrazado de carmelita descalza para hacernos creer que nosotros somos los incorrectos. soy libre y asi pienso. de todos modos respeto tu opinion. chatear de esto es medio al pedo, al menos para mi, porq no tiene sentido repetir eternamente lo mismo. para nosotros es importante estar alerta sobre cuales son las verdaderas ambiciones inglesas a 14000 km de distancia. hoy es por mi mañana por mi vecino. que tengas buen dia.
Feb 10th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0y las ambiciones de los isleños que han vivido a 0km de distancia de las islas por varias generaciones?.
Feb 10th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He leido mucho de tus comentarios hablando que pueden probar que las islas pertenecen a Argentina, pero vos, no has escrito ninguno, menos lo has repitido.
Si fuera a revés, o sea una población de argentinos en una isla a 500km de R.U., y R.U. reclamara las islas porque las trató de annexionar, sin exito, hace casí 200 años, y los argentinos hubiera vivido ahí por casí 200 años en paz, yo apoyaría la población argentina.
Asi que por favor, dame unos hechos indiscutibles que prueban que las islas pertenecen a Argentina....
Saludos,
Frase
el dementia da of trees apples fall.
Feb 10th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0segments tear of from out span, Della rose nay laddy
apples & pears to have one boat coated,
champion de Britannica , Britannica de bodacia icieni brigantine to blue wold,
(101) Frase
Feb 10th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say in Spanish (more or less) that:
If the situation was “the other way around”, and there was an Island 500 km from the UK, occupied by Argentina during the last 200 years, you would support the Argentinean settlers…………….
I say:
I “Think” that if such an “inverse” situation existed, for example with the Shetlands, you would be very, very alone in Britain and Europe on your support for the Argentinean position.
Can you imagine the UK and the rest of Europe just accepting that 2.500 Argentinean settlers should decide over 50% of the North Sea oilfields?
Can you imagine the UK and the rest of Europe just accepting that 2.500 Argentinean settlers should decide over the some of the richest fisheries of the North Sea?
Can you imagine the UK and the rest of Europe just accepting that 2.500 Argentinean settlers should be used as an excuse for the Argentineans to have an advanced military base with clear atomic potential some kilometers from the European shores?
Can you imagine the UK and the rest of Europe just accepting that 2.500 Argentinean Settlers should be used as an excuse for the Argentineans to claim all the Islands to the north as the Faroes, Spitsbergen etc. and an enormous chunk of the North Pole?
If you can you must be a veeeeeeery sweet person, to put it mildly!!!
I didn't say that it would be popular, or that governments would necessarily share my view. I don't think I'd be alone though, probably in a minority, but I don't think that the most popular stance is necessarily the correct stance in all cases.
Feb 10th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it's safe to say that I'm in a minority (though not alone) in Argentina with my stance on the Falklands. I still think it's the right one, even if my family and I might, theoretically, benefit from revenue from the Falklands entering the Argentine economy.
Where would you stand on the hypothetical Islas Shetland Argentinas? Presumably you'd want the land handed over to Britain?
Also, when you say 'more or less' do you mean that it was a rough translation back to English, or that it was written in something very loosely resembling Spanish???
(104) Frase
Feb 10th, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Ask:
Where would you stand on the hypothetical Islas Shetland Argentinas? Presumably you'd want the land handed over to Britain?
I say:
Yes, of course…………….I personally, as a normal Argentinean citizen, have no fantasy to imagine another outcome to such an “hypothetical situation” in the year 2011……………..
But I would be adamant about getting the most generous compensation terms and other possibilities like double nationality etc. for the Argentinean settlers……………..
PS:
I meant a rough translation back to English from my part……
I suppose that you have already noticed that the vast majority of Argies are more than happy for any Anglo that takes the trouble of learning same more Spanish than ”Dos cervezas, por favor”
Yours is most satisfactory and perfectly comprehensible……………
I was asking slightly facetiously, I didn't really have you down as the type to be disparaging about people trying to speak another language.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have, indeed, found Argentines, and people that I've met from other parts of the continent, to generally be very friendly and receptive when you at least make a slight effort with the lingo.
I forgot to ask, what do you think the Argentine and other South American governments' stance would be on the Argentine Shetlands?
Feb 11th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“But I would be adamant about getting the most generous compensation terms and other possibilities like double nationality etc. for the Argentinean settlers”
Feb 11th, 2011 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Argentine settlers'? Don't you mean 'implanted Argentine squatters' think?
;-)
@finthorpe
Feb 11th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What wrong with you Mohammed?
“i do know London, world center of commerce, culture and politics”
Really? Culture? wow
World center of commerce?
Well something is very wrong because UK only exports 400bn while Germany exports $1.337 trillion, China exports $1.506 trillion, USA$ 1,270 trillions, Japan $ 736bn, France $ 509bn, Korea $ 465bn, Italy $ 460bn, Netherlands $ 452bn, Canada $ 408bn, etc.
Where did you get that from the Daily Mirror?
Ok The day you get the guts to invade us call me.
@Frase
Frase, you are a good seller but we don’t buy it, haha
Working for an oil company perhaps?
One day some people would like to split UK into little Jamaica, Pakistan, Karachi or perhaps some one would like to have a separate Muslim state within UK. Or may be Europe why not?
That day I will call you again to hear your opinion.
By the way where is the support for these people? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/1005064.stm
“The story involves “bribes” from the United States, racism among senior civil servants, and the UK Government deceiving parliament and the United Nations.”
That’s the way its, Mr Frase
We will never give up on what we consider is our.
: )
@109 Nico. --consider all that you like, Nicholas, but you still won't get the Falklands
Feb 11th, 2011 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@108Westy.--good comeback, answer THAT one Cher Think!
Meh....I'm sure someone will bite, and then you can argue with them about which is the most corrupt country, and which country is going down the Gary Glitter, and then some links can be posted about Iraq and about Galtieri and about terrorism and about the indigenous, then 'I' can chime in about how Europids put children through shredders, and use endangered species to make disposable sex toys, and in response someone else will post a link about Maradona simultaneously snorting coke through every orifice in his body........
Feb 11th, 2011 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I've got important oil business to be getting on with, our latest project is to turn every citizen of the developing world into petroleum......
any contry with this many strikes has first an economy problem falling on them followed by hundger, this is not news to anyone, I was expecting this, and was bery angry at the farmers strikes in Argentina, but apparently when the strikes started everyone was too busy finding foult to noticed the most ovius outcome of their actions.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
something like this is happening in Egypt today.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
Corn is up 92% in a year, wheat is up 80% - with the usual knock-on effect on the cost of bread, meat and dairy products. The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization has shown that global food prices have hit a record high, even higher than during the 2007/2008 food crisis. Food inflation now rules all over the world, not only Egypt (where, crucially, more than half of an average income goes for food; food price inflation in Egypt is at an enormous 17% a year).
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
it don't see any other outcome tot his dilema in Argentina, specially if the farmers keep going on stikes while the miners pollute their water supply. 40 to 50 years from now they will be wondering why the land doesn't produse or why there is more people with cancer.
(107) Frase
Feb 11th, 2011 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just the thought of defending the existence of a situation such as the “Argentinean Shetlands” in 2011 or its continuation in the future would be ridicule.
I have no fantasy to imagine that the Argentine or any other South American government’s stance on an hypothetical “Argentinean Shetlands Issue” would be much different than my personal standpoint.
(108) WestisBest
I, personally would not call those 2.500 Argentinean settlers in the Shetlands for 'implanted Argentine squatters' …………………. No
But I would surely have to accept and understand the British and Europeans doing so……….
Such a situation as described in my post No. 103 would be unsustainable!
Don’t you Think so?
(110) Isolde
You ask me to answer “this one”….. I herewith do:
I, personally would not call those 2.500 Argentinean settlers in the Shetlands for 'implanted Argentine squatters' …………………. No
But I would surely have to accept and understand the British and Europeans doing so……….
Such a situation as described in my post No. 103 would be unsustainable!
What do you Think?
“Such a situation as described in my post No. 103 would be unsustainable!
Feb 11th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you Think so?”
If they were and artificial, implanted population, squatters or whatever then yes that would be true. If, however, they were an established population with a legal right to be there then no it wouldn't.
Going back to the Falklands Think, we say we have a legal right to be here, you say we don't. We have what we want so the onus is on you to prove us to be in the wrong. ICJ mate.....ICJ.
@113 Think, of course dahling, you would never admit that you might be wrong. as you said once before, you don't like hyperthetical situations.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0and hyperthetical it is. lets deal with facts.
1)we were here before you,
2) we were in Patagonia before you.
3)we own these islands, you do not.
4)you tried to take our islands by force, you failed.
5) you think that Antarctica belongs to you, it does not.
6) l believe that you personally Cher Think, hate the British, so would side with anyone who is against them/us(my enemy's enemy is my friend).
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@100 Malen, thats because your country IS in the wrong
@Isolde
Feb 11th, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you don’t know lady is that we created the sun, world and then the moon and later the galaxy : )
I win haha
I think Orion is still available why you don’t give a try?
@113
Feb 11th, 2011 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I have no fantasy to imagine that the Argentine or any other South American government’s stance on an hypothetical “Argentinean Shetlands Issue” would be much different than my personal standpoint.”
you must be a veeeeeeery sweet person, to put it mildly!!! ;)
@nicodin
Feb 11th, 2011 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0so your still trying to use a Muslim name as an insult? sad really, guess my lack of being offended didn't clue you into the fact that it just makes you look like another cowardly racist.
yep culture, among the world's finest museums, art galleries, theaters, unparalleled historical importance (also containing numerous world heritage sites), the official most visited city in the world, home of the largest broadcasting service in the world (BBC) and many, many other such factors including housing some of the world's finest universities.
and world center of commerce, alongside New York it's worlds largest financial center, largest GDP of any European city, home of 100 of the world's largest companies including the world's largest banks, enormous media commerce and of course tourism.
and you do realize that exporting on a national scale has no relation to London? and we are still the 5th largest economy on earth (whereas your 30th) and i got my info from international sources including UN affiliates
and why don't we consider how pointless invading your country would be? you have no natural resources of much value compared to other places, you pose no danger to us or anyone else due to your dismantled military, hell a single nuke EMP would knock out your entire infrastructure and have you screaming for surrender. if you attacked the falklands im sure we would have no problem ripping apart anything you throw at us(once again) but needlessly destroying you would just mean pointless paperwork
still i guess being so impotent does explain your hysterical rage and tearful insults. pity trolling online is the worst you or your countrymen can do now, well that and suck up to Brazil.
(114) WestisBest
Feb 11th, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”We say we have a legal right to be here, you say we don't. We have what we want so the onus is on you to prove us to be in the wrong. ICJ mate.....ICJ.”
I say:
Eventually lad, eventually...
In the meantime Argentina will keep its present strategy of increasing the pressure against the Islands
One year of British Oil Adventure has gone by and all signs are that Rockhopper has a dry well on its hands and the next “Appraisal Well” will be decisive for the future of the Oil Adventure
If it fails, you will “have what you want”, as you put it…… bankruptcy, dislocation, downturn, emigration, inactivity, paralysis, recession, retrenchment, slowness, stagnation and unemployment
If that is “what you want”…
(115) Isolde
This “hypothetical” situation was not created by me
It was a response to “Frase’s” hypothetical post No. 101
Your “Typical Kierkegaardian error here, is to view the “Malvinas Issue” as an “Subjective Truth” instead of as an “Objective one”
http://www.philosophypages.com/hy/5t.htm
And no, I don’t hate the British, the Germans, the Arabs or the Chinese
But I do have a strong aversion to anything military
(117) Frase
Nope……. Not a veeery sweet person
I just know the political mentality of South-America
There is no colonial mindset down here
That is more a traditional Anglo / European treat
Pick any land in the whole of Latin-America
Not one “Colonial Conflict” thousands of miles away
Only territorial quarrels about disputed adjacent territories or Islands
And; about the Antarctic
Denying that, for example, Australia, Chile or Argentina have obvious proximity rights over Antarctica would be so stupid as denying that Greenland, Russia or Canada have evident proximity rights over the Arctic
What the British Antarctic claim effectively does is to deny Chile and Argentina any of those rights using as excuse some British Citizens and employees, maintained by military force in Malvinas since 1833....
@finthorpe
Feb 11th, 2011 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most popular names here Carlos, Fabio, Jorge, Luis, Miguel, Daniel, Germán, Santiango, etc.
The only one thinking is an insult is you mate you can call me Fabio or Daniel if you want. No Problem
Mohamed is the most common and popular name in Britain do you know that?
706,248 new Mohammed just last year.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
Its my fault that you want to be Mohammed? I guess not.
Oh bloody racist you call me Fabio, Are you crazy mate?
Mohammed is a nice name I never found any Argy here with that name but is nice what is your problem?
Do you prefer Ali?
Yeah I was in the British museum nice and I was living in London but to call center of culture, art and all the stuff you write is tooooooo much especially from someone from Buenos Aires.
Have you ever been out of the Brit box? I guess not and comparing London with New York? Are you crazy or you read a lot the Daily Mirror?
And what? Do you think that you only have museums and funny stuff please don’t be ridiculous.
May be you can compete with our “ciudad de los niños” City of kids in La plata haha
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
Come on nothing like Buenos Aires may be Paris may be... still little for an Argie what can we do? We need space.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html
London, London... aahh full of Mohammeds, kebabs and fish & chips with vinegar. No much to do there...
Do you have any more relevant to impress me I’m getting boring abut it this. ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz
@nicodin
Feb 11th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all names of the murderers who slaughtered the natives of argentina and founded your third world country. and i don't need to insult you, im British, your argentine. thats enough for me :D and the fact Mohammad is the most common name for the Muslim 3% of our population means that the thousands of other names just cant cope. i guess Muslims may not be that imaginative but thats hardly a problem.
still i wonder how many native names are common in argentina? given your cowardly slaughter of them im curious as to how many have managed to preserve their basic heritage? i don't particularly mind the name Mohammad, many great people have had that name. Mohammad Ali for example, more a man than the entirety of argentina put together.
still given argentina's amusing xenophobia i am guessing that you would be crying for mercy at the very sight of a Muslim (or anyone darker than you). you should really become more inclusive, it may take the edge off the contempt the world has for you
and i guess if racist freaks like you are let in thats another great testament to London's tolerance. hell thats probably another factor why more people visit it than ANYWHERE else on earth, that and the countless UN recognized cultural centers, tourism locations and other places which draw millions of visitors a year. it can get a bit pricey but its all good, something for everyone. i just wonder whether the fact it is one of the two financial capitals of the world is responsible for it being one of the cultural capitals, or visa versa?
and im confused, were those pictures meant to impress me? i guess for a poverty stricken third worlder it may be somewhat impressive but im afraid i see far more impressive sights on an average workday, and im not even in London
now lets keep this going, i want some more vitriol and fury next time, your beginning to lose your touch. but if you want to run away that would be fine as well.
TWIMC
Feb 11th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rockhopper announcement:
NO OIL in any commercial quantity (just stains and stuff :-)
Shares down 20%
Well……………………………………........................
First part of my prediction of the 23 January 2011 has come true…..
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/01/21/unilateral-facts
“175 Think
My prediction, (for what it is worth)…….
The current Rockhopper drill will be a duster. They have already built in the excuse by stating it to be: “Out of their self-proclaimed discovery zone”.
Next Rockhopper drill; “the appraisal” will be a long story with all the ingredients of a Brazilian Soap Opera: Sidetracks, Weather, technical difficulties………you name it.
They will finally downgrade Sea Lion to something between 100-150 Million barrels to keep interest alive for the rest of the campaign without risking jail sentences.”
Let’s keep our finger crossed for the fulfillment of the second part :-)
I'm not finthorpe, I see Think resorting to his usual tactics of lying and slandering yet again.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@123 well what do you expect, hell the moment i started commenting he immediately screamed i was a sock account and refused to address anything i said. and that was before i started directly insulting him, its just so that he can live on in his sad little delusion without dealing with reality
Feb 11th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle.....
Feb 11th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is talking to himself :-)))
Chuckle chuckle.....
PS:
Next Rockhopper Well: 14/10-4……….. The “Sea Lion’s Appraisal Well”
What are the chances that 14/10-4 is water with residual hydrocarbons?
Quite big lads……
en mi opinion frase vos no sos isleño y no tenes ambiciones propias. Segun tengo entendido vos sos britanico porque vivis en un territorio de ultramar britanico e incluso tu bandera es la inglesa con una ovejita y la mia por ej no es la española con un gaucho tomando mate. mi gobierno habla de las islas con los britanicos y son ellos los que se preocupan por vos y nos dicen que tus ambiciones son seguir siendo britanicos. o sea que ahora vos sos britanico con ambiciones britanicas.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cuando vos seas isleño con ambiciones propias se viene la revolucion muchacho, y seguro me voy a enterar por los diarios.
para nosotros no es un hecho inocente que los ingleses esten en sudamerica. como tampoco lo fue alla poe el 1500 que los españoles vinieran a sudamerica. no fue para hacer turismo, fue por la plata y el oro y creeme que hasta que no se lo llevaran todo no se iban a ir. igualmente nuestras historias presentan matices diferentes, que mi pais tiene derecho a reclamar y vos a defenderte. independizarte lo ve dificil son 2000, y nosotros tardamos 300 años vos vas por 200 y a inglaterra no le conviene ahora.
no voy a discutir nada mas es un dialogo de sordos esto por lo que leo y no es de mi interes participar en algo asi. saludos.
sure let have another “STRIKE” all farmers to the streets, and when the least priviledge go hungry we will blame the Argentine president for the lazy stand of our union leaders, does anyone know what “STRIKES” does to the economy ?? 2001 should have being a eye opener to all Argentines, but apparently the blind fold is back on.
Feb 11th, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
something like this is happening in Egypt today.
www.globalpost.com/dispatch/egypt/110209/egypt-strikes-protests
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/02/soy-prices-soar-as-argentine-ports-are-blocked-by-week-long-strike
Corn is up 92% in a year, wheat is up 80% - with the usual knock-on effect on the cost of bread, meat and dairy products. The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization has shown that global food prices have hit a record high, even higher than during the 2007/2008 food crisis. Food inflation now rules all over the world, not only Egypt (where, crucially, more than half of an average income goes for food; food price inflation in Egypt is at an enormous 17% a year).
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB11Ak01.html
@119
Feb 11th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm dubious Mr.Think......I don't personally think that handing the islands over to Argentina would mean a victory over colonialism, quite the opposite in fact. And I'm sure in our hypothetical Argentine Shetlands, that Argentina wouldn't see it as colonialism, but supporting a people's right to not be colonised against their will, on the basis of proximity.....
I suppose it's a good way to get people to agree by more or less saying 'if you don't agree with our claim, you support colonialism/are a pirate', but statements (or paraphrasis) like this I consider to be non sequiturs, in that the conclusion is not the logical conclusion of the premise.
I don't support Argentina's claim because I think it is weak, and based mainly on emotion, which has been stirred internally, nothing to do with colonialism.
As for Antartica, the subject interests me very little, which is why I didn't mention it.......
@127
Feb 12th, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0....and this is the person who advocates that farmers, instead of producing food, should diversify into biofuel....what a prat you are I(mbecile). Fool.
i want to react on the arguments of malen,if you have read argentine
Feb 12th, 2011 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0history you may have noted that at theend of 1880 general roca went with a big army into the pamapas and patagonia the so called “campaña del desierto” and killed a lot of indians and the women and children were sent to BA to work as servants,thats whya lot of argentines want to throw down the monuments of Roca which are in nearly every town.
That the people mix in argentiona is another fiction, alot ofpeople are proud of being of european stock and dont want to mix with the so called “cabecitas negras” ,there is a tacit racism in argentina,specially in BA.
Anther true story is that dictator Rosas dropped all claims on the falklands in exchane for a safe conduct to Great Britain ,a monthly allowance and a land house in Southhampton,all this he got when he was defeated in the caseros battle by urquiza and fled with his daughter Manuelita to a British vessel which was waiting in the roads of BA.
He lived comfortably in southhampton for another 20 years,he also killed a lot of indians and gave their land to the military officers the same as Roca.
@ finthorpe
Feb 12th, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vitriol and fury why?
I’m quite calm and you? haha
Let’s see British massacred the Africans, traded with slaves, put them into concentration camps, slaughtered the Indians, the Jamaicans, you invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, 1m people was killed in your party.
And you call me xenophobic, Racist and anti Muslim because I call you Mohammed??? Wow
It is not something wrong here?
Is my fault that Mohammed is the most used name in Britain or Alí or Abdul or Abdullah?
What part of Mohammed is racist for you? Or is offensive? The only claiming that is you.
If you call me Nahuel or Nehuen or Lautaro (what are aborigine names) I will not feel offended at all.
Why I should or explain that there are few, bla, bla, bla. Have no sense.
Different would be if I say that all British are black or Asian what would be not true as I saw some white when a was there. If I ignore the minority white in UK that way you would be right. But I didn’t do that. Did I?
“i am guessing that you would be crying for mercy at the very sight of a Muslim”
And why do you assume that?
These are your fears not mine, sure you put your head down when you see one. haha
And what was the rest... ah! yes your poor old and flat London centre of I don’t know what...
I guess you would feel more comfortable with something more medieval and our landscape, rural areas, sheep and that kind of stuff.
After all its what you see every day.
You just ask don’t worry we have for all taste even yours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBE1KMOO1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBE1KMOO1k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxBE1KMOO1k
And don’t thank me Muh please. I understand your limitation and from where you are coming from.
: )
@nicodin. yep, your shrieking insults are full to the brim with terrified vitriol and fury. and stop copying my lines, it just shows how unoriginal you are.
Feb 12th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and actually we did not massacre native Africans. that was unprofitable and our empire was built around pragmatic profit making, hell we traded, and formed alliances with them (usually against their rivals) before incorporating them but massacring was the realm of France and Belgium. same with India and the rest of our empire.
you are a terrified racist because you use the name Mohammad as an insult and pretend the fact we allow Muslims to live in the UK constitutes an invasion. your hasty backpedaling just shows how truly lost you are without racist insults to throw. and i would never call you one of the extremely uncommon aboriginal names which survived your genocide, mostly out of respect to those whose land you stole.
well for a 97% white country like argentina i doubt you have even seen a black or an asian, this would explain your view of racial integration as an insult for us and also your apparent fear of them. fortunately for us, we in the civilized world have mostly moved beyond such pointless insults, maybe argentina can join us one day (unlikely i know but possible).
and yes you could say London is one of the centers of the world, it certainly has the qualifications, and it's only peers are New York, Tokyo and Paris. for me however oxford is nice enough while i am here, but i prefer brighton, though neither are anything like the third world slums you are more comfortable with.
now be more hysterical and off topic next time, you are just repeating yourself now and thats just plain boring
nothing the British hate more is a raciest and Argentineans ????
Feb 12th, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0quote-unquote
@ finthorpe
Feb 13th, 2011 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0About your denial of history an truth, as always the typical hypocrisy by you likes.
“The first concentration camps were used by the British in the Second Boer War in Africa around 1900. The families of South African men fighting against the British were put in camps to stop them from giving food and help to the fighters. Their houses and farms were burned. At least 30,000 people, mostly children, died in these camps from sickness or hunger.”
“well for a 97% white country like argentina i doubt you have even seen a black or an asian,”
I already told you that I saw many, many in Europe especially in UK. Have you ever get outside your box?
“you are a terrified racist because you use the name Mohammad as an insult and pretend the fact we allow Muslims to live in the UK constitutes an invasion”
I’m not afraid on anything but seem you are and there is nothing racist or not racist in names or words all depends of your prejudices and you have a lots. And one is that you don’t want to be confused with a Mohammed that is your problem, mate.
Very nice your country really:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
And this is your worst fear:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
But how that above is compatible with this below?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
By the way this British is upset because Labour Party is destroying his Brit an English identity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
“maybe argentina can join us one day”
No thanks we are very well like we are now.
Why do we would import chaos from someone else place?
By the way have you been praying today?
: )
@134Nico, wow, you really have done a lot of anti-British research. does it give you a warm glow, Nicholas? you must really hate it how we thrashed your invading forces in 1982.(come again, anytime & we'll do it again) and you must really hate us.
Feb 13th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0well l'm glad thats out in the open. hope you remembered to buy your lady a Valentine's day gift.
btw-the British did not invent concentracion camps. l don't know who did but the Spanish were using them in Cuba in, l think, 1896.
l know innocent people died in the camps in South Africa but that was due to mis-management & sickness rather than deliberate policy.
-reading some of the comments on this forum leads me to believe that a similar thing would happen here if Argentina ever got it's greedy squatting hands on our lslands.
no, senors, we are staying here & want nothing to do with you
como duele la verdad como duele
Feb 13th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0no es solo el petroleo no seamos ingenuos
y todo lo que dicen para defenderse en 5 minutos te lo refuto lo unico que nle voy a dar de comer pasto a las fieras
@136 malen, please write in English, malen. lt is tedious to have to keep translating your posts. eventually of course we just won't bother to even read them.
Feb 13th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0talking about racism,in Argentina in the begining of 1800 there was a huge negro population,as a lot of slaves were imported in the river plate,they were used as servants ,and when slavery was abolished they were used as frontline soldiers in the war against Pparaguay and Brasil
Feb 13th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and also in the expeditions against the indians,therefor nowadays the percentage of negros in the argentine society is very low,but there are many argies with a percentage of negro blood,but nobody wants to recognize it.,the same as the argies they dont want to recognize having indian blood,even peron whose mother was of indian stock said he was of
french vasco origin.,
perhaps if they spent more time concentrating on themselves and not being anti British, they may wall get somewhere in life.
Feb 13th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@nicodin
Feb 13th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0actually they were first used by the Spanish in Cuba decades before that. the UK just named them. and like Isolde said they were a deeply flawed tactic but a far cry from a massacre... and they were used on Boers, not native Africans, so you failed morally, historically AND semantically with that one whiny sentence. i have to say thats quite an achievement.
i doubt given your hysterical trolling you saw anything in Europe but enormous superiority to your laughable third world country. hell i can almost taste the bitterness and jealousy you feel. and of course given your hysterical fear of britain (non stop whiny tirades and epically failing insults), non whites (contempt for native argentines and non white Britons) and non Christians (terrified insults against Muslims and believing they are invading everywhere), im guessing you spent most of the time hiding in a hotel
and yes our country is very nice, infinitely nicer, richer, happier, less corrupt, more important and more powerful than your tiny, third world mind can comprehend. im guessing those youtube links (i didnt bother looking because it shows you have literally nothing to refute me) were the worst you could find on the UK? well all i have to do is remember how your worthless country committed mass murder on it's own people barely 20 years ago, is a powerless, worthless third world slum, and has done nothing of note or worth in it's entire history.
and hell even the labour party is enormously fairer, less corrupt, more respected and more beneficial than ANY argentine political movement in history. thats not to say they are any good, only that when compared to your pathetic string of governments they come off very well
now unless your next comment has
a) no repeating the same hysterical tirades
b) no enormous strings of youtube links
c) no racist abuse of muslims (seriously why are you so scared of them?)
then don't bother posting, your just embarrassing yourself and boring me
@ lsolde
Feb 14th, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and you must really hate us”
I don’t hate you
: )
@expat
According with Hoyt and others Brits here, we didn’t exist here in the first place until 150 year ago how could we have done that things? so you are recognising that we were here before your lads.
your funny story of slaves here. That is a myth like Wilde captain Alexander Gillespie from the British Army wrote in his memories during his invasion of Buenos Aires:
“the slaves had been treated with genuine affection for their masters, having no point of comparison with the treatment given to other colonies.”
“Buenos Aires, the first care was to instruct his love slave in the native language of the place, and the same in the general principles and beliefs of their faith” ... . ”The masters, as I have observed, were equally attentive to its moral home. Every morning before they were to love the Mass, congregated in a black circle on the floor, young and old, giving them work of needle and fabric , According to their abilities. Everyone seemed jovial and I have no doubt that the reprimand also entered the circle. Before and after lunch, and dinner in one of the latter was presented to ask for blessings and give thanks, what we were taught to regard as prominent duties and always complied with solemnity”
“Beresford issued a directive in which he ordered to make clear to the slaves that British will not recognise them as a free people. This action turned the black population against the English what contribute the English army defeat. So the existing black population fought against British army.
So you killed them in your invasion not us, they fought against you because they knew the treatment Brits will give to them like in other British colonies.
So better to be an slave of and Argentina than to be under the British rule.
Last for the idiot,
@ finthorpe
I’m a EU national and I was living in London.
What the hell an every day Argie will be jealous about Britain?
The weather perhaps?
The story about slaves and the genocide of the indians during the campaña del desierto i read them in argentine history books ,there is a writer who can tell you the same story and worser ones,that is osvaldo bayer, Pigna is also an historian who can affirm this.
Feb 14th, 2011 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0?one does not wish to be uncaring to the slaves, but if under the control of the British, they would of course be free today, [we abolished slavery or have you forgot this ], and if they were better of under Argentinean control, they most probably be slaves today, in one way or another.
Feb 14th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well there is still slave labor in some parts of argentina,if i was an argie i would feel ashamed being a citizen of a country of plenty of food were still people die of hunger
Feb 15th, 2011 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0all the Argie bloggers do is talk into the mirror then post on here,
Feb 15th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that’s why most of them shoot themselves in the foot, or was it the brain ?
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