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UK/Spain holds talks on ways to re-launch trilateral dialogue with Gibraltar

Tuesday, February 15th 2011 - 20:17 UTC
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The Spanish media revealed that Spain’s Foreign Minister Trinidad Jimenez will be in London this coming Thursday to meet with her UK counterpart William Hague for a bilateral meeting on various international issues including Gibraltar. Read full article

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  • briton

    .never trust the politicians, or you will have no future
    These are untrust worthy, I just don’t trust them when they talk behind your back.
    But then again im probably dreaming ?

    Feb 15th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    It is the Spanish who are proclaiming that this meeting is about Gibraltar ... typically this is for Spanish consumption.

    Having said that, in the same building, at the same time the Lib Dem Euro MP for Gibraltar, Graham Watson, will be meeting Gibraltar’s Minister – David Liddington. Just the other side of the door in case Spain tries to discuss something that the Gibraltarians would wish to be involved in!

    “ ... The Royal Navy will continue to provide maritime presence in Gibraltar to protect British sovereignty and control of British Gibraltar Territorial Waters....”

    And elsewhere too :-)

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “ ... The Royal Navy will continue to provide maritime presence in Gibraltar to protect British sovereignty and control of British Gibraltar Territorial Waters....”

    What navy?? hahaha, hurry up before your last carrier turns into a Chinese restaurant or scrap metal in Turkey.
    Oh..I am sorry ...I am almost forget about that British ship Stingray!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E06cNv55jTs&feature=related

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “last carrier”

    For 8 years. At witch point the royal navy will double it's current ability to launch planes at sea.

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    #3 “Stingray!”

    Sorry, location fail.
    Stingray was set in the fictional city Marineville, located in California. It was the flagship of WASP (the World Aquanaut Security Patrol).

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Zethee

    “For 8 years”

    In 8 years you can be invaded 20 times hurry up.

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    You can invade us 20 times?? Wow! What with ?

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    Assuming NicoDin is meaning Argentina invading the Falklands (as he is one-dimensional so I am most likely correct), I like how he assumed that each invasion attempt would be defeated by the British, thus requiring 20 invasions. Finally some reality from the Argentines!

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Rufus, Stingray
    “ It was also the first British television programme to be filmed entirely in colour”

    Don't you worry, Captain Scarlet will protect Londonistan from the Mysterons“Muslims”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8YbLvGrb0

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • arquero

    vvvvvmmm
    #9..... +++++ Jamaicans ++ Some Africans.............

    Feb 16th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “In 8 years you can be invaded 20 times hurry up.”

    Argentina nolonger has the ability to land troops on the islands, nico.

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    without help she cant do anything,
    but stand on the sidelines and throw dirt at us,
    watching all that money just sail by.
    still give her time and she will pick on some other poor undefended little island .

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Zethee

    Really? well you are pretty save so, haha.

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Yes, nico.

    Without gaining air superiority the landing ships(which you need in order to land troops) would not be able to reach the islands without first being sunk by anti ship missiles. It's not really possible for Argentina to gain air superiority over the islands with the aircraft you currently have.

    Another option is to land troops by submarine and take the base with special forces. The likely ness of 100 to 150 lightly armed special forces taking a well armed and equipped military base with over 1500 staff there with heavy equipment and air support is very, very slim... especially since they would have only 24 to 48 hours before getting heavy reinforcements.

    The only option i can honestly see working is if Argentina literally just threw everything she had at the islands, all troops, subs, planes all at once. The losses would be substantial though i believe.

    Even then it would not be a guarantee and if they are equipped with stuff like challengers and apaches they would chew your forces apart.

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    besides he did not mention our secret weapons.
    Mrs mop being one of them.
    if she ever get sent down there she will just brush all you argies back into the sea lol

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Zethee

    “It's not really possible for Argentina to gain air superiority over the islands with the aircraft you currently have.”

    Wow! And what aircraft do we have? Haha,

    But if I blow up the following targets first before landing (just and example) you will not have anything to fly with. And you have no idea how easy is to do the job. haha

    -51.822382914062 -58.44715515319825
    -51.820711743040945 -58.456811105651866
    -51.818934397903774 -58.46741119567872
    -51.821295333616106 -58.46771160308839

    -51.685939137750324 -57.777160798950206
    -51.685885925129455 -57.769951021118175

    I think you got the idea hey!

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    lets be serious now, no funny stuff
    did you know that your official birthday is April 1st.

    Feb 17th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    ”But if I blow up the following targets first before landing (just and example) you will not have anything to fly with.”

    And with what exactly would you blow these up with?

    In real life, nico. Things dont blow up just because you would like them to. You would require a missile system capable of hitting + destroying the target from your mainland.

    You don't have such a system. And even if you had the destroyer in the area has an anti missile system. The RN being the only navy in history to ever take out a missile in combat with another missile.

    And please dont come back with rubbish like you're anthrax the base personally or bomb it yourself. No-one's buying it.

    Feb 19th, 2011 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Zethee

    “In real life, nico. Things dont blow up just because you would like them to. You would require a missile system capable of hitting + destroying the target from your mainland.”

    Oh! Really?

    How on earth I didn’t think about that?

    You should be very smart Mr. Zethee.

    But be carefully to don’t shoot your own foot with that crap.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m29eTQTm0Ho&NR=1

    As I said before you are very safe, very safe...

    haha

    Feb 19th, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    You can mock the seadart. But it's the only missile in the world that's been proven to be able to shoot down an incoming missile in combat.

    Feb 19th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Feb 20th, 2011 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    The sea dart's use in an anti-missile role was first seen in 1991, where it shot down an Iraqi silkworm missile aimed at USS Missouri.

    The problem about Mach 3+ antiship missiles is that there aren't very many of them out there, and the (few) countries that do manufacture them aren't the most arms-export-driven countries (generally having learned by supplying arms to client states, only to have them cause problems later).

    Incidentally, the sea dart is scheduled to be retired (or at least all of the vessels that carry them are) by 2014, although the replacement does have a slightly better range (about 120km and twice the velocity for the long-range type, at the cost of the slightly dubious anti-surface role)

    Feb 21st, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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