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Spain’s Prince Felipe recalls Gibraltar at state dinner for Prince of Wales

Saturday, April 2nd 2011 - 20:37 UTC
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Spain’s longstanding claim over the sovereignty of Gibraltar looked destined to continue into the next generation of Spanish politics as the heir to the Spanish throne, the Prince of Asturias, used a state dinner for the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall to reiterate Spain’s desire to ‘progress’ on Gibraltar. Read full article

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  • briton

    It seems that everyone is jumping on the band wagon,
    and the reply is, [the lion is still asleep]
    as the American president once said, [Britain,, a nation of lions, led by donkeys‘] so, nothings changed then .

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    I am not afraid of an army of lions led by a sheep; I am afraid of an army of sheep led by a lion.
    Alexander the Great

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    poor Greeks

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajajaja !!!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    It seems the tables are finally starting to turn.

    Sometimes you have it good at the beginning, sometimes at the end.

    The UK will not have it good at the end.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Quite apart from the rights of the people of Gibraltar, the Spanish would get more respect in their claim if they “returned” Ceuta & Melilla to Morrocco. Keep dreaming about tables, Martin.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    Can anyone remind me what the result was of the last referendum that Gibraltar had about joint rule?
    Wasn't it awfully similar to the previous referendum on Spanish rule?

    The number 99 springs to mind, can't think why...

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    “We have at times been bounded by trade, by politics, by Treaty and by marriage. And, at other times, we have been divided by war, by religion and by economic rivalry. But I think I can say without fear of contradiction that throughout the centuries, one thing we have never lacked is mutual respect and admiration, irrespective of the side of the argument on which we have found ourselves”

    Now that's the way to set the tone for reconciliatory activities - so much can be learned from the old world and it's innate politenesses.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “It seems the tables are finally starting to turn.”

    ....How? Spain has been moaning about gibraltar for longer then you lot have about the falklands.

    They even signed it away, legally.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Oh dear Martin, and I've just seen you crying ignorance by Islanders and Brits over Argentina :)

    Now my turn to cry ignorance by you over Gibraltar :)

    Argentina has alot to learn from this situation, Spain has turned off the aggression and is now actively wooing the Gibraltarians, Spain has got further in the last 10 years with this policy than in the last 300 years with the previous policy of bitch slapping and isolation.

    In fact when you go to Spain, the Rock or La Linea, the whole place is marked by the absence of any dispute and hard feelings, it is as one local put it “The hobby horse of the political elite”, another one said “where else would I get duty free wine and cigarettes so close to home”.

    Perhaps its time Argentina should start extolling the benefits that Islanders would have under Argentina, instead of rhetoric....you want the UK to negotiate, well offer something constructive then, other than ”You are terribly naughty for not negotiating or listening to a now (de-funct) UN assembly resolution, if you don't negotiate with us we will say naughty things about you and prevent Argentina companies from drilling in our waters, oh yes and we don't recognise the islanders because they are a mighty inconvenience and this self-determination thing is tedious as it denies us sovereignty” and so on and so forth?

    Why do I get the impression sometimes that Argentina has evolved slightly isolated from the rest of the world? The maximum international interaction you have at the minute is with....eeer? Other former Iberian colonies....

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Today Britain sends 600 royal marines, and 4 ships to give humanitarian
    help to the people in libya who need it, another example of the good guys trying to help the little guys

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @12 is that the reason or ...let's be sure that the oil keeps flowing, the country gets back to normal so the price of gasoline goes down? Here the gallon is @ 4 dollars wtf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    hahaha... briton you're so full of shit

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    Let's just stick with the subject.

    Gibraltar will NEVER be Spanish. Why? Because the people of Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish. They see so many things they don't like on the other side of the border. As witness La Linea's inability to pay its own employees because it is broke.

    Quite a parallel with the Falkland Islands actually. People who have been in place for eight or nine generations look over the water and want none of what they see. Even without the threats, the breaches of the UN Charter and the breaches of international law.

    and in neither case will Britain back down. Not in 5 years, not in 50 years, not in 500 years.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @7 Martino, so by your reckoning, its alright for Spain to keep 2 cities near Morrocco's coast but not alright for Britain to keep one city near Spain's coast? Hypocrite! Are you Spanish?
    When is Argentina going to return the land it stole from Paraguay? Soon?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    14 Martin_Fierro (#)
    hahaha... Martin you're so full of shit
    //////////////
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-03/britain-to-send-600-navy-marines-ships-to-libya-times-says.html
    this is what was sent, but if that’s shit, then so be it, but at least its British shit, and not Argentinean cowardice, where’s your contribution , hiding under Christina’s skirt as usual lol

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    15,
    “Because the people of Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish.”

    Cut the crap already...

    16,
    “not alright for Britain to keep one city near Spain's coast”

    NEAR Spain's coast??? It is ON Spain, leave it at that and revise your statement if you want me to answer your question.

    Paraguay? Really?

    17,
    Why would Argentina send troops to Libya? Because you think they should? Your comment was simply stupid.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    And why is the comment stupid why
    are you then saying all others are stupid, it would not hurt argentina to offer some help , but then again having friends like hugo, , [now thats stupid]

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    We have peacekeeping missions in Haiti, Chipre (Cyprus?). From 150,000 army troops in the 80's now we are down to 25,000. Who do you want us to send? would it make a difference? .... just a thought.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    19 briton,
    “but then again having friends like hugo”

    Lets see, he offers military help in the event of a war, and invests heavily in Argentine shipyards. Yeah.. he is clearly an enemy of the state. Shut the f@ck up briton.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Chavez buys weapons to protect himself from a possible invasion by the US, which is pretty much possible if he stops the flow of oil so I don't see the monkey (Chavez) helping us in any other issue rather then election money for Cristina .....

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I don't think there's gonna be a war so we'll never know. I don't think putting a twist on every single issue can be justified either, artillero, but that's just me.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    i agree

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    24,
    Have you seen this video? It's really good.
    1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlQpmJEuso
    2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlQpmJEuso

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    ya los habia visto y gracias por mandarlos de nuevo .... no solo me da tristeza pero una tremenda bronca !!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    very good video Martín

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    26 & 27

    Thanks...

    It's just unbelievable

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    oh !!! pero siga la joda !!!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    martin you winker.
    that’s what all winkers and degenerate maggots do look to Hugo another winker.
    martin the degenerate idiot who backs losers, so fxck you.
    shit face,
    not nice to be insulted is it maggot, so complain and always be a smelly maggot shit turs.
    isn’t nice to say nice things .

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Thats quite right Martin...that video is unbelievable as you quite rightly said, because virtually none of it is factual, its a good outlet for the Argentine outrage bus I will grant you that, but nothing more nothing less :)

    .....meanwhile back on planet earth.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Chavez
    is all mouth and no trousers, only fools and supporters of dictators and murderers , think he is anything but, isn’t that right martin,
    the world is changing and their is no place for these degenerate murderers, they care nothing for the innocent, isnt that right martin, the man who never cares, and a staunch supporter of dictators,
    [now i may be wrong] perhaps martin is not a degenerate gutter snake
    perhaps he does like the freedom of America, a freedom that his friend Hugo would sfuff up his arse, but only the great martin can tell us, unless of course we are all idiots, martin,,, the greatest thing about a comment is that its free, alas in some places they would put you up the wall and shoot you, , the difference is martins opinion, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shittttttttt,
    [nice video martin ,,nice video ]

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Wow Brits, the video had a bigger impact on you than I ever would have thought possible..........

    Truth hurts, and you're sure as hell showing it.

    Sorry I interrupted you....... please, keep ranting. : P

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Thats ok, time over, back to the drawing board lol

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    on the other hand, US policy (and allies) supported and supporting for years dictators such us : Gaddafi (Lybia) , Mubarak (Egypt), Shaikh Khalīfa (Bahrain), etc, etc for the sake of keeping the region stable without obviously caring for the people without mentioning Noriega, Sadam Hussein and the most popular Osama Bin laden.... so again, are we having a double standard??

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Sadly my friend you are correct, mmmmmmm
    but that’s politics for you, we may object, but our governments have more fingers in pies than a kit-kat. their answer is always, better the devil you know, I do not agree with it, and probably none of you do, but as far as corruption goes, a deals a deal ,

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    lol!! ...so FOR THE RECORD .... Cristina doing business with “el mono” (Chavez) is as bad as US (and allies) doing business with the people I just mentioned., is that correct? Thank You ! that's all I need to hear

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    lol

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    It looks like Briton and I can solve the Malvinas - Falklands issue. Are you ready? here is the proposal : You can keep Tevez and I will throw Messi for no additional cost to you and You give me my islands back. what do you think?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Messi for those ugly.. barren god forsaken islands?? You're nuts

    They can keep'em!!

    haha

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    haha

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Look at the photo above... the one of Felipe and the clown.

    Felipe: 'te voy a dejar el culo hecho un florero'
    Clown: 'oh shit'

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Martin,“ Look at the photo above... ”Felipe: 'te voy a dejar el culo hecho un florero'
    Clown: 'oh yes'

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-11-10-prince-charles_x.htm

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Is he related to Dan4??

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    44,

    Look at those dreamy eyes... “ahhh... Felipe, Felipe!!”

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    More misinterpretation
    I say basically the world is corrupt in part, and you think we can solve the Falklands crises, if only it was that simple,
    Argentina wants what it does not own, so you cannot barter on that item.
    as for you two
    batman and robin, , and Christina as cat woman , boy what a trio lol

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    too busy watching TOP GEAR .....Good Night !!

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frase

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0i0RXMvzMs&feature=player_embedded#

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    artillero601
    Martin_Fierro
    malen
    Marcos Alejandro
    Kiwisarg
    Gotey
    ed
    JustinKuntz

    Some may ask why these above dislike the British so much,
    For their remarks are nothing short of degrading at the best of times
    We are not perfect by any standards, but these ,would surly have to be considered for the noble support prize, for no others will you find support for everything that is bad in this world, they twist turn manipulate and try to down beat anyone that opposes them their ideals are more worthy of the street than, of respect or honour, isn’t it a shame then that they have the undying honour to be not only matched by the best, but beaten by the best, some would say their biggest mistake was trying to insult the British,
    Rather than the usual riffraff they abuse and mistreat, for one might feel they should be honoured to be in the presence of such sophisticated noble people, that not only lead by respect, but once in a while chastises such rude unrespectful men,, they call themselves Argentine, but most decent Argentineans would not touch them with a barge pole, ,so they cant be the best, they cant beat the best,
    they cant even be decent Argentineans, so they reduce themselves to insulting and browbeating others
    Then get upset when their insults back fire,. For these above are most certainly rejected by all decent bloggers, I could of course be totally wrong, perhaps we have misunderstood them, perhaps underneath they are decent people, perhaps even decent caring and understanding,
    [but then perhaps not,] perhaps just some of them are deluded fools, , and the Falklands
    [when hell freezes over ] for ever will they remain British, just a thought .sleep tight ???

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @18 Martin_Fierro. yes, really. When do you plan to return the land that your country stole from Paraguay? You do want to do the right thing and return it to its rightful, legitimate owners, do you not?
    Quite correct, angry Martin. Gibraltar is on Spain's coast. Made a double slip there, must have been tired. However you are very quiet regarding the two cities that Spain occupies on Morrocco's coast. Well?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    #50 Not so sure why you include me in that?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    JustinKuntz hi
    it was just a comment, and i did say only some of the above were bad,
    for if this does not include you, [you dont hate us]
    then it will not concern you, it realy is meant for these who hate so much, to you and others who feel a good argument is ok, then it is not intended for you.
    its good to comment and good to argue, just not to insult straight as a reply, but thank you for asking,

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Actually I don't hate anybody just the Internal Revenue Service. Do I believe that Malvinas belongs to my country, Yes! Do I agree with the 82 conflict, No. Do I believe in any history written by men, Hell no. Did I post any inflamatory stories of war to degrade the enemy, Hell no. I always try to debate the issue in an amicable way, making jokes most of the time so if I offended anybody, I do apologize. Anything else sir???

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It only concerns those who hate , no hatee no problem.
    Anything else sir???
    yes please write one hundred times, the falklands are free people who have a right to choose who they wish to be, and as an argentinian I will respect thier choice, thank you, you may now have a cuppa

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Can I copy and paste?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Most of us do at some time or other Artillero601.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    briton

    You do realise I'm British don't you. I certainly don't hate the British but I will equally criticise British posters for being assholes as much as the Argentine posters who are assholes. I have a low tolerance of assholes or warmongers.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    #50 Briton's list , you are right, Kuntz is a spy, not a real British. He works for Gaddaffi and his family came from Spain.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Do we have a double agent now? this shit is getting more interesting every time !!!

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    JustinKunt, sorry i had no idea your were british, like i said we all make mistakes, if im wrong i say im wrong, boy i said soory more times than i would like to, but hey, if im man enough to admit my error, im sure other do the same,

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    The Rock of Gibraltar is yet another beautiful British possession.
    Long may it remains so.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Tut tut Martin :) I may not be literate in Spanish, but I understand the spoken word quite a bit.

    As far as I could tell (obviously correct me if I'm wrong), the programme is peddling the little known conspiracy theory this side of the South Atlantic that the UK in 2009 intended to annex virtually all of the coast line of Patagonia to get all dem lovely barrels of oil and dem lovely fishies :)

    It then went on a bizarre tangent which involved the EU grand conspiracy theory, that the EU intends to use the Falklands and other disputed UK possessions as an entry point into Antartica and a strategic control of eeer ummm the Cape Horn passage? The most infamous and treacherous sea route known to man kind which any sensible commercial sea captain avoids like hell fire?
    Obviously the film makers have never heard of the Panama Canal

    Of course all this was meant to have happened well over 3 years ago :) have the invasion plans been postponed or something?

    And anyway why was Argentina so frightened? You claim the UN is on your side repeatedly, well it is a UN body who approves all these EEZ things innit? Was Argentina worried they might not agree with Argentina's ”we have de sovereignty over territory (we have never controlled or possesd)”, given they also ignored your EEZ claim to 3 times your own landmass, we must conclude that the UN at least in the maritime sense is not filled with idiots.

    I notice the video also did not hit upon the other theory, that it was nothing more than an attempt by the UK to challenge Argentina sovereignty claims over the afor mentioned areas, seeing as we got the first punch in it worked, Argentina was wrong footed and looked slightly silly when you bleeted that we were going to claim half of Patagonia, and then tried to treble your landmass haha tuff look tuts ;)

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    I just watched the video, I did not understand the lingo, but the union jack all over the south Atlantic was very impressive, a conspiracy theory perhaps, but looks ok, pity we cant claim it,
    Perhaps a referendum of that , Patagonia to be British may be considered,
    If it is only a conspiracy theory , it’s a good one, ,just a thought.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    61 briton (#)
    “ JustinKunt” :-))))))

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Marcos Alejandro ,

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    51 lsolde,

    “Gibraltar is on Spain's coast. Made a double slip there, must have been tired.”

    Nah... you're fine, you're just a liar that's all.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @67 Martin_Fierro, What lie have l told? l admitted l made a mistake.
    So am l correct in assuming that you have never been mistaken?
    You, o paragon of virtue, still have not answered me. Why are you avoiding the questions?
    When, if ever, do you intend giving the land back to Paraguay that you stole off them? You country stole it, now is the time to return it. your country would like to steal our land too. You cannot because of our British protection. You hate that, don't you? Well suck it up baby.
    Spain does control 2 cities ON Morrocco's coast. Don't you think that it would do their case a lot of good about the“return”of Gibraltar, if they “returned” those 2 cities to Morrocco?
    lf you don't agree with this then why not?
    And please, no lies now.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    68 lsolde,

    Argentina stole land from Paraguay? How exactly did you come to this conclusion liar?

    “Don't you think that it would do their case a lot of good about the“return”of Gibraltar, if they “returned” those 2 cities to Morrocco?”

    Surely a country still claiming 14 colonies wouldn't have any moral qualms about Spain's claim on Canary Islands, would it?

    Between 1811 and 1976 Spain has granted full independence to colonies in over 20 different countries. How many colonies has the UK granted independence to?

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Spain can return their two North African colonies if they want but Gibraltar is British and will remain British. And thats all there is to say about that.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    70 Be serious,

    About as much of a response as I expected. lol

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “How many colonies has the UK granted independence to?”

    The commonwealth lists 54 nations, some have left. 57 give or take a few. About one third of the worlds population.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Because Britain went bankrupt at the end of WW2.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    72,

    54 nations, if you say so. (don't think you had that many to being with)
    What about the other 14?

    Spain only has 1, Canary Islands... I mean since lsolde brought it up, lets really put things into perspective.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    ....and what have the other 14 and the Canary Islands got in common?

    c'mon Martin....you know what it is.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    74 The British Empire was the finest Empire the World has ever seen and you begrudge us a few islands. Whats the matter with you?

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “don't think you had that many to being with”
    Easily. The commonwealth is a group of nations who were given independence, some didn't join the commonwealth.

    “What about the other 14?”

    If they want to stay with us they are welcome to.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    so basically the concept of conquering people against their will is OK? because you guys are fine?

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    78 Not really. Thats what Argentina wants to do to the Falkland islands.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Are we playing dumb or my “Google Translate” is not working properly??

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “so basically the concept of conquering people against their will is OK? because you guys are fine?”

    The islanders want to be british, nothing we are doing is against there will.

    Be serious is right, what Argentina wants to do is rule these people against there will.

    You could ask yourself the same question.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Actually I was referring to the Fine British Empire .....

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    76“The British Empire was the finest Empire the World has ever seen and you begrudge us a few islands Whats the matter with you?”
    Are you serious Be serious?

    My Island Home - Chagos Islands
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg&feature=fvwrel

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    My Island Home - Chagos Islands

    And that is why the UK should not repeat that injustice. by keeping hold of the falklands,still as the argies say about the dirty war “that was a long time ago”

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    81,

    “The islanders want to be british, nothing we are doing is against there will.”

    Of course it's not against your will, you're all British, you're all the UK.

    There are no “Falklanders” as a distinct separate people, it's all a scheme... a FAKE so you can play the “self-determination” card at the UN.

    See? Now we're getting somewhere. ;-)

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    That must have been some pretty powerful crystal ball technology we had in 1833 Martin to concoct this dastardly scheme to play “self-determination” at an international body 120 years later LOL :)

    Anyway who oh great and glorious one, gave you the divine right and the last word in deciding peoples right to define themselves? Answer..uuum no one!

    lets turn this one on your head:

    “There are no Malvinas as an integral part of the Great Glorious Peronist Repbulic of Argentina, it's all a scheme... a FAKE so Argentina can play the territorial integrity at the UN”

    You such a muppet, a dog turd has far more visible signs of intelligence than your deluded ravings.....

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    82 We can debate the rights and wrongs of the British Empire if you want. Big subject but then it was a Big Empire.

    85 So you accept self determination is a card that can be played.
    You're right we are getting somewhere.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @Martin_Fierro, don't you just love twisting facts to support your ridiculous statements. Your post just reveals your ignorance, liar.
    Check your own history to see where you expanded into Paraguay after the War of the Triple Alliance. You still haven't answered fool. When does your thieving country intend giving the land back?
    l was not talking about the Canary lslands. l said in an earlier post the cities of Ceuta & Melilla which are ON the coast of Morrocco.
    l asked you if you thought that if Spain“returned”these cities to Morrocco, would it help in Spain's claim to Gibraltar?
    You haven't answered that either.
    All you did was to TRY to evade the issue & start bleating on about the former British Empire, now Commonwealth.
    But thats typical of you Argentines, if you don't like truth you attack the messenger. You sir, are a cad.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “so basically the concept of conquering people against their will is OK? because you guys are fine?”

    Do i personally agree with it? No. But i am a product of my time and i've grew up in democracy. European empires were a product of there time; as all the rest before.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    so why is it that everytime we have a discussion the “Desert Campaign” and the take over of the Indian territories are brought up to the debate .....

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    90 Don't know. What is the “Desert campaign and the take over of the Indian territories”?

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Because Artillero it shows the irony of the pathetic calls about victimhood over the Falklands that Argentine politicians and nationalists make.

    How can any self respecting politician rant about the theft of a group of islands 400 km from your coast.....from within the confines of land that was also thieved, but on a slightly more epic scale.

    It just seems to me double standards......Argentina takes over huge tracks of land.....Muy Bueno! No crime ere guvn'or!

    The UK takes a very modest slice of the South Atlantic, and suddenly we're worst than hitler with evil henious designs to subvert Argentina and kill all the penguins :)

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @92, Rhaurie, exactly! the problem is that they don't like to lose or admit that they are wrong. We've won some & we've lost some. You can't win all the time, but we've got over it & moved on. They don't seem to be able to. They convinced themselves that Britain was going to be a pushover, much like Mussolini with his“decadent effeminate democracies” in 1940. That we fought back & retook OUR land profoundly shook them. Their government fell as a consequence. We all know this of course, just reiterating!
    What a country going to waste, it should be the showcase of South America.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Two statements of note always get me chuckling....the first “No Argentine army can lose on Argentine soil”

    - How wrong did that statement prove to be :)
    As the 2 IC of 2 para after Goose Green said: “Despite all the propaganda that this was scared Argentine soil to die for, they just didn't have the fight in them, which makes me think they really did not think this was a cause worth losing their lives over”

    the second one: An Intel corps officer when interviewing one of his Argentine counterparts, who gave him an astonishing pre war assessment of the British armed forces: “We we're told time and time again that the British Army is a pathetic spent fighting force, and is rampant with homosexuality, and that Argentine troops were far superior and Macho”....“We also concluded that Britain would not do anything, because of the distances involved and that due to the draw down of forces in the South Atlantic Britain did not really believe the territory to be hers, even up until the point that the task force was sailing of the Malvinas, we still believed this to be an impotent show of force, having based all our assessments on the British reaction form the Goa conflict 20 years earlier”

    Need I say more :) If no Argentine army could lose on Argentine soil and the British were inferior soldiers to Argentines, there must have indeed been black magic at work :)

    .......hence Martins allegations of the Super genetically modified Dolphin men of the US navy super cobra ninja squad XD LOL!

    Yes it did shake them, obviously questions had to be asked, but the most obvious it appears are still ignored......that the UK really does believe this is its sovereign territory and the UK really was looking after its citizens interests.
    Of course the simplest explanations are no where near as fun as the mega oil darwin clifton penguin assassin theories that More-crap and the rest of the Goon platoon beleive :)

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    94 Rhaurie-Se Cagawell “We we're told time and time again that the British Army is a pathetic spent fighting force, and is rampant with homosexuality”
    Well, the first part was proven in Iraq and the second one you can see it yourself in the video below, filmed at Malvinas islands.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Great video, just goes to show how you can be happy in your work
    british [gay and happy
    argentina, queer and sick ?

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    yes Mrcos, we've seen this before, but its funny though.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Trust me ! when you are in a hole for more than 30 days, you start doing weird things to keep yourself entretained ... nothing wrong with that!

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    98 artillero601, Oooohhh, please tell us more, did you post your video in YouTube as well? I am sure Briton and Isolde will love to watch it :-)))

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    lol!!

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC
    Isn't “that” one of the main reasons people choose a military career in the first place?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @101 ....I don't think so Mr Think. Some countries allow homosexuals to serve , some don't. In my times (in Argentina) , they were not allowed, now ? I don't know what the policy is. Here in the US, people want to revoke the ” Don't ask, don't tell policy ....will see what happens. if you want to talk about being bisexual in Ancient times, that's a different subject all together

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Just pulling your “Macho” leg, Artillero…

    How was that little song?

    …..Un canto de honda emoción
    a la Patria, de acento viril ……. :-)

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajajaja!!!! I recommend the following songs ...“El Tala” (I have it as my ring tone), Gral Belgrano, Avenida de la Camelias “ and the one I like the most ” La Marcha Libertadora” !!!!!!!!!!!!! you are making me cry Mr Think!!

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    What a crappy selection of stuffy military marches!

    Here is something better for you….

    Women, Weapons and Values………….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRVtlTwFs8

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Here is another one
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxtwzU0-wPM&feature=related

    But I had to admit I like also these two as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxtwzU0-wPM&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxtwzU0-wPM&feature=related

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @105 crappy selection???????????
    @106 estamos hablando de marchas miltares y no de canciones marxistas leninistas , para propaganda zurda mejor no opino porque no me quiero calentar .....se entiende?

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @105Think, looks like it might be an interesting film. l'll try to get it Cher Think.

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @106 & @ 105 a ver Marcos si aprendes algo y no me digas que este video no te hace poner la piel de gallina ....sino es que no sos Argentino

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hAVdqhIIu0&feature=related

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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