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Budget dispute forces US to appeal to pensions’ funds to pay the country’s bills
United States reached the legal limits of its borrowing authority as a top Republican increased his party's demand for deep spending cuts as part of any increase. The remarks by Representative Paul Ryan, the top budget writer in the House of Representatives, underscored the divisions that Republicans and Democrats will have to overcome in order to raise the 14.3 trillion US dollars debt limit and avoid a default that would roil markets across the globe. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYep, just grab it (pensions that is getting worthless by the day, fall of the dollar) and waste it...
May 17th, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not understand your comment. Please explain.
May 17th, 2011 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1. That is what the government did in Argentina.
May 17th, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but the difference is that U.S. will pay it all back, with interest.
May 17th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but the difference is that U.S. will pay it all back, with interest.
May 17th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahahah, with what Jerry? Pay it back in worthless dollars?
Huh? Do you really believe there is a lock box where the pension is, huh?Get real, what they will do is print print print print (digital) and you can kiss your pension good bye, it's becoming worthless. Yeah, they will pay it back, duh, but what is it going to be worth? Nothing...clown.
Is there some kind of amnesia in Argentina? They are still the trophy holders for the biggest debt default in history.
May 17th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have mentioned before that when Argentina's economy collapsed - just ten short years ago - it was decided that if funding was withdrawn it would have little effect outside of the country, though there might be some minor damage to Brazil's economy. And that is the key. Argentina's demise at that time had little effect on the rest of the world. If the US suffered the same fate - and it won't - the global consequences would be so catastrophic that it could not be allowed to happen.
Do I think it is fair? No, but it is fact.
Do I agree with the actions of the IMF regarding Argentina ten years ago? No but worse was the actions of the bond traders. And Argentina was culpable for acting totally irresponsibly.
I agree that the US will repay the money. What I don't undersatnd is why anyone living in a country that has experiences the horrors of being bankrupt - the raging inflation; the looting and rioting; the suicides of good people that lost everything - would leap up and down excitedly at the thought of the possibility of anyone else going through that experience.
There are some extraordinarily infantile and unpleasant people posting on this board.
“Is there some kind of amnesia in Argentina? They are still the trophy holders for the biggest debt default in history.”
May 17th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not for LONG, just take a good look at what is happening in Europe..(Spain is next). Default is better than pay of a debt that doesn't belong to the people. The Argentine people are still being punish for what their crooked leaders did with the same crooked banks (JP morgan, HSBC etc ) Sounds familiar Elaine? do your homework, because the same pirates are already there in the UK (Bailout for me the banker and Austerity Measures for you)
“If the US suffered the same fate - and it won't ”
Koolaid drinkers like you, I enjoy them. we need more (not). Elaine, do your homework better if you like to talk about it, because the US is already middle of the mess, but on a bigger scale. Holders of US treasuries are already dumping them (openly but lowly, fast and stealthy). One of the biggest private bond holders (PIMCO) is already shorten US treasuries, why? because they know the real deal (they are worthless, sell before it's to late). Inflation is already picking up, though you won't see that in the cpi index because the according mr Bernanke..food and energy prices do not belong in that measurement. Housing, still a mess, Foreclosures are still going up, personal bankrupties (home and credit cards) is rising, though consumer spending is still going up, how? credit card is still dominating the payments (bad), though cash is becoming king. It all sounds doom and gloom, but that is the reality. another great meassurment is, look at the dollar, it's in decline (gold, silver up) and will continue to decline. They can't pay off the Trillions of dollar debt. solution, inflate the dollar=bad news for holders of dollars, but guess what, the rest of the world does pay attention.
“I agree that the US will repay the money”
Sure, again with what? worthless paper money. Do your homework.
It unexpected/unthinkable, is becoming reality in the so called “west”
Elaine, it's not something I'm happy about or wish for. Reality is, we are in it. It's happening infront of our eyes, while most of us still believe they can solve the mess we're in, through the ballot box, voting for clowns who do not represent the people at all but the bankers.
May 17th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0unfortunately, majority are still in DENIAL, and that's why it only will get worse till. When will they wake up? When it's to late...as usual.
History repeats, over and over again. Sad!
What can you do? Do your homework, inform yourself, protect yourself.
I'm buying silver as much as I can and ignore those pundits on of the corporate media Bloomberg and CNBC.
“There are some extraordinarily infantile and unpleasant people posting on this board.”
May 17th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some Tea drinkers/Koolaid drinkers here who are in denial, of what's happening to their so called “developed nation”, prefer to stick with their fairy tale world in their head, and are scared to read that it's in decline.
Just out of interest, what is a Koolaid drinker? I don't know that expression as an English person. : )
May 17th, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do my research thoroughly and, more importantly, try to look at the problems with compassion rather than as a competition for the Worst Run Economy In The World. (I could think of a few contenders).
I was truly moved by the stories told to me by Argentines that lived through the crisis ten years ago, it was a humanising balance to the numerous economics books I read of the subject. Behind all those mind-blowing figures and disasterous, reckless decisions were the real victims.
I am more than aware of the situation in the US and how it is going to affect this and the next generation of Europeans as we pay work our way out of the mess. But I am absolutely certain that we will; because we have to.
Silver is good; as is gold.
A kool aid drinker is a “negative” phrase of a person who's a strong believer in something that can be proved wrong, but still doesn't want to know it.
May 17th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this case, a person who believes that the US is doing fine like in the good old days, while facts are showing different (the reality), is a koolaid drinker. Keep drinking the koolaid that's being served, ice cold, by those pundits on tv that everything is just fine.
“Silver is good; as is gold.”
Both are great, but silver is better for me, because of my budget and it's cheaper (Gold too, adjusted of inflation), pure by manipulation..by who?
I already mentioned the two banks (Same banks who screwed Argentines in 2001) who are the greatest manipulators in silver and can be brought to their knees if more people by silver. This is a great opportunity for Argentines to take revenge. For me..pure protection.
Re Koolaid: Thanks for the explanation. I don't think I fit the description. : )
May 17th, 2011 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10/ Elaine
May 17th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George Soros dumped in Gold ! ( ~ 800 millions US $)
My investments are spread rather differently, but thanks!!!!
May 17th, 2011 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George Soros dumped in Gold ! ( ~ 800 millions US $)
May 17th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0George Soros the manipulator dumped it's gold while Central banks around the world are BUYERS.
“My investments are spread rather differently, but thanks!!!! ”
I hope they for you they aren't stocks that being manipulated by HFT AND aren't priced in Euro's, Dollars or British pounds...(Federal Reserve, EC, Bank of England, all 3 low interest rates and print digital money that isn't worth the paper) :D :D :D. Enjoy the ponzi scheme.
It is interesting isn't it? There has been much rumour about what could replace the US$ as the international currency and a return to gold has been mentioned.
May 17th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trust me, I would never put my finances in the hands of someone offering ridiculously unsustainable returns. That attracts the greedy, not the wise investor. If something seems to good to be true, it usually is.
Elaine,
May 18th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fido tells me that I drink KoolAid,
but I really drink a blended whisky mixer with Guarana over ice. Not the erzatz Coca Cola Kuat 'Guarana' - the real thing. A nice long-drink.
. . . . . and a special single malt as the sun goes down (habit of a lifetime).
Brasilian beach-bar drinks are strictly weekend.
Fido tells me that I drink KoolAid,
May 18th, 2011 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0I typed that because I though you were an American. Good to know you're tea drinker with bad teeth. Now you only miss your cucumber sandwiches.
I really drink a blended whisky mixer with Guarana over ice
Elaine doesn't know what that is.
You are right, I don't know what Guarana is! lol Maybe when I finally get to Brazil I can try it. I enjoy a good whisky but tend towards the stereotypical with a G & T once the sun is over the yardarm.
May 18th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0sometimes i take drinks which are my invented ,some are alcoholic some are nonalcoholic .
May 18th, 2011 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the UK, the Socialists (known then as the Labour Party, or New Labour) , when in Government, did a major raid of the Pension Funds of the UK people.
May 18th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0This allowed them to keep on spending like there was no tomorrow, borrowing further using their raided cash-flow collateral, and going to war.
The debt repayment - for Britain will always repay its debts in full with interest - will be spread over generations.
It will severely limit the opportunities of those presently living in the UK, and those of their children and their offspring.
I would not wish this on any country, especially Argentina, where they are still trying to get over the last collapse and default.
I am not sure New Labour could be called socialist. : ) Like the US our parties are all blending into shades of centre to right wing. JMO But I absolutely agree about the orgy of spending they embarked on, buying extra years in power. And let us not forget Gordon Brown selling our gold reserves for candyfloss.
May 18th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Times are going to be tough for a lot of people, for a long time.
- Average annual public spending as a % of GDP was lower in the years 1998-2010 (38%) than in the years 1980-1997 (40%) whereas average annual taxation was the same at 36 % of GDP.
May 19th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Public spending fell from 38% of GDP in 1997 to 35% in 2000. From 2000 onwards, the Labour government began to spend money on run-down schools and hospitals. Thus public spending increased to 39% of GDP in 2007 – and then to 45% in 2010, as the effects of the financial crisis took hold and the government rightly followed the Keynesian rule that spending increases should be counter-cyclical.
- Margaret Thatcher described Blair as “my greatest legacy” because he had rejected what she saw as Labour’s core principle of “tax and spend”. Accordingly, Gordon Brown kept to the previous Conservative government’s spending plans for the first 3 years. But they had been elected to improve neglected public services and so were committed to increase spending. Much of New Labour’s electoral success was due to its appeal to voters who wanted it both ways – better schools and hospitals but no tax increases. Likewise, much of the vitriol now directed at Gordon Brown comes from those same fools.
- The structural deficit was only 3.5% of GDP when Brown left the Treasury in 2007, compared to 4% in 1997 and an annual average of 5.5% in the years 1992-1996. According to IFS data, the UK has run a structural deficit for all but five of the last forty years. In fact, the last 3 Labour governments managed to earn enough to cover their spending for 3 of their 13 years in office, whereas Thatcher and Major only managed balance the books for 2 out of 17 years. Sure, austerity drones can blather on about economic cycles, but the fact remains that New Labour’s fiscal policies were little different from those of the Thatcher and Major governments.
Pablo #23
May 19th, 2011 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not talking about different models of financial management, just the extent to which a particular party, the Labour Party/Nu-Labour, ran a coach and horses through the ‘rules’ of prudence and ran up HUGE national debts.
In the example you refer to:
Public Private Partnerships – especially Private Finance Initiatives for schools and hospitals – gave ‘instant’ gratification whilst deferring the bulk of the payment decades into the future.
Thus the government of the day took the benefit but did not pay the cost.
The accumulated compound debt never appears on the Public Balance Sheet - because it was, and is, treated as ‘fees for providing a service’ by the Treasury, rather than an ‘asset bought in installments’.
It has saddled present and future UK governments with massive debts which Labour steadfastly refused to accept as public debt.
[Actually, this is quietly accepted by both parties, as both are culpable – though distinctly unequally, as the massively greater bulk of the debt was accumulated on Labour’s watch]
Wow this is getting interesting come on lads going on haha.
May 20th, 2011 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ElaineB
I will use your own words to answer you captious question:
What I don’t understand (you have made an spelling error there) is why anyone living in a country that has experiences the horrors of the war (like UKI in WWII) and bankrupt, the ranging inflation (1945/70), the looting and rioting (like in Brixton, etc) the suicides of good people that lost everything (like in UKI in the 70 and the 90). Would leap up and down excitedly at the thought to bomb to any country in Africa and Middle East and also laugh about Zimbabwe.
I know, I know you will says that you have ever bombed any country and that you are not responsible, etc.
Well we didn’t lend money to UK or US to end like Zimbabwe, we didn’t laugh about the killing in WWII, etc.
But you ladies and gentlemen seem to feel above of the natural laws ha ha ha and you are not. Since you are mortals humans. USA and Uki crappy press makes laugh any time they can about Greece, Ireland Portugal, etc. You also have made joke names as PIGS to pop up your self-inflated sense of superiority.
Ok I agree that most of these countries have a psychological inferiority complex and that it is a lot of fun to make jokes about this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8510603.stm
So you will not be so selfish to not allow us to make jokes when you will be like Zimbabwe or worse.
You have made a lot of jokes when Argentina defaulted and? We didn’t care and stand up alone.
Now we will see of what you are made of and how much humiliation you will be willing to accept.
When British and Americans will have to clean Mexican toilets to survive.
Hahah ha ha. I want to have one ha ha
Defaults, riots, violence, bankruptcy and starvation are marks into the history of a nation.
We will take revenge for the Poor Greeks, Irish, N Irish, Iraqi, Afghani, Pakistani, Indian, darkies, polish and whatever your have humiliated and made laugh of.
Revenge is the pleasure of the gods:)
What a strange person you are. I honestly do not understand most of your post or the point you are trying to make. You appear to be very confused, or young, so maybe someone else can decipher your ravings.
May 20th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A couple of phrases do stand out:
The use of the word 'darkies' is highly offensive. I have only heard it used in Argentina and South Africa in recent decades. It is completely unacceptable.
Why single Mexicans out as being at the bottom of the social strata? What is wrong with earning an honest living cleaning the bathrooms of Mexicans? Do you consider that to be working for the lowest of the low?
I would have no problem working in any capacity for anyone if I needed to. Drop the superior attitude because you have no reason to feel superior to anyone.
[] Elaine
May 20th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ikimap.com/map/2CYF
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-68235.html
May 20th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ElaineB
May 21st, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 01- None of the post above was made by Argentineans but was enough for you to don’t miss an opportunity to lunch your ironic joke:
“ Is there some kind of amnesia in Argentina? They are still the trophy holders for the biggest debt default in history. Bla, bla”
BTW Fido is Dutch.
2- Then you say that “And Argentina was culpable for acting totally irresponsibly”.
Wow that is and statement. Isn’t it? But coming this from a British person from the irresponsible nation who together with US created the whole mess and that owes to the world 11 trillions dollars your level of arrogance is really gorgeous (I hope you understand the word Gorgeous is English) ha ha.
And you say what? that I fell superior ha ha ha silly very silly
3- Then as its was not enough for you, you continue with all these sentiment rubbish as coming from Mars here my version “Oh poor British they are going to swap toilets I don’t agree with that but sorry its necessary I guess to minimise the impact in the world” world peace.
4- You say that you don’t understand my post well I think we both have the same problem you sounds like a girl in an American contest to become the Queen of the Orange juice in Florida. World peace and love our soldier in Afghanistan. Am I so cute?
5- Darkies Oh poor Elaine she doesn’t know that in Britain people use darky, darkies, paki, nigger, niga, etc and all kind of words like that.
True Brits and Darkie Day: Is It Racist? I don’t know and you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvZdP55FSQs
But you Elaine only heard the word darky in SA and Argentina and from me its funny very funny I didn’t know that we was creating a new English vocabulary.
6- “Drop the superior attitude because you have no reason to feel superior to anyone.”
I’m from London and the English race who ruled the world is gone ha ha a good example of humble brits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvZdP55FSQs
What can I say Elaine I have a good school is that my fault?
Ha ha World peace
Why would anyone take joy in the miseries of others? Especially when they have suffered those miseries. That was my point. I don't understand that kind of attitude; never will.
May 21st, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Racism is, sadly, a part of life but never have I seen it as overt as my travels in South America (especially Argentina) and South Africa. You seem to think it is just fine to use derogatory, racist terms like 'darkie'. It isn't. If you live in London you will know that racist comments like that can land you in serious trouble, but more importantly, you should know better than to behave like that. No one likes a racist.
There is only one super power in the world atm and that is the US.
Economic power will likely change over the next decades with the rise of the BRIC countries - Brazil, Russia, India and China. The world goes around and circumstances change.
I'll say again, I never click on links. If you have a point to make use your own words rather than trying to support a weak point with videos from youtube.
@ElaineB
May 21st, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why would anyone take joy in the miseries of others? Especially when they have suffered those miseries. That was my point. I don't understand that kind of attitude; never will.”
Well I gave you an example before using your own words, tell me why a country like Britain who suffered the misery of the 2 world wars enjoys so much bombing everyone and is a warmongering nation together with USA?. Do you have any explanation?
It is no so difficult to understand.
“If you live in London you will know that racist comments like that can land you in serious trouble, but more importantly, you should know better than to behave like that. No one likes a racist.”
Really? Where are you from? I heard Bloody F@king Niga al the time. Are you sure you have been in London?
Well Britain is full of racist in fact the skinheads is from your own factory and as you don’t like to click on my links allow me you quote here.
“A skinhead is a member of a subculture that originated among working class youths in the United Kingdom”
There is a tell that says “all ways conduce to Rome”
My tell “all racist ways conduce to London” ha ha
The husband of your queen makes racist jokes all the time. And Philip was a Nazi lover
“Prince Harry's gaff - My Paki friend”
Are you joking?
Are you really from Britain?
Can you see how nice is our Britain love?
BTW have you noted that on this forum is full of derogative statements to Us as Dagos, Nazis, etc, etc?
I didn’t see you so upset for the derogative terms from your fellow countrymen. Well really we don care because we laugh I like Argies and Dagos and I like for Brits Mohammeds.
And Ukistan for UK fair is fair.
What happen don’t you like the Mohammed name? For me is really nice you should be proud of your name has a mystical and spiritual connotations. At least you give to it another connotation. Who knows?
: )
Ah, so you just visited London? Is that right? You don't make it clear. I spend a lot of time in the city and don't hear that kind of racist language. I am not saying it doesn't happen - there are ignorant people everywhere - but you seem to be proud of using racist language.
May 21st, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can try to understand or not. I do NOT condone racist comments from ANYONE. If you are as well educated and intelligent as you claim, you would not use racist terms EVER. It is that simple.
Nico,
May 21st, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm trying to engage with you through our comments, but you are making it difficult.
Elaine is not 'The Enemy', and treating her as such makes the cut and thrust of debate less of an intellectual pleasure and more like the kicking to death of an antagonist in a gutter fight.
There is a place for such a tactic (just) in war, but this is a forum for the meeting of minds which - as globalisation brings us all closer together - ought to bring pleasure to argument.
Please try to replace hate with pleasure.
i don't think Nico has any racist ideas !
May 22nd, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/6541
@ElaineB
May 22nd, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 01-Dear, I lived in London, 2 years.
2- Is British racist language no Argie or mime. What can I do?
3-Don’t kill the postman because the letter brings bad news for you.
4- In Argentina (a different culture than yours) terms as Negro/Negra has not racist connotation or are them derogative terms on the contrary.
Quote from wiki:
“However, in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina .... negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends[9] or people in general independent of skin color”
“In Spanish, negro literally means “black male” and negra means “black female”. Negro and negra are widely-used terms in Argentina, across all social classes, including in those classes which are referred to as negro and negra by other social groups. Negro is also one of the most common nicknames, with no offensive meaning.”
So you can be redhead with blue eyes and white as milk and your friends will call you Negro/Negra especially in the Argies provinces.
Also whites redhead can be called “Colo” “El Colo” “Colorado” relative with read by friends “viene el colo a la fiesta hoy?” “The red is coming to the party today?”
So you are making your interpretations over Argie’s culture though out your British values and we are not British or in Britain. Do we?
We don’t have such problems with nicknames and colours. Why we should?
: )
@ GeoffWard
The same for you my friend I didn’t see you upset when your fellows countrymen treated like rubbish to Malen, she also is a woman and she said that she had aborigine ancestors and comments like this were made and even more offensive.
By Moham expat
“The story about slaves and the genocide of the indians during the campaña del desierto i read them in argentine history books ,there is a writer who can tell you the same story and worser ones,that is osvaldo bayer, Pigna is also an historian who can affirm this.
: )
@35 You seem unable to take responsibility for the words YOU used or understand how inappropriate it is to use racist language. You were not using the terms as nicknames but in a derogatory manner.
May 22nd, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As always, your response it to try to deflect responsibilty by quoting something someone else said as if that makes it OK for you to be a racist; It doesn't. You are responsible for how you behave and the words you use.
And I just do not buy your excuse that it is a cultural issue and that it is fine for you to be a racist because you are an Argentine. My Argentine friends would heartily disagree with you and do not tolerate racism either.
I don't think we can agree on this or any other issue so it is probably best not to continue conversing, if only to save other contributors from a headache.
32 ElaineB:
May 22nd, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just to inform you. Nico claims to have lived in London, This is a lie. He unfortunately decided to claim he lived in my own local area. Yet while claiming to live ten minuites away from where i do he did not know any of the local landmarks namely the fact that islington has two massive prisons(both of whom you must pass to reach or Camden or Kings cross).
It's not information that you could for instance easily google, but anyone living in this part of london knows about them.
@37. OK, thanks. : ) I had pretty much given up on having any kind of debate with him anyway.
May 22nd, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TBO the only time I am in Islington is to visit Sadlers Wells but I know of the prisons you are referring to. : )
He also once told me that because the buildings in Argentine are built from concrete, Buenos aires is immune to nuclear weapons.
May 22nd, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's a very special young person.
@Zethee
May 23rd, 2011 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good try mate just you who claimed to be a Londoner that didn’t know what was in Leicester Square because you spend a lot of time in your local pubs in Finsbury Park. ha ha ha
And that also claimed to have the best food in the world.
I told you that if you have doubts for 50k USD I can show you my NIN. Ha ha and if I’m lying I will give you 100k.
About the nuclear stuff I only gave you simple physic answer to your stupid affirmation about that you with your nuclear arsenal can make disappear Argentina from the face of earth. Only a stupid person watching a lot of Rambo’s films can say something so stupid than that.
An here a scientific rough explanation of that. The registered forces in Japan (earthquake, Tsunami, etc) was thousand of times bigger than the whole nuclear arsenal in the world.
Did you see the Japan mass of land is disappearing? I guess Japan is still there no?
Quote:
“In January 1855 an earthquake in southeastern New Zealand lifted a block of the Rimutaka mountain range measuring 90 miles by 20 miles by ten feet. Such a feat would require the simultaneous explosion of several thousand atomic bombs.”
Well seems that your nuclear arsenal it not enough to bring down even a little rock. How you will make disappear a mass of land close to the size of Western Europe?
And then I made a comparison to show your stupidity about the impact of the damages in between Britain a flat city most made of common bricks and wood that easy set on fire with Buenos Aires made of solid concrete buildings with foundations grounded deeply of a 3er of the high of the building.
I also showed you a picture of the impact of a hydrogen bomb exploded by the Russians of 57 Megatons in an empty space (not structures opposing resistance) that only affected a 35 K/R.
And as that was enough I showed pictures of Hiroshima where solid buildings remained there and that only wood houses and minor structures where destroyed by the blast.
: )
I have no desire to converse with you, I only posted to demonstrate the extent of your insanity to ElaineB.
May 23rd, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can now go back to ignoring your every word.
where is Superman or Mickey mouse?
May 23rd, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can hear someone whispering may be a ghost out there?
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