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Falklands’ “is not negotiable”; UK calls for talks with Argentina on other issues
Britain again categorically rejected any Falkland Islands sovereignty negotiations with Argentina and reiterated that London’s position on the issue “has not changed at all”. However “as has been standing policy”, the UK is always ready to discuss issues of common interest in the South Atlantic. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ ... sovereignty negotiations will only take place if the people of the Falkland Islands making use of their right to self determination so decide ...”
Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... underlining that “as far as the Falklands maintain their interest in remaining as British sovereign territory, they should remain that way”, and there is not much more to say about it...”
“ ... “the people of the Falkland Islands have a right to self-determination, enshrined in international law” ...”
Says it all. Sorted !!
:-)
Correct, nothing else to say...........
Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotten www.cuestionmalvinas.com.ar/modules.php?
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands were part of the area under jurisdiction of Spain since the entry into force of the first international instrument to delimit the “New World” soon after its discovery in 1492.Papal Bulls and the Treaty of Tordesillas of 1494 are the first instruments titles of Spain in accordance with international law at the time.
Since the early sixteenth century and for much the same, only navigators in the service of Spain traveled shipping lanes along the American coast, advancing southwards in search of an inter-oceanic passage.This breakthrough was the discovery of the Falkland Islands by members of Magellan's expedition in 1520.From that time were recorded on European maps with different names and were within the areas under effective control of the Spanish authorities.
During the seventeenth century the Malvinas Islands were sighted by navigators from other nations who had ventured into Spanish domains at the risk of provoking reactions and protests from Spain whenever it received news of such expeditions.But the whole southern region of America, its coasts, seas and islands, indisputably remained under Spanish sovereignty over the various treaties signed in the period, as the Treaty “American” of 1670 between Spain and England La Paz Utrecht, signed in 1713, assured the integrity of the possessions of Spain in South America and confirmed its exclusive right of navigation in the South Atlantic.England accepted these clauses as a signatory to the agreements and treaty of Utrecht of the eighteenth century after it ratified.However, by mid-century, the Falklands began to be the interest of Great Britain and France, which were seeking to establish a strategically located across the Strait of Magellan.
In 1749 Spain received news of a British project to settle the Malvinas Islands and strongly protested to the government of Britain, therefore, decided against it out.On January 31, 1764 came to these Islands
the last paragraph is not true !
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0first , become a prestigious REPUBLIC .. then come to talk !
There is noting to discus with UKi but sovereignty.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm, Kiwisarg. Argentina inherited nothing from Spain, so everything you have posted above is 100% irrelevant.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi'sarse, the Papal Bull did not apply to the UK and was rejected by it. So .... no banana ! Uti Possidetis Juris does not apply to the Falkland islands.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spain only found out about the French in 1766 and the French didn't know about us. There's no evidence that the French ever tried to make a claim. We did!
:-)
What's more, that history is all very interesting and some of it debatable, but at the end of the day irrelevant. It became so when both the UK and Argentina signed and ratified the UN Charter. The Falkland Islanders have a right to self determination. They want to remain British for the time being and that is that. Argentina can collectively shove an alfajor up its arse.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 NotevenaKiwi'sarse...
Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0rte Papal Bull(shit)....
Rule Number One.... you cannot give away what is not yours.
Rule Number Two... refer rule Number One
Suck that down you papist prat.....
ps.... got your mother to write that for you did you?
Entirely correct JARoberts. All this interminable arguing about history, whilst interesting, is irrelevant, because it is the wishes of the people of this country that must and will determine our future in accordance with the UN Covenant.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Referandum can be made at Falkland/Malvinas Islas .
Jun 18th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0has two options are
1) do u want to be full independent ?
or
2) do u want to stay on a UK region as of today ?
“The FCO spokesperson recalled that London has also been consistent in welcoming discussions with Argentina referred to issues of common interests in the South Atlantic”
Jun 18th, 2011 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the main problem, Britain doesn't belong there nor is welcome anymore.
South Atlantic my rear end, is Argentina-South America.
South Atlantic my rear end, is Argentina-South America
Jun 18th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ego anyone
3 Kiwisarg
Jun 18th, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you actually read the treaties you mention, you would see that what you posted is complete bollocks.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35496118/The-Treaties-That-Were-Not-Broken
“In 1749 Spain received news of a British project to settle the Malvinas Islands and strongly protested to the government of Britain, therefore, decided against it out.”
This was the British response to the Spanish protest
“His Majesty could in no respect agree to the reasoning of the Spanish ministry as to his right to send out ships for the discovery of the unknown and settled parts of the world, as this was a right indubitably open to all; yet, as his Britannic Majesty was desirous of showing his Catholic Majesty his great complacency in matters where the rights and advantages of his own subjects were not immediately and intimately concerned, he had consented to lay aside for the present every scheme that might possibly give umbrage to the court of Madrid.”
ie no recognition of Spanish exclusivity in the region
geo. The Falklands are not a region of the UK. They are legally separate.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the UN they could do any of the following:
1. become independent
2. associate themselves with Argentina or any other country
3. integrate themselves with the UK (then they would be a region of the UK), Argentina or any other country.
4. maintain the status quo, ie a free association with the UK
[] 15 - JAR
Jun 18th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0u never love gloomy country Argentina ! u may be right ....
i know u lived some 70s - 80s years there ,... i guess u observed
many mysterious self-Argentine social behaviours there....
but i must say that any readers of these comment marathon may
think Falkland areas might have any confidential activities...
argentina doesn´t need other issues. sorry
Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17BHayes,
Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and we don't need Argentina. so lets keep it that way, hey?
sorry isolde, but uk is saying to talk about others issues.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only issue is sovereignty.
tic tac is running. uk must leave south atlantic; peace for kelpers. freedom for them, peck is asking.
in 1982 RNavy had aprox. 60 warships, today only 23, after final cuts only 19 and no carriers.
in 1982 RNavy had aprox. 60 warships, today only 23, after final cuts only 19 and no carriers.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'll still have more than you, plus you forgot to mention our subs.
The UK is in the South Atlantic to stay, whatever happens to the Falklands. Don't forget SGSSI!
Geo- one problem with your referendum- Independence, we simply cannot even think about it unless Argentina would recognize it! You get Arg to state that they will accept and recognize Falklands Independence - then we have a possible solution to the problem that could satisfy all sides with no loss of face by Argentina, a win-win.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I wont hold my breath waiting!
“Essentially our position remains the same”
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike theirs, that is always fidgeting, makes, you wonder if one wishes to go or not ?
The people of the Falkland Islands have a right to self-determination,
What right then has argentine to remove this?
The Falklands seek nothing more than neighbourly relations
Argentina, is of the opinion that says, we don’t want to be your neighbour, we want to be you masters ,
“Argentina is an important partner of the UK
Isn’t that nice, once again the very polite British hold out their hand of friendship, [even if the Argentinian shark wants to bite it off.
Does this not show the true standing and respect that the British carry,
Rather than a fool with a cap like, with bells on, like the Argentinian government .
What’s the difference between the CFK – and the KFC,
They both use chickens ??.
[] 21 - islander
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the basic problem is not you &your position ..
the main problem is the present outmoded UK structure ..
they have no balance set standarts at anywhere of the world...
their structure must be changed and reorganized....
@23geo,
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says who? do you mean changed and reorganised to suit you?
4# geo did you know that UK support argentina position in G-20?
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i tell you this because you said its not true the last paragraph...
Islander, I hope your independence, argentine goal is uk to leave south atlantic.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well with the hand of god, it may be argentina that leaves the south atlantic .
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 25 -- sear
Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G-20 's patron is not UK , also no one has veto power there !
interesting that Argentina exist but Spain absent in G-20 !
@26 The only country that can really put any pressure and complaint about the UK's presence in the South Atlantic is Brasil. That is the bottom line
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 29 -- artio
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0how ?
my point is that Brasil has no global strategical vision yet !
@30 They are spending a lot of money in Defense and is not to protect Ipanema for sure. As a superpower in the making , the control of the South Atlantic is a must.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 31 --
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if they build a military pact together with Argentina / (Para/Uruguay)
then ...maybe !
@32 Geo !! my good friend, we don't have Armed Forces anymore !!!
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] 33 --
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Netherland ,Belgium .... some others have no armed forces but
they are NATO members........
True ! and you like you say, we don't have a Pact yet ! Anyways during Nicolaides in the 80's the Army had @ 150,000 efectivos, now is 25,000 and we barely cover the payroll and that's about it.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy. that goes with Independence- of course UK would leave the Islands and no longer be the overall governing power, we would become a sort of mini NewZealand or similar. That is why it would be impossible unless Argentina would agree to recognize it.
Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands are totally seperate to us - they are a different territory, administered from Govt House here for logical convenience, but they are not part of the Islands.
Geo, dont understand, UK has a good set of standards in the world where they have enabled stable independent nations to grow out of what was their empire- eg India, South Africa,Canada,Australia,NewZealand, Trinidad&Tobago, Jamaica etc etc. apparently a lot of Jamaican people even want UK to come back!
Billious has the strange idea that the British can be driven out of the south Atlantic. Even though we have been there longer than his country has existed.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is of course, naive and always ignores thae fact that whatever the Falkland Islander's decide to do with their future, Britain will still have South Georgia and the South Shetland islands, and their claim to the Antartic Territory.
We cannot easily be forced from the south Atlantic. Not after more than 300 years !
“Islander, I hope your independence, argentine goal is uk to leave south atlantic”
Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's not true Billy, and you know it. Just read your racist constitution. What Argentina's goals regarding the Falklands are clearly spelled out.
Amazing that the PM feels he needs to chip in with a response to what is little more than Argentine domestic politics -- diatribes denouncing clandestine British machinations have long been popular fare with eccentric dictatators such as Mugabe and Matathir, but Downing Street never gave them the oxygen of publicity. Life is too short. -- and Argentina is not Greece!
Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think you've missed the point Rory .. the message wasn't aimed at Argentina !
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Artillero601
Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where did you get that figure?
60.000 Tierra
22.000 Aire
23.000 Mar
Total 105.000 in service
Reservist 490.000
@41
Jun 19th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ministerio de Defensa, (Jefe de Personal)
IOSE
Estado Mayor Conjunto
In all of them I have classmates and they all say the same thing
lets talk about other issues
Jun 19th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oil you cant get it its a territory in dispute period.
fisherie the same period.
communications you have nothing in common with arg you say it. its your problem. period.
other issues we can talk knitting perhaps
sistematically refusing to talk of sovereignity when the UN is calling you shows you exactly how you are...
“oil you cant get it its a territory in dispute period.”
Jun 19th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet, they are.
“fisherie the same period.”
And yet, they are.
“communications you have nothing in common with arg you say it. its your problem. period.”
There is no problem.
“sistematically refusing to talk of sovereignity when the UN is calling you shows you exactly how you are...”
Yes, it shows that they as a people don't want anything to do with the people who just four decades ago stuck guns in there faces.
the same happened with our people in 1833
Jun 19th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thats why the UN is calling you
He didn't feel the need to “chip in” Rory. He was answering a question in parliament. Something completely different. Our PM's (of whatever flavour) don't tend to mouth off like Argentine presidentes and presidentas do...
Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 malen
Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oil- you can co-operate with us and share the benefits
Fisheries- we will share our expertise with you free and help you to stop trashing your fishery
Communications- you can help new generations of Falkland Islanders and Argentines to visit each others countries and understand each other better, and make it easier for Argentine veterans and families to deal with their losses.
Or don't- the ball's in your court, and you aren't going to get sovereignty anyway so why not give it a go?
With some of the replies like malen geo,
Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One has to wonder how they ever got out of primary school.
And short trousers .
if you talk of sovereignity we can talk of other issues
Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can say period, we too
you can come to argentina without passport
and we live you a go to do what you want for more than a hundred years this conflict exists
and im against wars for the people that died of both sides silly wars
perhaps beginning talking about other things would help
ok malen have it your way,
Jun 19th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would Argentina be willing to discuss sovereignty over other parts of disputed Argentinian[British ] territory like [Patagonia] if so let us know,
Where was the UN in 1982? It sided with Britain! Where was Eu in 1982? It sided with Britain! Where was US in 1982 it sided with Britain! When have we ever needed these? When have they ever supported us? We need take decisive action now, take the Malvinas back and cleanse the islands of their illegal population!
Jun 19th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 51
Jun 19th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace and love Flip Flop peace and love
for an idiot flipper you make quite a splash,
Jun 19th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we dont insult people normaly, but as you are an exeption
it wont sink in fool
[] 36 - islander
Jun 19th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British has no good set of standarts !
I'll give you a sample/evidence from History ...
1914 // as a part of World War I ..British Forces invade Southern Irak..
1917// British occupation of Baghdad begins.....
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1920// Arabs of Southern Irak starts military action toward the British
who did not fulfill their promises to leave the area to the locals after
the Turks defeated....the British responded military in the beginning
but later realized that it would be impossible to control the area............
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here is the British style resolution !
1921 // established British Puppet Regime with Saudi Prince Faisal...
1922// alliance with British is signed
1925// all concessions to search oil are given to British Companies......
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note : USA 's interests are begin from 1954 in Irak .
let the kelpers to live alone, I supoort selfdetermination.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But please say good bye to britain. Britain must leave south atlantic and you make your kelper republic as another south american country. That would be real selfdetermination.
Billy, thankyou for that but a republic is unlikley. If we were to become Independent it would indeed be visible and physical seldetermination, and we would most likley be like many other 100% Independent members of the Commonwealth with a constitution that has the Queen/King as titular head of state- same as say Canada - and you cannot say they have not said “goodbye” to Britain surely, just because you decide to keep some constitutional values the same does not mean you are still ruled by UK?Different contries are allowed different types of Consitution - its selfdetermination. At the same time it would indeed also be logical for us to also want to join organizations like the OAS and Mercosur
Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55BHayes,
Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain & Falklands don't have to“must” anything just because you & your country say so.
We like things as they are and its not your business.
Keep your nose out of our affairs.
@43Malen,
We don't have a problem, Malen. lts Argentina that has the problem, claiming land that it doesn't own.
lt is OUR oil, fish etc & NOT YOURS. We will do what we like with OUR resources & you can just watch if you want to.
You could have had a share in the oil, BUT, good old Nestor tore up the agreement! How intelligent is that?
So, my dear Malen, what would you like to talk about? Anything but not sovereignty unless you wish, for example, to share the sovereignty of Patagonia with us.
[] 54 going on ...
Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0here is the British style action at South Atlantic !
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2005 // established Puppet/Paravane Oil Companies by their collaborators like G.Soros and some Irish originates...
2005// alliance with British interests....
2007// starts drilling ..drilling ...drilling.......drilling.....drilling..
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why are Puppet/Paravane Firms ?? answer is very simple
(they never use their orginal firms there to mask )
Britain knows that has illegal Falklands invasion since 1833 !
there will be likely they won't fullfill alliances with companies !
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Note : I know the other 23 units British set of standarts in History .
Billy Hayes (#) let the kelpers to live alone, I supoort selfdetermination.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it is you British who do not support self determination. If you do leave Malvinas now, go home and leave! This is our territory, Rome decreed hole of South America to Spanish and by right Malvinas is Argentine and we will take what is ours. Leave Malvinas with your stinking people and go home to your little island of gay people.
claim patagonia if you think you have a case
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps you canjustify territorial integrity 14.000 km away who knows
argentina is recoignized internationally as a nation but who knows
filippo stick up your junta or justin kunt you are so boring
When I was in Y Wladfa last year, the Welsh community were not too impressed with remaining part of Argentina, I think Patagonia should be given self determination and the Argentine fascists should leave.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geo 54 - That was a WorldWar - slightly different rules 1914-18. As for Saudi - a business arrangement I see others in there now as well as UK.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 058- please show me one single licence to drill issued by London? - you cannot can you! - because ALL licences are issued and controlled exclusively by the Islands Govt - nothing to do with UK at all.
We ask for their expertise- from 50yrs experience in the North Sea and topline EU saftey standards etc - in setting up the system - but it is controlled by us - the Islands - and if there is commercial finds - then the income comes to us NOT UK.
Your Govt has chosen to opt out of any share in the industry support business potential.
Filipo 59 I think you will find Billy is Argentine! Just that he is 100% more intelligent than you!
Islander1: About independance. If you guys was to go that way(and you guys have my complete 100% support in this) wouldnt you want to keep some sort of defence there as in the british base, thus making billys point rather stupid....well we all know it was in the first place because thats not the goal of his government.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day, an independant falklands wouldnt mean no more British in south atlantic. Our navy is a blue water one, it is in all the worlds seas.
“ ... Rome decreed hole of South America to Spanish ...”
Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll agree with 'hole' ! :-)
So, it's now the 20th and the decrepit C-24 kicks off in earnest (always wanted to go there, so much is done in earnest apparently:-). Should provide a little amusement albeit much the same stuff as last year! And indeed every year.
Any likely threat to the islander's status .... ? No! Of course not.
Another year, another C-24 lol
@ zethe
Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you guys was to go that way... thus making billys point rather stupid” ????
I was
You were
He/she/it was
We were
You were
They were
Now try it again but this time in proper English and check your grammar please.
So normal people can understand your message on this board next time.
Kind regards,
NicoDin
Malvinas are Argentinian as Buenos Aires, it has no right to self determination. As soon as we remove the people from the Malvinas, they can determine where they go, or we will show them!
Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is so pointless, the falklanders are in their home, there is nothing we can do to change that people! when will we understand this? What if the falklanders decide that they want to be an independent country? what will we say? because now we say that is a british conoly, but if they become independent from the uk what will our excuse be to talk about the sovereignty when they will not be british anymore? we'll colonize the country? what will we do? Now the UK is with them and the United Nations don't care too much for this because they know that nothing will happen, but if the islanders become an independent country, the United Nations will kick out butts, seriously, because it will be a country of 3,000 people being harassed by a country of 42,000,000 people, things will be different and not nice to us anymore. This isn't going anywhere.
Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What will be the difference? In 1982 the UN supported Britain! If the Malvinas becomes independent and British leave, who will stop us claiming what is ours? Where are these 3,000 people from? Only one is Argentinian, the rest will be sent back home. Zimbabwe has taken the land back from the British colonials and we must do the same, this must be done not just in Malvinas!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zethe 63 - who knows, maybe, all depends if we are still under threat - (Belize had a UK defence guarantee until Guatemala eventually dropped their claim) thats why it would only work if Arg formally agreed to recognise our Independence. Its not impossible that if this were the case then we could even end up with a joint Arg-British Defence guarantee.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Filippo - read 67 - xbarilox is 100% correct.
So, FlipFlop - if someone invades Argentina and applies the same principle .... where should they send you?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0We would be reclaiming what is rightfully ours and removing the colonial population to their rightful place, Britain or the bottom of the sea. Malvinas is Latin America's only colony it dos not belong to the UK, it belongs to the people of Argentina.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who would invade Argentina? Only Chile and they are not stupid enough. But we claim what is rightfully ours and this includes Tierra Del Fuego, we will give the Chileans a choice also.
Filippo- in the 3000 you want to murder there are at least 20 Argentine nationals who happen to live here peasefully, recognize our Govt, and many now have Islands citizenship - so you will murder your own people as well then?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You must be a relation to the Buenos Aires gestapo man sent here in 1982- he had a list of about 200 or more of us Islanders that were to be “disposed of” - luckily the British arrived before he got started.
I never said I would like to murder anyone. You would be given the choice to leave or removed, one way or another, it is your choice which way! Who is this Gestapo man, what is his name?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 20 Argentines, you say are on the Mavlinas are traitors and will be treated as such by a military tribunal, given a fair hearing and disposed of.
@ 71 They are not a colonial population, they were born in the islands. And, if one day they decide to be a an independent country instead of a BOT, they will be not British, but they will be just Falklanders, with a nationality of their own and their respective passports saying that they are Falklanders, no more British, but just Falklanders, that will be their nationality (if that's the name they choose), and the UN will recognize them as a new country and a nation, and there will be nothing that you and the other c*nts in here can do. When this country as we know it today ceases to exist, the falklanders will still be there living in the falklands. You'll stay with your stupid claims with no factual data to back up them, and we'll be free from you people at last! You're insane like 90% of the people in this country, and you people are ruining everything in this country.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to know how your FIDF will defend the islands. It could be that you attack our fishing boats while fishing in our waters and murder our fishermen, this would then be used as a pretext to invade! This is simple matter! We out number you by 44 million people and we wish to see our land returned to us and all British gone form South America. The land on the Malvinas we own and want back, without stupid people.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0What happen confused chilenito with “aguante Quilmes”?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ .. Latin America's only colony ...”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0FlipFlop - you need to take another look at the map! How about French Guiana ?
Or all those carribean islands?
And you think Argentina is entitled to Tierra del Fuego ? Looks to me like it should all be Chilean!
As for defence, what do you think the submarine is for, or the fighters, or the 1000+ troops permanently stationed on the islands, or those missiles that Argentina made such a fuss about last year.
Argentina HAS NEVER owned the Falkland Islands .... but somehow I just know that this fact is not likely to enter the barely used muscle between your ears.
Methinks you are a bit of a nutter! Lacking in the marbles area! Either that, or you are 12 years old. The reality is that what you want and what you are likely to get are two very different things.
Flip flop, give peas a chance
Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now don't go mushy on me :-)
Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0l wonder if Flippers is really jihad jorge or “I”? The combined IQ of the three would still be less than a retarded goldfish.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@73
Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The 20 Argentines, you say are on the Mavlinas are traitors and will be treated as such by a military tribunal, given a fair hearing and disposed of.”
Is illegal for Argentinians to emmigrate? even if it was surely that would be a civil matter, your talk of 'a military tribumal' smacks of a Junta style kangeroo court, guess your 'disposal' of these 'traitors' would be by death flight eh Filippo?
You're either a troll or an ill educated, arrogant boy. Either way you're a pathetic piece of scum. Have a nice day Filippo.
@WestisBest
Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you didn’t see the bad guys yet : )
filippo, the guy,s name was Major Patricio Dowling(part irish) - maybe that,s you? Anyway like all dirty thuggish cowards he fled back to Argentina a day or so before the surrender so as not to be captured!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0WestisBest: He's a troll. And it looks like a British poster acting like a nutty Argentine to be honest.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Redhoyt (#) French Guiana is not a colony, it is part of France! Not the same thing!
Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ WestisBest (#) A military tribunal is right and proper for traitors and would be same as that given to the terrorists in Guantanamo Bay! There is only one Argentinian born in the Malvinas but you can all apply before it is too late!
@ zethe (#) you sound like a nutty English poster acting like the idiot he is!
Flip flops mum must be at bingo
Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Filippo
Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've read all your comments with considerable interest. You really are a prat, aren't you?
Shall we take them one by one and answer them.
@51 Of course you didn't need any of the people you mention. And you were beaten. You surrendered.
@59 You got something right!!! You equated South America to a hole. You refer to the papal bull of 1493. Regrettably, it wasn't recognised by most of the world then and by none now. Even the Papacy says it was wrong then and of no account now. By the way “self-determination” means that the people there decide. No-one else. Certainly not a bunch of mongrel, dago colonists.
@66 You will not be removing anyone. Unless you want to die.
@68 The inhabitants of the Falkland Islands are home.
@71 The Falkland Islands are not rightfully yours. Never have been, never will be. Malvinas? Argentine fantasy.
@73 Leave or be removed! And this is your idea of self-determination, you joke.
@75 How would we defend the Falkland Islands? That's easy. The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory and therefore, essentially, integral to Britain. According to the 2010 census in each place, you havce a population around 40 million. We have a population around 62 million. OK? We have cruise missiles (3 different types), air to ground missiles (5 different types), air to air missiles (4 different types), anti-ship missiles. And we shouldn't forget nuclear missiles. What have you got?
@85 French Guiana is a French Overseas Territory. Much the same relationship to France as the Falklands has to Britain.
Now, any “Argentines” in the Falklands are either only “Argentine” by origin, but now Falkland Islanders, or they are visitors. What you do with the visitors is your business. But touch any Falkland Islander who has fled to the Falkland Islands to seek asylum from oppression in Argentina and you are looking for even more trouble than you are already in.
Actually, you're a little Nazi, aren't you?
Correction to one of the comments above. Major Patricio Dowling was cashiered and sent back to Argentina for his conduct by Commodoro Bloomer-Reeve, an Argentine officer who impressed both sides with his basic sense of decency and honour. Not all of the Argentines were or are thugs. Though given the lack of basic human decency displayed by the Argentines who infest Mercopress you could be forgiven for that presumption.
Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps if she is frightened to go to the ICJ, then great Britain should end this farce [and take Argentina their instead]
Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And let the whole bloody world see their decision once and for all.
Then the Falkland’s and Britain can sit back and see what Argentina does next .??.
good un ya twin
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 FlipFlop - if French Guiana is not a colony, then neither are the Falkland Islands! But if you don't believe that, then maybe we should incorporate the Falklands into the UK. Will that satisfy you?
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Filippo “But we claim what is rightfully ours and this includes Tierra Del Fuego, we will give the Chileans a choice also.”
Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF??? Are you kidding me? You touch chilean part of the territory and we leave you all in a boat in front of Montevideo. Argentina is no military position to threaten Chile (anymore). You got stuck in time...
88- hadnot heard that before but could well be so. There were some hear who would have liked to have invited Bloomer-Reive as a guest to the 25th Anniv in 2007 - he was and is respected here as having done a good job in a tricky situation and probably saved several of us from getting shot! I recall one of his parting comments as he left after 14th June was “ I imagine you are all happier now you have your flag flying again”
Jun 21st, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@87 Correction
Jun 21st, 2011 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0The population of the UK is over 70 million, because there are about 3 million Welsh, and over 5 million Scottish, plus a few million in Northern Ireland, to add to the 60+ million English, and any BOTs that might want to throw their hands in.
However, the size of the population is irrelevant, it is the size and capability of the military that is all important, to all intents and purposes, the Argentine Army has even fuel, food and ammunition to fight for two hours, the Argentine Navy is rusting away in dock, virtually as it has been since 1982, with just a couple of patrol boats that dare to put themselves to sea, and the Argentine Air Force has no qualified pilots, no parts, no weapons in any real quantity, and what they have is antiquainted, plus they probably have the same problems with fuel and food, barely able to operate for two hours. They are not practiced, and with the state of things you can imagine the moral levels.
Typhoon has already stated what they would be up against, one of the best trained, equipped, experienced, and respected military forces in the World.
Such a conflict would be no contest, it would be a turkey shoot, madness thinking, this flip flop character has to be that dickhead Vargas ex-pat from Canada, the man is a complete nut job, but probably suicide bomber material.
@Brainless
Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0And since when you are an expert on Argentina’s military capabilities? Ha ha
Do you work for the British intelligence? Ha ha ha
I can understand now why UKI doesn’t win any war lately. You cannot figure out what is the population of UKI and you want to know what is the strength and military power of Argentina? Too much for you Brainless. Ha ha
UK population:
1.789.000 Northern Ireland
2.999.300 Wales
5.222.100 Scotland
51.997.648 England
Total 62,008,048
http://wales.gov.uk/topics/statistics/headlines/population2010/100624/?lang=en
http://wales.gov.uk/topics/statistics/headlines/population2010/100624/?lang=en
http://wales.gov.uk/topics/statistics/headlines/population2010/100624/?lang=en
“Typhoon has already stated what they would be up against, one of the best trained, equipped, experienced, and respected military forces in the World.”
Ha ha
The force that has to cannibalise planes and choppers to be in business.
Such a joke you are mate.
@84Zethe,
Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0l too, think he is a British troll.
His spelling does not match his grammar.
@95NicoDin,
Why have you allowed your military to run down?
What would you do if you were attacked by another country?
l suppose you could always ask us for help.
Dim - I seem to recall comments from Argentines on this site professing that there weren't enough Argentine troops to man the telephones. Get real !
Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96 @97 “Why have you allowed your military to run down?”
Jun 21st, 2011 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You guys are pouring salt in my wounds ...... thanks a lot!! :-)
We saw the other day Brazilian warships giving Argentinian warships lessons in swimming; apparently their navy has got water fright lol.
Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Mohammeds
Jun 21st, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don’t need any army to defeat you just we spread 1 ton of heroine over your Army plus a bunch of gay porno DVD movies and sit down and wait for something to happen. And when you army is in the best of the gay parade, the rest can be carry out buy the “La 12 de Boca” and “Los borrachos del tablón” hooligans armed with AK47 and the always well known FN FAL with 120 round each.
They have killed more people all together that your whole army in 20 years.
@98Artillero601,
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never the Army's fault when these things happen, its the politicians.
lts happened to everyone, because of the politicians of the 1920's & 1930's the UK & France were unprepared for war in 1939.
Don't take it personal.
But what would you do if Chile decided to recover Patagonia?
@100NicoDin,
My God man, you do sprout some rubbish.
They have killed more people all together that your whole army in 20 years
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If their breath is like yours Nicotine I am not suprised
@101 Never the Army's fault when these things happen, its the politicians..... Yes, It is!!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Generals allow this to happen , it becomes “The Institution's fault” . I don't want to continue because my blood pressure is raising ..... but you made a good point.
100 NicoDin was probably one of those smugglers who got caught doing drugs,
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only he was the one that got away, smoked it all, and off his head,
The cops just thought he was an idiot and let him go .
@ briton
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nope Briton don’t get me wrong I was just thinking that our govt. can buy some from your Royal Navy you know. Seems they are in trafficking business
“A Royal Navy Wren smuggled cocaine worth £5million into the UK on a warship after a tour of duty in South America, a court heard yesterday.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207404/Wren-arrested-Royal-Navy-ship-returns-anti-drugs-operation--5M-cocaine-board.html
Don’t worry mate we know that this things happens : )
all the time
Jun 22nd, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only bad people do drugs .
Wouldnt your airforce sell you any nicotine
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine Air Force Behind Drug Trafficking in Spain
http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/newsfromargentina/argentine-air-force-behind-drug-trafficking-in-spain-/
@Sticky
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! So they didn’t throw it over the islands as planned?
Bloody idiots next time we will tell them Mohammed’s islands to avoid confusion sorry for the inefficiency.
Things like this happens you know : )
This would explain your posting at all hours of the day Nicotine
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.argentinaindependent.com/feature/paco-drug-epidemic-sweeping-the-streets-of-argentina-/
Many addicts will go on binges spanning over three days without sleep, constantly searching for more.
Self determination is a weak pathetic excuse created by a bunch of
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britt Diplomats since 90% of the Islas Malvinas population are pommy Brits so of course they would prefer to be British pirates cheerio lads : )
Better British pirates,
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Than argie pirates,
At least we had pretty colourful names,
Black beard blue beard , red beard , green beard , yellow beard ,
Musty coloured beard , lolol
107 stick up your junta
Jun 23rd, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can'n believe your ridiculous comments and links. because you don't look a bit in America, UK and also the Malvinas Islands , there are a lots drugs and addicts who consume mostly around 2000 brits soldiers gays, and What about the alcohol problems in the Malvinas just with 2000 people there! mate!!stop with your ridiculous commets and stupits links!! Ok!!
Junkies in UK where ?
Jun 24th, 2011 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
Junkies killing each other on the streets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
12 million brits enter into drugs in UK from 16 year old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
Teachers dealing at school with drugs and weapons troublers students in UK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
Crime drugs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWhUb8WBYQ8
hahah the Argies maniacs are really trying to outdo their selves today.....What do we have here:
Jun 24th, 2011 - 08:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nicdumarse: “dibalo muhhameds you british have notheeeng muhhameds, UKISTAN, gay bums heroin, Brit drugs homlesness, 50,000 Argentine warriors will swinm to glorious malvinas....look I post YOUTUBE videos muhhhhhhhameds, kebabistan muhammmeds Ukistan muhhameds muhameds I am obssesed with muhhamed muhhamed, I so funny I say Muhhamed, where is my darling muhhhamed, muhhamed”
Kiwiarse: “AAAAIEEEE You British parrots es stupide! You all Gay all your soldiers gay on crack, all Malvinas gay and drunk on heroin bums bottoms gayness heroin I like bums and bottoms!”
Against such cold and calculated logic we are all doomed chaps!
The bottom line here is these kelpers will never want to become argentines, as they have nothing to do with us. It's like transplanting a bunch of argentines into East Timor. It just wouldn't work out.
Jun 24th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clever move by the brits, they did the same in Northern Ireland.
Pero igual algun dia volveremos y comprenderan estas palabras que estoy escribiendo, si es q ya no lo hacen !
Amazing how the blind follow the blind,
Jun 24th, 2011 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, the worlds, modern delinquent that refuses to grow up.
“Clever move by the brits”
Jun 24th, 2011 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- I don't see what your whinging about Panda, you did exactly the same thing in Argentina, you transplanted a bunch of Spaniards in Argentina, called yourself Rio Platans, then Argentines, and then enthusiastically encouraged a white European Argentina immigration policy, its still in your constitution today :) Article 25....white Europeans only please!
When Argentines like yourself whinge like babies over a “transplanted” population in the Falklands, I think of the Pot calling the Kettle black, but on a diplomatic level......
@Rhaurie
Jun 24th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“then Argentines, and then enthusiastically encouraged a white European Argentina immigration policy, its still in your constitution today :) Article 25....white Europeans only please!”
And what is your problem with that?
You don’t like white European people? That is your problem Rhaurie?
Are you planing to kill us for that?
I don’t get it?
My problem? I don't have a problem its just highly amusing you lot accusing the Falklands of being a transplanted population when you're still encouraging the same thing for argentina :)
Jun 24th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You clearly did did not read the rest of my statement, but that's to be expected you never have been the sharpest knife in the drawer.
You don’t like white European people?
Jun 24th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes love them
Of course, whiteness itself is relative. Many Argentines who proudly consider themselves white come to America and are shocked to find that in American racial discourse they are considered “Latino,” “Hispanic” or vaguely “Spanish,” and not white. Says Paula Brufman, an Argentine law student and researcher, “Argentines like to think of themselves as a white nation populated by Europeans. I was surprised when in the US, people — especially Latinos — told me I was not white but Spanish.”
Fucking A !!
Jun 24th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it was Churchill who said that the Americans and the British are one people divided by a common language. This must be so. I have no idea what 'F*cking A' means?
Jun 24th, 2011 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Sticky
Jun 25th, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Americans no considering us whites? Really?
What can we do?
And How do you explain Obama? Is he Argentinean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_AOVWirzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_AOVWirzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_AOVWirzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_AOVWirzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN_AOVWirzo
Where is US among the Most Whitest countries in America continent.
1-Uruguay
2-Argentina
3-Canada
4-Costa Rica
5- USA and falling
US is not a white country anymore since long time ago like Britain. You can quickly recognise that by just taking a walk around the cities.
: )
“US is not a white country anymore”
Jun 26th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Right Nicodumarse, so that's why you have listed it number 5 out of 36 countries in the Americas?
You make my toilet look clever...
@Rhaurie-Craughwell
Jun 27th, 2011 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Right Nicodumarse, so that's why you have listed it number 5 out of 36 countries in the Americas?”
Its is because you say that US doesn’t consider Argies whites, so I showed you what it is US’s position among most white countries in America (continent). Not point to list any other I guess. Make you own research if you are interest in the subject.
Nicholas, go back to sleep.
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