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Boy 14 shot in the chest, becomes first death in months of social unrest in Chile
Chilean teenager died early Friday, a day after being shot in the chest during massive protests in the capital Santiago against President Sebastian Piñera, police said, the first fatality in months of social unrest. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThat´s what the comunist are looking for.....a martir boy.....but he was an offender, he wasn´t there playing with toys, he was throwing molotov bombs, rocks and destroying public & private goods, he wasn´t a “nun's boy”.......
Aug 26th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is nothing more than a planned sublevation to avoid that the Gvt success can be considered diverting the people focus to the fake problems created by the extreme left followers helped by the former goverment coalition Concertación.....wich leaded the country from 20 years ago with no solutions for the same problems that are now “so” big to put the people on the streets...
Anyway, the two days “general strike” called by the labour union was so success the it was carried out just by 14% of the total country's working force.....LOL...
Hey Sergio Vega, this kinda thing isn't happening in Uruguay ;9 You jealous.
Aug 26th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard Sergio Vega is a communist posing as a Piñera-supporter on the internet so as to give the impression that all Piñera-supporters are freaks.
Aug 26th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've heard Sergio Vega is the reincarnation of Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte.
Aug 27th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Aug 27th, 2011 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seems that 16 years young Manuel Gutiérrez Reinoso, was shot and killed by police whilst pushing the wheelchair of his 23 years older brother’s, Gerson Gutiérrez .......................................................................................................
http://radio.uchile.cl/noticias/120312/
Carabineros de Chile sees ”No reason to investigate the incident because they are sure it wasn’t them”
Only a Turnip would “Think” this story ends here…………..................................
And:
Here is one of the many reasons I luuuuuuv Chile so much……………
A masterpiece!
http://radio.uchile.cl/noticias/120312/
Fuerza Camila Antonia Amaranta Vallejo Dowling..........
Fuerza Chile.
I know, by reading it's comments, that Sergio Vega is a tool.
Aug 27th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think... Thanks for that art link. Yes, I, too, want to be a Chilean protester just to be able to watch that dynamic young woman in action. I would follow her for her politics, and enjoy every moment of it.
Aug 29th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sergio... how much are they paying you? I mean, do you make a good living at this?
I gather two police were shot and the rioters were throwing Molitov fire bombs at them.
Aug 29th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think if my mate had been shot whilst protecting people and the country from the mayhem of violent street-rioting, and if fire bombs were being thrown at me, I would be more than happy to shoot dead the thrower.
Would it matter to me if the thrower was 14, 45 or 65?
No; you die if you burst into flames in a petrol explosion, and if someone is trying to kill me in such circumstances, whatever his age, he deserves to die.
And, no, I am not in the pay of the Chilean Government, Sergio, MI5, MI6, Mossad, BOPE or the CIA.
Just an ordinary guy saying that is you do this you deserve everything you get.
(8)
Aug 29th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“I gather two police were shot and the rioters were throwing Molitov fire bombs at them.”
I say:
Where did you “gather” that ???????????????????????????????????????????????
Not one newsmedia in Chile has published anything that resembles what you write at comment No. 8........................
Not one civilian witness has said anything that resembles what you write at comment No. 8.....................................
Not even the police has mentioned anything similar to what you write at comment No. 8.....................................
I think latin america needs more Sergio Varga
Aug 29th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I gather two police were shot and the rioters were throwing Molitov fire bombs at them.”
Aug 29th, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.................
“. . . since Wednesday and several police officers were badly wounded - two of them shot - as violence flared when dozens of shops and supermarkets were looted and buses damage.”
“The solutions to big problems in this country do not lie in throwing stones, bombs and attacking people, . . .”
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My comment is about *my* reaction when street violence in riot conditions turns to killing conditions.
(11) Geoff Ward
Aug 30th, 2011 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is an article about 16 years old Manuel Gutiérrez Reinoso, shot dead by Chilean police whilst pushing the wheelchair of his older brother.
The circumstances of his execution are well described in hundreds of articles through Internet.
Anyhow, you feel the need to write:
“I think if my mate had been shot whilst protecting people and the country from the mayhem of violent street-rioting, and if fire bombs were being thrown at me, I would be more than happy to shoot dead the thrower. ”
What you really are saying is :
“I think if any of my mates had been shot whilst protecting people and the country from the mayhem of violent street-rioting, I would be more than happy to, days later, kill any random poor, dark skinned, inocent kid ...... especially if he is pushing another dark parasite's wheelchair...........
But I'm not surprised...................................
Old, afraid, ”well off“ foreigners like you have a long tradition of backing death squadrons in South America to protect their ”rights and property”.
Why don´t you move back to your peacefull English countryside and leave us in peace?
No, Think,
Aug 31st, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0what I say is “I think if my mate had been shot whilst protecting people and the country from the mayhem of violent street-rioting, and if fire bombs were being thrown at me, I would be more than happy to shoot dead the thrower”.
I think that protecting the people and the state from insurrection, riot, mayhem, shooting, firebombing and killing is a fine job and should be supported. If a firebomber is of a mind to kill me in the performance of my duty, he should not be at all surprised if he gets shot by me before he sets fire to me.
And if you believe that an innocent wheelchair ambulant was being pushed across the road amid the street mayhem - well, you may be right, such things have been heard of;
but if he was part of the violent insurrection, then that would be sad and unforgiveable that his friends would place him at so much at risk.
Geoff, I have been reading your comments with interest. You seem to be stating the State's opinion that protestors must be suppressed so as not to have
Aug 31st, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“insurrection, riot, mayhem, shooting, firebombing and killing”. It would be wise of you to consider the inverse of the situation, where the State takes harsh measures against the People, and the People feel the need and obligation to rise up and demand that the State correct their errant ways. Sometimes the People must be very insistent in order to get justice or liberty or equality.
It is a balancing act requiring restraint from both sides. When the State (or the People) bring guns and bullets to the conflict, the balance is tipped and violence can result. And, there are times when a State entity must be removed by violence, as it is keeping its power only by its own violence against the People.
My point is that there is much more to the discussion than just the State suppressing the will of the People so as to keep the status quo.
Hi, rylang,
Sep 01st, 2011 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes, the will of the people might be the will of all the people who, perhaps feel that their voice is not being heard and heeded, or it might be the will of some of the people who want to change the status quo totally.
Policing strategy and tactics might be different for the different circumstances.
It is not police practice in England to carry lethal weapons even in riot situations; it is police practice in virtually every other country in the world.
I believe the police to be under-equipped for riot in England, as they rarely deploy riot-control sub-lethal aids such as tear-gas, plastic baton rounds and water-cannon
- relying as they do on helmets, riot-shields, hand batons and a few horses.
This produces significant 'asymmetry' if and when rioters resort to “insurrection, riot, mayhem, shooting, firebombing and killing”.
It might be that Chile is a democracy but has a permanent harsh police presence that is bearing down on and subduing the Chilean population, and that this is what the present riots are about;
but it is my reading of the situation that the 'students' and the unions want (valid) social change but choose riot as the means of achieving it.
'The People' can be very insistent in order to get justice or liberty or equality through the ballot box, through the systems of administration and legislation, and through *peaceful* protest.
I have no problem with this (I have even used Chile as a counter-example to show the anarchic nature of the street-violence in London).
But riots can 'calculatedly kick-off and go bad' within valid street-protest as well as in the mindless London situation.
The police need always to use *appropriate* corrective force; and, in my opinion, lethal force should be part of their armoury in defence of the people, their property and the state - when 'things go bad'.
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