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UN Argentine ambassador ratifies air isolation threat to the Falkland Islands
The Argentine Ambassador before the UN, Jorge Argüello, ratified Thursday morning that if the United Kingdom keeps on refusing to discuss and negotiate Malvinas Islands’ sovereignty, the government will cancel flights to the South Atlantic archipelago. Read full article
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Argentine citizens will be able to visit the Falkland Islands, on their own passports. This provision applies equally to Argentine citizens travelling by air and by sea.
2. Full support for the immediate resumption of direct scheduled civil air services between Chile and the Falkland Islands, operated by Lan Chile or any other carrier agreed between the Parties. From 16 October 1999, these services will be able to take on and discharge passengers, cargo and mail.
3. The possibility of flights between the Falkland Islands and third countries was welcomed with the option, from 16 October 1999, of making stops in mainland Argentina ...”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1983-1999/
2003 – In November, the Argentine government withdraws permission for charter flights to the Falklands to over-fly Argentine airspace. Argentina also demands that HMG should negotiate with them to arrange scheduled flights directly from Argentina to the Falklands and that they were not willing to talk to Falkland Islands representatives.
[“The Falkland Islands Government is wholly opposed to any scheduled flights originating in Argentina or operated by Argentine carriers. The concern would be, based on past experience, that the Argentines could not be trusted not to heavily subsidise the flight, to such an extent that it made the Lan Chile flight no longer commercial and caused its withdrawal, following which we would have commercial scheduled flights only through Argentina. This of course is reminiscent of the situation in the 1970's and is unacceptable.” - (Parliamentary letter dated 15.1.2004)] ..”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1983-1999/
Just politics :-)
Penguin eggs , and sheep ribs will be your breakfast again then...
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the agreement signed by then President Carlos Menem and former PM Tony Blair”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enough reason to end it.
Typcal Argie attitude there MoreCrap - ” .. July 24th, Baylies writes to Secretary of State, Edward Livingston opposing the signing of any Treaty between the US and Buenos Aires, ” … for we would abide by it, and they would consider the violation of a treaty no greater offense than a lie told by a schoolboy …. “
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1833/
It's what makes Argentina a second rate, untrustworthy nation !
untrustworthy nation, but Argentina is there a 40 million people country that owns the Islands.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt, i was checking that your people is still trying to change history.. . please do not tell BS to your people.... look at the article in the falklandnews ...
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/a-mission-in-need-of-rescue/
AMAZING !!!!
see: ------Despite two failed attempts to take the Falkland Islands by force, 1833 and 1982, Argentina continues to assert a claim for the Falklands based on little more than geography and the Islands’ Spanish history which ended in 1811-------
So Argentina invaded the Malvinas in 1833 ??????? whaaaatttttttt ..... hehhehehe oh my God, thank for this joke, I´m going to sleep laughing now.
it seems that you are more untrustworthy nation, than Argentina....
be serious !!!
:)
“ 1832 - September 23rd, a garrison of soldiers under the command of a new ‘Governor’, Major Juan Esteban Mestivie sets sail from Buenos Aires in the Sarandi, captained by Lieutenant-Colonel José María Pinedo and crewed by a majority of British sailors....
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0On September 28th, the new British chargé d’affaires in Buenos Aires, Henry Stephen Fox, reacts with a letter of protest to the Government in Buenos Aires, ” The Undersigned...
October 8th, Mestivier’s garrison arrive at Puerto Luis while the Sarandi sets out to patrol the Islands.
On November 15th, the Argentine garrison mutinies and murders Major Mestivier.
November 29th, HMS Clio and HMS Tyne are dispatched from the Rio de Janeiro headquarters of the Royal Navy South American squadron with orders to visit the Falkland Islands.
On December 7th, an American schooner, the Sun, is ordered away from the Islands by Pinedo.
The Sarandi returns from patrol shortly after and the Lieutenant-Colonel immediately restores order by arresting those of the garrison involved in the mutiny.
1833 – January 2nd, the Clio and Tyne arrive in the Falkland Islands to find the Sarandi moored at Puerto Luis.
Cmdr. John James Onslow of the Clio, orders the Argentine flag to be lowered and hoists the Union Jack in its place. Lieutenant-Colonel José María Pinedo offers no resistance other than to protest ...”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1833/
Yep - 2 attempts to take the Islands with armed forces. Both dealt with by British forces.
1832 & 1982
You want to read more :-)
(0) Sr. Argüello
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”…..only 400 kilometres away from Argentina’s Isla de los Estados there is a major military base” set up and run by the colonial power of Great Britain.”
I say:
Told you more than once that it is only 346 km., Jorgito.
One has to be very precise with those haughty Great Brutons.
We don’t want them accusing us of lying……….………… Right?
Keep the good work
El Think
Now that is a coincidence Think, because only 346km (I'll take your word for it) away from the Falkland Islands is a major military base called Argentina.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Funny that :-)
Heard the rumour about the oil majors ?
Shhh ....
Heard the rumour about Britain?
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Shhh ....
“The world stands on the brink of a new economic crisis that would leave countries like Britain “staring down the barrel”, David Cameron has warned”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8783133/David-Cameron-world-on-brink-of-new-economic-crisis.html
Now read the rest of it idiot!
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly - staring down the barrel.
Argentina on the other hand is still a pariah with no access to debt markets because she cannot be trusted to pay her debts. Cannot be trusted to meet her obligations under agreements and Treaties ..... a second rate nation !
By the way.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't this a unilateral action banned by UN Resolution 31/49?
Isn't this a unilateral action banned by UN Resolution 31/49?
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but Argentina is not bound by UN Resolutions, or the Charter or any other agreement they enter into...
@9 “Heard the rumour about Britain?”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0September 21st 2011
Europe's largest gas field discovered in the UK with over 200 Trillion CF of gas under the North West. This dwarfs Norway's reserves of 33 Trillion & is larger then Europe`s previous largest known field in Poland with estimated reserves of 150 Trillion CF.
JACKPOT JACKPOT JACKPOT JACKPOT JACKPOT JACKPOT
We'll never beat Cristina for 'hot air' :-)
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge Argüello !!
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0İ asked about British 1806/Argentina Invasion ,but nobody knows
it here....could you publish some details of them to the public....
let's learn them.....!! ??
#15
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0BS we've educated you about that multiple times, you're still spouting crap about something that happened 205 years ago in the 19th Century to justify invading a peaceful island community in the 20th and still whining about in the 21st.
Malvinistas, world champions at whinging and whining.
[] - 16 JK
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0the panic has started ...!!
I feel ashamed to be Argentinian, our country is going the same way as it did under Peron.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0For the young in Argentina, the Falklands are an irrelevance, the government and the mad right keep pushing this cause and I am concerned it will lead us back to 1982. Certainly it is doing nothing, other than justifying British sovereignty of the islands as the only guarantee of their freedom and the wishes of the islanders.
The Bob Peck affair is also another disgusting example of how low our government will stoop for propaganda. I feel sorry for him and his family. I can not apologize enough for the actions of our government to the people of the Falklands.
Geo(graphy) - allow me to assist - “ ... 1806 – In June, British forces under the command of General William Carr Beresford, occupy Buenos Aires for 46 days before being defeated. The 71st Regiment of Foot lose both their Regimental Colours.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0[The initiative for the attack came from Sir Homes Rigg Popham who was subsequently censured by a court-martial for leaving his post in order to pursue the action. The British Crown at no time authorised the attack. Beresford managed to escape after 6 months imprisonment.]
1807 – In July, another British force under Lieutenant-general John Whitelocke, attempts to take Buenos Aires by force. Unused to urban combat, the British are again defeated by a mixed militia assisted by local inhabitants....”
But why are you, an Argentine, interested in what happened between Britain and Spain?
#17 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine presidents seems to be going for the world record in boring us into submission.
Ahh, you have to love the geography reason. I have never known such a large population of people so obssessed with geography. I think you need to reduce time spent on this subject and focus a little more of history, accurate history to be precise. And what I mean by accurate history, I mean history with reliable sources. You know what I mean, with reference and footnotes, which seems to be seriously lacking in Argentine “History”.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, by Think's, Mrs K's, and all of Argentina's reasoning, Britain should be French. Cuba should be America. New Zealand should be Australian. Greenland should be Canadian. Japan should be Chinese. Iceland should be Norwegian. I can go on and on, and on, and on. It is just white noise. It is just irrelevant. Just like the so-called “Argentine rights” over the Falklands.
Just more rhetoric. More talking. More words. No Action. No change. The Falklands and its harderned people remain democratic, free and British. I am thankful that Argentina is so impotent.
6 Redhoyt (#) Argentina did not invade the islands, on 1833 it was you !!! do you have a problem with maths ?????
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read well your ouwn misunderstanding...
October 8th, Mestivier’s garrison arrive at Puerto Luis ( that is 1832 ....)
1833 – January 2nd, the Clio and Tyne arrive in the Falkland Islands
so, 1833 no one from Argentina arrived there, do you have a problem
Again , do you have a problem with maths ?? or you want the people to know your new history... ???????
[] -19 Red
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0formal books says them so... ??
BUT
you don't know what had happened in details and also in FI
at the same time....!!
The Distance between Stanley (,Falkland Islands) and Buenos Aires (Distrito Federal,Argentina) is :
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01904.52 kilometers (km).
In Other Units:
1183.41 miles.
1027.68 nautical miles.
Note: the distance is straight line distance
The Distance between Stanley (,Falkland Islands) and Puerto Santa Cruz (Santa Cruz,Argentina) is :
770.93 kilometers (km).
In Other Units:
479.03 miles.
415.99 nautical miles.
Note: the distance is straight line distance
///////////////////////////////////////////////////
The Distance between Stanley (,Falkland Islands) and Rio Grande B. A. (,Argentina) [Airport] is :
704.62 kilometers (km).
In Other Units:
437.83 miles.
380.21 nautical miles.
Note: the distance is straight line
http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/World_Distance_Calculator.asp
depending, from where to where ??
[] - 24 brit
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the distance between my home and expressway
is 1,5 km...
the distance between my home and shopping centers
is 400 mt...
the distance between my home and city center
is 2 km ...
the distance between my home and sea shore
is 700 mt ...
one clears up a distence,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the shoppers want to play
sorry honcho
fins something better to play,
tell us when the UN is going to vote on the palastinion subject.
if you can get away from your house lol.
[] - 26 brit
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when you undrunk ..then ..i'll tell you... not now !!
so you do not know when the vote is,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 28 brit
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Palestine will be an independent state eventually...
BUT
Palestine is not innocent...
in the history,they were used as a trans-contexter at many parts
of the world,especially in Mid-East related into some terror/guerilla
process by back supporting of American/Israel secret services...
for instance that
under the present US /Iraq invasion they are used on covered
operations of Kurdish movements at Northern Iraq/South Eastern Turkey areas..
AND
they are used out of Mid-East zone some where else as trans-activity
initiatives by British secret services ( not MI5...MI6...)....!!
when they will be independent...of course these kinds of activities
making will be very hard....
perhaps argentina should have a referendum
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0asking
1, do you wish to become british or retain argentine rule,
they may well vote to remain argentine,
but it would be interesting just how many would like to be ruled be the british,
,,,more interesting things have happend,
it might be worth a laugh,
(#) 29
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0that's true .
initiatives by British secret services ( not MI5...MI6...)....!!
Sep 24th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mysterons or spectre
24 briton
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the basis of proximity, the Falklands it would seem have a good case for sovereignty over Patagonia. A large portion of it, is closer to the Falkland Islands, than to Buenos Aires. Maybe we should compile a dossier of historical links and file a claim with the UN!
@33AndyMac,
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0That has been suggested a few times. lts got merit though.
Hi Andy welcome to site,
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes as Isolde states, this has been mention quite few times,
And if pushed it could well give the argie an even bigger headache,
If they can claim, then why not we counter claim,
Its not an impossibility ?
“Why should Argentina keep facilitating British citizens to travel between the Islands and mainland Argentina”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction Jorge, Chile and Chilean airline facilitate the travel of Argentine and Chilean citizens between Chile, Argentina and the Falklands.
Still want to here your alternative plan B for letting the relatives of the fallen visit the graveyard at Darwin seeing as you were one of the junior ministers at the time who insisted on burying them in the Falklands as opposed to the prepared option by the families of repatriation.......
Oh wait you don't have one....
18 Benito:
Sep 28th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really do not think you're Argentina, because we do not forget our veterans and even the English who were also victims of this conflict.
We are very proud of our president, who in spite of British aggression, continues to promote peace and dialogue among peoples. If you still have doubts read the 10 UN resolutions have called for the UK to sit down and negotiate on our sovereignty and it is the duty of all members to accept the resolutions of the Assembly ...
Read resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12), 1984 (39 / 6) 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25).
Benito said, I am embarrassed to be Argentine, our country is going in the same way as it did with Perón
I am proud to be Argentine, learn from Peron who taught us social justice. Economic independence and political sovereignty.
For young people in Argentina, the Malvinas are an irrelevance, the government and the right to keep pushing this cause mad and I worry that will bring us back to 1982.
You're wrong, Falkland institutional cause all Argentines, of all generations and political stripes and is a factor of unity for all citizens beyond the current government.
Bob Peck's case is another example disgusting how low our government will be inclined by propaganda.
Bob understood the nature of conflict and do not hesitate to act on their own arguments and convictions. You will be surprised that many islanders think like and can not speak for fear of discrimination and retaliation by the government.
Benito: Do not condemn, you have your own reasons, I respect you, but you're wrong. Give up hatred and resentment towards your land, do not be an instrument of colonialism and imperialism and be an instrument of peace, dialogue among peoples. Remember Pérez Esquivel, Nobel Peace Prize and understand.
Thank you very much.
Even the English who were also victims of this conflict
Sep 28th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you mean BRITISH .
[We are very proud of our president, who in spite of British aggression
But it is you that is being aggressive, or are you blind.
to promote peace and dialogue among peoples
Then why are you effectively blockading the Falklands.
[If you still have doubts read the 10 UN resolutions]
But it is Argentina who dismisses the UN when it suits you, is it not,
[Negotiate on our sovereignty]
Is this not very arrogant of Argentina, who has never owned it,
[Taught us social justice. Economic independence and political sovereignty.]
The same things Argentina refuses the Falklands
[For young people in Argentina, the Malvinas are an irrelevance]
If it such an irrelevance, then why all the crap over wind swept islands ]
[disgusting how low our government will be inclined by propaganda.]
You said it, and it is very true .
the falklands are british,
so stop trying to brainwash the whole bloody world in your image,
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