Brazilian media reported more corruption allegations against the country's embattled Sports Minister on Saturday, raising the pressure on him to quit a day after he received the backing of President Dilma Rousseff. Read full article
Why would she go after it if it will be delivered by the media, if there is any proof. So far there isn't any proof, but just words out of the mouth. A real leader cannot go by that alone.
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT EXISTS.
That's what you think, but you don't know either. Your ideology makes you behave like a buffoon that screems something where you have no proof of. Show people the proof and you nail him.
THE MORE SHE VACILLATES, THE MORE SHE EXPOSES HER WEAKNESS.
The more you type, the more you show how what kind of ideological clown you are.
But the President has the right to test the proposition of guilt in her Minister of State.
In fact she has the duty to test it because the man is a public servant.
Equally, the accuser should be mandated to put up the proofs.
Perhaps he HAS put up the proofs, and it is being translated into a judicial enquiry as we speak.
I do not fear for his life because the degree of publicity would immediately put the Minister in the dock for murder if he 'disappeared' or appeared but dead. But we have seen a Sao Paulo State mayor killed because he refused to be part of the corrupt group of money grabbers, so real danger does exist for whistle-blowers.
Dilma has an interestingly multi-dimensional problem in the sacking of HER ministers, etc.
She must show the people her power to 'ride the guilty out of town', she must be even-handed between coalition partners, and she must show support for her team such that they will support her.
Squaring these circles is a tough call.
Whether there is proof or not, the chances that there is not proof multiply in direct proportion to the agendas of the ultra conservative newspapers that report the stories. The agenda of both Estado and Folha is to discredit the PT and the left government. They are against a growing middle class, pro elite, and greedy as hell. But as in most cases of the rightists, just as Goebbels said, If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes true.
My question is do these two papers take turns with Globo and its allies. Kind of like a crooked wrestling match in USA.
The daily allegations AND evidence of illegality is there for all to see, in Folha, on Globo and in Veja.
Think of the allegory of The Emperor's New Clothes in reverse - everybody can see the clothes=corruption, everybody feels it, everybody knows that PT made this government corruption nationally embedded into all processes of government and public administration.
You must be, like the Emperor, blind to reality to think otherwise.
Whether the PSDB opposition (Left of Centre, not Right) can reverse this remains to be seen, but they have to be voted in in order to try.
Show me the Right, Ultra-Right, Ultra-Conservative in Brasil - you think there are such political parties?
What political party does NOT contain coruption. When there has been a culture of such corruption, it is always difficult to pry the culture loose. For God's sake, give Rouseff credit for what she has dont. I'm neither blind nor stupid. But having experienced media agendas in one form or another all my life, I can smell them. Where's the offer of support for her efforts? These papers would like nothing more than to see her fail and the status quo returned. Sure backs are scratched, and in every country in the world, money changes hands among many public oficials, much of it flying off to Switzerland, the Caymans, other venues for secreted money . . .
Those who chastize Rouseff for saying the government would not condemn someone without proof, she is right. It is the responsibility of the accusers to provide names, dates, facts and figures. Especially if the accusers call themselves journalists. These papers act like the notorious British tabloids, spouting rumors to foment suspicion and discredit, but people are getting smarter than that. Folhaleaks, for example repots rumors, unlike Wikileaks, which provides the damning documents. Me, blind? I think not.
As for you, I fear you must be a fan of this right wing rumor mill. But wishing doesn't make it so. Obviously, everybody does not know that the PT is wholely responsible for the corruption. It existed in Brazilian politics of the right long before there was a PT. Maybe the emperor has some clothes on and you prefer not to see them. The right does not always have to be well organized politically to undermine the progress made for all Brazilians, not only the elite. A biased, but influential media can operate subversively with ease, as they do in many countries. (Think of FOX news in the USA). When Rouseff stops firing ministers whose corruption is proven, then there is a problem, but as long as she continues in he present course, for God's sake, give her a break.
Re. PT - we both know that it is not soley responsible for corruption in Brasil. But PT under Lula made an industry out of it - like Henry Ford did for industrial processes, nothing could be the same afterwards. *Institutionalising* corruption means that you cannot run any government department or operate any public administrative function without some operations of illegality and the transfer of public monies illegally into private hands.
Whilst this might be the unspoken radical agenda of the 'workers' - to remove wealth from those with it by whatever means, legal and illegal, it does not square with the principles or practice of a democracy.
I make no left v right distinction; wherever it is present, corruption should be rooted out. And here I support Dilma.
I never thought she would be the one to grasp this nettle but, as she has, I will support her totally.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesRousseff said in a statement that her government would not condemn anyone without proof.
Oct 24th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WELL WHY DOESN'T SHE GET THE BLOODY PROOF?
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT EXISTS.
THE MORE SHE VACILLATES, THE MORE SHE EXPOSES HER WEAKNESS.
WELL WHY DOESN'T SHE GET THE BLOODY PROOF?
Oct 24th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would she go after it if it will be delivered by the media, if there is any proof. So far there isn't any proof, but just words out of the mouth. A real leader cannot go by that alone.
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT EXISTS.
That's what you think, but you don't know either. Your ideology makes you behave like a buffoon that screems something where you have no proof of. Show people the proof and you nail him.
THE MORE SHE VACILLATES, THE MORE SHE EXPOSES HER WEAKNESS.
The more you type, the more you show how what kind of ideological clown you are.
Thanks Fido, shouldn't shout; sorry.
Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the President has the right to test the proposition of guilt in her Minister of State.
In fact she has the duty to test it because the man is a public servant.
Equally, the accuser should be mandated to put up the proofs.
Perhaps he HAS put up the proofs, and it is being translated into a judicial enquiry as we speak.
I do not fear for his life because the degree of publicity would immediately put the Minister in the dock for murder if he 'disappeared' or appeared but dead. But we have seen a Sao Paulo State mayor killed because he refused to be part of the corrupt group of money grabbers, so real danger does exist for whistle-blowers.
Dilma has an interestingly multi-dimensional problem in the sacking of HER ministers, etc.
She must show the people her power to 'ride the guilty out of town', she must be even-handed between coalition partners, and she must show support for her team such that they will support her.
Squaring these circles is a tough call.
Whether there is proof or not, the chances that there is not proof multiply in direct proportion to the agendas of the ultra conservative newspapers that report the stories. The agenda of both Estado and Folha is to discredit the PT and the left government. They are against a growing middle class, pro elite, and greedy as hell. But as in most cases of the rightists, just as Goebbels said, If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes true.
Oct 25th, 2011 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0My question is do these two papers take turns with Globo and its allies. Kind of like a crooked wrestling match in USA.
Wishful, and blind, thinking, Fb.
Oct 25th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The daily allegations AND evidence of illegality is there for all to see, in Folha, on Globo and in Veja.
Think of the allegory of The Emperor's New Clothes in reverse - everybody can see the clothes=corruption, everybody feels it, everybody knows that PT made this government corruption nationally embedded into all processes of government and public administration.
You must be, like the Emperor, blind to reality to think otherwise.
Whether the PSDB opposition (Left of Centre, not Right) can reverse this remains to be seen, but they have to be voted in in order to try.
Show me the Right, Ultra-Right, Ultra-Conservative in Brasil - you think there are such political parties?
What political party does NOT contain coruption. When there has been a culture of such corruption, it is always difficult to pry the culture loose. For God's sake, give Rouseff credit for what she has dont. I'm neither blind nor stupid. But having experienced media agendas in one form or another all my life, I can smell them. Where's the offer of support for her efforts? These papers would like nothing more than to see her fail and the status quo returned. Sure backs are scratched, and in every country in the world, money changes hands among many public oficials, much of it flying off to Switzerland, the Caymans, other venues for secreted money . . .
Oct 25th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those who chastize Rouseff for saying the government would not condemn someone without proof, she is right. It is the responsibility of the accusers to provide names, dates, facts and figures. Especially if the accusers call themselves journalists. These papers act like the notorious British tabloids, spouting rumors to foment suspicion and discredit, but people are getting smarter than that. Folhaleaks, for example repots rumors, unlike Wikileaks, which provides the damning documents. Me, blind? I think not.
As for you, I fear you must be a fan of this right wing rumor mill. But wishing doesn't make it so. Obviously, everybody does not know that the PT is wholely responsible for the corruption. It existed in Brazilian politics of the right long before there was a PT. Maybe the emperor has some clothes on and you prefer not to see them. The right does not always have to be well organized politically to undermine the progress made for all Brazilians, not only the elite. A biased, but influential media can operate subversively with ease, as they do in many countries. (Think of FOX news in the USA). When Rouseff stops firing ministers whose corruption is proven, then there is a problem, but as long as she continues in he present course, for God's sake, give her a break.
We agree on Dilma; all power to her elbow.
Oct 25th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re. PT - we both know that it is not soley responsible for corruption in Brasil. But PT under Lula made an industry out of it - like Henry Ford did for industrial processes, nothing could be the same afterwards. *Institutionalising* corruption means that you cannot run any government department or operate any public administrative function without some operations of illegality and the transfer of public monies illegally into private hands.
Whilst this might be the unspoken radical agenda of the 'workers' - to remove wealth from those with it by whatever means, legal and illegal, it does not square with the principles or practice of a democracy.
I make no left v right distinction; wherever it is present, corruption should be rooted out. And here I support Dilma.
I never thought she would be the one to grasp this nettle but, as she has, I will support her totally.
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