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Former First Sea Lord suggests sending a nuclear sub to protect the Falklands
A former British First Sea Lord (2002-2006) and Commander during the South Atlantic conflict stated that Britain should respond to the Mercosur bloc’s decision to close their ports to ships that fly the Falklands/Malvinas flag, by sending a nuclear submarine to protect the Islands, the Telegraph newspaper reported Wednesday. Read full article
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Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0juajuajuaaaaajaajajajajajajajajajauauajauajauajaajuaajuaajauajauajaajauajauajauaaajuajujaijaiajaujauauajuauu
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0keep it up jajajaj whether to prevent a fishing jetty, means they have to mobilize a nuclear submarine, juajuajua. That gives me a clear idea of the despair that you have and have no more arguments than the brute force .. very, very, very, very good English friends. jajajajaja
Hurry up please :-))
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did it leave ?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK will find out that her only support will be Chávez, who needs our money. Things are getting tastier. Let's see what's the outcome heehee
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0...and then they wonder why Iran wants a nuclear arsenal :-S
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The War is comming, come on people. Last call to return without oil.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have probably been there for sometime.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0They sent one....but it ran aground near Edinburgh like the last one but at least it didn't catch fire like the one you sold to Canada. Maybe you can use the Endurance....or is that still broken after you put a hole in it and had to have it towed to Punta Arenas?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear...whatever happened to the navy of Lord Nelson?
Too much talk Alan, i think its time for your retirement old senile man.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Flight is coming soon!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077296/Falkland-Islands-Britain-dusts-war-plans-Argentina-turns-heat.html
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0lol.
send as much military as you want. Argentina and its Mercosur partners have every right to close their ports to whomever they wish. tough luck.
Argentina has no intention of going to war so keep on spending money parading a submarine in the south atlantic.
12. Harassment, blockades, etc are an prelude to war. If you don't know that you need to read some history.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been predicting CFK will overplay her hand and end up in a place she doesn't want to be.
I hope this time the UK brings the war to the mainland and teach you arrogant weaklings what it means to a world power.
China and Russia is coming to help Argentina now
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From The Independent today,
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Q&A: What's up with Argentina?
Q. Why has the situation got to this stage?
A. Partly for political reasons and partly for economic reasons. Argentina held presidential elections in October and a tough stance on the Falklands was one of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner's re-election promises. The Argentine government also hopes that if it can bring enough diplomatic pressure to bear on Britain it stands a chance of getting some of the possible revenues from oil and gas reserves from the islands.
Q. Can Falkland Islands vessels just swap flags and sail into port under another country's banner?
A. Yes. The vessels have the right to fly both the Falkland Islands' ensign or the British ensign and all they need to do is swap flags as they come into port. So in reality, the ban is mainly symbolic.
Q. Why have Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil joined in?
A. The three countries see their national interests as more closely aligned with Argentina, with whom they make up the Mercosur trading bloc, than with Britain. This move has the advantage of pleasing Buenos Aires while having little practical effect on the Falklands.
Bravo, it is a very positive and constructive suggestion! Also, in order to celebrate the eradication of all Argentinean invaders in 1982, it might be a good idea for the RN to send to the Falklands HMS Ocean on a “training cruise.”
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Send all the subs you want, there's nothing you can do about it. :)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13 the UK wouldnt win a war in mainland Argentina. Not without a carrier.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They arent the US and Argentina would receive full support of their neighbours if it were attacked.
And an american preaching about arrogance when you have been lecturing the world how to go about their business, blockading and attacking all over the place to suit your agenda is a bit ironic.
The Malvinas war was a result of cold war, but now, the globalization world... UK doesn´t have any support all around the world. The fucking Island is just a lie.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 The British rhetoric about the Malvinas claim being always about gaining political strength at home is getting old.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Ive watched the whole presidential speech of her re-election and not once was the Malvinas mentioned. There was no such promise in a speech that focused entirely on domestic issues and the economy.
2. The ban is symbolic and so is the decision of sending nuclear submarines to the south atlantic.
3. Little practical effect on the Malvinas but not on the Brits. They are running out of friends everywhere and certainly not making any new friends in Latam.
18. They don't need to conquer Argentina just destroy economic assets, airports, refineries, ports ect. It would trash your economy and destabilize the country and there is nothing CFK could do about it. They do not need an aircraft carrier to do take out those assets.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think Chile or Brazil will get involved? No way. If you antagonize something enough eventually there will be a response. It would be fun to watch ad I would love to see RGs humiliated again....
@21 So killing thousands of civilians in Iraq, starving the cuban population to death, removing the natives from Diego Garcia against their will... that is fine but barring fishing ports of an island under disputed territory is “arrogance”?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21 Lol, the irony.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This man sounds like the mexican freddyboy who changed his nickname due constant humilliation.
Please send 3 subs-
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Latinamerican block will love you!
Remember next 25-26 January--try to use LAN fligths very hard rigth know, because will be finisehd ;) soooooon
Keep spending money of british people ;)
And then send U2 again, we can afford them !!
@21Yankeeboy: If you destroy economy of Argentina, you destroy all investment of Brasil, Chile, even european companies-
Please try whit the blue pill-
You don´t have any idea about what is Mercosur-Unasur agreement- you are a desk terrorist!!!!
Pleas etry to know more before write-
Regards--
22. It's arrogant because you can't back up your threats. What are you going to use your 60 year old jets to defend the coastline?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants and it will be that way until long after you are dead.
24. Are you going to use the standing Mercosur and Unasur military to help you defend your country? Who will mobilize to protect Argentina? The vast armies of Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay?
You will cower and shake just like the weak and cowardly people you are.
I don't believe for a moment that the British will start a war with Argentina. I think Argentina would love that because then they could cry 'victim' and other SoAm countries would be obliged to defend them. It will never happen.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, if Argentina continues illegal tactics against a small community, they will soon see any real support disappear. CFK should stop taking instructions from Hugo Chavez. He will talk her into overplaying her hand because what does he care? He will be dead in six months.
I could have some respect for CFK if she did not allow herself to be the puppet of bullying men with egos the size of planets.
Elaine, the Falklands doesn´t have any reason, just for UK power on South A that Chile is perjudicated of this power. ]You, as a part of militar and geopolitical strategies, for this reason, you, as a person, will be perjudicated. The world is changing and you have the flight connection thanks to Argentina.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 What? You think Falkland Islanders have no reason to exist? We are talking about their right to live in peace on their land.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LAN Chile fly to TFIs, no thanks to Argentina.
Yeah Kipling, stick to baking cakes.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, you shouldn´t lie to yourself.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This has been reported in today's issue of Uruguay's main national daily 'El Pais', and at this time there are 106 comments on the article from readers. About 70% are making jokes about the Argentinian navy being afraid to put to sea, as in 1982.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 31 and yet another dinosaur living in 1982. When things gets sticky here, in Uruguay too. Get your popcorn ready, funny things are gonna happen :)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wait in peace, but just in UK
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 ? You make no sense at all.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@26
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't believe for a moment that the British will start a war with Argentina... I don't think so either but the submarine is already in place way before “somebody” suggests anything , right?
@ 35 Year 2012 will be a bloody good year for CFK, she'll enjoy it. I'm drooling excessively because of the smell of blood, like Count Dracula :P
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy, you are the poor idiot who don´t understand our latinamerican world-
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no intentions to start ANY war-
Argentina can´t support any war against UK-
We always prefer peace ;)-
But if the full block Mercosur opinions era very different things-
Rigth know, Mr. Piñera, President of Chile & CELAC, is talking whit Ban Ki Moon for starting conversations whit british about Malvinas-
And Argentina will put an ambassador this years on UK-
Do you understand?
Regardss
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-time-to-talk-about-the-falklands-6280282.html
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Time to talk about the Falklands”.
Some one is hearing the message in piratland :)
Elaine, you don´t understand that the Argentina Malvinas right is not new. Therefore, this kind of situation will be for a long, long time. Maybe for centuries, and... now ...it is not good moment for UK, but it is so good for our land. You don´t know our feeling and this is the question.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is time to defuse the situation. Last year, Hillary Clinton suggested she broker talks between Britain and Argentina. We should take her up on the offer.”
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-time-to-talk-about-the-falklands-6280282.html
This is what your own mainstream Press is saying.
I am beginning to feel a little sorry for the British patriots that troll this forum with their nationalist sentiment and flag waving and threats to nuke BA...but the truth is amigos - the Great Britain of 1982 is but a memory now thanks to Mr. Blair. You are finished.
The Islanders hold an Ace card in any negotiation to resolve this growing crisis. They will keep their autonomy, they will keep their islands and they will get rich.
But that window of opportunity will rapidly dissipate once that Oil starts coming out of the ground and the whole of South America watches it being shipped north.
To all the Argie bloggers.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really think the UK will start a war?: NO YOU DO NOT
If the UK respond to an act of agression against the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) by Argentina, do you think you will get the shit kicked out of you?: YES, YOU DO.
Where are our nuclear subs?: YOU DO NOT KNOW
The ICJ is the only hope for Argentina to prove it's case: but it will not do that, why? CFK KNOWS it will be dismissed because the Islanders wishes come first.
End of story: now you can bleat and cry and protest all you loosers want to, it will not make any difference.
We are preparing to fight. Always!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 Kipling (#) Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:49 pm Report abuse
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are preparing to fight. Always!
So sad...lols
I don't know if a submarine 'blockade' of Buenos Aires is sensible but it is an option. Though there is a distinct difference of the public's threat-perception between overt threat (surface) and covert threat (sub-marine), the politicians and the military understand a covert blockade for what it is *and what it means*.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, anyway, what would be the point?
Argentina is collapsing through inflation and monetary-flight; all that needs to be done is to ensure through the back-channels that none of the 'western' monetary support agencies come to Argentina's aid.
It could be argued that this is already taking place.
If this is the case, or becomes the case, China will take a big bite out of Argentina, perhaps taking a majority share in the economy, displacing Venezuela as the 'hand of control' - but when you come to think of it, this could be a faster route to modernisation for this worryingly under-achieving country.
If a country can't manage its own affairs, why not invite in agencies and countries that can run you better?
Independent UK
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is time to defuse the situation. Last year, Hillary Clinton suggested she broker talks between Britain and Argentina. We should take her up on the offer”
Yep, I think you should..
44 GeoffWard2
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliantly put, China is always waitning for the time to strike, but it would drag them kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
@2 Is that supposed to be a comment? Seems more like you have a stutter. Not a good idea when you are a pr*ck! You should try for self-improvement. Like forcing your pr*ck up your a*se. Don't forget to flatten your b*lls with a sledgehammer.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no Malvinas. We need to bring you back to the real world. Look on the bright side. 40 million corpses is not really a BIG price.
47 I know you .... , you have many sexual problems. I recommen you to visit Rio.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 GeoffWard2 (#) Dec 22nd, 2011 - 06:12 pm Report abuse
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if a submarine 'blockade' of Buenos Aires is sensible but it is an option. Though there is a distinct difference of the public's threat-perception between overt threat (surface) and covert threat (sub-marine), the politicians and the military understand a covert blockade for what it is *and what it means*.
You are as dumb as the rest of the chavs in here Geoff but then why are we surprised.
Blockade any South American port with nuclear submarines and you will have immediate intervention by the USA and the USA will take such action in order to avoid South America - particularly Argentina - inviting China to protect it's interests in this country.
Nuclear submarines are not difficult to destroy geoff when they are operating in shallow coastal waters but you don't seem to know that either but then you - like the rest of your retarded compatriots - have obviously recognised the fact that you have nothing else BUT those Subs to express your power.
By the way - Argentina has Aegis and if you know anything about anti-submarine warfare you know how effective that system is, so go ahead - deploy your subs off the Rio Plata and see what happens to them.
As for the rest of your datribe I suggest you look at what's happening in your own backyard first - the collapse of Europe and your welfare system in Britain.
1 Think. you said..Please do :-), ha,ha
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ability pirates and ”bullying tactics from UK, without words! brits in this way is becoming increasingly isolated from the world and soon with the english flag on their ships will not be able to enter the ports of Mercosur, total rejection of these pirates in the islands! I think it is going to be a hard winter for you!!
what the former 1st Sea Lord actually said was, as british nuclear subs are very often in the area it may be a good idea if they surface once in a while and show they are there, so that the current argy goverment did not repeat past mistakes & think the British would not fight for the Islands.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is probably neither side wants a war, but the danger is that escalating provocation inevitably gets a responce, and the situation then takes on a life of its own. Cfk is talking Argentina into another if not conflict, then military confrontation, of course its not her blood that will be spilled. But it will be someones.
and who in the hell is going to fight for her?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please, Conqueror, for your Mental Health http://f5.folha.uol.com.br/celebridades/1025156-juju-salimeni-publica-fotos-das-ferias-no-caribe.shtml I wait that it don´t compromise your victorians manners.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be delighted to see the City send their nuclear sub it would be great propaganda but they wont,1 because Obama will tell them not to and 2 they can hardly run the things anymore.Anyone with doubts on this should read todays Irish Times where Mark Hennesseys letter from London describes a situation of almost Dickensian tragedy.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The next thread in the tightening will be CFKs january visit to Santiago.Lan are desperate to get into booming Buenos Aires long haul flights which Cristina might want to open up if of course Lan only fly to places who are friendly with Argentina.
When you read the Independents editorial today(close to the city)looking for negotiations to begin you can see that talks wont be long in starting as the English situation is absolutely chronic.
They cant heat or feed many of their own people with riots a serious concern in the new year,the outgoing chief of the civil service tells the ultra right Telegraph the UK is on the verge of break up and they are horribly isolated in Europe,irrelevant to Washington with an economy heading into recession again.
after the Chileans pull the plug the City will offer negotiations quickly.
Argentina should put strict time limits on these as they will do everything to draw them out if the blockade is in any way lifted.
Nuclear intimidation will only encourage non-nuclear armed countries to upgrade their nuclear programs - supposing that they can. And Argentina can. Hasn't the UK learned that from post-Iraq War events?
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0dreyfoss (#49)
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re. GeoffWard2 (#44) “I don't know if a submarine 'blockade' of Buenos Aires is sensible but . . . . the politicians and the military understand a covert blockade for what it is *and what it means*.”
You say:
“Blockade any South American port with nuclear submarines and you will have immediate intervention by the USA . . . . Nuclear submarines are not difficult to destroy. . . . deploy your subs off the Rio Plata and see what happens to them.”
I respond:
Recollect that I made no mention of nuclear powered or weaponed vessels,
and that I argued that it was, in any case, unnecessary, as Argentina is doing a satisfactory job of destroying itself. A B.A. blockade may serve simply to dissuade Argentina from, once more, ‘externalising’ her demise into the South Atlantic.
I think you may be responding to my little tease that if you can’t satisfactorily manage your own affairs, there are others who might manage them for you, and do it better.
@ 56 “if you can’t satisfactorily manage your own affairs, there are others who might manage them for you, and do it better.” Who is against that? It's perfect!
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0QUOTE
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“By the way - Argentina has Aegis and if you know anything about anti-submarine warfare you know how effective that system is, so go ahead - deploy your subs off the Rio Plata and see what happens to them.”
And I would be worried, if:
A) Argentinas warships actually carried the Aegis system (they don't, check out Janes or combat fleets of the world)
or
B) Aegis was an ASW system - when in fact it is a system used for area air defence.
Argentine surface vessels would be very vulnerable to attack by RN submarines if war was to break out.
All of those in the South American community on this thread who are puffing themselves up with aggression and hatred had better remember that once you go into armed conflict, all bets are off. The butchers bill would be high for both sides, and despite Argentine protestations to the contrary, we can reach targets in mainland argentina, like airbases and infrastructure (such as power stations) via cruise missile.
I hope that level heads prevail and that this conflict remains as a cold war.
Don't get me wrong, I hate Argentina and consider its' people to be enemies, because you're a major threat to the lives and freedom of british people. The constant aggression by the CFK govt, echoed by the Argentine posters here convinces me that you would attack us if you think you could get away with it.
I don't want another war. Our countries are already under the hammer from the financial crises, we've both got too much on our hands.
Do you really want to see dead Falklanders (including young children) being pulled from their homes following FAA airstrikes, or drowning men covered with oil, struggling to get into lifeboats in the South Atlantic. Would you like to see the coffins of young soldiers draped in the colours while the relatives weep. If so, carry on the way you are and you will get your wish.
You might not it so much fun then................
For most of the Falkland war there was a British Nuclear sub lying on the bottom of the river plate waiting to sink the aircraft carrier the 25th of may, if it tried to leave ba harbour. Today they would not bother with this as the subs have underwater launched cruse missiles. There will be no negotiations, its only going one way.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why can't Britons just stay in Great Britain.
Dec 22nd, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always messing around in other corners of the globe and neighboring countries.
The empire is gone. Give up the colonist mentality. World control is no longer even a distant possibility. Stop trying to color the map red.
Stop causing hassle around the world with these sham territories and faux-democracy state-lets.
It is very clear that Falkland Islands are Argentinian. Studying a little of history and geography, is enough to realize of that. Of course, in the world some countries believe that have good reasons to steal territories (England) but really only have the military power to impose their interests.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the world know this true, including the england people.
These Argies are so thick, they don’t even know what they are doing, and worse still, they have no clue as to the consequences of their actions,
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still stupidity breeds ignorance .
So keep laughing children, as your toys may well be taken away from you,
As for your glorious leader, she will push once to often,
For the sake of the innocent, lets hope she wakes up from her deluded dreams .
We do stay in Great Britain' territory. We are an Island race. We are on Islands everywhere :-)
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Lord Ton-
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus British! do not even mention it. Haven tyou see what hd happend to ISLAND around the world...lately???Tzunamis.... and so on ... hhhh if I were you, i change my nationality and move Argentina hhhhhh there´s enough food,supplies, land.... ASADO, good Football players and the best women in the whole world!!!! xxxx
Dear Lord Adam William West, jolly good wheeze what!? Get the British Government to sign a requesition for a couple of hundred milloin pounds worth of war machinary, ordnance, supplies. Then orff for a super-spiffing jaunt doyne to the South Atlantic and turn it all into iron-oxide reef building materials for the Argentinian fishies. Why not add in the rotting corpses of the sons of England to keep them well fed whilst you're at it!? (Oh woops, that was already part of the plan what!?) Of course the couple of thousand Kelpers who decided to live on t'other side of the world from dear old Blighty and still demand her protection won't get involved, they won't even cough up a brass farthing for the cost of it either.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good luck with the rest of your career after its all over.
heyyyy!!! at least there is Genius in here! Congrtuations @admiral-Lord Guffbuster :))
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you don t mind, Id like to add a comment to the last line that u hv written : ”Good luck with the rest of your career after its all over..... and after your exil... errr retirement, you can jointhe gruop of members of the HMS Antilope and play chess with them......... OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(65) Admiral-Lord Guffbuster III
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I really like your British irony, bordering on sarcasm....
Especially the bit about the Kelpers;-)
Please keep on posting!
Still chuckling
El Think
In the Great Britain, retired First Sea Lords are used politically to speak the unspeakable and say the unsayable.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0We listen when they speak publically and 'on the record', because they by-pass the conventional delicacies of employed politicians and the military.
They pass messages of 'home truths' to both their own government and to their government's enemies.
geoffrey you have been speaking Portuguese or Spanish too long we dont need THE
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0apart from that really the gobblythegook of an old finished over the top bankrupt old power is if not sad just pathetic
69 Ogaga
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can we have the other person back who carries the Ogaga tag because we can't understand WTF you are saying.
May I suggest you take further English lessons (inc. grammar) and perhaps a few typing lessons as well to find the space bar, comma, etc. :o)
Christy i didnt think for a moment you would understand anything about the definite article.Sorry amigo this post wasnt meant for you please go back to the Sun its a little less challengeing
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 060 Destiny - The Falklands are part of Britian, a self governing part. The Spanish empire ended 200 years ago, but you argys are still there, you did not go anywhere. The British were in the south atlantic when ba was part of the Governate of the river plate, vice royalty of peru. The Kelpers have as much right to be there, as creols have to be in ba, and more right to be there than argys in patagonia. Truth is you have run ot of south america to steal from the indians, and are now trying to steal the south alantic from the British. The difference is the British have more than just bows and arrows with which to defend their territory.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I see it, hawks of all kinds fly high here without realising that their opinions, bad or good as they might be, are irrelevant to decisions by their respective governments.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Governments use these issues to prop up their credibility and increase the chance of staing in power, while both the military and the politicians dream with the honours they may get from a war and, probably, also a subtantial increase their bank accounts.
They don't mind that there'll be dead and maimed in combat and desperation and sadness at the dead or maimed troops' homes.
So, kindly stop the nonsense and giving ideas to the merchants of death who scrutinise these blogs.
These are times of reconciliation and love. Christmas, Hannukah, whatever you may call it, should enter your hearts and call it a day.
Our 1982 tears have dried since, but we will never forget how our young were pushed into a stupid war by stupid military and politicians from both sides.
None of us in the mainstream should take sides leading to war. Instead we must work together for a peaceful solution, even if it takes a thousand years or more.
Merry Christmas!
Felice Natividad Compadre
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right, Argie, that these blog postings are scrutinised and individuals 'flagged' by the appropriate agencies. I try to adopt a 'thoughtful' position when posting, but sometimes I tease those I know are robust, and try to defuse those that are clearly OTT or unstable (usually temporarily 'excessive' through imbibition).
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But there comes a point when the signals from governments themselves become unacceptibly bellicose. Then I fell 'duty-bound' to respond strongly - knowing that only well argued, strongly worded postings will make it to the daily print-out that lands on the civil servant's desk in the appropriate ministry. I live in hope that at least some of my postings get the highlighter treatment for ministerial perousal.
In personal terms, when my sons were bullied beyond the point where it was acceptible playground high spirits, I invested a lot of time and money on Shotokan karate, on boxing lessons and the less publicised self defense lessons. A decade or so on, both the smaller son and the substantially larger son are able to defend themselves, and to disable or kill as necessary, with their bare hands and with a range of 'weapons'.
Neither has been, or wants to be, in THE (#69 ;) military; they just want to defend themselves - and hopefully, their aging dad.
Even now certain adult ex-schoolboys choose to cross to the other side of the road when either son passes by. Bullys need to be brought up short - fast, hard and painfully. They need to *know* that their bullying, bellicose days are over.
And as my bigger son says - if there are a lot of them and they box you into a corner, get fighting mad, and never go down.
Having said all this - peaceful solution are best.
Merry Christmas, Argie, Pugol, and all!
75 GeoffWard2
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously a good dad.
My uncle (an ex 42 Commando) taught me something else about bullies. As long as you can take their blows without minding the pain, you CAN always KILL them. I would have thought Argentina might have remembered that lesson: perhaps, when it comes to it, they will.
@76
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you mentioned commandos, in a recent conversation with my two Texan kids about who were the best special forces in the world , their answer was the SAS and I said what ???? I was expecting (wishing maybe ) that the answer was going to be either : 1. the green berets (americans) of the argentine commandos ..... wtf man!!! :-)))
what a pity.
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 comments are written in vain here,
this article denied from other article “” UK defence denies London Press Rumours of a Malvinas military back up “”
i see all these posters are well deceived here , shame on you .
ed - could you clarify what you are trying to say
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So manny efforts for the UK to defend the “self-determination” of 3,500 people. Who can believe this?
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK, guilty of so many wars and crimes.... FUNNY...
It is obvious that the interests are not those.
@79
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought mine, was a funny story !
Amigos (#)79- (#)81
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I talk about fake stories.
For all I see there are many bombarded articles after Uruguay step.
I sense British have a panic.Poor men they lost their minds.
Oh well, Merry Christmas everybody !!!
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 Artillero601
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, your kids are spot on. The SAS are the best murderers a government can have. And I say that with the greatest respect, admiration, grattitude and patriotic fervour possible.
They are always kept in the background and not 'wasted' on supporting ordinary forces, except where they are deployed in the field well before the main troops get there.
They NEVER take prisoners in the ordinary sense of the term. They may well capture a small number of the 'enemy' for intel purposes but that is all. These people would never be seen again unless it suited the government.
Fearless does not feature in it. They are recruited from the 'normal' special forces after the most rigorous tests imaginable and they are always over suscribed.
If ever we let them loose on the Argentina mainland you would never know what they were doing, until certain 'key' figures went missing.
As far as I can remember they have never failed their country. Superb body of people.
(77) Artillero601
Dec 23rd, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My very “personal” and “subjective” list of the best oldies………..
40´s: 5 Wiking
50’s: 3e REI
60’s: 506th Currahee
70’s: Selous Scouts
All of them……......... losers at the end……
RE #16
Dec 24th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that beautiful good, ship HMS Illustrious could be sent on a “training cruise” instead, to celebrate Argentina's “white flag day”, it would be great!
Philippe
Apparantly
Dec 24th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is in consultation with [air fix]
For 3 carriers, 5 destroyers and a frigid frigate .
To be delivered in time for their celebrations in may,
This may be a case of plastic buying plastic,
Carry on .
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87 Briton
Dec 24th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you have excelled yourself with this post.
You will have to forgive me as I feel an Argie moment coming on!
Ha, Ha, Ha, :o)
thanks
Dec 25th, 2011 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please read NO PICNIC again-
Dec 25th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regards-
Thanks for the recommendation I have'nt read that one, yet.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for thinks comment 85, well I suppose you could add the Buzo Tactico to that list if the criteria was that they were on the losing side in a war that has actually been fought.
War is never a picnic, and the more agressive Argentine posters here would do well to remember it. I don't underestimate what you lot could do if you used your special forces (like the Buzo Tactico) for raiding in a future conflict. You had better not do the same about our troops. You had enough trouble dealing with a small Garrison in 1982. We are far more heavily entrenched today.
I don't want another conflict and if you had any sense, you would'nt either. You can't gaurantee victory.
Britian spends about 60 bn usd on defence a year, argentina 3 bn usd. Go figure.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 092 Pugol-H
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now be fair to the poor sad, demented Argies: this coming year they are budgetting a whole US$5 Bn on 'defence' AND they are going to prepare for an nuclear submarine!!
Impressive eh? Until you realise the Wop 'defense minister' (what a joke) is really talking about dumping the old subs, still on wood blocks from '82, and sweeping the yard out in readiness.
You couldn't make this up - unless you an Argie. :o)
yankeeboy, return to yankeeland or disneyland, Brazil is the firs aliated of Argentina from history, you no need to opinate about our conflicts, China is supporting us to, as Venezuela with Russian weapons and more ...
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 Bn! of which how much gets there.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Russian weapons like Saddam had.
95 Pugol-H
Dec 26th, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Wop has had his cut, who knows?
Saddam did have some real soldiers.
The Argies used poor conscripts bullied by their own officers who made the mistake of thinking the massive numbers would overcome real fighting ability and fearlessness.
I personally do not really believe it will come to an armed conflict because the Argie forces are very much weakened since '82. Old Turkey neck cannot risk having a strong military with good leadership because they would chuck her and her money grabbing thugs out of the country or even execute them.
@96
Dec 26th, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saddam did have some real soldiers ... and where were they? At $250,000 a General , they let the Americans “walk in” Baghdad with no problems
Artillero601
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Proof please!
Koff Spk Sht
Dec 26th, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Donald Rumsfeld said that on record many times on TV interviews , it's a matter of getting the transcript. I'm not making this up brother.
PETER PRESTON, THE GUARDIAN, UK: “IT MAKES NO ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SENSE TO HANG ON TO THE FALKLANDS, BUT NO ONE WILL FACE THE TRUTH”
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE: www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
@98
Dec 27th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought that was common knowledge
#101 Cero
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How appropriate that it should be 101!
Preston's short article : [www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina]
is under-researched and a dated embarrasment of a hastely one-dimensional (financial) argument.
The hundreds of comments it elicited might have given him a warm feeling, except that vast majority - Guardian readers themselves - posted comment on his naivete.
The comments make interesting reading themselves for veteran Mercopressers. They give insight into the lack of accurate information and knowledge about the Southern Cone and Southern Atlantic that we take for granted.
Do you always believe what you read, or interpret
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0[Remember that piece of paper][peace in our time]
If you give in to all bullies, because it might cost to much, or some one might get hurt,
Then you might as well commit suicide, now,
Appeasers always end up with nothing .
It is sad to think war of the speck of land but the principled here is freedom not just for them the UK but for every small country in the world cause if we allow Argentina and her bulling ways to win. God help Britain for one as we will be living in a different world everybody would see it as free for all, and more wars will spring up of land. Here it is about a abandon speck of land that Spain did not use the Argentinians not use and now as resources like oil as be mentioned the bully's have tried to flex their muscles there nothing their but the people working hard to survive ok modern living as arrived but not if the Argentina carries on with illegal blockade I say be frank with Argentina state if any illegal activity against the Falkland Isles they have constituted a act of war send the nuclear submarine see what happens. THE BULL'S
Dec 28th, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0100 Artillero601
Dec 28th, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Donald Rumsfeld said that on record many times on TV interviews”
He said a lot of things on the TV, BUT his veracity is sadly in question.
It is like Old Turkey Neck and all the tears and loss of temper: what can you believe? Very little I am afraid and even less now the 'Media Bill' has come into law.
@106
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“his veracity is sadly in question...” from the former Secretary of Defense? Well? may be you are right. The excuse to go to war were from Nuclear weapons, WMD's, links to Al Qaeda and planning the 9-11 attack. If GW lied about the reasons to go to war, anything else you like you say is bullshit.
On my end , I don't have a reason to lie. I saw the interview and that's about it. Now, paying the Republican Guard Generals to avoid casualties on my side, it's not a bad idea after all . Obviously the American superiority was overwhelming, the rest is subject for debate.
105 Ozzyobe
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said. The reason I oppose Argentina is exactly that. Once one country has been allowed to use force to steal land, it would become a free for all. Thats' why china supports Argentina, to legitimise their pressure against Taiwan.
If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? For my part I'm from the UK, central England to be more exact.
Slagging each other of, won’t achieve nothing,
Dec 29th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This may well suit the Argies better, as it absolves their arguments by watering ours down,
The fact is, it does not matter how long they have claimed [what is clearly not theirs]
They had no excuse under the sun, to invade a defenceless, little unarmed island,
Without provocation,
Thus are directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people,
Yet despite this, [and their refusal to apologise] they still, even to day, without justification, abuse threatened intimidate blockade the islands, then have the Gaul to say, you belong to them,
This is in effect nothing more than indoctrination and brain washing, to try and turn the islanders against the British, by promising a luxury lifestyle,
// for if they really wanted you lot, they would be treating you like royally and doing everything they could, to help you,
But alas I think all they want, is the wealth, that lies under and just off your coast,
They will move in hundreds of argentine citizens, so as to out number you, then with a majority, change everything, that you hold dear, then make life totally anti British, so you will leave.
She knows as long as she keeps on pushing, their can only be one likely outcome,
But being obsessed and in denial she thinks we will just crack, and hand them over,
But she keeps forgetting, we are not a 3rd world defenceless nation,
We can and we will fight for them, the decisions she makes, will have severe consequences for all.
Just an interesting thought .
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