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HMS Montrose: Argentina thanks Humala; Peruvian opposition calls minister “incompetent and foolish”
During a live press conference on Tuesday, Argentine President Cristina Fernández thanked “the Peruvian government and population” for their decision to leave without effect the scheduled, but controversial, visit of a British frigate “in support of the Argentine sovereignty claim over the Malvinas Islands.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNow i am pissing myself laughing!!!!!!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0look what that mad old cow has done to her buddies position
“We have no problems here, and we don’t want anything to do with war [LIES]. The world is militarized enough as it is now, with some of the world powers murdering entire civilizations. We want to keep our distance from that [LIES],” she LIED as the audience applauded.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't sound like 1982 when they invaded the Falklands, millions of Argentinians lined the streets in support of the war-mongering and completely ignored UN demands to leave the islands.
Actions speak louder than words argies.... actions speak louder than words.
Argentina has become (sadly) a joke country that nobody serious trusts or believes and it looks like they are dragging other Latam countries down the same route. As they say 'give them enough rope'!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the saying in those parts is 'Argentina is like rape; if you cannot do anything about it, you might as well enjoy it'.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you say it's a joke country, and yet Peru seems to try very very hard to make it's Argentinians masters happy.
Hey guys....Guys!!!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's the difference between a piece of toast and Argentina?
You can make Soldiers out of a piece of toast!!
RG land now starting to cause internal difficulties for their neighbours. Its evident that the weak willed are being held to account by the opposition in the likes of Peru.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its just a shame that RG land has no opposition and has no shame.
“We want a demilitiarised South Atlantic”...CFK also lays claim to the entire South Atlantic. South Africa might want to say something about that, as well as other nations using their right (not privilege) to the high seas.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Peruvian ministers are upset with the activities of their foreign minister. Peru's name has been dragged through the mud. This minister should be for the chop.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like the Rg govt has their eyes on the Trade Union funds to prop it up this year:
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/95878/whither-economic-strategy-ii
They are basically raiding every cupboard they can and emptying their coin jars to stop the country from economically imploding. However the deeper they get the more people they upset.
@5 Haha, I like that.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7 I noticed that. This new “Argentina owns the South Atlantic” messaging that is coming out of KFCs presidential office is quite interesting.
Does this mean they also think they own Tristan de Cunha? St Helena? Ascension Island? They seem to think that they have some rights in the Atlantic region over and above those who are already Atlantic States, e.g. UK, Ireland, Iceland.
They're clearly expansionist.
@8 That's the famous Peruvian hospitality for you; Invite someone for tea, and then slam the door in their faces.
Peruvian opposition is very very right to say ,the minister is “” incompetent and foolish “”
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peruvian opposition should press more to expel all British from Peru.
a new poll conducted in the UK by the newspaper The Guardian has determined that British people are largely determined to defend the islands.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0However, there is still hope.
A 49 percent of voters aged from 18 to 24 say they support the possibility of a handover, “as opposed to 39 percent who take the contrary view.”
Oh an regarding Peru. Of course, Argentina gets them to do whatever Argentina wants. You see Argentina is a powerhouse in the region (especially our military) and when Argentina tells them to 'jump' they simply ask 'how high?'
@11 Another example of that great Latin American hospitality.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 011 McClick
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look!! McClick is back, how are things in cyberland, you wireheaded, un-emotional, pile of clapped out circuitry??
Hey, I know a ZX81 that could out-whit you in a theological discussion about the meaning of life and and the importance of gravy in every day life....... you up for that??
“with some of the world powers murdering entire civilizations. We want to keep our distance from that,”
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but that statement alone proves just how deluded and mentally retarded CFK is, not to mention how ignorant she is of argentinas own history. Now which country in the world is currently going about killing entire civilisations? Not a single country is doing such a thing at all. Yet we have argentina that want to enforce their will over that of the entire falklands civilisation. Just goes to show what a bunch of mentally deluded and retarded hypocrites the argentine government is.
@ 12 ...@ 14
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0OR... embargo...
16 McClick
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on McClick!! I've just insulted you and that's the best you can come up with? How does my comment make you FEEL?
Are you not enraged by my effrontary?
Do you not feel the urge to tell me to f**k off?
I'm sitting here beside myself, waiting for your next response....
I've just read that Flt Lt Wales RAF has returned home. A significant contribution to the demilitarisation of the South Atlantic, clearly, since his deployment there was declared to be militarisation. Another great success for Argentine diplomacy.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing how such small things upset these fellows. Obviously its disappointing that it was left it to the last minute to cancel the visit but having said that, Argentina constantly bullies poor little Uruguay so why should Peru be any different.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is of course absolutely no chance that the UK will ever allow our brave Falkland Islanders to be bullied.
United Kingdom = GDP - per capita (PPP): $35,082 (2010 est.)
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0People live dignified lives on $35,082 dollars per year.......
Argentina = GDP - per capita (PPP): $14,100 (2010 est.)
People are “muerto de hambre” on $14,100 dollars per year.......
Perú = GDP - per capita (PPP): $5,182 (2010 est.)
People starve like SUDACAS on $5,182 dollars per year.......
Conclusion: Argentina + Perú = SUDACAS MUERTOS DE HAMBRE
And this is how Cristina Kirchner psycho president of Argentina and her cronies get votes:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPC0SD0PGw
William has returned home after his tour in The Falklands. Frau Bitch will probably claim it as a victory.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way she does need to sort her makeup out. The face is the wrong shade compared to her turkey neck.
@20
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GDP figures on their own say nothing. Let me rephrase that, they say very little. You have to combine them with other such as the countries cost of living and purchasing power parity (PPP) for them to have some explanatory consequences.
Otherwise is mere masturbation...
I actually agree Helber, although PPP still isn't a good measure as it doesn't really include a huge amount of other variables that affect living conditions.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To provide a complete picture in a like for like scenario is a exceedingly complex task.
Why was Jeremy Browne not informed? Because the decision had not been made.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again CFK pops up at the last minute and gets her oar in before UK can influence common sense. How many times will South American Presidents be made fools of by succumbing to CFK's persuasion. Then they suffer embarrassment by having to back off, or be challenged by their own people, because they have not thought their actions through.
SA presidents arent fools.....you play the divide and conquer and we know to play it too!! militar and politics
Mar 21st, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Artists intelligents are welcomed!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NmBkYZQdcQ
@22,23 I would agree, but you need to be aware of what you're measuring against. In the case of PPP as with inflation you need to be aware of what is in the basket of goods. Now INDEC have a curious bunch of things in there, which are held at a particular level artificially by the government. The Big Mac index is supposed to ultimately be a measure of PPP but the argentinian government force McDonalds to sell it at over half of its value, just so they can rig the the results.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In summary good idea, but you'd struggle to get PPP for Argentina, the government will be managing the basketed goods.
As an Australian, married to a Chilean, with Falkland Island cousins, and some Argentine friends, I think our fascist Argentinian posters here seem very deluded. Argentinians should be more focused on their own economic and political problems. Seriously, as reported lately in The Economist magazine, the Argie govt is claiming an inflation rate of 9.8% when its between 25-30%. Like in 1982, the Falklands are being used as a distraction from the real problems that should be addressed by CFK's govt. Grow up Argentina, and learn from little brother, Chile, as to how an economy should be managed. As for the Falklands, your claim is foolish grandstanding by a third rate military and economic power...and will it achieve its goal of ever taking back the islands? Not likely.Also, Malvinistas answer this question, why do we hear nothing about French Guiana, a French colony, bordered by Brazil and Surinam as a colonial issue....I dont see Brazil making any wild statements about it.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Diddles
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm with you on this. If the Argentine government would like to stay in power then they should stop whining on about the Falkland Islands and start improving the lot of ordinary Argentinians.
They should be concentratating their efforts on addressing their domestic issues and not hating the rest of the world for a mess of their own making.
@28 They could start by finding out what Maximo's Hitler Youth did with the 90% of $2.4Billion that is still unaccounted for to rejuvenate the Aerolingus Plummet Belgrano Airlines. That $2.1 Billion would sure help out some starving Argentinians right now, given inflation is going up to 35%.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or they could just focus on the Falklands people who are having a nice time.
Brilliant speech by my Queen =) And its so true that they are murdering civilisations, look at Palestine and Iraq, most world leaders don't like to talk about such things even if they are not themselves among the guilty, but my Queen is more courageous and more eloquent. I adore her so much, and so do the masses of the continent, which is probably why all the other the neighbouring leaders increasingly have to take a lead from her =)
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am very proud of the Peruvian people and their government’s attitude, which honours the history of the struggle against colonialism,” stated the Argentine leader.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 01- patronising
2. Hypocrisy and utter stupidity - What is the predominant culture in South America esp in Argentina?! Spanish ie from Europe not indigenous. If she cares so much about colonialism she should be speaking in an Indigenous Language etc etc etc.
“We want a demilitarized South Atlantic,” the Head of State added, as she made a call to all the countries of the region to make efforts to “maintain a joint defence” of the South Atlantic area.
- So she wants it DEmilitarized so Argentina/SA can REmilitarize it. The South Atlantic is NOT South America. Again hypocrisy and utter stupidity.
“We have no problems here, and we don’t want anything to do with war.
- Thats why you keep prodding your sick corrupt finger in the sides of a small but democratic well managed peaceful society.
The world is militarized enough as it is now, with some of the world powers murdering entire civilizations.
Yes and some governments entirely manipulating the poor to buy votes and neglecting the causes of the poverty they live in.
We want to keep our distance from that,” she assured as the audience applauded.
Shes a saleswoman and too many South Americans are buying it.
I find this woman and her clan more nauseating by the day and feel sorry for the average Argentine tho Argentinians now need to take more responsibilty. Quite simply she, her family and cronies are poison to Argentina and should be in jail.
What is at play here is S.American historical geopolitics. Peru actions are a result of the country actually being very concerned about Chile. The U.K. has a long history in Chile and is blamed by Peruvian and Chilean history books as the instigators of the War of the Pacific in 1880, which Chile won.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is also usually at odds with Chile. Nieghbors rarely get along...Britain should know this well.
Peru has had a historicaly good relationship with Argentina in part as a check against Chile and in part because they don't share a border. Peru not allowing the frigate to dock is minor a consession for Peru who are not worried about Argentina and/or the U.K but rather mostly concerned with Chile.
The current political power actually is closer to the UK than Argentina. The president of Peru fought in the War against Ecuador (also a nieghbor) and Argentina (ex-pres. Menem) was found to be selling arms illegaly to Ecuador during the conflict. This is not forgotten by Humala.
Again this move by the Peruvian govt. is just a political play. Don't be surprised if the UK and Peru sign a new trade agreement and pledge further cooperation in the not so distant future.
@30 Are you not in argieland? Hovering around the Casa Rosada so that you can lick her way across the pavement? And probably licking the route her car might take! Surely you could not be in Britain? That happens to have a REAL Queen. Well known for her abilities, her consideration, her dignity, her generosity, her honour, her intelligence, her majesty, her personality, her work ethic. None of which CFK has. Since she is your idol, perhaps you can tell us what has happened to the investigation into the reasons why her personal wealth has multiplied by at least 7 times between 2003 and 2009? Although, with a further 3 years under her belt, it is more likely to be 10 times by now! No more information since December 2009 when the judge that ordered an investigation in the first place, suspended it.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 Rebel
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those GDP figures look interesting. I would say the Falkland ones must be around the same.
Don't forget that Big Macs are much cheaper in Argentina though.
Chuckle chuckle
“I am very proud of the Peruvian people and their government’s attitude, which honours the history of the struggle against colonialism,” stated the Argentine leader.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly bitch.
As well as Big Macs, what are the other retail food items that make up the list used for global food price comparisons? Next time I'm over there I will buy those things to ensure I inflict losses on the stores.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a crazy attempt to exploit the system.
Chuckle chuckle.
From the article it seems one of the 'ministers' overshot his responsibility. Let us hope he pys for it with the sack.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The opposition seem to have the right idea though.
well done Peru!! unity is strength. Let the Montrose go some where else.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your Unity WILL MAKE YOU STRONG. That is something the English know a little about. It is something they call THE COMMONWEATH.
Yes yes Unity will make you strong. Then what?
Mar 21st, 2012 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then LIVE COMFORTABLE! What else??
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neocolonialist Argentina IS NOT oxymoron.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Helber
Mar 21st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”You see Argentina is a powerhouse in the region (especially our military) and when Argentina tells them to 'jump' they simply ask 'how high?'“
I thought South America and the South Atlantic was a military free zone. A zone of peace. So why do you brag about the power of Argentina's military? Especially when you state in such a way that it coerces your neighbours and ”allies” to do something against their will.... sounds like Argentina are the ones who are the ones threatening peace in the region.....
You cannot make Argentine hypocrisy up! Thanks for that Helber, it was a gem. I think you should *face palm* yourself as you have dropped a bit of a clanger.
30 British_Kirchnerist (#) “Brilliant speech by my Queen”
Mar 21st, 2012 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know for a mili second there BK I thought that you actually meant the Head of State of what you lamely claim to be your nation of birth, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, following her address to both Houses of Parliament at Westminster. I think you ought to finally openly accept it is time you depart the shores of the UK and go to your 'queen'. Give up your life and whatever benefits you may have being (if you are telling the truth) a British Citizen and give your physical, financial and emotional support to your country of allegiance - Argentina. Let me know when you leave and I promise I will be there to shake your hand goodbye and wave you off on your plane. :) hoping it would be good bye and not aurevoir !
@12 Helber - They don't fear your military (a pathetic group of cowards). They fear that KFC might go crying to Ecuador, who could very easily annex Peru. You and Pepegaletta (who thinks Argentinian is a race), really do make Argentina the laughing stock of the world. Its like a nation made up of juggling unicycle performers, wheeling around, falling over each other. I love how your president cries until she gets what she wants, like an annoying baby made of plastic. You should consider moving somewhere nicer. Like an active volcano.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Peru. Can you see those things on the end of your legs? They're called feet. You're supposed to stand on them. Unless you're a coward or you've been bought!
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am very proud of the Peruvian people and their government’s attitude”, for inviting the British in the first place.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We want a demilitarized South Atlantic,”
To “maintain a joint defense” of the South Atlantic area”.
“We have no problems here”
“with some of the world powers murdering entire civilizations”.
@42 I was being sarcastic with that comment. Everyone knows that Argentina's military budget has been on a steady decline since '82. In fact, it is the lowest in the region.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote that because there deluded posters he who keep writing that Argentina bullies Uruguay, Peru, Chile and Brazil into adopting policies on Malvinas that suits Argentina. FFS, how can Argentina bully them?
@27 if your basis to criticise Argentina is The Economist, well, then you are literally f***. I mean, there many angles to criticise Argentina, The Economist not being one of them. They have been forecasting since, HEAR THIS, 2004/5 that the sh** would hit the fan in Argentina. So much for a serious journal
@44 in international politics you don't get others to do what you want by crying. If you really think that well, then you are very naive and probably also stupid.
In fact as I have said before, in instances like this,
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t blame CFK or her immortals,
It takes two to tang,
And to be truthful and blunt,
If other leaders in South America are stupid and silly enough to do what CFK tells them to do, regardless of the international consequences,
It is there fault is it not,
If CFK has such a strangle hold over the rest of south America, who’s fault is that,
The other South American countries are big enough and ugly enough to unite together and dump this leech into the gutter.
That’s just my opinion.
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@45 They have feet, the issue is that they have no spine.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 Argentina is pretty good at bullying and crying and whinging... you're right.
@47 - I think KFC would disagree with you there. She has gotten so much just by crying after all. Well, and a couple of “special, private favors” for Hugo Chavez.
Mar 21st, 2012 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 047 Helber Galarga
Mar 21st, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may wish to practice the sarcasm a bit, before trying it again in public.
Just a suggestion.
@51 cheers mate. Next time I'll just finish the phrase with *sarcasm*; some of you aren't the sharpest...
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0anyways, explaining international politics and, in this particular case, Argentina getting other nations such as Chile, Uruguay, Peru and Brazil to support its claim over Malvinas with such variables as whinging and crying is just appalling and lazy! If that is degree of complexity some of you can achieve in explaining foreign policy outcomes well, then...
you clearly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, although you might come in first for being a tool
@52 Just because the prisoners think they should be let out of the prison, doesn't mean you should let them out.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Letting morally corrupt people have what they want just because other morally corrupt people think they should have it, makes sense in Argentina, but nowhere else.
@53 you were one of the ones who was earlier (comment 47) using “crying and whinging” as explanatory causal variable for Argentina's foreign policy outcomes and yet you expect to be taken seriously?
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am all for an interesting and intellectually challenging debate but if you want to take the piss, looks elsewhere mate
@54 Don't feel left out, you're also included in the morally contemptible people I was talking about in @53.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, Argentina's foreign policy seems to involve a bipolar lady throwing her handbag around, slamming the table, ranting down the phone, sociopathic monomania, prevarication about cancelled flights (forgot she told the entire UN GA then claimed she didn't)... combined with a dash presentation amateur, ignorance about technology and fantastical hand waving.
It's just a complete furkshow.
@55
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not only does ”Argentina's foreign policy seems to involve a bipolar lady throwing her handbag around, slamming the table, ranting down the phone, sociopathic monomania, prevarication about cancelled flights (forgot she told the entire UN GA then claimed she didn't)... combined with a dash presentation amateur, ignorance about technology and fantastical hand waving”, with it it get's others such as Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador to support. In others words, is successful. *sarcasm* (in case you miss it dupe)
FFS, the mediocrity here when it comes to critically analyzing foreign policy is beyond me.
@56 Clearly that strategy has garnered the support of Chile, Brazil, Uruguay, Peru, Venezuela, Ecuador to her cause.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0The critical analysis is simply what does that tell you about the quality of those people who were influenced by this amateurish furkshow?
(answer: low)
@57 the misery and poverty of your analytical skills is amazing!
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stick to cultivating Yoghurt, and in your case careful with too much fermenting, given that you are already a bit naive....
Helga galgera -
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am all for an interesting and intellectually challenging debate but if you want to take the piss, looks elsewhere mate
you clearly aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, although you might come in first for being a tool
57 the misery and poverty of your analytical skills is amazing!@44 in international politics you don't get others to do what you want by crying. If you really think that well, then you are very naive and probably also stupid.
Amazing debating skills, you never actually address the subject just fire off statements that dont address the subject in hand. Get over yourself and debate the subject, but i doubt you can beacause if you were half as intelligent as you constantly intermate then you would know all the facts and not spout the argentine reichs propaganda / lies. Now prove to us you are a clever boy or girl and debate the subject.
@58 Okay, Helber Galarga, three easy questions for you:
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) where did the missing money that was given to Maximo's Le Camping really go when it was supposed to buy a new fleet for plummet airlines?
b) what is the reasoning behind the argentinian belief that they own South Georgia and the South Sandwich islands?
c) why does Argentina ignore the UN and ignore the rulings of the ICJ?
If you're so analytically minded then you'll have no problems answering these three simple questions. Ready...ready.. GO!
Peru owned by Argentina.
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any Peruivians on here?
( 60) Yorgo, three easy questions for you :
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) where is the Yadis 's restraurant ( which is the most famous meal)in Athens ?
b) which one do you like more .. playing Sirtaki ? ..comment writing in Internet ..?
c) do you know the names of your grandfather's cousins ?
If you are so real Greek then you'll have no problems answering these three simple questions. Be ready ...COME !
@62 Who said i was Greek?
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56, We're waiting for your responses. Thanks.
@ 63
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell us who are you ? where are you from ? don't be afraid....
We might ask three new questions according to your reply .
I would want to ask GreekYoughurt any three questions too
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 ) When the Youghurt becomes ready after yeasting.?
2 ) What degree Celcius is needed to consist of youghurt ?
3 ) When the Youghurt is watered after produced ?
@52 Helber Galarga
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With respect to Argentina’s diplomacy in the rest of S America.
“Argentina’s approach to other Latin American countries seems a projection of its own domestic politics rather than wooing these countries on their own terms” - BA Herald
This would be my view.
I would add that the important point about HMS Montrose visit, was not that it was cancelled, but that it was going to take place at all.
This and the fact that CFK had to read about it in the BA Herald, says a lot about how informed and effective Argintinian diplomacy is.
As for being a toolie, keep trying and you will soon sharpen up.
But if it’s the truth you want,
Mar 22nd, 2012 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read
http://www.phoenixthinktank.org/2012/02/question-of-the-falkland-islands-uk-response/
Rather than listen to propergander,
Who would you believe?
The British government
Or
The CFK government,
This is the official British reply to the UN .
[all argie bloggers run for the hills .lol
mmm, the ones playing around with propaganda and the media could be the ones governing from London, no?
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does anyone remember REBCCA BRUKES now? I heard she is in jail now because of the “News of the World” SCANDAL ...
Well... Cameron named her husband as a speakerman of his Government. Maybe I am wrong, but this is what has been published...
Who are the ones involved with the dishonest and not transparent media??
It is a shame really reading so many comments from not-informed people...
CFK Government of course has its weaknesses, but it is a democratic government that is all the time discredited for the corporate media (Argentinian and International also) just because this government is changing a little bit society to make it not so unfair...
Just a pity that some people really believes that corporate media and concentrated capital groups are saying the truth and are caring for people's life... a pity...
“mmm, the ones playing around with propaganda and the media could be the ones governing from London, no?” The relationship between the media and the government in the UK is one that is completely under the public spotlight. In Argentina, the government owns the media, Le Campora run the media, and they just print endless bilge about loving KFC.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Who are the ones involved with the dishonest and not transparent media??” Argentina, that's who.
Next question.
Amnesty - Argentina's native population subject to racist violence, discrimination and imprisonment http://laht.com/article.asp?articleid=355829&categoryid=14093
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0this is my cousin Adolfo in London making fun of your stupido english army
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPK1kPWj1E
another child, flippo,
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British ships have been visiting foreign ports since before the time of Nelson. Many of Nelsons contemporaries helped found South American navies, in their wars for indepence. Cochrane for instance, perhaps the greatest frigate captain of his age, I believe some ships and even streets in S America are named after him. Originaly they docked for logistic reasons, fresh water, meat, fruit particularly limes, cordage, wood and in some cases, new hands. British navigational charts are the best in the world, well they would be, given their ships were in all seas and oceans, these charts are today used by most navies, even South American and I suspect the Argentinian navy. Napolean said, “Wherever you see an ocean, their you will see a British of war.” Well those days are long gone. In recent times the vist of a foreign warships to your shores became the sign of friendship. Visiting ships and host navies have exercised together and naval skills shared. Essentialy the visit of a RN ship today is gesture of friendship betwen us and our hosts. So it's sad really that Peru has slapped away the hand of friendship. It is not something that should bother us untoward. After all, our ship would sail, Peru still has to live with her neighbour. As for revisiting, in the unlikely scenario of us being invited, I doubt it. It's expensive to keep a ship of war 8000 miles away from home, they are ther for one reason only in the current climate. There is only one nation to blame for that.
Mar 23rd, 2012 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@73
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you that it is unfortunate other countries in South America are refusing the arrival of British ships because of Argentina. But I'm sure it is only temporary.
If they refuse based on their own reasons that is different, but it shouldn't happen because of foreign pressure.
I personally don't want any foreign warship in Argentina's ports ever, no matter who it is (Brazil, USA, UK, Chile, Uruguay). Warships are warships, and Argetina should never allow them into our waters. But that is only mostly unique to Argentina and we should not force other countries to adopt it under the pretense of showing solidarity to us.
@74 By the Argentinian definition of 'Argentinian Waters' you do of course mean the entire South Atlantic, which Mr. Timmerman and KFC have both been quoted as suggesting belongs to Argentina. So what you're essentially saying is that no warships should exists in the South Atlantic unless they are Argentinian. Which is somehow not militarisation of the South Atlantic?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you say “I agree with you that it is unfortunate other countries in South America are refusing the arrival of British ships because of Argentina. But I'm sure it is only temporary. ” which is in complete contradiction to the Argentinian statements of south american solidarity and your very own constitution that says you will seek to gain the Falklands and some other islands you never visited but claim in perpetuity. So how is this temporary?
Hmm.. make some sense please. We're not asking for much.
I make sense, you are just cortically challenged.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't agree with my government's definition of the Falklands, so yes British ships are all free to sail around in that region.
They are simply not welcomed in our waters or ports, nor are any other warships. They are after all, WARships. Only twisted societies believe that sending one to another's port is a sign of peace. In this area, I think we are right and the rest of the world wrong, for a change.
@71 One thing is defending your right to the Falkands/Malvinas.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another is making fun of a Royal Guard on duty.
If I had been that Royal Guard on duty I would have put the sharp end of my bayonett up the backside of your cousin Adolfo!!
@76 Funny that you focus on FOREIGN 'WAR'ships but your country paints the ARA Saint Belgrano as a 'PEACE'ship that was mulling around in the atlantic firing balls of pixie-dust and nice dreams before it got sunk by a British Submarine.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How you Argtards think is very strange and inconsistent.
Is Peru an actual Nation?
Mar 24th, 2012 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't deserve to be.
It's more of a nation than England is, if we get down to it.
Mar 24th, 2012 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you also believe that all foreign troops and air forces should also be banned from argentines
Mar 24th, 2012 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If so would you not agree then that Argentina should not send her military over seas to anyone or any country,
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The fact will always remain thatbthe Montrose could NOT touch South American ports as South America supports A rgentina's sovereignty. Dont cry over spilt milk Mercorpress and come to terms with reality: truth and justice will always prevail. EXCELLENT JOB ARGENTINA ONCE AGAIN!
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Mar 27th, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well go on, get down to it and I don't mean your boyfriend.
In the meantime is Peru an actual nation and does it deserve that status?
Technically tobias is right, England is not a seperate country, my country of Scotland is part of the same state - and hopefully always will be =)
Mar 27th, 2012 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 084
Mar 28th, 2012 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Technically you are up your own Argentinian arse without a torch.
So shut the f--k up and stop embarrassing yourself.
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